Liberals Fuck You If You Don't Vote Conservative

[fred devliegher]

It is in plain text in the pentateuch, in the laws God gave Moses for Israel, I don't know how much farther back you need to go.

Feel free to follow every rule in the Bible to the letter. Mind you, you'd have to kill yourself for wearing clothes made from two different animals, so I don't know how long you'd last...

I'd say it's more important to follow the spirit of the book and make this rock a better place, then to get bogged down in hatred and petty, outdated rules... but that's just me.

[j2k4]

Originally posted by fred devliegher@15 August 2004 - 12:58
I'd say it's more important to follow the spirit of the book and make this rock a better place, then to get bogged down in hatred and petty, outdated rules... but that's just me.

Fred-

Believe me when I say I'm not choosing you off here, but how exactly does one go about discerning the "spirit" of that particular book, and likewise how do you determine which of it's "rules" connote "hatred", or are "petty" and/or "outdated"?

[fred devliegher]

but how exactly does one go about discerning the "spirit" of that particular book,

If by "book", we mean "old and new testament", then I would focus on what was said by Jesus - a message of tolerance, forgiveness, and embracing those who break religious law rather then push them away.

and likewise how do you determine which of it's "rules" connote "hatred", or are "petty" and/or "outdated"?

"Hatred" would be those regulations that punish people for acting out of love for one another (eg homosexulaity). I like to think everyone should be able to interpret the message as they wish (for you cannot believe what you are forced to believe).

"Petty" and "outdated" as in, "no longer valid in modern society" - eg espousing one's brother-in-law to ensure offspring.

[spinningfreemanny]

Your true in ideology and no one here that I know of harbors "hatred" for homosexuals

well; we still have gays like they did then; I don't see how its invalid.

[j2k4]

Originally posted by fred devliegher@15 August 2004 - 15:10

and likewise how do you determine which of it's "rules" connote "hatred", or are "petty" and/or "outdated"?

"Hatred" would be those regulations that punish people for acting out of love for one another (eg homosexulaity). I like to think everyone should be able to interpret the message as they wish (for you cannot believe what you are forced to believe).

"Petty" and "outdated" as in, "no longer valid in modern society" - eg espousing one's brother-in-law to ensure offspring.

Have you any other examples of biblically espoused hatred?

Do you feel "hatred" imbues the Bible to a greater extent?

Likewise, I would be interested to hear more about "outdated" rules or messages.

[longboneslinger]

Sigh, pardon me for not goining back and overusing the quote tags again. I"m just to tired. As for the rest, before everyone starts typing you might try reading. I never once said that I hate anyone. I dont. I don't judge the person, I judge their actions. We make judgements every day. Do I drink Coke or Pepsi, take a left for a short cut or go straight, should I call in sick since I feel bad or go to work, is that person telling me what I think egotistical or just judgemental...or just mental? God said not to judge the person.

I haven't cast stones, just disagreed with some choices some have made. I disagree with abortion. So sue me. I disagree with homosexuality. Sue me again then talk to God about how his Word is just rules for the mid-ages. Again, maybe He will change the world to suit you and yours. It's His call. I never said that if you disagree with me you'll go to Hell or some other hot city, just that I disagree with you. Personally, I think that His Word is set in stone. If He said it's wrong, it's wrong. Going to a different church to hear it a different way won't change that no matter what you or I believe. As my dear departed dad told me many, many times: "You can believe you can fly, but you'll probably change yer mind somewhere between the last step and the ground. Lifes kinda like that, son. God hopes you'll see the Truth before you leap cuz it's a bit to late when you hit the ground. God's patient, but you only got so many years before you run outa time. Better make the right choice somewhere between leap and splat."

Now for the rest of your post, it's to long and I'm to tired to go point to point. Kerry served 4 months. Whoooy. He finagled 3 purple hearts for bandade scratches and hauled ass. Real courageous. The only dif between him an Bush is that Kerry couldn't ger out like W. so he lied to get hearts so he could chicken shit out. My dad served in WW2 with 2 purple hearts. He was offered a chance to go home but he stayed. 3 years till the end of the war. Why? He loved his country. All the people who served with Kerry are not with him. Damn near 200 are against him. One was the machingunner on his swift boat. No, swiftvets are not Rep backed, believe it or not.

