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[respawn40]

seriously.

That's how you're supposed to do it, Funkin.

[Funkin']

My bad than. I was unaware.

[Nemrod]

@Detale: Sorry for giving my opinion when not requested and perhaps offtopic, but there´s a part of your last post that I think needs some deeper consideration.
You say that old Btorrenters gave up or are too busy in their bubbles and don´t teach new ones.
I am in this world since its beginning, I won´t say I am an exemplary user but I do my best and try to follow my sites rules, if I can´t at any given site I simply drop that site. I began to be active here at FST (language was and still is an issue for me), and I must say that every day I am less disposed to give advices and to try to give something of my experience, here at least.
Why?, let´s be honest, you FST staffers are not doing all you can, and in my opinion, should, for keeping this site between acceptable levels of cleaning.
Here, some users are in many cases the advisers, the guardians, not you. It´s like the old days when authorities were useless and people had to defend themselves with vigilantes.
It´s well known that there are a lot of members with several accounts... why is that allowed?, it´s well known that several members who have had a bad behavior and are a liability for Bt community are safe here. I see every other day new users joining this site and under a lamb skin ask for help and advice, three days later you find out that they have more miles in this road than a 57 Chevy. As long as those things are right under your noses and you do nothing, or not enough, you can´t expect to be respected.
I said many times that FST is a micro-cosmos, let´s say it´s like New York, this is so damn big that you can find everything, from the best to the worst passing by the absolutely beauty but useless, and at that point is when authorities make the difference.
Compared to other sites this is still decent, but it´s degrading very fast, I know that some wrong practices won´t ever be eliminated, and I know also that FST is a place that contributes to put some order into chaos, so we could say that in some way FST contributes with Sharing Community, but I am absolutely convinced that you can do much much more without selling your souls to site owners desires. A good and deep cleanup would be a wonderful start point.
I do love FST, I owe this site a lot of good things and only want its best but, maybe I am wrong, to my eyes this site is drowning itself in deep shit (at least BT section, the biggest btw), mainly due to a big lack of maintenance.

[Detale]

I don't think you wanted to handle this "privately" Detale because if that was the case you would ask one of your mod friends to give you the TiT irc and not make a thread asking about it.

You were trying to trigger something from the beginning.

Was I now? So what I am not allowed to use the forum for help like everyone else? I have 3 small kids and so my time on the computer is limited these days. I needed to handle it when I had time, none of my "mod" friends were on line then so I figured I'd ask here. True story. Don't you get that I'm trying to help you, the members here? Whats your grudge?

@Tit Staff why not let me back in the IRC so we can continue this there?

@Detale: Sorry for giving my opinion when not requested and perhaps offtopic, but there´s a part of your last post that I think needs some deeper consideration.
You say that old Btorrenters gave up or are too busy in their bubbles and don´t teach new ones.
I am in this world since its beginning, I won´t say I am an exemplary user but I do my best and try to follow my sites rules, if I can´t at any given site I simply drop that site. I began to be active here at FST (language was and still is an issue for me), and I must say that every day I am less disposed to give advices and to try to give something of my experience, here at least.
Why?, let´s be honest, you FST staffers are not doing all you can, and in my opinion, should, for keeping this site between acceptable levels of cleaning.
Here, some users are in many cases the advisers, the guardians, not you. It´s like the old days when authorities were useless and people had to defend themselves with vigilantes.
It´s well known that there are a lot of members with several accounts... why is that allowed?, it´s well known that several members who have had a bad behavior and are a liability for Bt community are safe here. I see every other day new users joining this site and under a lamb skin ask for help and advice, three days later you find out that they have more miles in this road than a 57 Chevy. As long as those things are right under your noses and you do nothing, or not enough, you can´t expect to be respected.
I said many times that FST is a micro-cosmos, let´s say it´s like New York, this is so damn big that you can find everything, from the best to the worst passing by the absolutely beauty but useless, and at that point is when authorities make the difference.
Compared to other sites this is still decent, but it´s degrading very fast, I know that some wrong practices won´t ever be eliminated, and I know also that FST is a place that contributes to put some order into chaos, so we could say that in some way FST contributes with Sharing Community, but I am absolutely convinced that you can do much much more without selling your souls to site owners desires. A good and deep cleanup would be a wonderful start point.
I do love FST, I owe this site a lot of good things and only want its best but, maybe I am wrong, to my eyes this site is drowning itself in deep shit (at least BT section, the biggest btw), mainly due to a big lack of maintenance.

