Originally Posted by
Ava Estelle
Wrong, there is a fourth ... Neither 1 nor 2 can be proven, therefore I neither believe nor disbelieve. This isn't the same as 3, which admits either 1 or 2 could be right, but that you haven't decided which one.
This is a contradiction of what you said in an earlier post ...
Originally Posted by
SnnY
I know for a fact that nothing can be proven.
I find SnnY's posts quite confusing, an atheist says, I don't believe in God[s], SnnY says ..
Originally Posted by
SnnY
.. I don't believe in God either ..
Where is this atheist 'doctrine' you disassociate yourself with?
It was very early in the morning, however, if you'd read all of what I said, instead of the bits you thought made for nice cutouts, you'da' understood what I said.
However, once more for the hard of reading:
I don't don't believe, or believe in God the way JP, Dave, or vid does.
I know that there is a possibility that God exists, but I also know that there is a possibility that one doesn't, this knowledge doesn't equal believing in, or not beliving in God the way a religious person, or an atheist does. I know neither can be proven, and therefore I'm open to the fact that either possibility may be true, or false.
Therefore I don't believe in God, but I also don't "don't believe in God" the way vid does, since what he's saying really is that he believes that God doesn't exist. My not believing doesn't mean the same thing as an atheists believing. (I explained this, tho', and stopped saying that "I don't believe", since that became confusing.)
He believes in something. I don't. In this case. (vid would say I believe in possibilities or sth, which I disagree on, as I say I know that neither possibility can be disproven at this point in time. This is because of there's plenty of empirical evidence that not all is known, and that since it isn't, we don't have the means to know everything, and so on.)
The only reason I didn't go over it and clarify, was because vid had already quoted me, and I'd already made an amendment to clarify the context in which that was posted in a later post.
And dave, no.
The odds for Martians existing here and now would most likely be far worse than the existence of a God somewhere, at some level of existence, somewhere.
As I've been saying, there's a lot to reality that isn't known, and therefore the odds for a God existing, or not existing, can't be determined at all, and until they can, no one can say however it's improbable or not, whereas the Martians we can say something about.
Parallel universes, m-space, eleven dimensions (not the same as parallel dimensions, btw), holographic universe, ever-changing laws of physics, near (from our POV) infinite time, and space, or possibly just infinite.
And at any point in time, or that space, a god, or godlike creature, could exist, or start existing.
As for the martians:
We (think we) know something of Mars, today, in this space, we know that there have been no known observations of martians, we know that skin is mostly just carbon, and that can be found anywhere, as can all of the elements constituting a human body, so there'd not be much of a point in collecting that for fuel, so they most likely wouldn't go here for that, 'cos it'd be insane, and so on.
EDit: And it's also fairly specific, and for each detail: Time, space, purpose, point of origin, etc, it becomes less probable.
What a salesman, 'selling' something that is not tangible.
I do, however, believe in their morals. Religion itself is not to blame for any wrongs done in its name. It the Religious adherents who do stupid things in the name of that religion that are to blame. A bit like; the road does not cause any road accidents. It's only the people and vehicles using the roads that are the cause of accidents. There are very few, exceptions to the above.
What a salesman, 'selling' something that is not tangible.
I do, however, believe in their morals. Religion itself is not to blame for any wrongs done in its name. It the Religious adherents who do stupid things in the name of that religion that are to blame. A bit like; the road does not cause any road accidents. It's only the people and vehicles using the roads that are the cause of accidents. There are very few, exceptions to the above.
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