Best graphics card i can get for a APG x4 motherboard?

[Smith]

I know its pointless, but i was wondering what he best AGPx4 graphics cards i can get is.

Thanks

Edit, my bad, Apg x4

[lynx]

Most AGP 8x cards will also run on 4x motherboards. You need to check what voltage you mobo will work at and compare that to the card, but other than that I don't foresee a problem.

Edited your title.

[Storm]

i think ALL video cards will work on 4x AGP

isnt it backwards compatible? (they might run a little slower, but not enough to notice)

[lynx]

isnt it backwards compatible? (they might run a little slower, but not enough to notice)

Unfortunately not.

Motherboards
Original AGP1.0 boards use 3.3v logic and signalling and aren't really compatible with anything else. 1x and 2x and 3.3v keyed.
AGP2.0 uses 1.5V logic and signalling. 1x, 2x and 4x and 1.5V keyed.
Next come Universal AGP mobos which supports 3.3v and 1.5v so you can use AGP1.0 and AGP2.0 cards in these boards. 1x, 2x and 4x, no keys.
Next is AGP3.0 with 1.5V logic and 0.8v signalling. 4x and 8x only, 1.5v keyed.
Then there's Universal 1.5v AGP3.0 mobos. These can detect the difference between AGP2.0 and AGP3.0 cards and run in the appropriate mode. 1x, 2x and 4x (AGP2.0 mode), 4x and 8x (AGP3.0 mode), 1.5v keyed.
Finally there's Universal AGP3.0 mobos which can detect and run in any mode, any speed, not keyed. Not sure if any of these have been commercially produced.

Cards
There are also 1.0, 2.0, 3.0 and various universal cards with slots to match their corresponding keys. This generally means if you can fit the card to the board it won't blow it up, but does not ensure it will work.

If you've got a 4x mobo it will be AGP2.0 in which case you can't use cards which are AGP3.0 only.

What you need is a Universal 1.5v AGP3.0 card. They are 1.5v slotted and will run in AGP2.0 mode in a corresponding mobo or AGP3.0 mode in a AGP3.0 board.

I once tried getting this info about Ati cards, they neither they nor the Ati card builders seem to think it is important whether it is compatible with your system, but I happen to know that some of their top end cards are AGP3.0 only. That situation does not seem to have improved.

I've also tried getting the compatibility info about Nvidia cards. It used to be fairly easy, but since AGP is now on the way out there seems to be less and less info available.

Look for cards which specify 4x or 8x speeds. If that's what it says then it should work. If it doesn't then it is their fault for mis-specifying so they shouldn't charge a restocking fee.

[Snee]

I think my Geforce 6600gt supported 2-8x agp, at least on paper, can't check how it's keyed as it's being repaired atm tho'.

[lynx]

This is the sort of specification you need to look for:
http://www.aopen.nl/products/vga/Aeolus6800-DV128.htm
Notice the AGP generation says 1.0, 2.0 and 3.0 which means it is a universal AGP card. Also signal voltages are 0.8, 1.5 and 3.3

Compare that to the 6600GT which says AGP 3.0 only:
http://www.aopen.nl/products/vga/Aeo...T-DV128AGP.htm
Yet it says 1.5v signalling which is AGP2.0

Then there's the 5200 which also says AGP3.0 only:
http://www.aopen.nl/products/vga/AeolusFX5200-DV256.htm
But this one says signal voltages are 0.8, 1.5 and 3.3 which is universal.

Confused yet? I sure am.

Edit: just noticed you've only got $50 so you can't afford any of them.
Stop wasting our time.

[S!X]

@Lynx, your tryin too hard!! lol

I wouldnt recommend a 5200 to anyone cuz there shite(I have one)
The ATI 9600XT isnt a bad card for 4x AGP.

[Virtualbody1234]

@Lynx, your tryin too hard!! lol

I wouldnt recommend a 5200 to anyone cuz there shite(I have one)
The ATI 9600XT isnt a bad card for 4x AGP.

Well it would depend on the rest of the system. No use installing a good card on a system that won't be able keep up.

If the board only supports AGP 4X then I suspect it might not be worth getting a 9600XT.

@TheCanuk... Post the rest of the computer specs please.

[Smith]

Alrite heres my system summary. It would seem i have an agp x2 mobo, so why do i have an agpx4 card?