Your opinion is always welcome with me. You say we aren't doing all we can do, well I think we are giving it our best shot. We are real people with real lives and real problems just like you. Instead of complaining about what we aren't doing why not PM me or get me on MSN and tell me what your suggestions are. Start a thread, get involved, bring something to the table instead of complaining about how things are. What would you like to see here? Poll the members ask them. How do you suggest we do a "clean up"? Become a leader not a complainer man.

[aysomc]

well he isnt staff here... and you are. so its your responsibility to be the leader if you give a fuck, and if you dont care or dont have enough time then leave and let someone who does have the time do the job so its done correctly.

do you see the staff at the better torrent sites sitting around doing nothing or are they constantly involved and leading by example? i realize this isnt a torrent site but the same basic principles apply.

and if this is truly your guys "best shot" then im sorry but your best isnt good enough. maybe not enough time or maybe you just dont care, either way im sure there's some eager and active people here who would bust their balls trying instead of making excuses. and just to be clear im NOT one of those people but i realize that i dont have the time so i stay away from leadership roles and if not having enough time was a new thing, i would do the correct thing and step down.

[stoi]

wow some thread this is lol

i am going to try to keep this short and sweet, as it is 6am and i have not been to bed yet.

I am a CR, now one of the perks of that is that members cannot trade accounts for my tracker (this is not the reason i took CR btw, but it is one of the perks we get), But i have no clue what goes on in these hidden trading sections of FST. Now i have faith in everybody, until they screw me over, so i hope the same rule applies in there as it does in every section, and i do hope its not just blind faith.

Do not worry i wont take somebody elses word if they said they did, i would expect the staff from here own up if they did, but its my fault as i have never asked lol

Are BCG accounts traded in these secret sections?

there you go i just have, and please, the truth.

Ok now that is out of the way, how could you make this place better, well for a start usually when i report a thread, it does get dealt with very quickly, but there was 1 the other month that took 8 hours to get done. so you could be more on the ball with that side.

You could also make a sticky in the trading section, explaining to the noobs, why trading is not the way to go about it, and suggest other ways to them, not an anti-trading thread, just another thread with a different point of view, and take some of blasts post and stick it in there.

I am not going to take sides here, I do not know Tit, I am not a member, but both sides have very good points. But this, why should we do what the trackers want pisses me off somewhat, its not doing what we want, its working together to solve our differences, now i know we can never solve 100% of them, but even 10% would be a start, instead of all this trackers Vs FST bullshit i keep hearing about.

I quite like this place, I quite like most members and staff from here, maybe i am stupid as some tracker staff seem to think lol or maybe like i said before, i just have to much faith in people for my own good, but i am also one of these people that if a tracker says jump, I do not reply with how high.

I will do it my way, if others dont like it, I dont really give a toss, just like they can do it their way, its their site, their rules, not everyone will agree with them, same as on BCG but someone has to make them, and like the saying goes, you cant please all the people all of the time, its impossible.

anyway will cut off there lol i said short and sweet and it was anything but, oh well, wou should all know me by now.

[apextwin146]

respect is indeed earned

some trackers wish to remain out of the public eye. theyre all over this site.
some trackers dont like trading, guess what.
some trackers dislike public giveaways.. what do you know.

and WE are harsh ? I wonder why.

this sites existance, proves the utter lack of espect with wich all trackers are treated.
the fact that we exist gives you no right what so ever to enter, contrary to your own beleifs.
once you realise that, and get over that deluded opinion, then many more trackers might just start to take FST and its people a little more seriously.

we didnt hear him out.. ok not my choice. i was waiting for an answer to a question i posed to him when he got booted. (you do decide who enters your own house right? and what rules are theyre behaviour governed by whilst in your house.. your rules or theyres ? )

how many times have FST been asked to stop plastering sites adresses/full names etc, all over the net?

and they are still here, i cannot understand you lot. you can see with your own eyes that there is no half way point here, you do as you please, and blame your victims when they strike out.

it worries me to be honest. "she had it comming, she was wearing a short skirt" same excuse your using here. wanting something gives you no right to it. the fact something is there to be taken, doesnt give you a gods given right to take it.

im sure that a lot of ppl here are just hoping to get in on something many of us have enjoyed for years. unfortunatly the vocal minority will hold everyone else back. that is a real shame.

