What do the Scene Want?

**stitched** · 01-07-2008, 02:05 PM

may be these sites which say that some torrent shouldn't be leaked....must be exclusive to that particular torrent site....and shouldnt be uploaded on an other torrent site..after all it was stolen from "scene"....and brandon did warn those guys who would upload the exclusives of FTN to any other sites would be banned from FTN ...which might not have gone down well with the "scene" guys and it might be their way of showing who is the BOSS....and i must say there r very good at what they do...be it "scene" releases or be it exposing some one....anyways i dont know much,i am just guessing.....

**magushun** · 01-07-2008, 02:19 PM

they are just a bunch of ugly ass kiddos without lifes who are hypocritely want to claim that they release for their inside uses, just ignore the whine

**RainRoofer** · 01-07-2008, 02:28 PM

Originally Posted by poffin

But why does the scene makes the releases then? If they want it to be limited to only a group of people then they should release their stuff on private FTPs. But then again it's eventually gonna get leaked to P2P. Also I don't understand why do they release stuff if they don't want it to be available to other people? If they really think that their releases are gonna be for only 100 people for instance, I find that kinda silly. Since atleast 1 of those 100 people are gonna leak it to other networks. And whatever they do, they really can't stop that with posting RL info about admins of several P2P trackers. People are still gonna leak the stuff and they won't care about it.

Same opinion, always wondered why do they even bother to rip, steal, race between them self. It's just stupid, they release tons of stuff everyday in every category, and let's say it doesn't get leaked outside of the scene, who's gonna use it ? 200 ppl, maybe 300 ?? From all those releases, maybe 5% of total ammount will be used, watched, read... What's the point again ? I think they just do whine in blank, trying to make them more leet and awesome, and they mostly pretend they're anti-p2p cuz of the groups that really care for their security.

**p1r4t3** · 01-07-2008, 02:33 PM

btw, p2p releasers are one of the biggest purchasers of leech on the scene. If all that would stop, they wouldnt have people to sell leech to :-/

**RainRoofer** · 01-07-2008, 02:36 PM

Sell ? They don't sell it man, they're also against it.Owners of those servers try to make money from it.And imo it's wrong they do, p2p is other thing, but via purchasing axx, even dumbiest person can get into some good dump site, not to mention anti-piracy org.

**stitched** · 01-07-2008, 02:42 PM

Originally Posted by magushun

they are just a bunch of ugly ass kiddos without lifes who are hypocritely want to claim that they release for their inside uses, just ignore the whine

dont say that... we all have taken advantage of their releases.....if not anything we should be greatfull for their releases

**magushun** · 01-07-2008, 02:43 PM

i respect them for the releases, its just the attitude that is completely wrong

for example if i smoke weed, i wont say publicly in front of everyone that weed should be banned weed is the Satan itself, and ofc i dont do it. just admit it, and theres no problem

**Daniel** · 01-07-2008, 02:49 PM

You guys obviously don't know how large the scene can be. Aside from probably hundreds of release groups you have to count all their suppliers who are not part of the groups, the graphics and ascii groups who provide keygen/patch, cracktro and nfo layouts (and much other stuff that never sees the light of day in a release), lets not forget all those people who own topsites and those who race for credit between them and there are a lot more who are not really part of the scene but have access to (top)sites or who profit from it because their brother/uncle/whatever has access to the stuff. To really see the scene for what it is you need to have several entry-points and in the end, even unleaked scene releases will target more than 200-300 people.

I don't doubt that there is money in the scene but I also believe them when they don't want publicity for their releases. Look how many trackers were inspired solely by "scene" releases and it's almost impossible to find one who doesn't have them at all. With millions of people using p2p technology to divulge scene releases all over the world and so much information laid bare in the Internet (google for a scene release and you'll not only find the nfo but possibly a .torrent and a http download as well) this is publicity the scene does not want. Everyone should understand and appreciate that, oink was after all hyped to be the best source for music and applications and then the tracker is just poof, gone. Because of the decentralized nature of the scene community that's not really possible .. but weakening the scene, that they can certainly attempt.

This last paragraph also ties in with stoi's question of how this "dispute" can be laid to rest. It can't really, that is what I believe. As long as scene releases will be freely available to the whole world, the scene members will not like it. Maybe there should be an end to scene-led attacks on p2p "institutions" but then again, there are plenty of idiots in p2p and I'd guess those do more damage than the scene has so far.