PassThePopcorn or PassTheChildPorn

[Slickerey]

You and pM are of the same caliber in my book.

Technically Azazel was the one distributing the child pornography because he also included the links with the images he provided. Not that they matter or anything (they're surely 404'ed by now), but I'm just stating the facts.

I remember having read a post about him being the one distributing the CP because he posted it on a much larger forum, whereas pedoMax only shared the CP links with a couple of his friends. Shortly put, they both distributed CP.

In my stance, Azazel should be the one getting reported along with pedoMax. Both are guilty.

My two cents.

[DWCreeper167]

Releasing his info would be no different than what the Sex Offenders Registry does.

NNNNNN, you are saying he has done nothing wrong? He posted links to child porn. How is that not wrong? You are staff at PTP and defending him and this is the very reason this has gone so far now because you defend his actions. I mean really, WOW.

By the time the first pic of the Skype chat was posted, the links were reported and removed. I included the disclaimer just to be safe though. I did not and would not distribute anything like this. I’m a parent myself which I guess is why this issue has become such a big deal to me. The main point of including the links in the screenshot was for later reference so that 510chan can be contacted with said links and be able to speak on the validity of them and possibly the actions they took or are taking.

I’ve spoken to a police officer in Maryland and one from VA about this situation and they assured me that with that with his details, something can be done. Having a screenshot or even Skype logs apparently aren’t enough to ensure a conviction. Even if they don’t have enough evidence to prosecute, they have enough to tell his neighbours and others just incase. Obviously not to start violence or anything but to get the word out.

EXodussquared has PM’d me tonight on IRC I guess to resolve this. We spoke for awhile about this entire situation and I have included a paste bin of the entire convo. From this I see that he wants to try and do something now but IMO, it is too late. It has been days now since this has happened and nothing has been done. Maybe the feds can’t do anything but the very least PTP could do is release Spektormax’s details to other trackers and anonymously pass on his personal details to the authorities. Hell, Spektormax is still a member at What.CD and a Torrent Celebrity no less.

Following another thread on FileShareTalk found here https://filesharingtalk.com/vb3/f-bit...ildporn-403539 I hope you guys will see the attitude of PTP staff regarding this. 312c who is a PTP staff member has done nothing but preach on how legal the actions of Spektormax was. NNNNNN another PTP staff member has outright defended Spektormax and said “he has done nothing wrong” . Them along with other PTP staff members have tried to spread lies about me to take attention off of the main fact that Spektormax posted child porn and they have done nothing about it.

Convo between myself and Exodussquared tonight
http://pastebin.org/130868

Pic of NNNNNN a PTP staff member defending Spektormax


PTP staff continue to claim it is just Spektormax and that PTP is not involved in any way and they don’t defend his actions but obviously with their attitude and one of them actually saying “he has done nothing wrong”, it’s all a cover for them.

You folks can do what you wish but I wouldn’t be caught dead on a site of any kind where the staff think so lightly of child pornography. There are other trackers out there folks, don’t forget.

[TehMeph]

I didn't want to post in this thread because I'm affiliated with another site and I don't want to drag them and that site into this. That said, what I say represents me, and only me, and does not at all reflect the beliefs or stance of the site.

While it is true that there is recent precedent that establishes browser cached images do not constitute child pornography, spreading links to such pictures is still a Class C federal felony in the United States. By posting the links in the Skype conversation, spektormax became a felon and by distributing screenshots of said links, Azazel did too. The short and skinny of the matter is that Skype does indeed centrally log every IM on the site and a call/email from law enforcement would turn up those logs and give them the probably cause a simple tip off would not. Whether the law enforcement found anything or not when they got to his house (and by now I imagine all of his hard drives have met the microwave), he's still guilty, without a shadow of a doubt, of distribution of child pornography. A lot of people in this thread, and others elsewhere, are fond of saying that spektormax isn't guilty because he wasn't involved in the hosting or manufacturing of those images (may I also mention that 510chan did what they are legally obligated to do and removed the images as soon as they were notified, they are not at fault any more than imageshack would be if someone uploaded such filth there) but he's not simply a consumer. He was distributing the images, for whatever reason, and that moves him only just slightly below those that manufacture the images, both morally and legally.

As far as Azazel is concerned, I have never said anything to the fellow and I can't speak to his motives. What I can comment on is that those of us unfortunate to have lived and experienced this level of exploitation in our personal lives can understand an immediate and irrational backlash, especially when met with the frustration of meeting a brick wall attempt to hide and ignore these actions. I don't think Azazel handled this as perfectly as he could have, but who's to say that he was in a mental or emotional state to think clearly? I know that, when presented with this disgusting filth (because of my own personal experiences) I am prone to fits of irrational rage and anger, which is common in people in similar situations. I'm not trying to be apologetic for the way he's carried himself, but this sudden condemnation of the whistleblower speaks more about this community and its ability to think single-sidedly about an issue than anyone probably realizes.

