Well It's Democracy

[MicroScreen2]

Originally posted by J'Pol@5 August 2004 - 20:59
If you were to stand quietly holding a banner saying that just because you were Black did not mean you were entitled to less rights.

Then someone punched you in the face for doing it, whose fault would that be.

Martin Luther King and The Mahatma before him advocated passive resistance. They risked themselves, their families and their children when they did this.

As a direct result of this the world is a better place. Because they said no, we shall not take this, neither shall we lower ourselves to the level of those who would attack us.

We shall overcome.

it would be my choice if i hold the banner. if i get punched its my partly fault because i knew the risk when i did it. that doesn't mean it was the wrong thing to do though.

what if i held up the banner and my kid got punched in the face for it?

[hobbes]

Where the hell are we going with this thread?

[Biggles]

Presumably those who marry for love are misguided and those who cannot have children should divorce.

The actions of bullies and those of a wild carnivore are not comparable. I would be interested in your opinions of the bullies that intimidate the Catholic and Protestant children of Northern Ireland. What should their parents do? Change religion, leave the country or try to educate the bigots? We cannot live or lives according to the whims of the most base members of society.

[Biggles]

Originally posted by hobbes@5 August 2004 - 21:07
Where the hell are we going with this thread?

Not sure, but I am oiling the wheels on the hand cart just in case.

[MicroScreen2]

Originally posted by Biggles@5 August 2004 - 21:08
Presumably those who marry for love are misguided and those who cannot have children should divorce.

The actions of bullies and those of a wild carnivore are not comparable. I would be interested in yor opinions of the bullies that intimidate the catholic and protestant children of Northern Ireland. What should their parents do? Change religion, leave the country or try to educate the bigots? We cannot live or lives according to the whims of the most base members of society.

as far as i know the kids in northern ireland often get on regardless of religion. its the parents that hate each other.

in an ideal world the kids of gays wouldn't be bullied
in an ideal world catholics and protestants in northern ireland would forget the past and get along



try to recognise the line between the real world and an ideal world. rather than call me bad cos this isnt an ideal world

[Biggles]

MS

You misunderstand, I don't think you are bad because you disagree. I am simply putting the other side of the argument. We can leave things as they are or try and improve them. The bullying of children because of who their parents are is something that should be improved not avoided or left as it is.

However, I am inclined to agree with Hobbes, I am not sure where this is going. Increasingly heterosexual parents are not married and gay couples do not need to be married to have children either. The linkage between a commitment to marry and whether there are children is loose to say the least and possibly a red herring.

[vidcc]

Originally posted by MicroScreen2@5 August 2004 - 15:15
as far as i know the kids in northern ireland often get on regardless of religion. its the parents that hate each other.

As far as i know kids with gay parent figures often get along with kids of hetro parents regardless of sexual preference....

[hobbes]

Americans have the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness as they see fit.

If two men or women wish to legally unite, that is a matter for them to decide. This decision in no way infringes on the rights of others to carry on their lives as they see fit.

The point is that legal union is a right, and putting a "right" up to majority vote is an infringement of that right.

Would a ban on inter-racial marriages win the majority vote? Sadly "yes", but fortunately all can see that people have the right to marry who they choose.

As for the purpose of marriage, it defines a commitment of two people to one another. What should a woman do if she is living with a millionaire and he leaves her. She becomes a talentless pauper. The instituition of marriage was invented to give each partner a sense of stability and security.

How does marriage effect children at all, the support of the children comes from the love of the parents not from a legal document.

The argument that gay marriages should not be allowed because their children may get bullied a bit Big Brotherian if you ask me.

[vidcc]

Originally posted by hobbes@5 August 2004 - 15:07
Where the hell are we going with this thread?

Well it appears that gay people should be denied the right to human rights because of biggoted actions towards children.

[hobbes]

Originally posted by vidcc+5 August 2004 - 19:26--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (vidcc @ 5 August 2004 - 19:26)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-hobbes@5 August 2004 - 15:07
Where the hell are we going with this thread?

Well it appears that gay people should be denied the right to human rights because of biggoted actions towards children. [/b][/quote]
Yes, see post above.

That is the core element I felt we were wandering away from with all this talk about children and bullies.