The State Of The Union Speech...

[Dr Wily]

232: Number of American combat deaths in Iraq between May 2003 and January 2004

For such a large-scale war this number is still very low. The only wars with lower body counts would be Gulf War I and the Afghanistan war. http://www.va.gov/pressrel/amwars01.htm

501: Number of American servicemen to die in Iraq from the beginning of the war - so far

Considering we invaded and then occupied a country the size of California for 9 months - not too bad.

13: Number of meetings between Bush and Tony Blair since he became President

Wow, is this suppose to be bad? Bush meeting with a major ally and friend on more than one occasion? For shame!

2: Number of nations that Bush has attacked and taken over since coming into the White House

Afghanistan: No longer ruled by the oppressive Taliban regime. Iraq: No longer ruled by the largest mass murderer alive today. GOOD.

16,000: Approximate number of Iraqis killed since the start of war

Proof. Now. Looks as if they lumped civilian and combatant deaths together to inflate the number as high as possible, which would explain the next...

10,000: Approximate number of Iraqi cililians killed since the beginning of the conflict

400,000: number of Iraqi civilians to be found scattered across mass graves in Iraq.

92%: Percentage of Iraq's urban areas that had access to drinkable water a year ago
60%: Percentage of Iraq's urban areas that have access to drinkable water today

By October, 2/3 of potable water was restored and that has only gone up. http://www.cpa-iraq.org/transcripts/200310...merpresscon.htm

32%: Percentage of the bombs dropped on Iraq this year that were not precision-guided

If true, this would the largest percentage of precision-guided bombs dropped for this type of war. You think they'd be happy about this? Nah.

$374 billion: Amount of US budget deficit in the fiscal year for 2003

Actually, it has gone down in terms of percentage to the GDP.

1st: This year's deficit is on course to be the biggest in United States history

Getting desperate now are we? Notice how they use 'on course to be' trying blaming Bush for something which hasn't even happened yet. I could just as easily say that with the GDP growth at 8.2%, the economy is on course to be the biggest in United States history!

1st: The record for the most bankruptcies filed in a single year (1.57 million) was set in 2002

That's usually what happens when one hits a recession.

10: Number of solo press conferences that Bush has held since beginning his term. His father had managed 61 at this point in his administration, and Bill Clinton 33

...and?

$113 million: Total sum raised by the Bush-Cheney 2000 campaign, setting a record in American electoral history

$130 million: Amount raised for Bush's re-election campaign so far

$200m: Amount that the Bush-Cheney campaign is expected to raise in 2004

$40m: Amount that Howard Dean, the top fund-raiser among the nine Democratic presidential hopefuls, amassed in 2003

Do I detect sour grapes over the popularity of Bush and Cheney?

3: Number of children convicted of capital offences executed in the US in 2002. America is only country openly to acknowledge executing children

A 17 year old should be held accountable for his actions. Murder, rape; these "children" aren't exactly newborn babes here.

1st: As Governor of Texas, George Bush executed more prisoners (152) than any governor in modern US history

Okay, so you don't like capital punishment. We get it already.

221,000: Number of jobs per month created since Bush's tax cuts took effect. He promised the measure would add 306,000

So your complaint is that Bush isn't creating jobs fast enough?

80%: Percentage of the Iraqi workforce now unemployed

55%: Percentage of the Iraqi workforce unemployed before the war

No shit, Sherlock. They did disband the entire Iraqi army and the Bat'thist government.

43.6 million: Number of Americans without health insurance in 2002

Nothing really new. You'd be surprised how many Americans don't want to do what it takes to get health insurance.

130: Number of countries (out of total of 191 recognised by the United Nations) with an American military presence

That's way too many. Let's get our boys out and let them change their own diapers for a change.

40%: Percentage of the world's military spending for which the US is responsible

You're welcome.

44%: Percentage of Americans who believe the President's economic growth plan will mostly benefit the wealthy

"45%: Percentage of Americans who believed in early March 2003 that Saddam Hussein was involved in the 11 September attacks on the US" I guess you can hold more validity of one survey of Americans over another as long as it proves your point?

700: Number of people from around the world the US has incarcerated in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba

Oh hand me a freaking Kleenex. But hey, since you're such a humanitarian, how about we let them stay in your neighborhood?

1st: George W Bush became the first American president to ignore the Geneva Conventions by refusing to allow inspectors access to US-held prisoners of war

Captives at Gitmo are not POWs and therefore exempt from the Geneva Conventions.

