Boycott STN (Storethe.net) and Vizz (Vizz.tv) thread

[scrappen]

It says from their website that they'd go to any length to protect their customers.
http://www.prq.se/?intl=1
Given that assurance I'd re-open sign ups if I was them,more people=more money.APB aint gonna do shit if the host refuses to hand in evidence.

prq was started with the motive to host the pirate bay, created and administrated by the very same guys. In other words, prq = tpb. It was later they started offering hosting services to customers. Anyways, the point is that we all know what happened to tpb a few years ago, prq was raided and the responsible guys were prosecuted. So the claim that "APB aint gonna do shit" isn't really true.

[RizKhan25000]

First of all thanks to all those who supported the idea to discourage such sites. By doing this we are actually protecting the other really great torrent sites. We have already lost a few big ones.

To The Scene

All the scene groups should boycott and ban these two site and under no circumstances allow your releases to be uploaded on this site. Ban and restrict anybody doing so. Remember these sites are exploiting your hard work. Remember such sites are a real enemy of the scene as they would necessarily attract all the Govt authorities towards the scene.

The scene generally boycotts P2P and bittorrent trackers because of the reasons you stated. I don't think there's a need to address that.

The scene releases you see on every tracker were leaked and uploaded without approval. It's just that they can't control everyone who has access to their servers.


But of course you're right. Users should stay away from those sites.

Apparently it looks so but deep down there, there is some bridge between the scene and the bit-torrent. If it was not so then sites like SCT, SCC, GFT would not have been possible. Look at the regular great pretimes of these sites. It is not leakage but a planned access to the source. Let us look at this in another way. Let us assume that the scene is not happy with the torrent sites in reality. But why?. Because they feel more exposed due to their releases being uploaded on torrent sites. The worst case is Public Trackers. Now come to the case of STN and Vizz. Both of these are trying to run their trackers like retail businesses. This is an alarming trend. With the success of these sites prepare yourself for a mushroom growth of such sites on large scale overnight. All that activity would generate unwanted interest from many unwanted people and Agencies etc etc. So these are really a greater threat for the scene.

Am I the only one to see the irony here? You should write anti-filesharing copy for the MPAA and the music industry.

The people behind these sites are like thieves, who stole the other people property

Remember these sites are exploiting your hard work.

Thanks for the infractions. I admit the charges were correct and I should have been more careful in my writing. I admit to incite people to publish personal information of such trackers was rather careless.
But the quotes taken from my post by you were presented in your post in a discriminating way. I reproduce them here:-

How on earth one can protect the selling of the products which one has no right to sell in the first place. The people behind these sites are like thieves, who stole the other people property and then sell it.

The words of thieves were not used generally but in context to the sites quoted. If you would take sentences like these from a paragraph without any reference to in what sense they were used then every sentence wrote on this site would seem ironic to you.

And about the scene hard work! i really appreciate their work. These are the people who take risk and who do a lot of hard work in coding, cracking , reversing etc etc. And then people like STN and Vizz come to exploit their hard work and also put them in danger in the process of making some money for their own personal gains.

I don't boycott anything just because someone says so.

I have not just said but gave ample reasons for my saying so if the reason or logic was wrong then prove it or counter it. But if the reasons/logic was correct then why you don't accept it.Are you illogical.

If the sites are shit, I won't use them. I don't/haven't used some good sites just because of habit with others.

If this trend continues I am afraid you would not have the luxury of doing so. Whether the sites are shit or not you would have to use it for some time because you had already made advnace payment for it.

[IdolEyes787]

Am I the only one to see the irony here? You should write anti-filesharing copy for the MPAA and the music industry.

The people behind these sites are like thieves, who stole the other people property

Remember these sites are exploiting your hard work.

Thanks for the infractions. I admit the charges were correct and I should have been more careful in my writing. I admit to incite people to publish personal information of such trackers was rather careless.
But the quotes taken from my post by you were presented in your post in a discriminating way. I reproduce them here:-

How on earth one can protect the selling of the products which one has no right to sell in the first place. The people behind these sites are like thieves, who stole the other people property and then sell it.

The words of thieves were not used generally but in context to the sites quoted. If you would take sentences like these from a paragraph without any reference to in what sense they were used then every sentence wrote on this site would seem ironic to you.

And about the scene hard work! i really appreciate their work. These are the people who take risk and who do a lot of hard work in coding, cracking , reversing etc etc. And then people like STN and Vizz come to exploit their hard work and also put them in danger in the process of making some money for their own personal gains.

I don't see how I took the quotes out of context.How' is this for a generalization, people who file share are thieves , people who operate trackers are greater thieves still and sceners are the greatest thieves of intellectual property of all.
Fuck you make it sound like STN is alone their guilt and the rest of us are just good old boys who have nothing to be ashamed of.

Btw the scene is not an altruistic entity blessing us with it's generosity.There are some seriously bad people involved .Some who would gladly see you rot in Hell if it served their egos and helped move them up the food chain a little.
The scene also as a whole hates file shares and any scener who leaks to a tracker I am fairly confident does so purely with some "personal gain" in mind

While I'm at it here's another out of context manglement for you to stew on.

"And about the scene entertainment industry's hard work! i really appreciate their work. These are the people who take risk and who do a lot of hard work in coding creating, crackingdistributing , reversingdesigning etc etc. And then people like STN the scene and Vizz bt trackers come to exploit their hard work and also put them in danger ( of financial failure) in the process of making some money for their own personal gains.

