What Is The Point Of The Unite Nation?

[spudlover]

As we've seen, the US doesn't need permission to invade Iraq.

No one would be stupid enough to challenge the most(?) powerful nation in the world.

[Skillian]

Damn right that's confusing, and if you judge things like this in subjective terms then it just makes it easy for any country to justify whatever they want to do, because no-one can ever tell you what you are doing is wrong.

That is the point of the United Nations. To try and impose some sort of common law over those nations that agree, so things like military action can be justified or condemned. Neither Iraq or the US/UK took much notice of these laws, and thats how we got into this situation.

zhelynd had a good point - if those countries cannot set a good example by abiding by the UN, then why should Iraq? And if they don't care about the rules/laws then the point of the UN is minimal at best.

[jetje]

Originally posted by spudlover@30 March 2003 - 19:50
As we've seen, the US doesn't need permission to invade Iraq.

No one would be stupid enough to challenge the most(?) powerful nation in the world.

There are that dare, the US bombs just another countrie without catching the crooks... remember Osama.
As some US guys will tell you the enemies ain't countries no more but just individual terrorists.
They can hit fast and hard and unexpected. Timothy McVeigh, Osama and co did proof that...

So what statement did you make???

[Barbarossa]

Originally posted by ne1GotZardoz@30 March 2003 - 16:50

Apathy is a terrible road to follow.
It is self perpetuating.
It becomes easier to look the other way, if you've been doing it for awhile.
Or if everyone else is doing it too.

Then someone flies a plane into a building or walks into a store and blows up, and suddenly you realize just how cold you have become to the truth.

Its time to stop hiding behind past inadiquacies and start fixing the problems that exist today.

Or you can defend your apathy.

Not you Puremind.
This is for those who think we can withdraw and that'll fix everything.

Peace

I agree with you apathy is terrible.

I wonder then how the American Government can with the one hand claim to be fighting Saddam in order to save the planet, then on the other hand be withdrawing from international environmental agreements and treaties saying they would be too costly and not in their national interest to pursue..

Double standards? Hmmm....

[Jonne]

Originally posted by kAb@30 March 2003 - 17:30
guess who started the U.N. (thats right! the goold ol' U.S.A. )

guess who 'forgets' to pay their membership fee each year?

(thats right! the goold ol' U.S.A. )

[leecheskicked]

The USA is as much a part of the UN as Libya!

War is never ethical or moral, it's allways the big guy winning

the only excuse is to help the man in the street

I hope this time it will

[kAb]

Originally posted by leecheskicked@1 April 2003 - 15:21
The USA is as much a part of the UN as Libya!

wanna bet?

[Rat Faced]

I agree, the make up of the Security Council should be changed.

For a start, I can understand why the USA is a permanent member, and China..

You have 2 superpowers, and they are both on different continents.

Europe has 3 permanent members, of which none are now super powers (wake up UK, France and Russia....your not)

Africa and South America have no Permanent Members....why?

And whats this about a veto?

FFS, isnt being a member on a Permanent Basis enough? I dont think any member should have a Veto...it should be be a Democratic Process fully.....ie Majority of the Council.

This isnt getting at France/Russia/China (although thats a majority of Veto's too) as the UK and USA hadnt even got a Majority of the Council for this action, so no Veto's were used....but it did hilight the flaw....


The way of Financing the UN should also be changed....

50% of WORLD GDP is the USA, and they pay less per head of population than Brazil for the expense of keeping the thing going. (Thats when they remember to pay anything.....)

Maybe it should be by % of GDP, instead of the stupid formula they have now, as at the moment some countries spend more of their GDP on UN membership than they do on their Infrastructure.....how are they ever going to be 'Developed Countries' at that rate?



But all of that is irrelevant.....The UN is now defunct as a Security Council.

As the USA also disregard all the other Treaties

eg International Court, Environment etc........The General Assembly may be classed as totally usless too.


Oh BTW kAb....yeh, I'll have a bet with you.

Libya has been a member since: Libyan Arab Jamahiriya -- (14 Dec. 1955)

Member States and Dates of Entry






Or is the USA withdrawing?

[freeksho]

your right we should bail out on the u.n. we should also close our borders to any citizens of any country that spouts hatred at us we wont give aid to the hungry the tired the poor and all you huddled masses and while were at it we should ship that copper lady back to france

[Barbarossa]

Originally posted by freeksho@6 April 2003 - 22:41
your right we should bail out on the u.n. we should also close our borders to any citizens of any country that spouts hatred at us we wont give aid to the hungry the tired the poor and all you huddled masses and while were at it we should ship that copper lady back to france

Yes, well maybe Liberty will soon be a thing of the past in your country, maybe it should go back to France.