Dinner with Obama, a parable

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[j2k4]

Well.

That's all there is to that.

[FleshGregor]

No, dude, you're totally right, we should let those who haven't prepared for the economic meltdown starve in the streets. I like that you added the "bad financial decisions" part, because otherwise, your point would seem exceedingly bourgeois.

Do you think that the majority of people who would be taking advantage of healthcare would be those who have made poor economic decisions? Better yet, do you think they have made poor health decisions?

I saw a guy on the train the other day, he looked homeless, he had a massive cut on his stomach (maybe, 6-8 inches long). It was closed up with duct-tape, but some blood was still seeping out. He's probably dead by now. So much for "at least you have your health."

[j2k4]

No, dude, you're totally right, we should let those who haven't prepared for the economic meltdown starve in the streets. I like that you added the "bad financial decisions" part, because otherwise, your point would seem exceedingly bourgeois.

Do you think that the majority of people who would be taking advantage of healthcare would be those who have made poor economic decisions? Better yet, do you think they have made poor health decisions?

I saw a guy on the train the other day, he looked homeless, he had a massive cut on his stomach (maybe, 6-8 inches long). It was closed up with duct-tape, but some blood was still seeping out. He's probably dead by now. So much for "at least you have your health."

Honestly, I can't make sense of your post; feel free to try again, please.

BTW-

Only certain types of people ever use the word "bourgeois".

Ironic that a perfectly good French word should be sacrificed upon the ash-heap of Marxism.

Or maybe not, whatever.

[FleshGregor]

Why don't you tell me what you're having trouble with and I'll break it down for you.

[j2k4]

Why don't you tell me what you're having trouble with and I'll break it down for you.

You seem to be attributing to me an agenda of sorts, and are suffering coincidental misapprehensions re: same.

Plus you used the French word.

So, sure...break it down for me, brother.

[FleshGregor]

No problem, brother. I feel that by involving the current president and current events in your "parable" you are pushing an agenda. If you had used an ambiguous setting, characters, etc. (like in prodigal son, or Plato's cave, etc.) then you would be creating a reasonable story. However, the way you've presented it, it's more like a prophecy. Even if you don't agree with that, at least admit that you're robbing the reader of getting to "connect the dots" and see the parallels for what they are. Who knows, maybe you just copy and pasted it out of a chain letter, in which case, my bad.

You seem to have an aversion to the word "bourgeois," but lets not get hung up on the little things, I think you know what I mean. My point was only that nobody wants government programs that give money to people who make "bad decisions" or are "lazy." Aside from maybe lacking compassion, that thinking is sensationalistic. I'm not afraid to admit that I think the United States needs some kind of socialized health-care system. It would be really easy to label me a pinko or a bleeding-heart liberal, but I'm not.

I understand the point of the story, we shouldn't slowly give up and divide our wealth because eventually it could spiral into socialism or communism (slippery slope). I think that's a good thing to keep in mind, but in the past, we've slowly given up our rights and freedoms to the government, which can spiral into tyranny. All I'm saying is a lot of people I've spoken to who make the point of the former (your point), didn't make the point of the ladder when it was most relevant, and that feels partisan.

[j2k4]

No problem, brother. I feel that by involving the current president and current events in your "parable" you are pushing an agenda. If you had used an ambiguous setting, characters, etc. (like in prodigal son, or Plato's cave, etc.) then you would be creating a reasonable story. However, the way you've presented it, it's more like a prophecy. Even if you don't agree with that, at least admit that you're robbing the reader of getting to "connect the dots" and see the parallels for what they are. Who knows, maybe you just copy and pasted it out of a chain letter, in which case, my bad.

You seem to have an aversion to the word "bourgeois," but lets not get hung up on the little things, I think you know what I mean. My point was only that nobody wants government programs that give money to people who make "bad decisions" or are "lazy." Aside from maybe lacking compassion, that thinking is sensationalistic. I'm not afraid to admit that I think the United States needs some kind of socialized health-care system. It would be really easy to label me a pinko or a bleeding-heart liberal, but I'm not.

I understand the point of the story, we shouldn't slowly give up and divide our wealth because eventually it could spiral into socialism or communism (slippery slope). I think that's a good thing to keep in mind, but in the past, we've slowly given up our rights and freedoms to the government, which can spiral into tyranny. All I'm saying is a lot of people I've spoken to who make the point of the former (your point), didn't make the point of the ladder when it was most relevant, and that feels partisan.

Actually, it came (however indirectly) from one of my email accounts, wherein reposes a scattering of political stuffs, none of which make the cut here unless they serve a very specific purpose.

The dots are there for any to connect, and, since the target audience is often (I feel) ignorant of the agenda of progressives, I felt it's simplicity would aid understanding.

Not to make too much of it, but perhaps you've noticed some people are positively confounded by any sort of ambiguity; I wished to reach as widely as possible, so I felt it was appropriate to that end.

As to the need to remodel our health-care system, I have given my views here about it's expense and idiocy chapter-and-verse, and I can reasonably say that my one caveat relative to fixing it is that whatever solution is deemed proper not involve the government, because they don't know dick about running anything, including elections.

Funny thing is, I know exactly what's wrong, and I know as well exactly what to do about it.

The thing that is wrong, the only thing that is wrong, is the bloody expense.

My solution is drastic, effective, and stunningly simple, but will never see the light of day because it shares the merit of the age-old idea of simplifying our tax system to the extent one's yearly return could be calculated on a paper napkin; that is to say, it would cost the government one of it's precious bureaucracies.

As to the rest, yes, I have an agenda, but it is not hidden; in fact, I dare say you will not find anyone in this entire melange who is less guileful than yours truly.

Mind, I said less; I will not deny I have at least several equals.

In closing, I will note my sincere appreciation for your civility in posting as you have, and my equally sincere hope you maintain that standard.

By the way-

You mis-spelled latter ("ladder").