I cant believe you call yourself pro israel. People look down on israelis and jews because of people like you. While its true that there are may be innocent people in the refugee camps, many have already gone to Jordan like they should all do. Jordan is like 5 time larger than Israel. And as for the arguement that they were there first, Palestinians didnt even exist before the 1800's. Palestinians are a blend of people from different Arab countries who emmigrated from areas of the Ottoman Empire, they only stayed because the econimic opportunities there were better than the ones at their homesbecause of the jewish farms that needed a labor force. Hell israel wasnt even habitable until the 19th century and that only because of devoted jews who were being persecuted in Russia cultured the land and used eucalyptys trees to drain the swamps that were caused by the deportation of the jews nearly 1000 years ago by the Persian Empire. Call me heartless but so much land has already been given away that it the Jews should keep whats left. After all Jerusalem is open to everyone, unlike someother places. And by the way, i wouldnt call suicide bombing going above and beyond anything. in Islam as in all religions that i know of,except for maybe satanism(the real kind not the disney version), suicide is one of the biggest sins you can partake in so people who kill themselves are basically going against their beliefs. If you condone, or in youre case elevate, suicide bombers you really are stupid.From my position I do not see my Palestinian brothers are doing anything stupid, I just see people going above and beyond the call of duty, willing to sacrifice them selves for there people. It is the leaders who are the ones doing it all wrong on both sides, the military on Israel have to follow orders its as simple as that, disobey an order you will be looking at the death penalty (worst case scenario), so when an order comes from the top rankers who are all extreme right wing "Jews" to go in and buldoze the hell out of houses, they do it. The same goes for the Palestinians, for lack of any military establishment they join the closest thing and follow there orders, they get ordered to bomb this place and that, they follow it.
Both sides are doing wrong and both sides are doing acts which are stupid but the wrong and stupidity lies in the hands of the leaders. and finally, is there really any such thing as over defending your self when your land is at risk?
From my views, as long as we keep hitting civilians and destroying civilian homes, they have the right to hit back, sharon is just a hypocrite.
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! i honestly couldn't have worded better myself. kAD, you think that all muslims are extremists? tell me something, can i buy pot from you? seriously though, both sides have extremists. if all muslims are extremists, then truly their wouldn't be a majority of muslims in this world, now would there? sharon and arafat are like twin brothers, just caught on opposite sides. so kAD, let me come over to your house with a bulldozer, and being the good "palestinian" you are, defend yourself. now let's modify the situation, i just destroyed your house told you to go live somewhere else, and then what would do? go to the police? in this case the police, it would most likely have to be the U.N. but of course, they're not gonna help, they'll try, but won't be able to. so now what? strap yourself to a bomb and go kill the "infidel" (in which case, yes, the israeli, the one who destroyed your house and booted you, should have every right to defend him/herself). i am not sterotyping here. back to my point, if all muslims are extremists, wait, if all palestinians are extremists, then why do palestinians exist right now? shouldn't they all be dead, or better yet, if they were that bad, they would destroyed the opposition by now. please think b4 u type. and yes, there are many extremists-muslims that use religion as a front. study islam a little, it does not certainly teach terrorism and killing, hell, the law codes and stuff they show on tv about how ppl in iran or watever get their hands chopped off for stealing, that's all bs. they DO NOT teach that kind of stuff in ISLAM, that's just something from IRANIAN culture, and AFGHANISTANI CULTURE. frankly, people who use religion for murder should be murdered themselves for disgracing a faith. i realize that their are many muslim terrorists and extremists, but lets c, a billion muslims, and out of that how many extremists? now take christanity, 3 billion (i think), out of that how many are extremists? KKK anyone? or how about that extremist christain militia that slaughtered those palestinians in those camps, whats the name... i forgot, but will edit this when i remember, it was in 1979 i think. you don't have to take my word for it, read up and study b4 u post bs.
just like most major religions will have some stuff about: converting as many people as you can, having as many kids as you can, passing the religion down as strongly as possible to the kids etc. If you put those sorts of things into a religion then the religion is going to do better than if you don't 
. pls, state where in the koran it says that, and i will happily stfu. it's ppl like you who make a disgrace to america/canada.
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