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Thread: Could Americans elect a black president in 2008?

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    MagicNakor's Avatar On the Peripheral
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    Now, what if they run on the same ticket?

    things are quiet until hitler decides he'd like to invade russia
    so, he does
    the russians are like "OMG WTF D00DZ, STOP TKING"
    and the germans are still like "omg ph34r n00bz"
    the russians fall back, all the way to moscow
    and then they all begin h4xing, which brings on the russian winter
    the germans are like "wtf, h4x"
    -- WW2 for the l33t

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    Quote Originally Posted by JPaul View Post
    Clinton has bags of charisma...Same as with Kennedy.
    As does Obama.
    Lack of experience and strong perceived ties to a party line are also points in his favor...at least right now.
    I doubt that he will actually make it to the final cut but he may well have enough clout to influence the platform and broker the final choices.
    "I am the one who knocks."- Heisenberg

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    Snee's Avatar Error xɐʇuʎs BT Rep: +1
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    I reckon they should elect a woman first, speaking of people who've never had a go before.

    I mean, that's roughly 50% of the population, women.
    Whereas coloured people constitute what, 15% or so?
    Yet, somehow that seems even less likely to happen.

    I also reckon that the US would cope just fine with a member of either group, or both, in charge, it's just that it won't happen in 2008.

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    the next non-white prez will be a hispanic male.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr. nails View Post
    the next non-white prez will be a hispanic male.
    Absolutely not. There is the thought that Hispanic politicians would be lax on immigration law.

    A pro-"make them all citizens" politician.

    Hell I get peeved when I hear about taxpayer funded day laborer buildings.

    NIMBY

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    Of course they can...and not for the first time...they voted in Bush twice..after all.

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    According to the latest polls, across both party's voters, John McCain is the favourite anyway, with the Dems possibly taking Congress.

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    Oh sorry you meant... colour black...now that didn't occur to me..

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    A good black and/or female candidate would be elected in short order, I think.

    I don't see Hillary winning a general, she's pissed too many people off, and irrevocably, at that.

    I think she'd have to strong-arm her way to a nomination, and create more enemies in the doing than she already has.

    Obama has, as previously noted, no record.

    The difficulty for him is, being touted to the point of having to (probably sooner rather than later) declare, he then has to tread the line between committing to any potentially dangerous positions and keeping his nose clean.

    Either way is risky.

    There's talk of him running with Hillary for Veep, but that's a loser for him, ultimately.

    There is the undercurrent of Clinton-poison to taint him, and I think the bottom line is that he'd find the pull to run for POTUS too strong to run with her, and running with her too risky.

    As to the others:

    Kerry - certainly not.

    Edwards - the same; a genuine lightweight.

    Vilsack - no chance.

    The guy from Indiana (can't remember his name) - could make some noise, but ultimately, nah.

    The guy who might just pull it off (my pick...are you listening, Busyman?) - Bill Richardson; Nails might just be right.

    Republicans McCain, Guiliani, Romney, Brownback, Hunter, et. al., are a mixed bag, with no definite favorite, nevermind the polls.

    Watch out for Condi, though.

    I think if she decides to run, she wins.
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    Quote Originally Posted by j2k4 View Post
    I don't see Hillary winning a general, she's pissed too many people off, and irrevocably, at that.

    I think she'd have to strong-arm her way to a nomination, and create more enemies in the doing than she already has.

    There's talk of him running with Hillary for Veep, but that's a loser for him, ultimately.

    There is the undercurrent of Clinton-poison to taint him, and I think the bottom line is that he'd find the pull to run for POTUS too strong to run with her, and running with her too risky.
    This "undercurrent of Clinton-poison" is only with the right wingers. Despite how they like to portray her if you look at her voting record she is a centrist.
    She has upset some on the left of her party with her "support" for the Iraq war but if she was the candidate then she would get their vote.


    Quote Originally Posted by j2k4 View Post
    The guy who might just pull it off (my pick...are you listening, Busyman?) - Bill Richardson; Nails might just be right.
    He would be my choice for democratic candidate. He's the governor of my state and has quite a considerable amount of foreign diplomatic experience to boot. He has come out strongly against the Iraq war which is another plus. Obama as his vp.

    on the repubs


    Brownback and Hunter are way too far to the right for me

    McCain recently has gone all over the shop being too inconsistent, I've gone off him a lot.
    Guiliani I feel is riding on a wave of popularity because of 911, he was pretty awful before that by many accounts.
    Romney, not too keen on him. but probably almost bearable.

    All of the above three have been paying homage to the extreme right of late, backing away from previous stances and this troubles me.








    If Bill Clinton were allowed to run again he would win....the resultant foaming from the right would just be a bonus.

    it’s an election with no Democrats, in one of the whitest states in the union, where rich candidates pay $35 for your votes. Or, as Republicans call it, their vision for the future.

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