Would It Affect You Directly

[vidcc]

Originally posted by Busyman@1 March 2004 - 23:00
Gotta question.

Would anyone on this forum tell their child that there is nothing wrong with them being gay? Better yet, would you tell them, if you had a boy, "it's ok to boys or girls"?

If the boy was young, let's say 7, and he liked a boy would you encourage this "liking"? I'm not saying sexual because he probably isn't thinking, "I wanna have sex with him".

You know how little boys have little innocent girlfriends.
Would it be the same if he liked boys?

You get the generel idea.

Busyman i don't think that anyone...even a gay couple would deliberatly encourage a child to grow up to be gay. The question has never arisen in my household, but then apart from the usual "daddy where do babies come from" questions, sex hasn't come up very often.
I have always been honest with my children but not over graphical. My 16 year old knows all about sex and has done for a long time, i try to dispell myths and try to encourage him to be careful and respectful. I know that some day (it might have already happened) he will have sex and i don't want him to ruin his life by producing a baby...so i have always been realistic and responsible in my approach. The way i would answer your question is that i wouldn't encourage my children to be gay but i would teach them that being a bigot is wrong.
I don't want any of my children to grow up to be gay but if it ever happened i wouldn't love and support that child any less.
I hope that is a good enough answer for you (i still await your respons re my post about bush wanting to change the constitution to deny human rights to a specific group of US citizens)

[Busyman]

Originally posted by vidcc+2 March 2004 - 13:04--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (vidcc &#064; 2 March 2004 - 13:04)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Busyman@1 March 2004 - 23:00
Gotta question.

Would anyone on this forum tell their child that there is nothing wrong with them being gay? Better yet, would you tell them, if you had a boy, "it&#39;s ok to boys or girls"?

If the boy was young, let&#39;s say 7, and he liked a boy would you encourage this "liking"? I&#39;m not saying sexual because he probably isn&#39;t thinking, "I wanna have sex with him".

You know how little boys have little innocent girlfriends.
Would it be the same if he liked boys?

You get the generel idea.

Busyman i don&#39;t think that anyone...even a gay couple would deliberatly encourage a child to grow up to be gay. The question has never arisen in my household, but then apart from the usual "daddy where do babies come from" questions, sex hasn&#39;t come up very often.
I have always been honest with my children but not over graphical. My 16 year old knows all about sex and has done for a long time, i try to dispell myths and try to encourage him to be careful and respectful. I know that some day (it might have already happened) he will have sex and i don&#39;t want him to ruin his life by producing a baby...so i have always been realistic and responsible in my approach. The way i would answer your question is that i wouldn&#39;t encourage my children to be gay but i would teach them that being a bigot is wrong.
I don&#39;t want any of my children to grow up to be gay but if it ever happened i wouldn&#39;t love and support that child any less.
I hope that is a good enough answer for you (i still await your respons re my post about bush wanting to change the constitution to deny human rights to a specific group of US citizens) [/b][/quote]
First what is going on in this forum. This about the 5th time or whatever someone has told me I didn&#39;t answer a question.

edit: removed comments about reading comprehension. vid.........please just please read carefully man. The answer...to...your..questionnnnn....is on the previous page. Please man work with me here. You&#39;ve already responded. Am I on moderation on something? .

Second, I never said "encourage", I asked specific questions.

[vidcc]

busyman
so does that mean that you accept that as American citizens, homosexuals should have the same rights as hetrosexuals under the constitution ? because you are doing everything in your power to suggest otherwise.
I have already stated that i understand why you feel it&#39;s wrong but at no point have you stated...(that i have seen..i haven&#39;t read every post on every topic) that despite your views, they should have the same human rights.
If you feel they shouldn&#39;t have them (as i believe you feel because of your posts on the subject) then you are as guilty as Bush is of being a bigot.