Computer:
Operating System Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition
OS Service Pack -
Internet Explorer 6.0.2600.0000 (IE 6.0 - Windows XP)
DirectX 4.09.00.0904 (DirectX 9.0c)
Computer Name KIDSCOMP
User Name Andrew

Motherboard:
CPU Type Intel Pentium IIIE, 800 MHz (6 x 133)
Motherboard Name Shuttle AV11 (2 ISA, 5 PCI, 1 AGP, 3 DIMM)
Motherboard Chipset VIA VT82C693A Apollo Pro133
System Memory 384 MB (SDRAM)
BIOS Type Award Modular (06/19/00)
Communication Port Communications Port (COM1)
Communication Port Communications Port (COM2)
Communication Port Printer Port (LPT1)

Display:
Video Adapter NVIDIA GeForce2 MX 100/200 (32 MB)
3D Accelerator nVIDIA GeForce2 MX 100/200
Monitor Samsung SyncMaster 750(M)s(T) [17" CRT] (HCEN850562)

Multimedia:
Audio Adapter Ensoniq ES1371 AudioPCI-97 Sound Card

Storage:
IDE Controller VIA Bus Master IDE Controller
SCSI/RAID Controller D347PRT SCSI Controller
Floppy Drive Floppy disk drive
Disk Drive HDS722580VLAT20 (80 GB, 7200 RPM, Ultra-ATA/100)
Optical Drive ATAPI CD-RW 48X16 (48x/16x CD-RW)
Optical Drive DVD-ROM
Optical Drive Generic DVD-ROM SCSI CdRom Device
SMART Hard Disks Status OK

Partitions:
C: (NTFS) 78528 MB (41473 MB free)

Input:
Keyboard Standard 101/102-Key or Microsoft Natural PS/2 Keyboard
Mouse HID-compliant mouse

Network:
Network Adapter Realtek RTL8139 Family PCI Fast Ethernet NIC (192.168.2.10)

Peripherals:
Printer Okidata OL-600e
USB1 Controller VIA VT82C596B Integrated USB Controller
USB Device Logitech QuickCam Express
USB Device USB Human Interface Device




Memory Controller Properties:
Error Detection Method None
Error Correction Single-bit
Supported Memory Interleave 4-Way
Current Memory Interleave 1-Way
Supported Memory Speeds 70ns, 60ns
Supported Memory Types SPM, FPM, EDO, Parity, ECC, SIMM, DIMM, SDRAM
Supported Memory Voltages 5V, 3.3V
Maximum Memory Module Size 256 MB
Memory Slots 3

[ Processors / Pentium III ]

Processor Properties:
Manufacturer Intel
Version Pentium III
External Clock 133 MHz
Maximum Clock 800 MHz
Current Clock 800 MHz
Type Central Processor
Voltage 3.3 V
Status Enabled
Upgrade Slot 1
Socket Designation SLOT 1

[ Caches / Internal Cache ]

Cache Properties:
Type Internal
Status Enabled
Operational Mode Write-Back
Maximum Size 32 KB
Installed Size 32 KB
Supported SRAM Type Synchronous
Current SRAM Type Synchronous
Socket Designation Internal Cache

[ Caches / External Cache ]

Cache Properties:
Type External
Status Enabled
Operational Mode Write-Back
Maximum Size 2048 KB
Installed Size 256 KB
Supported SRAM Type Synchronous
Current SRAM Type Synchronous
Socket Designation External Cache

[ Memory Modules / BANK_0 ]

Memory Module Properties:
Socket Designation BANK_0
Type DIMM, SDRAM
Speed 70 ns
Installed Size 128 MB
Enabled Size 128 MB

[ Memory Modules / BANK_1 ]

Memory Module Properties:
Socket Designation BANK_1
Type DIMM, SDRAM
Speed 70 ns
Installed Size 256 MB
Enabled Size 256 MB

[ Memory Modules / BANK_2 ]

Memory Module Properties:
Socket Designation BANK_2
Speed 70 ns
Installed Size Not Installed
Enabled Size Not Installed

[ Memory Devices / BANK_0 ]

Memory Device Properties:
Form Factor DIMM
Type EDRAM
Size 128 MB
Device Locator BANK_0
Bank Locator Bank0/1

[ Memory Devices / BANK_1 ]

Memory Device Properties:
Form Factor DIMM
Type EDRAM
Size 256 MB
Device Locator BANK_1
Bank Locator Bank2/3

[ Memory Devices / BANK_2 ]

Memory Device Properties:
Form Factor DIMM
Type EDRAM
Device Locator BANK_2
Bank Locator Bank4/5

[ System Slots / ISA ]

System Slot Properties:
Slot Designation ISA
Type ISA
Data Bus Width 16-bit
Length Long

[ System Slots / ISA ]

System Slot Properties:
Slot Designation ISA
Type ISA
Data Bus Width 16-bit
Length Long

[ System Slots / PCI ]

System Slot Properties:
Slot Designation PCI
Type PCI
Usage Empty
Data Bus Width 32-bit
Length Long

[ System Slots / PCI ]