54%: Percentage of US citizens who believe Bush was legitimately elected to his post

Again, you hold one survey of Americans to be more valid over another. If one survey shows that Americans believe that Saddam had a part in 9/11 then it means they're stupid or naive, but if they believe something you believe such as Bush being illegitimately elected then it somehow makes it truer.

1st: First president to execute a federal prisoner in the past 40 years. Executions are typically ordered by separate states and not at federal level

You mean Timothy McVeigh? Yeah, he was such a nice guy, wasn't he?

35: Number of countries to which US has suspended military assistance after they failed to sign agreements giving Americans immunity from prosecution before the International Criminal Court

Right, because prosecuting US soldiers should be priority number one above REAL criminals such as Assad, Arafat, Mugabe, Saddam, Castro and hundreds of other dictators, terrorists and mass murders out there. Let them pound sand for all I care.

29,000: Number of American troops - which is close to the total of a whole army division - to have either been killed, wounded, injured or become so ill as to require evacuation from Iraq, according to the Pentagon

An extremely disingenuous statistic.

[hobbes]

Dr. Wily,

This is called a "back slapping" thread. All the anti-Bush people gather here and chuckle over a list of statistics. Makes 'em feel all warm and fuzzy.

For those who have been around, this sort of "copy and paste"post falls below the radar of something that merits a response.

Save yourself the research time and laugh at this thread, don't get aggravated. It wasn't intented to be taken seriously.

[Abe]

Stop making trouble.


I am a American and have little faith in Bush.And that one guy who went crazy in a speech ... Dean.... Where the hell do these people come from?


Where are all the good ol presidents that had logic , intelligence and a sence of when and to pull the trigger? Too bad the U.S has the best trained military in the world and these new and future presidents to serve under.

[kAb]

Originally posted by Abe@24 January 2004 - 23:11
Stop making trouble.

Who's making trouble?

He's posting facts.

[Abe]

Personaly I think Clinton should be back in office , the whole sex scandel was taken way too seriously.

Just posting facts about US mistakes from a U.K. news website is asking for trouble.

It's been seen over and over, By Americans too.



EDIT: I'm going to bed I have to work

[echidna]

Dr Wily are you on the campain trail right now?

you seem to not be able to read between the lines
(which is a very bush-like quality)

aside from the hideous waste of lives prez shrub has wrought in his war of deception

he is severly excaserbating the fact that the USA has a debt of

(and still shrub wants to spend more cash looking for the weapons which aren't there)
you're defending shrubs reclessness despite the threat of an extreme disaster of hyper-inflation,
the likes of which will leave weimar germany's experience looking like an adjustment.

You and I both know that the USA can't front that cheque.

PS :: don't kid youself that the rest of the world is at all glad that the USA spends 40% of the military spending,

It will pay you to learn the differences between respect and fear.

[E-squirrel]

Here's a paper on the good coming out of Iraq each and every day since it's all that you liberal assholes seem to focus on is the doom and gloom:

