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    Originally posted by JPaul@16 June 2003 - 17:52
    For clarification.

    My Father was a Joiner and my Mother a cleaner in an old folks home. They had 4 children (as do I) and along with my Grandmother all seven of us lived in a 3 bedroom mid terraced house in a small mining village.

    All of my uncles, on my mothers side were coal miners. My Maternal Grandfather was a coal miner, my Paternal Grandfather was a Clay Miner. I never met either as they both died years before I was born. I am sure you can work out why.

    My Maternal Granmother was widowed in her early thirties with 6 children to raise. One of which, my mother spent two years (11-13) in a convalescent home with tuberculosis. My Grandmother worked as a cleaner in addition to looking after her 6 children. All of whom left school at 14 to start work. I think the oldest boy left at 13. The boys went down the pits and worked at the face. That was the option, that was their life.

    I, my friend, am Labour. If you wish I can show you where Kier Hardy was born and lived. I used to pass there on my way to work every day.
    JPaul,

    As I said, I was an activist...including the last General Election.

    I was discouraged before it, now i just wont have anything to do with them.

    We come from similar backgrounds, except my Grandfathers were Shipyards and Mines, again both dead.....before their time, and my family isnt as large (although both parents families are)

    Mothers a Cleaner and Fathers a Bus Driver (but was down the pits when he was 15 ).

    3 kids, divorced.....



    Illuminatati.

    To clarify for you.

    I was Labour as they were the party for my class/income, whatever you want to call it. Im a Union Activist in a moderate Union (not affiliated to any party, as its Civil Service)

    I welcomed New Labour...Im NOT Old Labour.

    I was always against the far left, im a moderate.

    What i am, is disillusioned...as i have seen my Party hijacked by a failed Tory, and its policies become more and more Right Wing.

    The LibDem is more left wing than the Labour Party now, and so i am migrating.

    JPaul doesnt agree, and still believes in Labour, Im glad for him...

    If they come back from the Tory policies, I'll go back.

    I dont look at myself as betraying the Labour Party...I look at myself as sticking by MY beliefs...its the Party that has changed.


    As JPaul will tell you, that is my OPINION....it is a subjective matter.

    I respect JPs opinion in the matter, im sure he understands mine...I dont think we're as far apart as we seem here

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    Originally posted by JPaul@16 June 2003 - 11:06



    I re-iterate. The question is irrelevant. A man of good conscience, acting in good faith, has no consequences to face. I believe the Prime Minister is such a man and that his actions were appropriate, given the situation.
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    i agree completely.What Saddam was doing and had done before signed his own 'death' warrant so to speak. Its a shame it was finished off by Bush snr during the first Gulf War when we accepted the surrender and backed off.



    As for fabricating evidence? Surely we didnt want the oil that bad!!!!!!!!!!

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    I'm a Socialist. The Labour Party has just always been the closest to my political views so I have supported them. If I ever see a party closer I will support them.

    We are probably very similar RF, cut from the same stone I suspect. I more than respect your opinion mate.

    2 Points however

    None of my children are divorced yet, I am sad that your three are.

    You really need to stop driving this topic of course and spamming it. You drag me with you every time.

    (I really do deserve that title.)

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    Okay guys, I was just trying to contribute a point - I had no idea whether it was something overlooked.

    I'll shut up now

    You think Neville Chamberlain started the second world war ?
    I know it was Hitler that started it in the first place, but someone had to kick-start our part in the war. And I sure as f*** know that it wasn't Churchill who started it off (but he did finish it).

    EDIT - Noticed JPaul's quote about Chamberlain and re-iterated what I meant.
    EDIT - Noticed a mistake highlighted by JPaul and corrected it. Sorry JPaul!


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    The Guardian
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    Cook doubts Saddam threat

    Matthew Tempest, political correspondent
    Tuesday June 17, 2003

    Former foreign secretary Robin Cook today dealt a series of devastating blows to the government's case for a war against Iraq, saying that it was "now clear that Saddam Hussein did not represent a 'clear and serious threat'".

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    Originally posted by Illuminati@17 June 2003 - 07:04
    And I sure as f*** know that it was Churchill who started it off (but he did finish it). 

    EDIT - Noticed JPaul's quote about Chamberlain and re-iterated what I meant.
    Neville Chamberlain was educated at Rugby and spent part of his life running his fathers plantation (in the Bahamas). He was a tory MP and went on to lead the party.

    He carried out a policy of appeasement, saying that the Germans had been hard done by in and after WW1 and didn't want to fall out with them again. When Britain was forced into WW2 the other parties would not form a Government with him so he stood down as leader of the tory party.

    Churchill took over and formed a Government with himself as leader.

    So Chamberlain was the Tory PM when the war started. He was not Labour as you conjectured. Churchill was not the leader at commencement of official hostility as you seem to think.

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    Churchill was warning the country about Hitler and the Nazis for about a decade before the war, however he never took over untill AFTER war had been declared.

    The Labour party were elected AFTER the war had finished, partly due to Churchill wanting to fight the Russians and throw them out of the countries they had "Liberated"......the country was far too sick of war by this time to throw up the opportunity of peace.

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    (Bangs head on wall) - I hate it when I type the opposite of what I meant

    I had no idea whether Chamberlain was Tory or Labour; I even said that at the start. I wasn't sure whether to rule him out as Labour or Tory, but I said it could have been either for someone else to sort out. Thanks for that, but as I even said that I wasn't sure you could have been a little less aggressive and a bit more understanding about it

    As for Churchill, I did mean "But I sure as f*** know that it was NOT Churchill who started the war." If I did mean to say that he started the war, then why did I mention Chamberlain then? That's my defence, but it was a slip of the tongue (or finger - Take your pick). That was Year 9 History - Should go back to learning more English though after that mistake

    I've edited it to highlight my mistake.


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    I also liked his tanks to the Clydebank shipyards idea.

    However once again RF leads us off topic. Who is going to moderate this mod.

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    Originally posted by JPaul@17 June 2003 - 12:22
    I also liked his tanks to the Clydebank shipyards idea.

    However once again RF leads us off topic. Who is going to moderate this mod.
    Rat mangles his Mod duties as he mingles with the riff-raff, yes? B)
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