It seems the U.S. is...

[Mr JP Fugley]

Is this the guy, he seems charming.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Duke

[j2k4]

Barely a day goes by that one can avoid reading or hearing yet another Israeli, American or British warhawk regurgitate the broken record that Iran’s President Ahmadinejad threatened to “wipe Israel off the map,” framed in the ridiculous context that Israelis are being targeted for a second holocaust. This baseless rallying call for conflict holds about as much credibility as Dick Cheney’s assertion that Saddam Hussein was planning to light up American skies with mushroom clouds.

Today it’s the turn of would-be future British Prime Minister David Cameron, leader of the Conservative Party, who repeated the “wipe Israel off he map” fraud in a speech at the World Economic Forum in Dav’s, using it to qualify his refusal to rule out a military strike on Iran under a Tory government.

Did Ahmadinejad really threaten to “wipe Israel off the map” or is this phrase just another jingoistic brand slogan for selling the next war in the Middle East?

The devil is in the detail, wiping Israel off the map suggests a physical genocidal assault, a literal population relocation or elimination akin to what the Nazis did. According to numerous different translations, Ahmadinejad never used the word “map,” instead his statement was in the context of time and applied to the Zionist regime occupying Jerusalem. Ahmadinejad was expressing his future hope that the Zionist regime in Israel would fall, not that Iran was going to physically annex the country and its population.

To claim Ahmadinejad has issued a rallying cry to ethnically cleanse Israel is akin to saying that Churchill wanted to murder all Germans when he stated his desire to crush the Nazis. This is about the demise of a corrupt occupying power, not the deaths of millions of innocent people.

The Guardian’s Jonathan Steele cites four different translations, from professors to the BBC to the New York Times and even pro-Israel news outlets, in none of those translations is the word “map” used. The closest translation to what the Iranian President actually said is, “The regime occupying Jerusalem must vanish from the page of time,” or a narrow relative thereof. In no version is the word “map” used or a context of mass genocide or hostile military action even hinted at.

The acceptance of the word “map” seemingly originated with the New York Times, who later had to back away from this false translation. The BBC also wrongly used the word and, in comments to Steele, later accepted their mistake but refused to issue a retraction.

“The fact that he compared his desired option - the elimination of “the regime occupying Jerusalem” - with the fall of the Shah’s regime in Iran makes it crystal clear that he is talking about regime change, not the end of Israel. As a schoolboy opponent of the Shah in the 80’s he surely did not favor Iran’s removal from the page of time. He just wanted the Shah out,” writes Steele.

“It’s important to note that the “quote” in question was itself a quote, writes Arash Norouzi, “they are the words of the late Ayatollah Khomeini, the father of the Islamic Revolution. Although he quoted Khomeini to affirm his own position on Zionism, the actual words belong to Khomeini and not Ahmadinejad. Thus, Ahmadinejad has essentially been credited (or blamed) for a quote that is not only unoriginal, but represents a viewpoint already in place well before he ever took office.”

Source

Well, then.

You've just forfeit any credibility you ever had, as well as any you might accrue, for the rest of your life.

I can't believe you just did that.

Oh, almost forgot-

-a pause for much needed breath-

BTW-

The-

He just burned the rest of your credibility as well.

[bigboab]

the US should go round the world building people nuclear power plants if they don't trust people to make their own

I like the idea.

Could be a money maker.

[j2k4]

I can't stop-



That's all I'm allowed in any one post.

[Ava Estelle]

Can you prove him wrong j2?

Or are you just clutching at straws to hide your glacier humiliation?

[j2k4]

Can you prove him wrong j2?

Or are you just clutching at straws to hide your glacier humiliation?

Oh, please stop...

[Mr JP Fugley]

Billy, Billy, Billy now I know you have form for this. However quoting a former prominent member of the KKK, published anti-semite, convicted tax fraudster, holocaust denier, whose former wife runs an internet sight dedicated to white supremacism, which he posts on, is pushing it a bit, even for you.

He's hardly a reliable source one would have thought.

Or like I said, is it a different one.

[Ava Estelle]

Being a member of the KKK does not make him wrong, he quoted sources.

[j2k4]

Being a member of the KKK does not make him wrong, he quoted sources.

There are other sources of this as well.

The New York Times admitted it had misquoted him too.

j2 has just been humiliated again, and still refuses to supply proof to his laughable assumptions, that's why he jumped on this, you won't see him prove Duke wrong though, that's not his style.

I have no need to prove him wrong.

The boat is full, huh?

The NYT, David Duke, and YOU!

Oh, Lord, here we go again-



Gee whiz, The, what do you say?

Wanna jump into the swamp and save your boy?

[Ava Estelle]

Have you finished laughing yet j2?

When you do, go and check who wrote that piece.