From the Commanding Officer at MWSS-171 to his Marines.
>
> As we approach the end of the year I think it is important to share a
few
> thoughts about what you've accomplished directly, in some cases, and
> indirectly in many others. I am speaking about what the Bush
Administration
> and each of you has contributed by wearing the uniform, because the
fact
> that you wear the uniform contributes 100% to the capability of the
nation
> to send a few onto the field to execute national policy. As you read
about
> these achievements you are a part of, I would call your attention to
two
> things:
>
> 1. This is good news that hasn't been fit to print or report on TV.
>
> 2. It is much easier to point out the errors a man makes when he
makes
the
> tough decisions, rarely is the positive as aggressively pursued.
>
> Since President Bush declared an end to major combat on May 1...the
first
> battalion of the new Iraqi Army has graduated and is on active duty.
> ... over 60,000 Iraqis now provide security to their fellow
citizens.
>
> ... nearly all of Iraq's 400 courts are functioning.
>
> ... the Iraqi judiciary is fully independent.
>
> ... on Monday, October 6 power generation hit 4,518
megawatts-exceeding
the
> prewar average.
>
> ... all 22 universities and 43 technical institutes and colleges are
open,
> as are nearly all primary and secondary schools.
>
> ... by October 1, Coalition forces had rehab-ed over 1,500 schools -
500
> more than scheduled.
>
> ... teachers earn from 12 to 25 times their former salaries.
>
> ... all 240 hospitals and more than 1200 clinics are open.
>
> ... doctors salaries are at least eight times what they were under
Saddam.
>
> ... pharmaceutical distribution has gone from essentially nothing to
700
> tons in May to a current total of 12,000 tons.
>
> ... the Coalition has helped administer over 22 million vaccinations
to
> Iraq's children.
>
> ... a Coalition program has cleared over 14,000 kilometers of Iraq's
27,000
> kilometers of weed-choked canals which now irrigate tens of thousands
of
> farms. This project has created jobs for more than 100,000 Iraqi men
and
> women.
>
> ... we have restored over three-quarters of prewar telephone
services and
> over two-thirds of the potable water production.
>
> ... there are 4,900 full-service telephone connections. We expect
50,000
> by year-end.
>
>
> ... the wheels of commerce are turning. From bicycles to satellite
dishes
> to cars and trucks, businesses are coming to life in all major cities
and
> towns.
>
> ... 95 percent of all prewar bank customers have service and
first-time
> customers are opening accounts daily.
>
> ... Iraqi banks are making loans to finance businesses.
>
> ... the central bank is fully independent.
>
> ... Iraq has one of the worlds most growth-oriented investment and
banking
> laws.
>
> ... Iraq has a single, unified currency for the first time in 15
years.
>
> ... satellite TV dishes are legal.
>
> ... foreign journalists aren't on 10-day visas paying mandatory and
> extortionate fees to the Ministry of Information for "minders" and
other
> government spies.
>
> ... there is no Ministry of Information.
>
> ... there are more than 170 newspapers.
>
> ... you can buy satellite dishes on what seems like every street
corner.
>
> ... foreign journalists (and everyone else) are free to come and go.
>
> ... a nation that had not one single element - legislative, judicial
or
> executive - of a representative government, now does.
>
> ... in Baghdad alone residents have selected 88 advisory councils.
> Baghdad's first democratic transfer of power in 35 years happened
when the
> city council elected its new chairman.
>
>
> ... today in Iraq chambers of commerce, business, school and
professional
> organizations are electing their leaders all over the country.
>
> ... 25 ministers, selected by the most representative governing body
in
> Iraq's history, run the day-to-day business of government.
>
> .. the Iraqi government regularly participates in international
events.
>
>
> Since July the Iraqi government has been represented in over two
dozen
> international meetings, including those of the UN General Assembly,
the
Arab
> League, the World Bank and IMF and, today, the Islamic Conference
Summit.
> The Ministry of Foreign Affairs today announced that it is reopening
over
30
> Iraqi embassies around the world.
>
> ... Shia religious festivals that were all but banned, aren't.
>
> ... for the first time in 35 years, in Karbala thousands of Shiites
> celebrate the pilgrimage of the 12th Imam.
>
> ... the Coalition has completed over 13,000 reconstruction projects,
large
> and small, as part of a strategic plan for the reconstruction of
Iraq.
>
> ... Uday and Queasy are dead - and no longer feeding innocent Iraqis
to
the
> zoo lions, raping the young daughters of local leaders to force
cooperation,
> torturing Iraq's soccer players for losing games, or murdering
critics.
>
> .. children aren't imprisoned or murdered when their parents
disagree
with
> the government.
>
> ... political opponents aren't imprisoned, tortured, executed,
maimed, or
> are forced to watch their families die for disagreeing with Saddam.
>
> ... millions of longsuffering Iraqis no longer live in perpetual
terror.
>
> ... Saudis will hold municipal elections.
>
> ... Qatar is reforming education to give more choices to parents.
>
> .. Jordan is accelerating market economic reforms.
>
> ... the Nobel Peace Prize was awarded for the first time to an
Iranian
>
> a Muslim woman who speaks out with courage for human rights, for
democracy
> and for peace.
>
> ... Saddam is gone.
>
> ... Iraq is free.
>
> .. President Bush has not faltered or failed.
>
> ... Yet, little or none of this information has been published by
the
Press
> corps that prides itself on bringing you all the news that's
important.
>
> Iraq under US lead control has come further in six months than
Germany did
> in seven years or Japan did in nine years following WWII. Military
deaths
> from fanatic Nazi's and Japanese numbered in the thousands and
continued
for
> over three years after WWII victory was declared.
>
> It took the US over four months to clear away the twin tower debris,
let
> alone attempt to build something else in its place.
>
> Now, take into account that Congress fought President Bush on every
aspect
> of his handling of this country's war and the post-war
reconstruction; and
> that they continue to claim on a daily basis on national TV that this
> conflict has been a failure.
>
> Taking everything into consideration, even the unfortunate loss of
our
> brothers and sisters in this conflict, do you think anyone else in
the
world
> could have accomplished as much as the United States and the Bush
> administration in so short a period of time?
>
> These are things worth writing about. Get the word out. Write to
someone
> you think may be able to influence our Congress or the press to tell
the
> story.
>
> Above all, be proud that you are a part of this historical precedent.
>
> God Bless you all. Have a great Holiday.