OK most trackers don't do it for the money but nevertheless can't you see the hypocrisy that you are spouting here ?"

[Bad-Day]

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[BobFromAccounting]

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[sez]

sct needs boycoting if they keep this shit up, month after month

lol I'd go live on a yacht with that kind of income(and its not even end month yet so x2 that ).
Would probably get some playboy bunnies as well and take them with me on a get naked trip to those european countries that only rich people know about(usually with alot of consonants,can't even pronounce them).Its actually what l33+ carders do(but the stories always have a sad ending).

I'd physically follow formula 1 as well G-fiveing from continent to continent just like a real l33+.
I'd also upgrade my dreams to HD and FLAC respectively.

And just to remind myself that its not legal money,I'd use the rest to setup a ponzi scheme possibly in partnership with an NYU graduate whom I hear are darn good at this.

[nethawk]

sct needs boycoting if they keep this shit up, month after month

lol I'd go live on a yacht with that kind of income(and its not even end month yet so x2 that ).
Would probably get some playboy bunnies as well and take them with me on a get naked trip to those european countries that only rich people know about(usually with alot of consonants,can't even pronounce them).Its actually what l33+ carders do(but the stories always have a sad ending).

I'd physically follow formula 1 as well G-fiveing from continent to continent just like a real l33+.
I'd also upgrade my dreams to HD and FLAC respectively.

And just to remind myself that its not legal money,I'd use the rest to setup a ponzi scheme possibly in partnership with an NYU graduate whom I hear are darn good at this.

If you look on the News page on ScT, you will see why they need that money.

[RizKhan25000]

I don't see how I took the quotes out of context.How' is this for a generalization, people who file share are thieves , people who operate trackers are greater thieves still and sceners are the greatest thieves of intellectual property of all.
Fuck you make it sound like STN is alone their guilt and the rest of us are just good old boys who have nothing to be ashamed of.

I think your mind is not clear about the whole filesharing concept. It is beneficial to the society if governed by some morals, ethics and rules.

Btw the scene is not an altruistic entity blessing us with it's generosity.There are some seriously bad people involved .Some who would gladly see you rot in Hell if it served their egos and helped move them up the food chain a little.
The scene also as a whole hates file shares and any scener who leaks to a tracker I am fairly confident does so purely with some "personal gain" in mind.

Thanks for saying so that is the reason I am against STN and Vizz. If you let practices like these to continue freely then one day there would be another IdolEyes on another forum saying "There are some seriously bad people involved in bittorrent." That is ironic you attack bad peoples there but you defend them here.

I agree with you when you say some bad people are there but some very good people are also there. Let us condemn both the bad people here and there. Let us praise the good people of here and there.

While I'm at it here's another out of context manglement for you to stew on.
"And about the scene entertainment industry's hard work! i really appreciate their work. These are the people who take risk and who do a lot of hard work in coding creating, crackingdistributing , reversingdesigning etc etc. And then people like STN the scene and Vizz bt trackers come to exploit their hard work and also put them in danger ( of financial failure) in the process of making some money for their own personal gains.
OK most trackers don't do it for the money but nevertheless can't you see the hypocrisy that you are spouting here ?"

There are some problems in your understanding of this whole file sharing thing. I consider file sharing or sharing any thing with others as a feature of a really developed, exceptionally advanced society. The problem is a lack of understanding and low standards of intellectualism. If you share a file without harming the sales of a particular commodity then actually you are helping the society.I would clarify this by an example.Let us assume a producer make a movie. He achieves his targeted income including income from cinemas and video release. If the same movie is also released on torrent sites there would be additional viewers of the movie without harming anyone. Many people would get benefit but there would be no loss for anyone. But if the realease of the movie on torrent sites actually harms the income of that producer then he has every right not to be pleased with it. Now as a civilized people living in a society it should be our duty to act in a way to not harm that particular person responsible for the making of that movie. If a torrenter after seeing this movie buys it then that is additional income for that producer. If a potential buyer of that movie get it via the torrent sites and don't buy it then this is the loss. Now here comes the responsibility of the people involved in file sharing. We should encourage the users to actually buy the products they liked after viewing or testing it after downloading from a torrent site. In that way we would be actually making positive impacts on the sales of a particular commodity. Let me give you fictitious analysis to clear the idea to you. Take the above example of the movie:-
suppose it has 10000 potential buyers and all of them buy the product. The actual producer would get his targeted income. Now after the release of the movie on bittorrent there would be additional viewers of the movie as it would be provided to them free. Let us further suppose if the movie was not provided to them for free they would not have bothered to view it. Suppose some of these free viewers like the movie and actually buy it. What would happen! ... There would be additional sales which means additional income for the businesses.

If you let people like STN and Vizz to do what they like they would get the money from that bittorrent user who is also a potential buyer of the movie after viewing it. Now these potential buyer would be reluctant to buy the actual product as they would have already paid for it.

I am acually hoping for a future scenario in which educated and good people run the torrent sites and they make attempts to inform their users the necessity of buying the actual products by adopting measure like putting message "Buy it if you like it" on each torrent detailed page or anything like it. They would be actually helping the society in that way. That would lead to greater sales, greater satisfaction for the people who would get greater range of products for free and so on. In that case the surveys and analysis would suggest to the governments and businesses that filesharing is actually beneficial to them and there would be a time when it would no longer be considered as illegal. I think now there should be no doubts in your mind about file sharing.

[sez]

^^ well put.Embracing the spirit of the scene.

[susiserken]

i wouldnt give a dime to those sites..