takes ten seconds to delete a thread mentioning a tracker that wants no mention made of it in public

takes us weeks to clean up after open invites, public giveaways. we wont ever be able to stop doing that.

if someone is going to make the first step, its going to have to start here, and i dont beleive it ever will.

but good luck changing things over time Detale, you would earn my respect if you ever managed it, i will even appologise for not beleiving you.

and while we are not unreasonable. some things cause to much work to be worth the effort. this place is one of them.
you know we dont want public giveaways and trades, they are here to be seen by all.
so remind me how were the bad guys for treating you, the same way you treat us (with utter contempt) and how much of a problem is the loss of one tracker anyway ?

be little more than a moments inconvinience compared to the damage this place does to so many trackers.

how do you all behave when you enter someone elses home ? do you even knock, the fact there is a building means you can break in? its there so its yours ?

change that attitude, and we might just change ours.
but so few ppl can even grasp that much unfortunatly. instead inventing hilarious replies like the one above my post.

we all started out somewhere, and i never traded, begged, stole, bought an invite, anywhere.
just took a little effort. and a good (far as i know) standing in the community.

some trackers just dont want a part of it, theyre ignored, kinda like some ppl wouldnt welcome you into theyre homes.
i hope that way of thinking doesnt carry over into real life, or if it does, you hail from a country with armed residents.

beleive it or not we can be quite reasonable. but when the same rules are broken over and over, we have to act. and beleive me, id rather be saying welcome, than dealing with bloody cheats and morons. unfortunatly that is life these days, for every moments joy, there are 5 hours of tedious work. cleaning up after yet another person who couldnt simply follow a few rules. and we are all to well aware of the fact, that some of them are indeed our own members. but they get banned too.

TiT - closed private community
FST - open public forum - Its like a Glass house with no doors and no security guards .. Anyone can come in and do what thay feel like within some restrictions ..
Like you have your own rules FSt is also governed by its own rules .. you cant come into somebody elses house and tell them to change their rules can you?
Try opening up ur community and see the shit that spews up in there ..
I for one like the freedom i get here and hence like the place a lot and the same cannot be said abt other tracker forums ..
We all knw the % of staff that actually take out time and explain to users new or old what they have done and what is right or wrong .. Atleast here there is a formal report section in which things are heard in a unbiased way instead of just kick banning ppl which most of the Staff do anyways ..
there are only three mods here which come from different time zones .. You can t expect them to be here online the whole day refreshing the BT section just to chk if some sites URL was freaking leaked .. You cant restrict the members from posting stuff here and then police them around .. If u dont want ur Sites URL to be leaked then make sure you take in only trusted members that wont do such a thing .. Is that expecting too much!!(If u say yes then imagine how many ppl need to be screened here) ..
there is a certain privacy here that we are entitled to hence the MODS do not chk each and every PM we send .. Its imposssible to control the trades that go on in here through the PMs unless staff decides to read each and every PM ..
FST is what it is and sure there is a room for improvement but then the real question is that are the members ready to help the staff to improve this place(if asked).. Can they take out time to do ?
FSt is just a platform for interaction in the end ..

[Detale]

well he isnt staff here... and you are. so its your responsibility to be the leader if you give a fuck, and if you dont care or dont have enough time then leave and let someone who does have the time do the job so its done correctly.

do you see the staff at the better torrent sites sitting around doing nothing or are they constantly involved and leading by example? i realize this isnt a torrent site but the same basic principles apply.

and if this is truly your guys "best shot" then im sorry but your best isnt good enough. maybe not enough time or maybe you just dont care, either way im sure there's some eager and active people here who would bust their balls trying instead of making excuses. and just to be clear im NOT one of those people but i realize that i dont have the time so i stay away from leadership roles and if not having enough time was a new thing, i would do the correct thing and step down.

Alot of words, yet nothing constructive. What are you saying we're doing wrong? What is it we need to do more of? What?? WHen I said my time is limited I meant I spend all my time here.

wow some thread this is lol

i am going to try to keep this short and sweet, as it is 6am and i have not been to bed yet.

I am a CR, now one of the perks of that is that members cannot trade accounts for my tracker (this is not the reason i took CR btw, but it is one of the perks we get), But i have no clue what goes on in these hidden trading sections of FST. Now i have faith in everybody, until they screw me over, so i hope the same rule applies in there as it does in every section, and i do hope its not just blind faith.

