Vegan Or Vegetarian?

[leonidas]

Originally posted by nigel123@4 November 2003 - 20:33
True, but cows are not what they used to be! A calf would not be able to consume the milk of a let say a frisian cow. If such a cow was not milked, it would die.

Interresting. Are those kind/race of cows very widespreaded?

[leonidas]

veegan is not a diet it is a lifestyle that incorporates diets, as another post rightly pointed out veegans will not wear leather belts or purchase or use any animal produce.

I know that thanks.

would it not be better to lobby unethical companys

Both aren't uncompatible

[TheDave]

Originally posted by leonidas+4 November 2003 - 20:10--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (leonidas @ 4 November 2003 - 20:10)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-nigel123@4 November 2003 - 20:33
True, but cows are not what they used to be&#33; A calf would not be able to consume the milk of a let say a frisian cow. If such a cow was not milked, it would die.

Interresting. Are those kind/race of cows very widespreaded? [/b][/quote]
theyve been bred that way for hundreds of years. y&#39;know those paintings of big square cows. they arent for art thats like a photo showing off he weve fucked cows about, i think they need us now

[LTJBukem]

I&#39;ve been vegetarian for 10 years, as has my brother, and my girlfriend has been for most of her life. We are all healthy and fit. I&#39;m surprised that there hasn&#39;t been anyone else posting in support of a vegan diet.

I once enjoyed reading an essay on the subject by the electronica artist, Moby. He is far, far more eloquent than me on the subject. I hope that everyone will take the time to read it, and if they choose to pass comment, do so as adults and not children.

Originally posted by Moby@ Play
"Oftentimes when I meet somone they ask why
I&#39;m a vegan(a vegan is someone who niether eats,
wears, or uses animal products). Before I list the
reasons why I&#39;ve chosen to be a vegan let me say that
I don&#39;t jusdge people who choose to eat meat. People
make different choices for different reasons, and it
is not my place to judge the choices that other people
make. Just being alive is inevitably going to cause
suffering. But anyway, here&#39;s why I&#39;m a vegan.

1)I love animals, and I believe that a vegan diet causes
less suffering than a diet centered around animal
products.

2) Animals are sentient creatures with there
own wills, and it seems wrong to force our will onto
another creature just becasue we are able.

3)A great deal of medical evidence points to the fact that a
diet centered around animal products is terrible for
you. Animal product based diets have been repeatedly
proven to cause and exacerbate cancer, heart disease,
obesity, impotence, diabetes,etc.

4)A vegan diet is materially more efficient than an
animal product based
diet. By that I mean that you can feed lot&#39;s more
people with grain directly than by feeding that grain
to a cow and then killing the cow. In a world where
people are starving it seems criminal to fatten up
cows with grain that could be keeping people alive.

5)The raising of farm animals is environmentally
disastrous. All of the waste from animal farming gets
washed into our water supply, poisoning our drinking
water and fouling our lakes, streams, and oceans.

6)Vegan food is nice to look at. Compare a plate with
grains and fruits and vegetables to a plate with pigs&#39;
intestines, chicken legs, and chopped up cows&#39;
muscles.

So that&#39;s pretty much why I&#39;m a vegan. If for
some reason you ever decide to become a vegetarian or
a vegan, please do so carefully. Most of our
conventional diets are so meat and animal product
based that when we give up meat we don&#39;t know what to
replace it with. Although a vegetarian or vegan diet
is a million times healthier than a carnivorous diet,
making the transition away from animals needs to be
done wisely. Most health food stores and bookstores
have good books that can help you make the transition
from an animal product based diet to a vegatarian or
vegan diet.

[Gemby!]

be a veggie - vegan is really hard to do

[TheDave]

be normal - stop lying to yourself

[DarthInsinuate]

vegetarian is better than vegan and normal is better than both

if you&#39;re vegan you can&#39;t have milk, which could lead to a calcium deficency and you&#39;ll end up like Samuel L Jackson in the movie unbreakable, maybe - also you can&#39;t have milkshakes, hmm, where&#39;s that favorite food thread?

[Lilmiss]

im a demi - vegetarian, only eat poultry.
have been for 12 years.

i turned when i was 14, and my mum told me i had to eat some form of meat so it was easier to cook for me. i would have turned full veggie when i moved out, but i dont feel as strongly about it as when i was a kid.
theres a food chain for a reason.

i did try eating meat a while ago, and was very ill.
miss bacon rolls and pepperami&#39;s.

[blackhatknight]

Originally posted by leonidas@4 November 2003 - 20:13

veegan is not a diet it is a lifestyle that incorporates diets, as another post rightly pointed out veegans will not wear leather belts or purchase or use any animal produce.

I know that thanks.

You see you started the post with the question i don&#39;t know what to do, now you&#39;ve went and pissed me off lol, i&#39;ll be rawer if you want???

When their are people starving in the world (and i&#39;ve seen it first hand) you are previlaged you have s choice on what you want to eat, most vegiterians make such a strong stand of what is on the scope of things a trivial matter, there is a life and death cycle and your life will inevitably cause death (though hopefully not to other humans), vegitarianism is to me a self indulgence, half assed stance on how placid one is and how immoral the death and ill treatment of animals is,

what i say is if your going to do to do it, do it right, i encountered a tribe one time that did not believe in killing anything, they wore masks over there faces incase they breathed in insects, and swept the path in front of them in case they should stand on and consequently kill anything, if you truly want to make a stand make it, no one, worth their salt, cares about half assed attempts like vegitarianism

After taking in the dietry requirement of vegitarians i am tempted to ask if they would return the favour and make a courtesy call before i attend their dinner for large rare 12 oz steak

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whilst i hope this post is recieved in the tounge in cheek nature it is written on, i can&#39;t do anything about your misinterpretation


EDIT: spelling

[oldmancan]

Vegi is far easier than vegan, so far as time and energy required to maintain a good state of health. Neither diet requires "chemical" supplements or pills. Look into complimentary proteins, as in "Diet for a Small Planet".

I&#39;m a by chance vegi, was cooking for a job, got tired of dealing with meat. Stopped eating it for a couple months, without trying or thinking about it, then got involved with girl (now wife) who was vegi. Haven&#39;t had any meat for 20 years.

Managed to run five marathons in three years, no problems. Then I got the hernia.

Couple of "vegi facts" (don&#39;t know if their true, but vegi&#39;s are always repeating them):

16 pounds of grain required to produce 1 lb of beef.

In the USA, more water is consumed by raising cows than any other "crop" or by people.