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[j2k4]

Originally posted by spinningfreemanny@15 August 2004 - 12:11
Hole-ley crap, they do exist, and in a more vocal number then thought. Its probably easier to find a gay conservative then a pro life liberal...

Surely.

The gay Republicans have their Log Cabin group; they are quite numerous.

The media doesn't even have a broad brush for people like our J'Pol.

He's an anomaly, an anachronism, a renaissance man!

He's J'Pol!

Would that all "liberals" were similarly built; we'd have a return to reason, I think.

[vidcc]

I find it interesting that the people that are probably "liberal" by our definition are the ones that gave a direct answer and said they would vote for the homosexual...and yet the ones that could be labled "conservative" have chosen not to make a choice.

I would always go with the policies so i vote for the homosexual

[j2k4]

Originally posted by vidcc@15 August 2004 - 14:33
I find it interesting that the people that are probably "liberal" by our definition...

Who is this "Our" you speak of, vid?

I am sure you and I have a different understanding of what constitutes a "liberal".

You are correct in assuming I haven't voted in your poll, but it is because I find such attempts to gauge public sentiment overly simplistic.

If, for example, you had added to your poll a caveat to the effect that "Neither of the candidate's lifestyles would impact their political actions and conduct in any way so as to constitute a difference between them", then we can talk about my voting in your poll.

[vidcc]

Originally posted by j2k4@15 August 2004 - 13:49

If, for example, you had added to your poll a caveat to the effect that "Neither of the candidate's lifestyles would impact their political actions and conduct in any way so as to constitute a difference between them", then we can talk about my voting in your poll.

Ok i thought i cleared that up with this

The question makes no leaning to any moral wrong doing


the question is 2 candidates....no other circumstances than those in the question.

it was a simple question. It doesn't need to be complicated. You have their policies and the % of which you agree.
i get the impression that you feel that non hetrosexuality would be a unbeneficial to the way the candidate carries out his job.

however you may add your sentence if it helps you answer.

[J'Pol]

I am and always have been of the opinion that Our Lord preached socialism. His whole attitude towards not amassing wealth, sharing, giving to the needy etc is all very straightforward to my simple viewpoint. The chap was a socialist and taught his deciples to be the same.

As such I chose to follow His lead from both a spiritual and political perspective.

I believe this makes me part of the Religious Left.

I also come from good working class carpentry stock, which probably helps with my empathy. In fact thinking about it I also come from stock who were forced to flee their homeland as a direct result of an occupying force.

Where we really part company is that I am only able to turn apple into water and have never been able to master the Cana thing.

[j2k4]

Originally posted by vidcc@15 August 2004 - 15:05
it was a simple question. It doesn't need to be complicated. You have their policies and the % of which you agree.
i get the impression that you feel that non hetrosexuality would be a unbeneficial to the way the candidate carries out his job.

J'Pol-

I can turn any number of things into water.

Perhaps a bit more practice?

Simple questions don't require additional qualification, vid.

In any case, if said homosexual candidate ran for office and the sum total of my disagreement with him was due to his promise to pursue a pro-gay agenda, I'm sorry, he cannot have my vote, because I'd object to my representative wearing his sexuality on his political sleeve.

That said, my answer to your question (clarified by my addition) would be yes, I'd vote for a gay candidate.

[vidcc]

honest answer J2...however......

I'd object to my representative wearing his sexuality on his political sleeve.

does this stand the same if the hetrosexual candidate "wears his sexuality on his political sleeve"?.
I feel fully justified in asking this one because you have asked several times on various threads if i am able to apply my thinking to boths "sides"


BTW what is a "pro gay" agenda?

To me there is no "pro gay" agenda, all they want is equal rights...however there definately is an "anti gay" agenda

[J'Pol]

Originally posted by j2k4+15 August 2004 - 22:06--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (j2k4 @ 15 August 2004 - 22:06)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-vidcc@15 August 2004 - 15:05
it was a simple question. It doesn&#39;t need to be complicated. You have their policies and the % of which you agree.
i get the impression that you feel that non hetrosexuality would be a unbeneficial to the way the candidate carries out his job.

J&#39;Pol-

I can turn any number of things into water.

Perhaps a bit more practice?

Simple questions don&#39;t require additional qualification, vid.

In any case, if said homosexual candidate ran for office and the sum total of my disagreement with him was due to his promise to pursue a pro-gay agenda, I&#39;m sorry, he cannot have my vote, because I&#39;d object to my representative wearing his sexuality on his political sleeve.

That said, my answer to your question (clarified by my addition) would be yes, I&#39;d vote for a gay candidate. [/b][/quote]
j2,

Bloody good point.

We must weight the areas of agreement / disagreement.

If the 10% you disagree with is of critical importance to you then the 90% agreement matters not one jot. We must not consider only that with which we agree , we must also consider the areas on which we disagree and how important they are to us.

So if the chap with the 80 % agreement disagrees on trivial matter then they matter not one jot. Particularly if the chap with whom we agree 90% disagrees on a major issue.

It really isn&#39;t that simple a question as it stands. Thanks for removing the metaphorical scales old bean.

[j2k4]

Originally posted by vidcc@15 August 2004 - 16:17
does this stand the same if the hetrosexual candidate "wears his sexuality on his political sleeve"?.
I feel fully justified in asking this one because you have asked several times on various threads if i am able to apply my thinking to boths "sides"


BTW what is a "pro gay" agenda?

I have never had a heterosexual introduce him/herself by offering sexual orientation as a defining trait, however I have had gays introduce themselves and immediately announce their sexual status; I&#39;m sure that this phenomenon is borne of a felt need to "get that out in the open" owing to historical prejudice.

Just the same, I always wished they&#39;d defer passing along that particular bit of information, because normal everyday social intercourse certainly doesn&#39;t demand it.

As to the question of a "Pro-Gay" agenda:

Such things as hate-crimes legislation (which, let&#39;s be honest, are driven mainly by Black/Gay interests) I regard as an effort to set apart certain sections of society for special treatment.

I say if they want equality, they should have it, and so should heteros.

The more time spent legislating compensatory laws and punishments, the more time is spent perpetuating the problem.

[j2k4]

Originally posted by J&#39;Pol@15 August 2004 - 16:40

It really isn&#39;t that simple a question as it stands. Thanks for removing the metaphorical scales old bean.

You&#39;re welcome, and that is why polls are, in the main, untrustworthy.

There is literally no greater tool for creating and/or reinforcing SPIN.

My opinion, of course.