Hamster Coats..

[Busyman]

Originally posted by Wizard_Mon1@2 March 2004 - 13:23
Why shouldn't animals be given the same rights as humans? Are humans really supierior and in what ways? surely they have as much right as anything else on this planet, just because there not human dosn't mean there unequal to us. Just because we have monopoly dosn't mean it is correct. I would use the example of native americans and how unfairely they were treated (some say as animals) in terms of being pushed off thier natural habitat and confined, just because the settlers had more power dosn't mean it was morally correct.

You have got to be kidding me..........

animals should be given the same rights......they are fucking animals.

What are going to get offended if I called them a name. Good lord.

If that's the case Wizard then stop eating meat.

And how can compare a Native American to a squirrel.

Native American's didn't have a problem killing bison.
Lions have no problem killing antelope.

Are humans superior?
....uh...yes.

[Wizard_Mon1]

Originally posted by Busyman+2 March 2004 - 17:42--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Busyman @ 2 March 2004 - 17:42)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Wizard_Mon1@2 March 2004 - 13:23
Why shouldn&#39;t animals be given the same rights as humans? Are humans really supierior and in what ways? surely they have as much right as anything else on this planet, just because there not human dosn&#39;t mean there unequal to us. Just because we have monopoly dosn&#39;t mean it is correct. I would use the example of native americans and how unfairely they were treated (some say as animals) in terms of being pushed off thier natural habitat and confined, just because the settlers had more power dosn&#39;t mean it was morally correct.

You have got to be kidding me..........

animals should be given the same rights......they are fucking animals.

What are going to get offended if I called them a name. Good lord.

If that&#39;s the case Wizard then stop eating meat.

And how can compare a Native American to a squirrel.

Native American&#39;s didn&#39;t have a problem killing bison.
Lions have no problem killing antelope.

Are humans superior?
....uh...yes. [/b][/quote]
Busy, dude I was just playing devils advocate.

But if your gonna answer like that then at least explain yourself, native americans respect animals as they are part of nature and they see them as thier ancestors, so it&#39;s a completely different circumstance.

How are we supierior?

Yes, i do eat meat and i am happy to carry on but there must be a line somewhere that shouldn&#39;t be crossed? Why should some animals be allowed to be treated worst than others?

And if a tree falls on you in the forest does anyone care? [/joke]

[Busyman]

Originally posted by Wizard_Mon1+2 March 2004 - 14:09--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Wizard_Mon1 &#064; 2 March 2004 - 14:09)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Wizard_Mon1@2 March 2004 - 13:23
Why should some animals be allowed to be treated worst than others?

And if a tree falls on you in the forest does anyone care? [/joke]

[/b][/quote]
I don&#39;t know. That&#39;s a question I&#39;ve had.

Cute and cuddly seems to win.

I say eat dog if it&#39;s available.

In some places people eat pussy.

[j2k4]

Originally posted by Busyman@2 March 2004 - 15:14
In some places people eat pussy.

I have been to such places.

Animal lovers, (I am one) please note:

Rights cannot be conferred upon animate objects (animals) incapable of understanding even the concept of same.

To the extent that animals are treated well at all is due to human largesse, and nothing more.

[Busyman]

Originally posted by j2k4+2 March 2004 - 14:32--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (j2k4 @ 2 March 2004 - 14:32)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Busyman@2 March 2004 - 15:14
In some places people eat pussy.

I have been to such places.

Animal lovers, (I am one) please note:

Rights cannot be conferred upon animate objects (animals) incapable of understanding even the concept of same.

To the extent that animals are treated well at all is due to human largesse, and nothing more. [/b][/quote]
The answer I should have gave the Wizard.

......nicely summed and very brief

[j2k4]

Originally posted by Busyman+2 March 2004 - 15:42--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Busyman @ 2 March 2004 - 15:42)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>

Originally posted by j2k4@2 March 2004 - 14:32
<!--QuoteBegin-Busyman

@2 March 2004 - 15:14
In some places people eat pussy.