System Slot Properties:
Slot Designation PCI
Type PCI
Usage In Use
Data Bus Width 32-bit
Length Long

[ System Slots / PCI ]

System Slot Properties:
Slot Designation PCI
Type PCI
Usage Empty
Data Bus Width 32-bit
Length Long

[ System Slots / PCI ]

System Slot Properties:
Slot Designation PCI
Type PCI
Usage In Use
Data Bus Width 32-bit
Length Long

[ System Slots / PCI ]

System Slot Properties:
Slot Designation PCI
Type PCI
Usage Empty
Data Bus Width 32-bit
Length Long

[ System Slots / AGP ]

System Slot Properties:
Slot Designation AGP
Type AGP
Usage Empty
Data Bus Width 32-bit
Length Long

[ Port Connectors / PRIMARY IDE ]

Port Connector Properties:
Internal Reference Designator PRIMARY IDE
Internal Connector Type On-Board IDE
External Connector Type None

[ Port Connectors / SECONDARY IDE ]

Port Connector Properties:
Internal Reference Designator SECONDARY IDE
Internal Connector Type On-Board IDE
External Connector Type None

[ Port Connectors / FDD ]

Port Connector Properties:
Port Type 8251 FIFO Compatible
Internal Reference Designator FDD
Internal Connector Type On-Board Floppy
External Connector Type None

[ Port Connectors / COM1 ]

Port Connector Properties:
Port Type Serial Port 16450 Compatible
Internal Reference Designator COM1
Internal Connector Type 9 Pin Dual Inline (pin 10 cut)
External Connector Type DB-9 pin male

[ Port Connectors / COM2 ]

Port Connector Properties:
Port Type Serial Port 16450 Compatible
Internal Reference Designator COM2
Internal Connector Type 9 Pin Dual Inline (pin 10 cut)
External Connector Type DB-9 pin male

[ Port Connectors / LPT1 ]

Port Connector Properties:
Port Type Parallel Port ECP/EPP
Internal Reference Designator LPT1
Internal Connector Type DB-25 pin female
External Connector Type DB-25 pin female

[ Port Connectors / Keyboard ]

Port Connector Properties:
Port Type Keyboard Port
Internal Reference Designator Keyboard
External Connector Type PS/2

[ Port Connectors / No Detected ]

Port Connector Properties:
Port Type Mouse Port
Internal Reference Designator PS/2 Mouse
Internal Connector Type PS/2
External Reference Designator No Detected
External Connector Type PS/2

[ Port Connectors / USB ]

Port Connector Properties:
Port Type USB
Internal Reference Designator USB
Internal Connector Type None


--------[ Overclock ]---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

CPU Properties:
CPU Type Intel Pentium IIIE
CPU Alias Coppermine, CuMine, A80526
CPU Stepping cB0
CPUID Revision 00000683h

CPU Speed:
CPU Clock 797.93 MHz (original: 800 MHz)
CPU Multiplier 6.0x
CPU FSB 132.99 MHz (original: 133 MHz)
Memory Bus 132.99 MHz

CPU Cache:
L1 Code Cache 16 KB
L1 Data Cache 16 KB
L2 Cache 256 KB (On-Die, ATC, Full-Speed)

Motherboard Properties:
Motherboard ID 06/19/2000-693-596-W977-2A6LGH2AC-00
Motherboard Name Shuttle AV11 (2 ISA, 5 PCI, 1 AGP, 3 DIMM)

Chipset Properties:
Motherboard Chipset VIA VT82C693A Apollo Pro133

SPD Memory Modules:
DIMM1: 16MX64E-133.8MX8 128 MB PC133 SDRAM (3.0-4-4-6 @ 133 MHz) (2.0-3-3-5 @ 100 MHz)
DIMM2: Apacer Tech. 256 MB PC133 SDRAM (3.0-3-3-6 @ 133 MHz)

BIOS Properties:
System BIOS Date 06/19/00
Video BIOS Date 03/14/01
Award BIOS Type Award Modular BIOS v4.51PG
Award BIOS Message (AV11S835) VIA Apollo Pro PCISet
DMI BIOS Version 4.51 PG

Graphics Processor Properties:
DirectX 4.09.00.0904 (DirectX 9.0c)
Video Adapter nVIDIA GeForce2 MX 100/200
GPU Code Name NV11 (AGP 4x 10DE / 0111, Rev B2)
GPU Clock 200 MHz
Memory Clock 150 MHz


--------[ Power Management ]--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Power Management Properties:
Current Power Source AC Line
Battery Status No Battery
Full Battery Lifetime Unknown
Remaining Battery Lifetime Unknown


--------[ Sensor ]------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Sensor Properties:
Sensor Type HDD
Sensor Access SMART

Temperatures:
Hitachi HDS722580VLAT20/a 18 °C (64 °F)
Hitachi HDS722580VLAT20/b 32 °C (90 °F)


--------[ CPU ]---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

CPU Properties:
CPU Type Intel Pentium IIIE, 800 MHz (6 x 133)
CPU Alias Coppermine, CuMine, A80526
CPU Stepping cB0
Instruction Set x86, MMX, SSE
Original Clock 800 MHz
L1 Code Cache 16 KB
L1 Data Cache 16 KB
L2 Cache 256 KB (On-Die, ATC, Full-Speed)

CPU Physical Info:
Package Type 370 Pin FC-PGA
Package Size 4.95 cm x 4.95 cm
Transistors 28.1 million
Process Technology 6M, 0.18 um, CMOS
Die Size 104 mm2
Core Voltage 1.60 / 1.65 V
I/O Voltage 3.3 V
Typical Power 11 - 25 W (depending on clock speed)
Maximum Power 16.0 - 37.5 W (depending on clock speed)

CPU Manufacturer:
Company Name Intel Corporation
Product Information http://www.intel.com/products/browse/processor.htm

CPU Utilization:
CPU #1 100 %


--------[ CPUID ]-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

CPUID Properties:
CPUID Manufacturer GenuineIntel
CPUID Revision 00000683h
IA Brand ID 02h (Intel Pentium III)
Platform ID 05h (Socket 370)
IA CPU Serial Number Unknown
HTT / CMP Units 0 / 0

Instruction Set:
64-bit x86 Extension Not Supported
AMD 3DNow! Not Supported
AMD 3DNow! Professional Not Supported
AMD Enhanced 3DNow! Not Supported
AMD Extended MMX Not Supported
Cyrix Extended MMX Not Supported
IA-64 Not Supported
IA MMX Supported
IA SSE Supported
IA SSE 2 Not Supported
IA SSE 3 Not Supported
CLFLUSH Instruction Not Supported
CMPXCHG8B Instruction Supported
CMPXCHG16B Instruction Not Supported
Conditional Move Instruction Supported
FEMMS Instruction Not Supported
MONITOR / MWAIT Instruction Not Supported

CPUID Features:
36-bit Page Size Extension Supported
Advanced Cryptography Engine Not Supported
Alternate Instruction Set


--------[ PCI / AGP Video ]---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

nVIDIA GeForce2 MX 100/200 Video Adapter
nVIDIA GeForce2 MX 100/200 3D Accelerator


--------[ GPU ]---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Graphics Processor Properties:
Video Adapter nVIDIA GeForce2 MX 100/200
GPU Code Name NV11
PCI Device 10DE / 0111
Transistors 19 million
Process Technology 0.18u
Bus Type AGP 4x
Memory Size 32 MB
GPU Clock 200 MHz
RAMDAC Clock 350 MHz
Pixel Pipelines 2
TMU Per Pipeline 2
Vertex Shaders Not Supported
Pixel Shaders 1 (v0.5)
DirectX Hardware Support DirectX v7.0
Pixel Fillrate 400 MPixel/s
Texel Fillrate 800 MTexel/s

Memory Bus Properties:
Bus Type SDR
Bus Width 64-bit
Real Clock 150 MHz
Effective Clock 150 MHz
Bandwidth 1200 MB/s

Graphics Processor Manufacturer:
Company Name NVIDIA Corporation
Product Information http://www.nvidia.com/view.asp?PAGE=products
Driver Download http://www.nvidia.com/drivers

nVIDIA Registers:
nv-000000 011100B2
nv-100000 00000000
nv-100200 08C10100
nv-10020C 02000000
nv-101000 803BD447
nv-680500 00000E01
nv-680504 00001501
nv-680570 00000000
nv-680574 00000000
nv-68057C 00000000


--------[ Monitor ]-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

[ Samsung SyncMaster 750(M)s(T) ]

Monitor Properties:
Monitor Name Samsung SyncMaster 750(M)s(T)
Monitor ID SAM1057
Monitor Type 17" CRT
Manufacture Date Week 35 / 2000
Serial Number HCEN850562
Max. Visible Display Size 32 cm x 24 cm (15.7")
Picture Aspect Ratio 4:3
Horizontal Frequency 30 - 70 kHz
Vertical Frequency 50 - 160 Hz
Maximum Resolution 1280 x 1024
Gamma 2.26
DPMS Mode Support Standby, Suspend, Active-Off

Supported Video Modes:
640 x 480 135 Hz
800 x 600 110 Hz
1024 x 768 85 Hz
1152 x 864 75 Hz
1280 x 1024 65 Hz

What do u guys think, i just want to give a performance boost, to hold off buying a new comp for a month or 2.

[S!X]

Your better off just buying a new comp.