Form of government

[sandman_1]

I guess one of the things that irk me is the fact that no one calls these politicians on it when they mention Democracy. No where in the founding documents of this country was Democracy ever mentioned. One quote, from James Madison, pretty much says it all in regards to Democracy that couldn't be truer:

Democracy is the most vile form of government... democracies have ever
been spectacles of turbulence and contention: have ever been found
incompatible with personal security or the rights of property:
and have in general been as short in their lives as they have been violent
in their deaths.

[MagicNakor]

I wonder what would happen if Canada voted for communism?

Fun fact: For several hours in our last national election the Communists held an Ontario riding. It seems they vote in blocs.

[999969999]

I wonder how long it will be until our Democrat party will end the charade and just come right out and start calling themselves Communists?

[bigboab]

Get real. You are more right wing than the Knesset. Compared to this countries politicians your Democratic Party is slightly to the right of our Conservative Party. The only thing to the right of them is the neo nazi British National Party.

[clocker]

I wonder how long it will be until our Democrat party will end the charade and just come right out and start calling themselves Communists?

I wonder how long it will be until you learn what a Communist is.
Oh wait, what was I thinking?
You'll never learn that because facts are simply impediments to your agenda.

[sandman_1]

Please stay on topic...

[megabyteme]

Honestly, I have grown to favor socialism. It seems to meet the modern demands of people. Taxes are high, but the returns to the majority seem to be quite comfortable. Ask any of the Canadians on this board (all of the ones I know anyway) and you will get a picture that is far more favorable than any of the right-wing radio "personalities" will tell you.


Now for something completely different... (Monty Python's Holy Grail, scene 3)

Look up anarcho-syndicalist for an interesting, yet very far fetched form of government. Essentially, it's socialized anarchists.

[clop clop]
ARTHUR: Old woman!
DENNIS: Man!
ARTHUR: Old Man, sorry. What knight live in that castle over there?
DENNIS: I'm thirty seven.
ARTHUR: What?
DENNIS: I'm thirty seven -- I'm not old!
ARTHUR: Well, I can't just call you `Man'.
DENNIS: Well, you could say `Dennis'.
ARTHUR: Well, I didn't know you were called `Dennis.'
DENNIS: Well, you didn't bother to find out, did you?
ARTHUR: I did say sorry about the `old woman,' but from the behind
you looked--
DENNIS: What I object to is you automatically treat me like an inferior!
ARTHUR: Well, I AM king...
DENNIS: Oh king, eh, very nice. An' how'd you get that, eh? By
exploitin' the workers -- by 'angin' on to outdated imperialist dogma
which perpetuates the economic an' social differences in our society!
If there's ever going to be any progress--
WOMAN: Dennis, there's some lovely filth down here. Oh -- how d'you do?
ARTHUR: How do you do, good lady. I am Arthur, King of the Britons.
Who's castle is that?
WOMAN: King of the who?
ARTHUR: The Britons.
WOMAN: Who are the Britons?
ARTHUR: Well, we all are. we're all Britons and I am your king.
WOMAN: I didn't know we had a king. I thought we were an autonomous
collective.
DENNIS: You're fooling yourself. We're living in a dictatorship.
A self-perpetuating autocracy in which the working classes--
WOMAN: Oh there you go, bringing class into it again.
DENNIS: That's what it's all about if only people would--
ARTHUR: Please, please good people. I am in haste. Who lives
in that castle?
WOMAN: No one live there.
ARTHUR: Then who is your lord?
WOMAN: We don't have a lord.
ARTHUR: What?
DENNIS: I told you. We're an anarcho-syndicalist commune. We take
it in turns to act as a sort of executive officer for the week.
ARTHUR: Yes.
DENNIS: But all the decision of that officer have to be ratified
at a special biweekly meeting.
ARTHUR: Yes, I see.
DENNIS: By a simple majority in the case of purely internal affairs,--
ARTHUR: Be quiet!
DENNIS: --but by a two-thirds majority in the case of more--
ARTHUR: Be quiet! I order you to be quiet!
WOMAN: Order, eh -- who does he think he is?
ARTHUR: I am your king!
WOMAN: Well, I didn't vote for you.
ARTHUR: You don't vote for kings.
WOMAN: Well, 'ow did you become king then?
ARTHUR: The Lady of the Lake,
[angels sing]
her arm clad in the purest shimmering samite, held aloft Excalibur
from the bosom of the water signifying by Divine Providence that I,
Arthur, was to carry Excalibur.
[singing stops]
That is why I am your king!
DENNIS: Listen -- strange women lying in ponds distributing swords
is no basis for a system of government. Supreme executive power
derives from a mandate from the masses, not from some farcical
aquatic ceremony.
ARTHUR: Be quiet!
DENNIS: Well you can't expect to wield supreme executive power
just 'cause some watery tart threw a sword at you!
ARTHUR: Shut up!
DENNIS: I mean, if I went around sayin' I was an empereror just
because some moistened bint had lobbed a scimitar at me they'd
put me away!
ARTHUR: Shut up! Will you shut up!
DENNIS: Ah, now we see the violence inherent in the system.
ARTHUR: Shut up!
DENNIS: Oh! Come and see the violence inherent in the system!
HELP! HELP! I'm being repressed!
ARTHUR: Bloody peasant!
DENNIS: Oh, what a give away. Did you here that, did you here that,
eh? That's what I'm on about -- did you see him repressing me,
you saw it didn't you?

[999969999]

Honestly, I have grown to favor socialism.

What a surprise!

[j2k4]

Honestly, I have grown to favor socialism. It seems to meet the modern demands of people.

Here's an idea:

You go try it out for a few years, and get back to us.

[megabyteme]

It's funny how you have both bought into the word as a negative. It makes me picture you guys running to the store every time a commercial comes on television. The highest standards of living in the world (for the masses, not the elite-the elite do VERY nicely here.) ARE socialist countries.

Have either of you truly risen among the social classes in your lifetime? I managed to work myself from (literally nothing) to lower middle-class before my body gave out. I'm 39. I take morphine twice a day for pain, and still can't afford health insurance!

I ask you both, how you can ethically, or intellectually, favor a system (US branded capitalism) that keeps 40% of the population in/below poverty?