Do not worry i wont take somebody elses word if they said they did, i would expect the staff from here own up if they did, but its my fault as i have never asked lol

Are BCG accounts traded in these secret sections?

there you go i just have, and please, the truth.

Ok now that is out of the way, how could you make this place better, well for a start usually when i report a thread, it does get dealt with very quickly, but there was 1 the other month that took 8 hours to get done. so you could be more on the ball with that side.

You could also make a sticky in the trading section, explaining to the noobs, why trading is not the way to go about it, and suggest other ways to them, not an anti-trading thread, just another thread with a different point of view, and take some of blasts post and stick it in there.

I am not going to take sides here, I do not know Tit, I am not a member, but both sides have very good points. But this, why should we do what the trackers want pisses me off somewhat, its not doing what we want, its working together to solve our differences, now i know we can never solve 100% of them, but even 10% would be a start, instead of all this trackers Vs FST bullshit i keep hearing about.

I quite like this place, I quite like most members and staff from here, maybe i am stupid as some tracker staff seem to think lol or maybe like i said before, i just have to much faith in people for my own good, but i am also one of these people that if a tracker says jump, I do not reply with how high.

I will do it my way, if others dont like it, I dont really give a toss, just like they can do it their way, its their site, their rules, not everyone will agree with them, same as on BCG but someone has to make them, and like the saying goes, you cant please all the people all of the time, its impossible.

anyway will cut off there lol i said short and sweet and it was anything but, oh well, wou should all know me by now.

Stoi you are one of the most fair and level headed guys I know. AFAIK I don't even have a BCG acct but you have always been a good guy. I can say that once in a while I will see a BCG acct up for trade I will then delete it and give the member and infraction and shown the accts not to be traded thread, if he does it again he's Dp'd. The sticky thing is a really good idea Im going to work on that. the 8 hour thing I guess no one was on line, sorry.

[Cabalo]

The way i see it, is that people must realize that a place like FST would always need to exist. If All the events that people related before didn't take place here, then for sure someone would go and create a forum just like this.

The fact is that this is internet. And internet is information. So, trying to keep something secret on the internet, is a dantesque task.

and we come to the point where FST is necessary. A forum, open minded as this is, is absolutely necessary to join all the users out there. This is a place for information, that's what it is. but it also provides some adicional services, and those are the controversial ones.

1. i know i will be crucified for saying this, but hiding a tracker's URL as this forum does, is considered censorship. It should be allowed to write them here, period.

now, i do totally understand that FST does this to try to create a better atmosphere with trackers, but they must understand that they are very lucky if a site decides to HELP them and censor their URL. It's just because this is a public forum, and if it wasn't done here, it would be somewhere else. but FST shows a lot of goodwill by doing that.

2. trading. whether we like it or not, it must happen here. FST is a forum, not an extent of the trackers' rules. the day FST goes down that road, it's the beggining of their end.

3. dupe acc/scammers/cheaters. I appreciate posting here and knowing (or supposing) that my IP won't be snitched to any tracker staff kiddie. I totally support the idea that IPs here are not to be handled outside.
But i do support an iron hand on people caught here scamming or exposed as cheaters, going so far as handling their IPs to a shitlist. available to community reps only.

i think that the url filtering, plus an effective iron-hand policy against cheaters/scammers/dupe accounts, would make this forum much more attractive to trackers, and wouldn't be compromising FST's image as an independent forum.

the climate of suspicion that is lived here is becoming unbearable. and i think that is what creates 90% of the harsh replies we read around here everyday (guilty as charged here).
maybe more staff could help, maybe a slight change in rules could help, maybe it would be possible to make tracker's understand that a site like FST will always have to exist.

maybe maybe maybe.................... another post for you guys to poop on.

[cownoodles]

2. trading. whether we like it or not, it must happen here. FST is a forum, not an extent of the trackers' rules. the day FST goes down that road, it's the beggining of their end.

Not so sure it would be the end, why would it ?
Could it not also be a new start ?
a combined effort, does not mean the end of the road.

Cencorship is required everywhere, like it or loath it.
if some perv posts something disturbing like an image or video, and i delete it that is cencorship, its something that cannot be simply moulded to fit your personnal moral outlook. it has to meet a common middle ground of what everyone, finds acceptable.
FST will say, those are OUR rules! live by them.
trackers will say well OUR rules are different so we wont.
untill there is a common acceptance of those rules, a middle ground it will be an endless merry go round.

you know there is a similar site to this one, that has tracker backing right ?
it can work.