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    Originally posted by j2k4@19 April 2004 - 14:17

    Thomas Sowell
     
    Goodbye to Sara and Benjamin?

    RECENTLY A COUPLE of dear friends visited us, bringing with them their six-year-old twins, Sara and Benjamin. These are some of the loveliest children you could meet -- not just in appearance, but in their behavior.

    They are the kinds of kids you can see in Norman Rockwell paintings, but less and less in the real world.

    Now Sara and Benjamin are going off to public school and it is painful to imagine what they might be like a year from now. Most people are unaware how much time and effort the public schools -- and some private schools -- are putting into undermining the values and understanding that children were taught by their parents and re-orienting them toward the avant-garde vision of the world that is fashionable in the educational establishment.

    Today's educators believe it is their job to introduce children like Sara and Benjamin to sex when and in whatever manner they see fit, regardless of what the children's parents might think. Raw movies of both heterosexuals and homosexuals in action are shown in elementary schools.

    Weaning children away from their parents' influence in general is a high priority in many schools. Children sit in what is called a "magic circle" and talk about all sorts of personal things, with the rule being that they are not to repeat any of these things to anyone outside this magic circle.

    Sometimes they are explicitly told not to repeat what is said to their parents.

    Some handbooks for teachers warn against letting parents know the specifics of what is being done and provide strategies for side-stepping parental questions and concerns. Glowing generalities and high-sounding names like "gifted and talented" programs conceal what are nothing more than brainwashing operations to convert the children from their parents' values to the values preferred by educational gurus.

    Right and wrong are among the earliest targets of these programs. "There is no 'right' way or 'right' age to have life experiences," one widely used textbook says. Another textbook tells children that they may listen to their parents "if you are interested in their ideas." But, if there is a difference of opinion, parent and child alike should see the other's point of view "as different, not wrong."

    Sara and Benjamin are only six years old and are going into the first grade. Will any of this apply to them? Yes. There is a textbook designed for children ranging from pre-school to the third grade, which tells children about their rights and about asserting those rights to parents. Whenever "things happen you don't like," you have "the right to be angry without being afraid of being punished" it says.

    In other words, don't take any guff off mommy and daddy. Who are they? As another textbook says, parents are just "ordinary people with faults and weaknesses and insecurities and problems just like everyone else." In many of the textbooks, movies and other material used in schools, parents are depicted as old-fashioned people who are out of touch and full of hang-ups.

    What these smug underminers of parents fail to understand is that the relationship of a child to his or her parents is the most extraordinary relationship anyone is likely to have with another human being. No one else is likely to sacrifice so much for another person's well-being. If the avant-garde ideas taught to children in schools blow up in their faces, it is the parents who will be left to pick up the pieces, not the glib gurus.

    Most of the classroom teachers who carry out such educational fashions and fetishes have no idea where they originated or what their underlying purpose is. In reality, many of the techniques and strategies used to break down the child's values, personality and modesty are straight out of totalitarian brainwashing practices from the days of Stalin and Mao.

    That is the origin, for example, of the personal journals that children are required to keep in schools all across the United States. These journals are not educational. Gross mistakes in spelling, grammar and usage are ignored, not corrected. These journals are gateways to the psyche and the first step in manipulating little minds.

    As our friends departed and went off to enroll their children in the public schools, I could not help wondering if I had seen Sara and Benjamin for the last time. Would they still be the same sweet children after they have been used as guinea pigs by those who claim to be trying to educate them?
    I must be living in a different United States.

    My son - who has attended public schools - will graduate high school this year, so it is with some experience that I can say the above article is histrionic right-wing bullshit. Not a single statement is backed by anything resembling fact.




    P.S.: My favorite quote: "Gross mistakes in spelling, grammar and usage are ignored, not corrected." Sounds like they're talking about the KL Board.

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    Originally posted by B.Helto@19 April 2004 - 09:13
    I must be living in a different United States.

    My son - who has attended public schools - will graduate high school this year, so it is with some experience that I can say the above article is histrionic right-wing bullshit. Not a single statement is backed by anything resembling fact.


    P.S.: My favorite quote: "Gross mistakes in spelling, grammar and usage are ignored, not corrected." Sounds like they're talking about the KL Board. 
    It is possible you are living in a different United States.

