Food for thought, as re: Liberalism in America

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I've also seen it used, in literature, as a term to describe a personal servant of the head boy - or a prefect - in English private schools.

It may have been in a Dickens novel, I'm not sure.

tom browns school days would be a more likely candidate

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So J2, the essence is that all people should be given freedom to act as they see fit as long as it does not infringe on the rights of others and the participants are consenting adults.

NAMBLA will probably argue that they have a right to exist because there is nothing illegal about talking about man/boy fantasies. I think they should be placed on a national database and monitered. Is that a breach of personal freedom? I think not, as their fantasies are about illegal acts and puts them into the category of "reasonable cause for search and seizure".

We tolerate them as we tolerate the KKK, which would be killing off the black people if given a choice. They are not allowed to kill or incite people to violence, by law, and have be content with their discourse of white supremacy.

Certainly, I see NAMBLA as nothing more a front to arrange inappropriate and illegal man/child porn and sex. And it's members should be jailed for any such offense, either within the US or abroad.

What really bothers me is not that NAMBLA may exist, it is the fact that people have a desire to join. Destroy NAMBLA and they are still out there, prowling.

I think the ACLU members have to put nose-pins on to go to work some days, but I think they are really just taking this quote to heart.

‘The Nazis did not come first for the Jews, as Peter Novick explains in his brilliant and provocative new book, The Holocaust in American Life, "First they came for the Communists" - a circumstance acknowledged by Niemöller, who continued, "but I was not a Communist - so I said nothing. Then they came for the Social Democrats, but I was not a Social Democrat - so I did nothing. Then came the trade unionists, but I was not a trade unionist. And then they came for the Jews, but I was not a Jew - so I did little. Then when they came for me, there was no one left who could stand up for me."

What is truly arbitrary is when we ban a group or practice, but cannot give any logic for it. Why do we want to ban gay unions, there is no logical explanation. Where do we stop. Hell, the fine people would outlaw mixed marraiges if they could. Why, it offends them. Maybe they could use States rights to make this a state issue?

Great, how devisive would that be. Being a person who supports freedom of the individual to pursue his own path to personal happiness takes a lot of tolerance at times.

As to my point about liberalism. It is neither random nor pointless. As to your response- yes, they stick up for the little guy. I'm glad you finally understand that it is both logical and worthwhile, even if certain issues (NAMBLA) test the limits of what we can tolerate.

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So J2, the essence is that all people should be given freedom to act as they see fit as long as it does not infringe on the rights of others and the participants are consenting adults.

NAMBLA will probably argue that they have a right to exist because there is nothing illegal about talking about man/boy fantasies. I think they should be placed on a national database and monitered. Is that a breach of personal freedom? I think not, as their fantasies are about illegal acts and puts them into the category of "reasonable cause for search and seizure".

We tolerate them as we tolerate the KKK, which would be killing off the black people if given a choice. They are not allowed to kill or incite people to violence, by law, and have be content with their discourse of white supremacy.

Certainly, I see NAMBLA as nothing more a front to arrange inappropriate and illegal man/child porn and sex. And it's members should be jailed for any such offense, either within the US or abroad.

What really bothers me is not that NAMBLA may exist, it is the fact that people have a desire to join. Destroy NAMBLA and they are still out there, prowling.

I think the ACLU members have to put nose-pins on to go to work some days, but I think they are really just taking this quote to heart.



What is truly arbitrary is when we ban a group or practice, but cannot give any logic for it. Why do we want to ban gay unions, there is no logical explanation. Where do we stop. Hell, the fine people would outlaw mixed marraiges if they could. Why, it offends them. Maybe they could use States rights to make this a state issue?

Great, how devisive would that be. Being a person who supports freedom of the individual to pursue his own path to personal happiness takes a lot of tolerance at times.

As to my point about liberalism. It is neither random nor pointless. As to your response- yes, they stick up for the little guy. I'm glad you finally understand that it is both logical and worthwhile, even if certain issues (NAMBLA) test the limits of what we can tolerate.

Great post.

Two things:

1. My understanding of liberalism, such as it is, is in no way final.

I sincerely hope it is at some middle point in it's evolution.

2. I will never cease to be amazed that, between the two philosophies (as defined, discussed, and advocated on this board), no quantifiable agreement on any point, nor in any area, may be discerned, yet we get along rather well, in the main.

I am not lonely, for all of it.

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lmao... thats coz we cant agree on the definitions.

I dont class myself as a Liberal under your definitions, however by your standards im way out on the LEFT...

I am a Liberal in the UK political spectrum... but only because they, for me, are now the closest to my beliefs. In the UK, they are "Middle of the Road"... or should be

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lmao... thats coz we cant agree on the definitions.

I dont class myself as a Liberal under your definitions, however by your standards im way out on the LEFT...

I am a Liberal in the UK political spectrum... but only because they, for me, are now the closest to my beliefs. In the UK, they are "Middle of the Road"... or should be

Maybe we could make on of those "manual things" that other forum sections have. It defines precisely what words mean when used in this forum.

And when people misuse the terms we could all say: