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    Quote Originally Posted by Busyman
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    I have heard this too. Also they aren't allowed to look at muslim women they think may be not fully dressed (in the islamic way), not use sniffer dogs and not conduct raids before dawn as they may be praying.

    That stuff was in 3RA1N1AC's links.

    Na, I read it at work on my lunchbreak in The Sun. I didn't even bother with Brainiacs links

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    It sounds like a policy by one English force rather than anything else.

    I would be absolutely stunned if specialist strike squads would do this. Purely on a Health and Safety basis. The federation are never going to wear it (pun intended).

    This seems to be the essence of the story

    POLICE have been told to take their shoes off and not use sniffer dogs when raiding Muslim homes.

    An 18-point guide issued by Bedfordshire Police lists dos and don'ts when dealing with Muslims who are suspected of terrorist or drugs offences.

    The guidelines state that 'the Muslim community feels victimised and suspicious of counter terrorist police operations and in the current climate a search at a British Muslim household has the potential to become a critical incident and come under intense scrutiny'.

    It then lists 18 points police officers should note.

    These include:

    • Rapid entry needs to be the last resort and raids into Muslim houses are discouraged for a number of religious dignity reasons.

    • Police should seek to avoid looking at unclad Muslim women and allow them an opportunity to dress and cover their heads.

    • For reasons of dignity officers should seek to avoid entering occupied bedrooms and bathrooms even before dawn.

    • Use of police dogs will be considered serious desecration of the premises and may necessitate extensive cleaning of the house and disposal of household items.

    • Advice should be sought before considering the use of cameras and camcorders due to the risk of capturing individuals, especially women, in inappropriate dress.

    • Muslim prisoners should be allowed to take additional clothing to the station.

    • If people are praying at home officers should stand aside and not disrupt the prayer. They should be allowed the opportunity to finish.

    • Officers should not take shoes into the houses, especially in areas that might be kept pure for prayer purposes.

    • In the current climate the justification for pre-dawn raids on Muslim houses needs to be clear and transparent.

    • Non-Muslims are not allowed to touch holy books, Qurans or religious artefacts without permission. Where possible, Muslim officers in a state of 'Wudhu' (preparation before prayer) should be used for this purpose.

    Chairman of Luton Council of Faiths, Zafar Khan, welcomed the guidelines but said the police should deal with all faiths sensitively.

    He said: "Guidelines on how to deal and interact with the community in all faiths should be welcomed.

    "It's a question of being sensitive and informed and if that makes the policing more effective and more sensitive that has to be a good thing."

    Abdul Malik, chairman of Luton Race Advisory Forum, said it had been in discussions with the police about how to raid houses before the London bombing campaign.

    He said: "The police need to be sensitive when they are going into the homes of everybody - not just Muslims.

    "They should keep respect. Some Hindus and Sikhs have a place or a room devoted to prayer and that should be respected too."

    A Bedfordshire Police spokesman said: "The guidelines are regularly issued to all staff as a reminder of the force protocol when entering a Muslim household.

    "We take very seriously the culture surrounding all faiths and feel it is important to respect those beliefs, even while carrying out police business. We would like to reassure all communities that any current or perceived tensions, which might be heightened as a result of recent events, will not affect how police deal with Muslims or anyone else."
    Source http://www.lsnmedia.co.uk/luton/

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    Quote Originally Posted by j2k4
    Quote Originally Posted by GepperRankins
    ps. why is impartial critisised as left wing?
    Why is anything not considered "mainstream" criticized as "right-wing"?

    Why does the left-wing presume all of it's views to be impartial/mainstream?

    Why does the left-wing deny it's own existence?

    To hear you talk, there is a right-wing view, your own mainstream version, and nothing else.

    As my Gran used to say: PSHAW!!

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    Please resist the urge to cloud the issue with reason and logic.
    it seems that if a news channel, for example reports on civilians being killed by american gunfire it's said to be left wing. even if the same channel reports civilians being killed by iraqi gunfire and presents both cases with the facts and and background, it's "left wing".

    it appears to me that to be truly impartial you must be biased and lie to support the american government.

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    Quote Originally Posted by j2k4
    Quote Originally Posted by GepperRankins
    ps. why is impartial critisised as left wing?
    Why does the left-wing presume all of it's views to be impartial/mainstream?

    Why does the left-wing deny it's own existence?
    I don't, but I wish they were mainstream.

    I certainly don't deny it's existence, however I despair of it's diminution, in my country.

    We've discussed this before now. I think The Lord was left-wing. All this love others, sharing, looking after the weak and needy and so forth. FFS he practically designed the welfare state.

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    I hope there's not going to be talk of going through the head of a needle and stuff now

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rat Faced
    I hope there's not going to be talk of going through the head of a needle and stuff now
    Good point, well presented.

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    Quote Originally Posted by j2k4
    Why does the left-wing deny it's own existence?

    ...

    3RA1N1AC-

    Please resist the urge to cloud the issue with reason and logic.
    oh there is left-wing media. or left-leaning. well, let's not beat around the bush. left-wing. but then i'd hesitate to post news links from The Guardian (U.K.) or The Village Voice (NY), too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by j2k4
    Quote Originally Posted by JPaul
    Good point, well presented.
    The head of a needle?

    Ooer...

    Or something like that.
    Hoi, don't misquote my irony and make it innuendo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by j2k4
    Quote Originally Posted by JPaul
    Hoi, don't misquote my irony and make it innuendo.
    An Italian suppository?
    What happened to the drumroll / cymball smillie.

    Yo Liam, respect dude.

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