could be interesting, i wonder what will happen to the soldier that fired. Surely a defence of 'only following orders' won't fly in Israel of all places?
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could be interesting, i wonder what will happen to the soldier that fired. Surely a defence of 'only following orders' won't fly in Israel of all places?
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i don't know what will happen to the soldier who fired, or to his commander, but i do know this, such an investigation will never occur on the other side, on the contrary, they will be idols over there.
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"...the army on Tuesday suspended a commander for 10 days after he failed a lie-detection test over the shooting of a blindfolded and handcuffed Palestinian with a rubber-coated bullet."
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by that sentence ppl may think that the Palestinian is badly wounded, its misleading - this incident does not deserve to be in the top news for such a long time, in the Israeli main news site its until now on the main page with updates, ffsOriginally Posted by Skizo
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You still haven't got it, have you?by that sentence ppl may think that the Palestinian is badly wounded, its misleading - this incident does not deserve to be in the top news for such a long time, in the Israeli main news site its until now on the main page with updates, ffs
It isn't the severity of the incident nor the extent of the man's injuries that are the important factors here, it's the underlying ethos that allows members of the IDF to even consider these sort of actions. Those involved should have been immediately arrested subject to an inquiry. The fact that they weren't is indicative that the people in charge of the IDF have little or no interest in preventing a recurrence.
The argument that the other side does worse holds no water, they simply say that they respond to the IDF's actions. Neither are correct responses.
.Political correctness is based on the principle that it's possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.
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and you haven't got it that if you look on almost all the rest of the armies in the world, you will see X10-X20 more terrible things, that don't even get near the attention that this new is getting.
there is no army in the world without flaws
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can you please at least condemn the shooting of an unarmed, blindfolded and incapacitated person, as it would be comforting to know that you have a shred of humanity left in you.by that sentence ppl may think that the Palestinian is badly wounded, its misleading - this incident does not deserve to be in the top news for such a long time, in the Israeli main news site its until now on the main page with updates, ffs
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This sounds like the beginning of another "others do it, so why shouldn't we" excuse.
I doubt that other armies behave anything like as badly as you claim, but if you can produce some evidence I'm willing to examine it. Certainly, most armies treat these sort of actions very seriously when those in charge learn of them. I would equally condemn any that don't, but they aren't the issue here.
Trying to defend the indefensible is bound to fail.
.Political correctness is based on the principle that it's possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.
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so if some go roof jumping you must go as well ?
the simple fact is most of war crimes go un-noticed because the secrecy but those which are uncovered are subject to debate which leads to other screw up's.
saying that other crimes dont get as much attention as what happens on your side is lame excuse, specially when western worlds are mostly on Israel's side.
yeh your great Allie for example.there is no army in the world without flaws
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Funny this, it seems that you "want" Israel to be an example for all armies in the world.. As if the Israeli army is always under the watching eye, and no other army is..
Just a side-thought.
Anyway, back on to the matter in discussion...
I didn't really want to go ahead and write this, but seeing as none of you really know what serving in the IDF is like, I guess I'll have to do it anyway.
Serving in the IDF is probably one of the most difficult jobs in the modern world.. Not only do you have to defend yourself and your country with an iron fist, but you also have to try and do it in the most humane way, when in front of you come plenty of arrogant people who don't understand this fact, and try to mingle with the soldiers who barely get enough sleep and who are under constant threat of being shot in the head by the odd Palestinian sniper here and there.
So, basically, soldiers in the IDF are subject to one of 2 things - First, they have to be humane, do stuff according to the "game rules" and co., or suffer punishment by the IDF court of justice. Second, they must serve their country and defend it, while getting plenty of negative feedback from around the world. Therefor, there's a lose-lose situation for every soldier in our arm here, because on the one hand they are being hassled by Palestinians who simply won't realise the situation and carry on fucking around and then are surprised they get shot, and on the other hand they are always being criticised.. Whether by the IDF for not doing their job well, or by the rest of the world for doing it too good.
Once again, just a side-thought..
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