What you think about trading

[colyu]

Are you fucking serious? Don't be so foolish to think he HAS to follow one of two opinions. Maybe it didn't occur to you, but there are people who believe there are more important issues to worry about rather than bitch over who does what over the internet, much less trade invites. God damn the internet is srsbsn.

Yep sure am 'fucking serious' ,I find the whole I don't do it but I don't have a problem with it, live and let live, lets all sit around and knit yoghurt posts around here kind of pathetic actually. I will respect anyone who has an opinion that is well presented whether the point of view is contrary to mine or not, and I have learned a great deal from others opinions. There don't just have to be two opinions 'but I don't do it, but I don't see a problem with it' isn't an opinion, it's a half formed brain fart.
There are so many other things that this little gem are applied to, not just the internet, and I find it truly pathetic. There are no justifications or thoughts behind this 'opinion' it is just a throwaway statement where the person can fence sit on an issue.
At least explain why you do or don't like something, this is filesharing talk not filesharing platitudes, people very clearly know my own opinions whether they agree with them or not.

Ok, the main reason why I don't care if people trade is, in my opinion, there IS nothing that is "morally" wrong in trading. People get it into their heads that trading is horrible and the only way to respectfully get an invite is to trade. Well I believe thats just plain wrong. Its just like bartering. Everyone who lived before currency had to barter. So do those people have no morals? And at FST, where everyone's out to get a higher level tracker, look at where all those invites are! Are the in the giveaway section? No. Are requests for them being filled despite 100+ rep? No. The only place they are in is in the Trading section. And if your goal is to get into some high level tracker, well thats the only place to go.

I'm not trying to sound like too much of a pro-trading person, but giveaways just fail when you try to get some high level tracker.

[Funkin']

^ Maybe here most of those "higher level" requests go un-fullfilled, but there's a lot of other closed communities where they do get filled. So no, the only chances to get into those type of trackers is not only by trading.

[colyu]

^ Maybe here most of those "higher level" requests go un-fullfilled, but there's a lot of other closed communities where they do get filled. So no, the only chances to get into those type of trackers is not only by trading.

True, I'm in one of those "closed communities" and they do giveaway high level invites, but at those places, people don't care about high-level trackers. I know plenty of people who have turned down a higher level tracker for a lower one, as their satisfied with what they've got. But for the majority of people who are stuck on FST, the only way their gonna get SCT or something else like it is by trading.

[Cabalo]

Colyu has some very valid points.
Here the morality that stands is the one related with higher bt rep = higher chances to get invited to uk-t/ftn and others.
when those people achieved a high bt-rep, by giving seedhours for quick rep, and then take their chance and request ScT and no one cares, they get disappointed, create a new account and trade their ass off to get there as they have empirically tested the other way, without results.

some other give it, just cuz they want and don't really need much in return, but those are extremely few, and i can't remember of more than a couple of them.

There is no such thing as a magical solution for this forum's problems, except the users taking the issues on their own hands and point the finger when they have to. and i see some actively doing it, which hopefully with a strong control of dupe accounts, will make the air here easier to breath.

[Artemis]

Yep sure am 'fucking serious' ,I find the whole I don't do it but I don't have a problem with it, live and let live, lets all sit around and knit yoghurt posts around here kind of pathetic actually. I will respect anyone who has an opinion that is well presented whether the point of view is contrary to mine or not, and I have learned a great deal from others opinions. There don't just have to be two opinions 'but I don't do it, but I don't see a problem with it' isn't an opinion, it's a half formed brain fart.
There are so many other things that this little gem are applied to, not just the internet, and I find it truly pathetic. There are no justifications or thoughts behind this 'opinion' it is just a throwaway statement where the person can fence sit on an issue.
At least explain why you do or don't like something, this is filesharing talk not filesharing platitudes, people very clearly know my own opinions whether they agree with them or not.

Ok, the main reason why I don't care if people trade is, in my opinion, there IS nothing that is "morally" wrong in trading. People get it into their heads that trading is horrible and the only way to respectfully get an invite is to trade. Well I believe thats just plain wrong. Its just like bartering. Everyone who lived before currency had to barter. So do those people have no morals? And at FST, where everyone's out to get a higher level tracker, look at where all those invites are! Are the in the giveaway section? No. Are requests for them being filled despite 100+ rep? No. The only place they are in is in the Trading section. And if your goal is to get into some high level tracker, well thats the only place to go.

I'm not trying to sound like too much of a pro-trading person, but giveaways just fail when you try to get some high level tracker.

I understand the reasons why some trade, and there are those who do trade in exactly the way you describe, but my main objection with trading is that this currency has unscrupulous 'stockbrokers' that simply trade for the sake of trading.There are many examples here at this forum 4pirates and bakkouka are two that come to mind.
Then of course trading is the thin end of the wedge, with trading comes all the scams and of course invite selling, there are even auction sites around where people bid on invites or accounts.Without trading there would be none of the scamming that goes on around here and at other similar forums and the scammers would be out of a hobby. Just like there are those who say they simply want to barter their invites to get into 'higher level' trackers there are those who are here for the rip, to get one over on others whether it is to get something which has a higher value or simply to take acounts from unwary n00bs who don't know that the trading process has consequences. You only have to look at the threads every couple of days to see the omg someone stole my account threads to realise just how often this happens.
Finally it is a complete fallacy that the only way to get into high level trackers is by trading. Many of these websites have closed membership and only invite on staff approval simply because they are sick and tired of having invites to the site traded, so it is trading itself which makes joining these sites more difficult. Many of the staff of these trackers are here and at other forums as well and invite users as they get to know them. All trackers want new members even the 'high level' ones, so very simply if you post and and chat in irc you will interact with other members who get to know you these same members will in turn invite you to other communities.