In regards to PtP staff behavior, there's no excuse. When approached with the evidence, the initial reaction was to cover up and pretend nothing happened. I understand, being in the position that I am in, that they wouldn't want to put their tracker under legal pressure, but that's not to say they couldn't have taken the site down before reporting the fucker to the police. I would do no less if I found a staff member of mine was such a pervert and it speaks loudly to their cowardice that they will not take the proper measures to deal with this situation. Furthermore, the quickness of their reaction and how quickly they went into "damage control" mode implies, at the very least, that this is not a solitary occurence. Certainly given the callousness that defines their reply, I can't bring myself to believe that it is; having spent an extensive amount of time dealing with this level of perversion, one thing that I have learned is that child pornographers are so very hard to catch because they tend to only share their "collections" with people they feel are trustworthy because they know the legal risks their activities entail. I find it hard to believe that he would casually post images like that in a group conversation unless that trust was already earned, which, once again, implies that this isn't the first time that this has happened.

And finally, about spektormax's "disabling" at PtP. I can think of exactly 0 staff members on ANY tracker that have but one single account. There are too many logistic and entertaining reasons to have several, so disabling the accoung with the name spektormax will accomplish nothing other than to save face with those dumb enough to let the wool be pulled over their eyes. Furthermore, as a founder that has spent serious time with the site since before the site was born, he's guaranteed to continue to have server access. I know for sure that pham still does, and he voluntarily left the organization a long time ago. Spektormax's banning is nothing more than a weak attempt to save face by a group of children that are too cowardly to do the right thing in this dire situation.

Like I said, my feeling reflect only myself and are seated in a history too ugly and personal to get into and I don't want anyone to think that they reflect the opinions of my site or her staff. I want to end on a pleading note, as a victim, that the staff of PtP step up and do what everyone knows is the right thing to do here.

Thanks,
meph

[Six66Mike]

The law - http://www.justice.gov/criminal/ceos...uide_porn.html

Simply downloading the image is illegal, and surprise when you load a web page you have downloaded the material. It's also illegal to send child porn in an email I would wager my annual salary that sharing a link in a chat conversation is equivalent to emailing the image. The outcome is identical, child porn is spread.

So both Max & Azazel should be reported to the police. Your claims about warrants are baseless, police setup stings and monitor suspected pedophiles all the time. You don't need to bust down doors and raid the house, there's more than enough to justify a monitoring operation to see if this was a one off let's get a reaction thing or if he does actually have a computer full of porn.

Let the cops decide. Report them both.

[pro267]

Well said meph, finally a post in this entire soap opera of a thread I can relate to.
Plus won.

[Tv Controls you]

You guys who are throwing these laws around are missing the point...

Its beyond illegal, its just morally wrong and sickening.

[Quarterquack]

Wait wait, someone said it was legal to redistribute child pornography? How did I miss that joke, surely whoever said it (nnnnn or whoever) wasn't being serious about knowing anything related to said laws, right?

[glados]

+1 to TehMeph's post... by far the most reasonable post in this whole thread.

nobody was required to do anything by law and within the scope of the skype conversation nothing illegal was done.

dude really? I mean really? He didn't upload the pictures nor does he own the 510chan place where it was hosted. He has done nothing wrong.

To both of you PTP staff, I honestly hope you're only joking.

Child porn links were being distributed. That by itself is a felony, just like murder. If you have witnessed such felony and have not reported it, you are in fact an accomplice.

The PTP staff in that Skype convo (ExudosSqaured and z/jerrcs) have CLEARLY done absolutely nothing about it... you can notice in the screenshot that they continued sharing chan links, even about 5 minutes after child porn was posted.

The stance that PTP staff have decided to take by defending Spektormax and saying he's done nothing wrong is as disgusting as the act itself.

"he has done nothing wrong", despite the seriousness of the situation, all I can respond to that statement is "lol?"

You have just clearly proved what PTP staff are really made off. Please continue blindly defending that pedophile and your site, and attacking the OP for bringing attention to this issue (which is the correct thing to do). you sirs are only making yourself look just plain stupid.

Any PassThePopcorn member/staff with a little bit of common sense would leave PTP immediately. In fact, the right thing for PTP sysops/staff to do right now is to shut down PassThePopcorn indefinitely, instead of trying to defend spektormax and/or the site. Nobody wants to be a part of a movie-torrent site that is suspected to be a disguised front for child porn distribution.

[Cabalo]

Hell, get him banned from what.cd since he's still Torrent Celebrity there.

Now I know for sure you're a kid.
Well, I knew it in advance, but I feel reassured.

Let's punish a paedophile, let's demote him from torrent celebrity at a torrent site! HAHAHAHA Oh, the revenge!!

[aen]

Since the person has been banned I do not see any reasons to foment conflict. Aza, to much e-drama here... I mean one fucker couldn't be a reason to leave the place. Esp. when everything solved and there is no fucker there :p