Trading invites....Please read

**LordS** · 01-22-2008, 08:06 PM

Because we can?

**whitmar** · 01-22-2008, 08:18 PM

It amazes me how this debate typically progresses. It usually starts out reasonably enough, with those who deplore the practice of trading stating the facts that originally led them to that conclusion. By that, I mean facts such as: it's against tracker rules, it puts trackers at risk, it jeopardizes entire invite trees, etc.

I would expect the other side to respond with their own facts extolling the virtues of invite or account trading, e.g. it provides liquidity in the tracker "commodity market", it provides access to people who don't have the communication skills or integrity to seem trustworthy enough to be given a free invite, etc. (I am admittedly reaching, because I don't agree with trading in principle.) Pro-traders could undoubtedly come up with better arguments.

But they don't...

The least pugnacious retort is something like: "I'll trade all I want, and I don't care what anyone else thinks." Well, at least it's honest. I'm glad, though, this doesn't represent the vast majority of bit torrent community members, because there would be very little file sharing taking place. For that matter, there wouldn't have been many collaborating coders and web designers to have started the trackers in the first place with attitudes like that.

The pro-trading tactics I find most objectionable are those that personally attack members who state opposing views. Comments about someone not acting their age or speculations about a member's sexual preference tend to degrade their side's credibility and draw attention to the vacuous nature of their arguments. Attempts to brand vocal opponents as hypocrites does not serve the pro-trading cause very well either, except perhaps as only a distraction from an apparently unsupportable position. I find it laughable that Polarbear was singled out here in that way. I can't think of anyone in this forum with more integrity than he has, and I though his arguments and his analogy were right on target. I was surprised that links were chosen that actually proved that Polarbear showed due diligence in selecting invitees to Waffles and Libble. The poster had to go all the way back to his first two giveaways as a newcomer to the invites section to find what might remotely be seen as casual giveaways to lessor known trackers. And the one asking advice on how to start a poll? The only reason I can think of for adding that one is to look like one more example of hypocrisy to those readers who didn't check the links and assumed they all had some sort of validity. They didn't.

If I may be so presumptuous as to offer some advice to my pro-trading friends, I would simply recommend that when participating in threads like this, just state your case. Many people have open minds here and you just might win people over, recruiting more traders, producing access to more trackers, thus improving you own chances to obtain more trophies, and achieve higher status! Attacking anti trading members tends to create sympathy for them, and ultimately hurts your argument. It might also create some hard feelings that can come back to haunt you.

**SenorBubbz** · 01-22-2008, 08:58 PM

damn whitmar... you don't give 2 cents, you give thousands of dollars, lol

I say let people trade, it provides a bigger community to the tracker. Yes, some may be cheaters but there are also cheaters with good communications skills that can make friends and still get the invite, so it doesn't matter. Better to let him get the invite by trading, so he gets banned sooner.

**whitmar** · 01-22-2008, 09:27 PM

Sorry for the double post. Don't know how that happened.

**Skiz** · 01-22-2008, 09:42 PM

Originally Posted by Diiyad

Originally Posted by pandabear

Rofl. If only the whole internet was as spineless as you. There would never be arguements.

"You suck!"
"Thats not funny"
"Oh sorry, i take back what i said"

I just remembered how gay the moderators are here... one more infraction and I'm banned.

If you don't like us or how we moderate, I'd be more than willing to assist you in fucking off.

**Rumblin** · 01-22-2008, 09:59 PM

he means happy skizo, dont take it to hard

**grimms** · 01-24-2008, 03:23 AM

Originally Posted by stoi

My 2 cents here, even though some of my staff disagree with me.

Invite trading i dont realy care about. lets say we opened another tracker, (we are games atm, so lets say a music tracker) we gave invites out. The trader want`s a movie tracker, but the person on the movie tracker want`s a Music tracker, so they trade and we hopefully get a good member, and he might even become a better member than the trader.

but i suppose thats because we are a specialist tracker. I can understand these top lvl sites not wanting invite trading, as the trader might go to another top lvl site and like that better and never come back (im sure its not the only reason they don`t like it but its one of them i bet).

and if you trade and your invitee is a cheater (could happen in a giveaway on a public forum and to a personal friend as well) then just take the invites away from them.

What i dont agree with is Account trading, but as that isnt the subject of this post, i will let that one go.

We share the same view my friend. Invite trading i'm not really against. (Don't engage in it, but have offered exchanges in the past not knowing some perceive it to be trading, so i don't do that anymore) Now account trading is a no no, I am an anti-trader and don't like to offer my services to those members (unless you have a really really good compelling story about how you reformed from trading, still probably won't get an invite from me though) But i agree account traders risk others people accounts getting banned and the trackers quality degrading cause of the influx of possibly more traders int he future. Thats my one to all real talk.

**mrnobody** · 01-24-2008, 03:31 AM

Originally Posted by Skizo

Originally Posted by Diiyad

I just remembered how gay the moderators are here... one more infraction and I'm banned.

If you don't like us or how we moderate, I'd be more than willing to assist you in fucking off.

**jonny81985** · 01-24-2008, 03:33 AM

Wow this thread really took off, Its good to see some conversation atleast but can we atleast try and be nice to eachother. There is no need to pick on anyone. we all have our beliefs and we should respect others.

Jon