I have been to such places.

Animal lovers, (I am one) please note:

Rights cannot be conferred upon animate objects (animals) incapable of understanding even the concept of same.

To the extent that animals are treated well at all is due to human largesse, and nothing more.

The answer I should have gave the Wizard.

......nicely summed and very brief [/b][/quote]
Glad to help, B., and thank you.

I&#39;ve been through this one many times.

[internet.weather]

Animals have no thoughts worth sharing and they are not just humans, so they have no right to rights. But that does not mean that humans can be cruel, because that makes them bad humans. Humans can eat meat and wear leather shoes, so why not fur coats? As long as they are not cruel to do it. Then the animals can sleep - perchance to dream, aye there&#39;s the rub, for in that sleep of death what dreams may come ?

[Wizard_Mon1]

Originally posted by j2k4+2 March 2004 - 18:53--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (j2k4 @ 2 March 2004 - 18:53)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>

Originally posted by Busyman@2 March 2004 - 15:42

Originally posted by j2k4@2 March 2004 - 14:32
<!--QuoteBegin-Busyman

@2 March 2004 - 15:14
In some places people eat pussy.

I have been to such places.

Animal lovers, (I am one) please note:

Rights cannot be conferred upon animate objects (animals) incapable of understanding even the concept of same.

To the extent that animals are treated well at all is due to human largesse, and nothing more.

The answer I should have gave the Wizard.

......nicely summed and very brief

Glad to help, B., and thank you.

I&#39;ve been through this one many times. [/b][/quote]
So is that it then end of discussion j2k4 said his piece and thats it.

Yes, i know it is humans that convey rights and that animals cannot understand them. Just because animals don&#39;t have the same developed traits as humans does not mean they arn&#39;t worth considering. Animals have developed charicteristics that suit thier surroundings and if we then change there environment because it suits us arn&#39;t we out of line. If you take whats happened to bears, as weve destroyed thier home they have moved closer to the city which they are no way near well apapted for, is it our right to do this to them because we are human and we are the best?

[Busyman]

Originally posted by Wizard_Mon1+2 March 2004 - 19:09--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Wizard_Mon1 @ 2 March 2004 - 19:09)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>

Originally posted by j2k4+2 March 2004 - 18:53--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (j2k4 &#064; 2 March 2004 - 18:53)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>

Originally posted by Busyman@2 March 2004 - 15:42

Originally posted by j2k4@2 March 2004 - 14:32
<!--QuoteBegin-Busyman

@2 March 2004 - 15:14
In some places people eat pussy.

I have been to such places.

Animal lovers, (I am one) please note:

Rights cannot be conferred upon animate objects (animals) incapable of understanding even the concept of same.

To the extent that animals are treated well at all is due to human largesse, and nothing more.

The answer I should have gave the Wizard.

......nicely summed and very brief

Glad to help, B., and thank you.

I&#39;ve been through this one many times. [/b]

So is that it then end of discussion j2k4 said his piece and thats it.

Yes, i know it is humans that convey rights and that animals cannot understand them. Just because animals don&#39;t have the same developed traits as humans does not mean they arn&#39;t worth considering. Animals have developed charicteristics that suit thier surroundings and if we then change there environment because it suits us arn&#39;t we out of line. If you take whats happened to bears, as weve destroyed thier home they have moved closer to the city which they are no way near well apapted for, is it our right to do this to them because we are human and we are the best? [/b][/quote]
<!--QuoteBegin-Busyman
2. The animal is grossly overpopulated (which is an entirely different topic (pushing animals further back from their natural habitat)).[/quote]

[Wizard_Mon1]

Why is that we get to descide whether another species is over populated? I mean we don&#39;t go and kill other humans when there is over population.

Busy i don&#39;t really understand that post from the way it is worded so i interprated it, could you explain further?