[colyu]

Ok, the main reason why I don't care if people trade is, in my opinion, there IS nothing that is "morally" wrong in trading. People get it into their heads that trading is horrible and the only way to respectfully get an invite is to trade. Well I believe thats just plain wrong. Its just like bartering. Everyone who lived before currency had to barter. So do those people have no morals? And at FST, where everyone's out to get a higher level tracker, look at where all those invites are! Are the in the giveaway section? No. Are requests for them being filled despite 100+ rep? No. The only place they are in is in the Trading section. And if your goal is to get into some high level tracker, well thats the only place to go.

I'm not trying to sound like too much of a pro-trading person, but giveaways just fail when you try to get some high level tracker.

I understand the reasons why some trade, and there are those who do trade in exactly the way you describe, but my main objection with trading is that this currency has unscrupulous 'stockbrokers' that simply trade for the sake of trading.There are many examples here at this forum 4pirates and bakkouka are two that come to mind.
Then of course trading is the thin end of the wedge, with trading comes all the scams and of course invite selling, there are even auction sites around where people bid on invites or accounts.Without trading there would be none of the scamming that goes on around here and at other similar forums and the scammers would be out of a hobby. Just like there are those who say they simply want to barter their invites to get into 'higher level' trackers there are those who are here for the rip, to get one over on others whether it is to get something which has a higher value or simply to take acounts from unwary n00bs who don't know that the trading process has consequences. You only have to look at the threads every couple of days to see the omg someone stole my account threads to realise just how often this happens.
Finally it is a complete fallacy that the only way to get into high level trackers is by trading. Many of these websites have closed membership and only invite on staff approval simply because they are sick and tired of having invites to the site traded, so it is trading itself which makes joining these sites more difficult. Many of the staff of these trackers are here and at other forums as well and invite users as they get to know them. All trackers want new members even the 'high level' ones, so very simply if you post and and chat in irc you will interact with other members who get to know you these same members will in turn invite you to other communities.

I agree that if you get to know people, you will, sooner or later, get an invite that you much desire, and that trackers are sick of invite sellers and traders. But, a lot of people aren't willing to go through all the effort of going on IRC, making friends, and then getting an invite. Look at Houssam for example. He's done a lot of giveaways, got 80 rep, but yet he still isn't in SCT, HDBits, or Elektronic, the ones that he wants, so he's resorted to trading.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that while giving away is the best option, as you said to avoid scamming, at a place like FST, the only way to get into SCT, E*** etc. is to trade. The best a person will get at FST by giving away is probably What.CD, or maybe HDbits.

[aysomc]

I guess what I'm trying to say is that while giving away is the best option, as you said to avoid scamming, at a place like FST, the only way to get into SCT, E*** etc. is to trade. The best a person will get at FST by giving away is probably What.CD, or maybe HDbits.

lol, thats news to me. i didnt even do the whole rep thing and tons of public giveaways, i was just active and expressed my opinions(which made it clear i am against trading and i do give invites away, just usually in private when i find a person that seems deserving) and while i dont want to mention any trackers since they dont want their name thrown around you can see 1 obvious tracker that i am a part of, and yes, i got it through fst and from a fucking admin of all people. if you trade because you think its the only way into high level trackers then there are 2 problems i see, you're wrong about what you think, and you care way too much about a shitty level system. talk to friends about sites and if they say you'd like it, go for it, but dont try to get it just because its uber 1337 level X.

[IdolEyes787]

. But, a lot of people aren't willing to go through all the effort of going on IRC, making friends, and then getting an invite. Look at Houssam for example. He's done a lot of giveaways, got 80 rep, but yet he still isn't in SCT, HDBits, or Elektronic, the ones that he wants, so he's resorted to trading.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that while giving away is the best option, as you said to avoid scamming, at a place like FST, the only way to get into SCT, E*** etc. is to trade. The best a person will get at FST by giving away is probably What.CD, or maybe HDbits.

The problem with your statement colyu is that you fail to understand certain things.

You assume that people are stupid and can't differentiate between the sincere and the self-servicing as in types like Houssam whose generosity really only extends only as far as it benefits them.

You also wrongly assume that just because a tracker is higher on that precious "what trackers are worth list" it is somehow intrinsically better than all beneath it.

But your biggest mistake is that you wrongly assume that making friends is somehow a chore and nothing more than a means to your questionable goals.

[colyu]

Firstly, I never said that making friends was a chore. I've met many people online who I would consider real-life friends, not just half hearted online friends.

Also, I never said, and I hope never implied, that a higher level tracker is better than a lower one. I have been nothing but satisfied with TL and TTi, and have never truly wanted an SCT invite. That is one of the major downfalls of FST that I see, and one that I try to avoid. Some people (I'm not saying most this time) believe that just because a tracker is higher level than an another one, its somehow better. Its not.

The only reason I said...

I guess what I'm trying to say is that while giving away is the best option, as you said to avoid scamming, at a place like FST, the only way to get into SCT, E*** etc. is to trade. The best a person will get at FST by giving away is probably What.CD, or maybe HDbits.

...is that it just seems to me that FST is a futile place to gain a tracker such as BitmeTV or SCT. Of course, aysomc proves the exception, but I do wonder how many people are fortunate like him.

[aysomc]

a lot are, but many of them get what they need and move on. or if they're anything like me they've been told by a lot of people that fst is a waste of time. that becomes truer by the day it seems but i still find some good people here from time to time and help them so for now ill be sticking around. i think they made a huge mistake by removing the community reps, since then it has slowly turned into a bunch of faggoty drama and retards that cant use the search function.