Usa And It's Influence.

[j2k4]

Originally posted by hobbes+12 January 2004 - 22:46--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (hobbes @ 12 January 2004 - 22:46)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-clocker@13 January 2004 - 03:39
Unfortunately Hobbes, I don&#39;t believe that either of them can cook.

Oh fuck it all, then&#33; [/b][/quote]
So childish, Hobbes.

Here&#39;s a lolli-pop.

[james_bond_rulez]

NOOOoooOO wrong one&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;

*JBR zips up*

[j2k4]

Originally posted by james_bond_rulez@13 January 2004 - 02:34
NOOOoooOO wrong one&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;

*JBR zips up*

[alpha]

Originally posted by Chame1eon+12 January 2004 - 22:21--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Chame1eon @ 12 January 2004 - 22:21)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>

Originally posted by alpha@12 January 2004 - 11:18
<!--QuoteBegin-hobbes

@11 January 2004 - 05:22
I really get so sick of USA bashing when it all comes down to impotent nations pretending that they are somehow different, when, in fact, they would be no different from the USA if they had the ability.

Are you disallowing for the fact that people of different cultures may react differently to different situations?
That&#39;s a rather narrow perspective.

That&#39;s true, but a lot of things includeing a list of basic emotions like happiness sadness disgust ect. and things like ethnocentricity are pretty universal. Not always , of course, but we are all humans. [/b][/quote]
the culture of a nation dictates, to an extent, its policies.
(for example, India&#39;s Non-Alliance policy)
Hobbes:

..they(other nations) would be no different from the USA if they had the ability..

I&#39;m surprised no one has taken issue with this horrendous statement
Many countries do not spend 1/10th as much as the USA on developing "the ability" (i assume you mean militry strength) though they have more pressing issues than liberating people from dictators.

[Busyman]

Originally posted by alpha@13 January 2004 - 08:27

Many countries do not spend 1/10th as much as the USA on developing "the ability" (i assume you mean militry strength) though they have more pressing issues than liberating people from dictators.

Again maybe the US overdoes the liberating but remember WWII.
Our "nonmeddling" nearly cost the world.

[Yogi]

a facade to mask fear and impotence.

Now that is exactly what i see when i look at American policy.

One big facade, hidden agenda&#39;s and armsproducers, multinationals and oildiggers

as the true rulers&#33;&#33;

Yogi

[hobbes]

Well, I guess I have learned what I had set out to. What is unique about American government.

We have leaders who lie, who have agendas they hide from the public, our media and elections are rigged and the rich here, attempt to get richer.

Thanks. Please return to your corruption free, altruistic societies with your full disclosure impartial media. BTW, you may want to crack a window, the vapors from the glue you are sniffing may be affecting your judgement .

[alpha]

The only thing unique about the American government is this:

try getting rid of it.









(Hes probably the least liked prez. in the world....and the most made fun of.)

[jer2eydevil88]

LOL..... Now for my rant&#33;


This topic is great I love bashing my own country. I was under the voting age when Bush was elected and while Gore wasnt exactly a golden goose we are living under a master and theif. In my opinion at least (for those who choose to post 20 things bickering over this by tomorrow) as I believe I am still entitled to that.

If you care to compare our country to others.

Yes We do use more petrolium by products.

Yes We do dominate the world as the largest superpower.

Yes We tend to go into countries and impose our will for them to be a free society as well.

Yes We waste billions on crap like tax refunds that (arguably of course) in my opinion dont work.

Yes We tend to lie and sometimes cheat other countries.

Yes We arent perfect&#33;


However&#33; You are reading a post of a citizen of the country previously described not in fact but in opinion&#33; Meaning that while your countries were under dictators/facists/communists control my country was reshaping the way the world is&#33; While you take for granted the fact that we can have these discussions in a place where million/billions can read them and comment I take notice of how many died for these privledges/rights&#33;

If you lived in America and hated America you would have plenty of company. How many people in your country protest things your government does ""DAILY"" there are hundreds maybe thousands who do here&#33;

If you think that just because America has an army that does whatever our little man in the white house wants makes us a superpower then my fellow forum member you are sadly mistaken&#33;

America is a superpower because it pioneered the modern day government&#33; Because it wasnt attacked by a land based army after WWII&#33; Because the general American cares&#33; If you think that another country could rise up like Germany did in WWII then look at what we did in Iraq (the first time - i dont know why we went back yet...) when a country invades another on the simple basis of hatred America steps in&#33;

If you read all that then I am greatly suprised with your attention span as mine is supposedly only 15seconds (or thats what I am told by staticians) . Please note these words I typed are merely based on the few "facts" I hold true meaning they are my opinions.

Edit:
As for Prez. GWB - I do not wish death on anyone but to all those out there who kidnap we have an insane millionare that cant pronounce help running recklessly around the country. Plz just pick him up and keep him safe till 2006 when we will for sure have a new Prez who has shown us a new America. LOL

[ilw]

Yes We tend to go into countries and impose our will for them to be a free society as well.

I&#39;m sure some people disagree with the bit in bold

America is a superpower because it pioneered the modern day government&#33;Because it wasnt attacked by a land based army after WWII&#33; Because the general American cares&#33;

What exactly did it pioneer and how did any of those things make it a superpower?

If you think that another country could rise up like Germany did in WWII then look at what we did in Iraq (the first time - i dont know why we went back yet...) when a country invades another on the simple basis of hatred America steps in&#33;

My personal opinion of why western europeans in particular are getting uppity about the US is that the EU is coming together and its creating a stronger sense of community among nations which historically were bitter enemies. Imo we seem to be respecting each other as nations more, and our national decisions are becoming more and more influenced by the &#39;common good&#39; as opposed to national self interest, as well as countires being more accountable to other nations.All this imo is a good thing, but a lot of people bang on about losing bits of our sovereignty. The US has been excluded from this cultural shift and imo the disparity is a source of annoyance, as well as a bit of instinctual dislike for those in power.

I was watching CNN a few months back, i can&#39;t remember exactly what they were doing interviews about, but it was interviewing americans (i think in California) and i got the distinct impression that there is a tendency to want to go against international pressure, ie if all of Europe condemns something, the last thing the public want to see is their government actually listening to that pressure and respecting European opinion. ie the us vs them is on both sides of the atlantic. I also got the impression that most americans think Europe is comparable to America, whereas Europeans generally consider their own country in comparison to America. ie if the european &#39;consensus&#39; is against something Americans see it as a 1 vs 1 decision, ie the feeling is Europe disagree with us, whereas europeans see it as a 15:1 decision, ie all of us agree its just America that doesn&#39;t. (Obviously i&#39;m simplifying things loads)