For the rocord, I have repeated that I am NOT Republican. I am an Independant Conservative and a patriot. Yes, conservative. I want to see my country return to the strong moral foundation that made Her great. Not rampant individualism. We might not succeed together but we can damn sure fail together. Not 'Moral Relativism' and socialism. After several decades of those 2 choices, I think it's obvious that they are a total failure. America is rotting from within. You see my friends, there are several steps in a democracy, or democratic republic, if you prefer. This is a quote so I'm sorry if I don't get it perfect.
Bondage to great courage.
Great courage to freedom.
Freedom to abundance.
Abundance to complacency.
Complacency to apathy.
Apathy to dependence.
Dependence to bondage.

In closing,we are in the stage of apathy now. Do what you want, who cares. The Bible disagrees, find a new church. We are headed fast towards full scale dependence. Most vote for whoever promises the most handouts. By the by, did you know that Dems are just as rich as Reps? Both pretend to be for 'the little man' and both have no idea who he is.

Later,
BoNe

PS-Spam, I not a pedophile, in the closet or otherwise. Since my spat with alexh, I'll avoid a kneejerk reaction and assume that that was some half assed attempt at humor. Though God knows that 'assume' is the mother of all fuckups.
I am not amused. If you are, you have my sympathy.

[Busyman]

Originally posted by longboneslinger@16 August 2004 - 20:30
For the rocord, I have repeated that I am NOT Republican. I am an Independant Conservative and a patriot. Yes, conservative. I want to see my country return to the strong moral foundation that made Her great.

I am against homosexuality as well.

1. Do you think the sodomy law was unjust?

2. If abortion is unjust do you also think "pulling out" is as well?

3. What are your thoughts on the "morning after pill?

4. If every woman that is pregnant is to have their child, do you think they should be forced to take care of him/her?

5. If a child is going to be born deformed are you still against abortion?

6. Should a child be aborted to save the mother if the child will be born healthy?

7. Do agree with homosexual civil unions?

8. What are we supossed to do with/to homosexuals?

9. Are homosexuals born that way or do they "learn" the lifestyle?

10. Should prospective parents be allowed to adopt outside the US when there are plenty of unadopted naturalized babies?

11. Do you think slavery helped make this country great?

[spinningfreemanny]

lol, Where did that last question come from?

[vidcc]

Originally posted by longboneslinger@16 August 2004 - 18:30

I haven't cast stones, just disagreed with some choices some have made. I disagree with abortion. So sue me. I disagree with homosexuality. Sue me again then talk to God about how his Word is just rules for the mid-ages. Again, maybe He will change the world to suit you and yours. It's His call. I never said that if you disagree with me you'll go to Hell or some other hot city, just that I disagree with you. Personally, I think that His Word is set in stone. If He said it's wrong, it's wrong. Going to a different church to hear it a different way won't change that no matter what you or I believe. As my dear departed dad told me many, many times: "You can believe you can fly, but you'll probably change yer mind somewhere between the last step and the ground. Lifes kinda like that, son. God hopes you'll see the Truth before you leap cuz it's a bit to late when you hit the ground. God's patient, but you only got so many years before you run outa time. Better make the right choice somewhere between leap and splat."

what would you suggest athiest like myself do ?

I argue for the well being of man far more than many of the people on this board that have religion.

I believe that we should have the right to live our lives as we see fit as long as that choice doesn't infinge on the freedom of others.
In my wish to impose freedom and equality on the individual am i somehow against god because i don't discriminate as to the people that should have freedom and equality?


p.s. if i thought i could fly i would try to take off from the ground...so no splat for me

[Busyman]

Originally posted by spinningfreemanny@16 August 2004 - 21:56
lol, Where did that last question come from?

Busyman?