[Busyman]

Originally posted by 4th gen@21 January 2004 - 07:57
i wonder how long it'll take our righteous american members to try and play down or deny these facts


great post though,

sighhhhhh You're just anti-American so STFU.

btw I am American and Bush can eat shit.

[4th gen]

Originally posted by Busyman+25 January 2004 - 22:40--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Busyman @ 25 January 2004 - 22:40)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-4th gen@21 January 2004 - 07:57
i wonder how long it&#39;ll take our righteous american members to try and play down or deny these facts&nbsp;


great post though,&nbsp;

sighhhhhh You&#39;re just anti-American so STFU.

btw I am American and Bush can eat shit. [/b][/quote]
When I posted that, I had hobbes and j2k4 in mind, not yourself

[Busyman]

Originally posted by E&#045;squirrel@25 January 2004 - 18:24
Here&#39;s a paper on the good coming out of Iraq each and every day since it&#39;s all that you liberal assholes seem to focus on is the doom and gloom:

From the Commanding Officer at MWSS-171 to his Marines.
>
> As we approach the end of the year I think it is important to share a
few
> thoughts about what you&#39;ve accomplished directly, in some cases, and
> indirectly in many others. I am speaking about what the Bush
Administration
> and each of you has contributed by wearing the uniform, because the
fact
> that you wear the uniform contributes 100% to the capability of the
nation
> to send a few onto the field to execute national policy. As you read
about
> these achievements you are a part of, I would call your attention to
two
> things:
>
> 1. This is good news that hasn&#39;t been fit to print or report on TV.
>
> 2. It is much easier to point out the errors a man makes when he
makes
the
> tough decisions, rarely is the positive as aggressively pursued.
>
> Since President Bush declared an end to major combat on May 1...the
first
> battalion of the new Iraqi Army has graduated and is on active duty.
> ... over 60,000 Iraqis now provide security to their fellow
citizens.
>
> ... nearly all of Iraq&#39;s 400 courts are functioning.
>
> ... the Iraqi judiciary is fully independent.
>
> ... on Monday, October 6 power generation hit 4,518
megawatts-exceeding
the
> prewar average.
>
> ... all 22 universities and 43 technical institutes and colleges are
open,
> as are nearly all primary and secondary schools.
>
> ... by October 1, Coalition forces had rehab-ed over 1,500 schools -
500
> more than scheduled.
>
> ... teachers earn from 12 to 25 times their former salaries.
>
> ... all 240 hospitals and more than 1200 clinics are open.
>
> ... doctors salaries are at least eight times what they were under
Saddam.
>
> ... pharmaceutical distribution has gone from essentially nothing to
700
> tons in May to a current total of 12,000 tons.
>
> ... the Coalition has helped administer over 22 million vaccinations
to
> Iraq&#39;s children.
>
> ... a Coalition program has cleared over 14,000 kilometers of Iraq&#39;s
27,000
> kilometers of weed-choked canals which now irrigate tens of thousands
of
> farms. This project has created jobs for more than 100,000 Iraqi men
and
> women.
>
> ... we have restored over three-quarters of prewar telephone
services and
> over two-thirds of the potable water production.
>
> ... there are 4,900 full-service telephone connections. We expect
50,000
> by year-end.
>
>
> ... the wheels of commerce are turning. From bicycles to satellite
dishes
> to cars and trucks, businesses are coming to life in all major cities
and
> towns.
>
> ... 95 percent of all prewar bank customers have service and
first-time
> customers are opening accounts daily.
>
> ... Iraqi banks are making loans to finance businesses.
>
> ... the central bank is fully independent.
>
> ... Iraq has one of the worlds most growth-oriented investment and
banking
> laws.
>
> ... Iraq has a single, unified currency for the first time in 15
years.
>
> ... satellite TV dishes are legal.
>
> ... foreign journalists aren&#39;t on 10-day visas paying mandatory and
> extortionate fees to the Ministry of Information for "minders" and
other
> government spies.
>
> ... there is no Ministry of Information.
>
> ... there are more than 170 newspapers.
>
> ... you can buy satellite dishes on what seems like every street
corner.
>
> ... foreign journalists (and everyone else) are free to come and go.
>
> ... a nation that had not one single element - legislative, judicial
or
> executive - of a representative government, now does.
>
> ... in Baghdad alone residents have selected 88 advisory councils.