    These methodologies see the light of day mainly in urban areas, but how much you see of these types of things depends on exactly where you are.

    Much of this "enlightened" schooling takes place in the elementary levels; when it comes to high school, they are manifested in course material, and omission, rather than commission, becomes the order of the day.

    Were/are you in the habit of auditing his courses?

    I did it with both of my kids; it really put a kink in the day's lessons, I'll tell you.

    Don't assume you have an accurate picture of what goes on in your son's school, in any case.

    Perhaps you'd be so kind as to reproduce your son's transcript so we might see what his course load was?

    Bet there's a few things other than the 3 Rs on it.

    Feel free to obscure his grades, as they are not the business of this board.

    BTW-It is my experience that those who go 'round pronouncing on "histrionic right-wing bullshit" wouldn't recognize the left-wing equivalent if it bit them on the ass.
    "Researchers have already cast much darkness on the subject, and if they continue their investigations, we shall soon know nothing at all about it."

    -Mark Twain

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    I'll try to answer...


    These methodologies see the light of day mainly in urban areas, but how much you see of these types of things depends on exactly where you are.

    - I live in an urban area.

    Much of this "enlightened" schooling takes place in the elementary levels; when it comes to high school, they are manifested in course material, and omission, rather than commission, becomes the order of the day.

    - Nothing described in your article as "enlightened schooling" took place in either. You're not the only parent that has taken an active interest in your children's education.

    Were/are you in the habit of auditing his courses?

    - Yes

    Don't assume you have an accurate picture of what goes on in your son's school, in any case.

    - A very condescending remark. Since I disagree with you, that must mean that I don't have an accurate picture of what goes on.

    Perhaps you'd be so kind as to reproduce your son's transcript so we might see what his course load was?

    - That's funny. The article you posted contains loads of wild claims and conjecture with absolutely nothing to back it up with, yet you want me to post transcripts. We're not going there.

    BTW-It is my experience that those who go 'round pronouncing on "histrionic right-wing bullshit" wouldn't recognize the left-wing equivalent if it bit them on the ass.

    - Another condescending statement.
    I call it as I see it. If you post an article that contains claims of "raw movies of both heterosexuals and homosexuals... [shown] in elementary schools", "brainwashing operations " and "smug underminers of parents " without citing one single verifiable example, I'm gonna call it bullshit.

    Regardless, the proof is in the results. My son has had some pretty amazing teachers (and a few bad ones), his values show no sign of being "undermined". No avante-garde vision of the world, "secret circles" or alien abductions to speak of.

    So what should I believe - my own first-hand experience, or a right-wing rant against liberalism in public schools?

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    I will apologize for any offense; your phrasing put me off.

    Mr Sowell wrote a column with anecdotal information; columns are opinion pieces, not presented as proof, though this fact does not preclude the truth of his assertions.

    I take it you disbelieve such things exist/occur?

    I would undertake to offer other information as proof if you don't believe it exists.

    For now, though, I must adjourn in pursuit of my daily bread.
    "Researchers have already cast much darkness on the subject, and if they continue their investigations, we shall soon know nothing at all about it."

    -Mark Twain

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    I have 2 kids, a boy of 8 and a girl of 11. They are both well behaved most of the time. I have resorted to a smack from time to time, particularly when they were younger and reasoning was not an option. They are not afraid of me, they are not abused. Corporal punishment is rarely if ever an option nowadays, those days are done. Now they can be reasoned with, they know what is right and wrong. Of course, its a shame that they have to attend school with other kids who don't seem to understand these basic principles.

    It also appears that there are a lot of kids that are given little or no guidance in behaviour. Not just a few, but lots...this worries me for the future, when the 'nice' kids are the ones that are in the minority. Of course, what this really means for us adults is that when the day comes that we need to be cared for, the generation with that responsibility will have no concept of anything other than self, self, self.

    Personal development is important, but so is personal responsibility. There seems to be a growing culture of blame whereby people are allowed to divorce responsibility for their actions to the state or their parents or their school or whatever.

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    it’s an election with no Democrats, in one of the whitest states in the union, where rich candidates pay $35 for your votes. Or, as Republicans call it, their vision for the future.

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