ok back to the question that you seem to suggest i didn&#39;t answer because i used the word "encourage" (perhaps you don&#39;t have a very big voculary). Firstly at 7 years old a child is still pretty much sexless in urges even if they know how babies are made so it&#39;s not a really pertinent question to the general debate ( you did point it out as being sexless) Unless a child has a parent that is so biggoted that they teach young children to hate homosexuals then a child of that age would have no comprehension of sexuality differences (even then i believe that they wouldn&#39;t really understand why they should hate)... and liking someone ..well isn&#39;t that called friendship? I have some very good friends that are male and i love them as if they were my own brothers, there is nothing homosexual about that. so lets make the child 16 and coming home and saying he/she "likes" someone of the same sex.
Obviously the answer is hypothetical as is the question.
I cannot see myself telling him it is "wrong" however i would sit down with him and talk about why he feels this way and try to steer him in the right direction...at that age confusion is valid. I can honestly say i don&#39;t wan&#39;t my son to be gay but if he turned out that way i would still be as proud and love him as i do now.
i think you said you don&#39;t have children yet, well i do and one thing they have taught me is that there is a very fine line between dictatorship and good parenting and it is too easy to alienate yourself to a child especially when they start truely thinking for themselves. Understanding and reasoning are the best ways to go because it will avoid confrontation and also avoid a child doing something out of spite...i think nearly all of us rebelled against our parents to some degree.
To summise....if a child came to me thinking he/she might be gay and my reaction is just to tell him/her it is wrong then i am not helping that child. All i have done is make the child feel guilty about something that is going on in his/her head. I haven&#39;t stopped the emotion, rather made the child feel worse. Of course i would try to discourage any attempt to act on those emotions until the child was of an age where he fully understood or at least was legally responsible for his/her own actions, just as i would encourage a child to not risk producing a baby.
the question may have been specific, however life is never that simple.

if you feel that many people are unjustly accusing you of not answering their questions perhaps you should ask yourself why you are accusing people of not answering yours. And could the reason be the same?

[vidcc]

added after reading the edit.
you know i do read your posts fully and i do respect your views even if i disagree with them

[Busyman]

Originally posted by vidcc@2 March 2004 - 15:54
if you feel that many people are unjustly accusing you of not answering their questions perhaps you should ask yourself why you are accusing people of not answering yours. And could the reason be the same?

Ok that&#39;s it man&#33;&#33;&#33;

I don&#39;t have a very big vocabulary? Ok I&#39;ll buy that even if it is smartassed.

Once again you don&#39;t have reading comprehension.

1.Who the hell said I was accusing anyone of not answering MY questions?
Where did you get that from? I know ....thin air (obviously very thin).

2. You asked me a question and I answered it. You even responded I might add but then.....asked me too ........answer the question?

3. "Steer him in the right direction"....? So to you being gay is wrong..right?

[vidcc]

Being gay is not wrong even if i don&#39;t like it...the right direction could be ANY direction...there are no hard and fast rules about raising children. i didn&#39;t say one way or the other and i did state that if a son or daughter of mine did turn out to be gay i would be just as proud of them as i would if they turned out to be hetrosexual (which i would prefer)

as to me already having responded to your answer...yes i respond to what you wrote, but i asked again because what you wrote wasn&#39;t a reply to the actual question i asked rather more thoughts on the topic in general....if others are accusing you of not answering questions are they all just not understanding you?

please remember that what you write might not read how you mean it to...we are all at a disadvantage because we can&#39;t tell tone of voice in print and if someone believes you haven&#39;t given an answer perhaps you could re-phrase it for them.
Yes sometimes people don&#39;t have "reading" comprehension, but on the same note some fail to have "writing" comprehension

[vidcc]

extra...

even if i did think being gay is "wrong" i still don&#39;t have the right to deny gay people the same eqaul rights as hetrosexuals

[Busyman]

Originally posted by vidcc+2 March 2004 - 13:04--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (vidcc @ 2 March 2004 - 13:04)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> (i still await your respons re my post about bush wanting to change the constitution to deny human rights to a specific group of US citizens) [/b]

and this was my answer

<!--QuoteBegin-Busyman
I believe that the Constitution was supposed to give rights NOT take them away.
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Seems pretty clear eh?
You proceeded to ask again.

And you talk about "writing comprehension".

I will not revisit this.

[vidcc]

ok don&#39;t let the doornob hit you where the good lord (not that i believe in him) split you

[Busyman]

Originally posted by vidcc@2 March 2004 - 19:29
ok don&#39;t let the doornob hit you where the good lord (not that i believe in him) split you

Cool........ good no rebuttal?

I figured as much once everything was shown again for you.....but then again......

I figured as much once everything was shown again for you.....but then again......

I figured as much once everything was shown again for you.....but then again......


btw, I think Bush is an idiot in more ways then just him trying to change the Constitution. This is just a cherry on the ice cream.

Are you an atheist?