> Baghdad&#39;s first democratic transfer of power in 35 years happened
when the
> city council elected its new chairman.
>
>
> ... today in Iraq chambers of commerce, business, school and
professional
> organizations are electing their leaders all over the country.
>
> ... 25 ministers, selected by the most representative governing body
in
> Iraq&#39;s history, run the day-to-day business of government.
>
> .. the Iraqi government regularly participates in international
events.
>
>
> Since July the Iraqi government has been represented in over two
dozen
> international meetings, including those of the UN General Assembly,
the
Arab
> League, the World Bank and IMF and, today, the Islamic Conference
Summit.
> The Ministry of Foreign Affairs today announced that it is reopening
over
30
> Iraqi embassies around the world.
>
> ... Shia religious festivals that were all but banned, aren&#39;t.
>
> ... for the first time in 35 years, in Karbala thousands of Shiites
> celebrate the pilgrimage of the 12th Imam.
>
> ... the Coalition has completed over 13,000 reconstruction projects,
large
> and small, as part of a strategic plan for the reconstruction of
Iraq.
>
> ... Uday and Queasy are dead - and no longer feeding innocent Iraqis
to
the
> zoo lions, raping the young daughters of local leaders to force
cooperation,
> torturing Iraq&#39;s soccer players for losing games, or murdering
critics.
>
> .. children aren&#39;t imprisoned or murdered when their parents
disagree
with
> the government.
>
> ... political opponents aren&#39;t imprisoned, tortured, executed,
maimed, or
> are forced to watch their families die for disagreeing with Saddam.
>
> ... millions of longsuffering Iraqis no longer live in perpetual
terror.
>
> ... Saudis will hold municipal elections.
>
> ... Qatar is reforming education to give more choices to parents.
>
> .. Jordan is accelerating market economic reforms.
>
> ... the Nobel Peace Prize was awarded for the first time to an
Iranian
>
> a Muslim woman who speaks out with courage for human rights, for
democracy
> and for peace.
>
> ... Saddam is gone.
>
> ... Iraq is free.
>
> .. President Bush has not faltered or failed.
>
> ... Yet, little or none of this information has been published by
the
Press
> corps that prides itself on bringing you all the news that&#39;s
important.
>
> Iraq under US lead control has come further in six months than
Germany did
> in seven years or Japan did in nine years following WWII. Military
deaths
> from fanatic Nazi&#39;s and Japanese numbered in the thousands and
continued
for
> over three years after WWII victory was declared.
>
> It took the US over four months to clear away the twin tower debris,
let
> alone attempt to build something else in its place.
>
> Now, take into account that Congress fought President Bush on every
aspect
> of his handling of this country&#39;s war and the post-war
reconstruction; and
> that they continue to claim on a daily basis on national TV that this
> conflict has been a failure.
>
> Taking everything into consideration, even the unfortunate loss of
our
> brothers and sisters in this conflict, do you think anyone else in
the
world
> could have accomplished as much as the United States and the Bush
> administration in so short a period of time?
>
> These are things worth writing about. Get the word out. Write to
someone
> you think may be able to influence our Congress or the press to tell
the
> story.
>
> Above all, be proud that you are a part of this historical precedent.
>
> God Bless you all. Have a great Holiday.

Hey E-squirrel that shit does not directly help

AMERICA

Sure it&#39;s great for Iraqis.
Maybe Bush should try being President of Iraq &#39;cause he sure has not been President of the US.

If you can&#39;t see his agenda to be "closer" to Iraqi oil then you are an automaton for the Republican party. You do not help another country at the serious expense to your own.

His tax breaks helped his buddies and that is all.
Dick Cheney&#39;s former employer Halliburton received a fucking "no bid" contract with kickbacks to Cheney. That stinks of rampant corruption.
There hasn&#39;t been this much lauded job growth which he sold Congress on for the tax break.
His tax break comes at a time when government actually NEEDS money.

I can&#39;t wait until he tries to muscle in on Iraq for some sort of oil rights or "arrangement" and Iraq says, "Oh no that&#39;s ok we don&#39;t need you anymore. You did help us yes but we didn&#39;t ASK for your help. You were looking for weapons were you not?"

Bush is so stupid it doesn&#39;t even seem like the decisions he makes are his own. Just a figurehead of Cheney.