K-lite Defeated By Emule

[tralalala]

lol thisiswhoweare... im gettin freaked out cos of how much you know about eMule... did you do a PhD on eMule?? lolol


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[thisiswhoweare]

well im a betatester for emuleplus since may, so ive gotten used to how it all works i wish i was doing a PHD on it, it'll be a lot easier than the course im doing now...

[tralalala]

thisiswhoweare Posted on 6 December 2003 - 20:27
  well im a betatester for emuleplus since may, so ive gotten used to how it all works  i wish i was doing a PHD on it, it'll be a lot easier than the course im doing now...   

which would be...?

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[thisiswhoweare]

games programming.

[tralalala]

well, maybe a lot easier... but i think game programming is amazing.. one of the most amazing and cool things around mate.

what are you currently programming??

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[thisiswhoweare]

well my programming really sucks....might be retaking this yr again.
I havent actually gotten round to anything which i could fully use to make a game, but at the moment im studying how to code simple graphics (how to draw lines and triangles and such)....

[Johnny_B]

Originally posted by thisiswhoweare@24 November 2003 - 14:37
well i think kazaa's reward system is based on how much files you share (ie in size) and emules is how much you have uploaded. AFAIK in kazaa there is no file that stores how much a user has uploaded to you, or how much you have downloaded from a user so i'm assuming the participation level does work on amount currently being shared.

Could be wrong though.

Sorry to say this, thiswhoweare, but you're wrong.
Kazaa's participation level is determined by how much you upload and download, not how much data you have in your shared folder.
Here's the maths:

(Uploads in MB / Downloads in MB) * 100 = Your participation level

Kazaa's Participation Level

The big difference is that eMule stores your credits in other people's computers and Kazaa's participation level is stored in your computer (it's stored in the registry).
This makes it easier for people to hack Kazaa's PL (I can still remember the old Rocko hack! ), but not eMule's credit system.

That's why I don't understand why everybody complains about Kazaa and the participation level, but for eMule it seems to be alright.
Why? Because eMule is freeware and open source? Is that why eMule shouldn't be questioned?
Even MLDonkey's devs have questioned eMule's credit system. See here the positive and the negative effects.

Wether we like it or not, it's the credit system that's responsible for the massive queues and for slowing down the whole network.

[thisiswhoweare]

if you notice the AFAIK and "I think" in my post it was added because i wasnt certain. Although i feel pretty sure they are different in calculating credit (btw kazaa says it improves credit for indicating integrity of files, which emule doesnt do). Anyway it isnt important, both networks work differently to each other, hence the difference in speeds.

"That's why I don't understand why everybody complains about Kazaa and the participation level, but for eMule it seems to be alright."

you kinda answered it.

"The big difference is that eMule stores your credits in other people's computers and Kazaa's participation level is stored in your computer (it's stored in the registry).
This makes it easier for people to hack Kazaa's PL (I can still remember the old Rocko hack! ), but not eMule's credit system."

Whats the point of having credit systems where everyone has equal credit. Might as well get rid of it if thats the case.

[J'Pol]

I have tried e-mule. I don't like it.

For me it's K++, Soulseek, BitTorrent and DC. That covers everything I want.

[Johnny_B]

Originally posted by thisiswhoweare@6 December 2003 - 23:56
if you notice the AFAIK and "I think" in my post it was added because i wasnt certain. Although i feel pretty sure they are different in calculating credit (btw kazaa says it improves credit for indicating integrity of files, which emule doesnt do). Anyway it isnt important, both networks work differently to each other, hence the difference in speeds.

Yes, Kazaa and eMule have different ways of calculating the credits, but it's the same principle.
Remember that Kazaa tried to copy the ed2k credit system with its own PL.

People's feedback on the PL was awful. People couldn't download anything with a decent speed and in decent time.
They had to upload lots of data to improve their PL, which for newbies didn't make any sense since they were just starting and had no useful files to share.
This then led to people sharing their whole hard drives in order to upload something and get a higher PL.
The network got full of viruses and trojans because of this.

Renamed files were/are still a problem because of the PL too.
Example: I have a porn movie and a low PL. I'll just rename my porn movie to "The Matrix Revolutions" and watch my PL skyrocket.

This is why most eMule servers limit the number of your shared files, and why it has a fake report system.
If eMule were as popular as Kazaa and if it didn't have these 2 features, it would be pretty much like FastTrack.

Conclusion: eMule has a similar crappy reward system as Kazaa, which slows down the network. It has, however, better features to enforce the credit system and keep the network clean.

"That's why I don't understand why everybody complains about Kazaa and the participation level, but for eMule it seems to be alright."

you kinda answered it.

How did I answer it?
Are you saying it's OK for eMule to have a crappy credit system, but not Kazaa? Why?
If you don't have a problem with eMule's credit system, then I'm sure Kazaa's PL won't be a problem too.
I think both reward systems are unfair. That's why I won't suck up for eMule. Why should I? Just because it's an open source freeware program?
No thanks.

Whats the point of having credit systems where everyone has equal credit. Might as well get rid of it if thats the case.

Exactly. Get rid of it!
BitTorrent and K-Lite both use the "first-come, first-serve" method, which, as you can see by the speeds, works.
No credits and no priviliges whatsoever. Everybody is equal, as it should be.