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    I saw this and thought it might be relevant to your chicken hawk discussion
    The guardian did an article today on Siegfried Sassoon (British War poet during WW1), because an early war work of his has recently been discovered:

    Because We Are Going


    Because we are going from our wonted places

    To be task-ridden by one shattering Aim,

    And terror hides in all our laughing faces

    That had no will to die, no thirst for fame,

    Hear our last word. In Hell we seek for Heaven;

    The agony of wounds shall make us clean;

    And the failures of our sloth shall be forgiven

    When Silence holds the songs that might have been,

    And what we served remains, superb, unshaken,

    England, our June of blossom that shines above

    Disastrous War; for whom we have forsaken

    Ways that were rich and gleeful and filled with love.

    Thus are we heroes; since we might not choose

    To live where Honour gave us life to lose.

    Siegfried Sassoon (1915)
    for sassoon thats a remarkably upbeat assessment, most likely because he hadn't been sent to the front yet. To contrast with his later work:

    SUICIDE IN THE TRENCHES

    I knew a simple soldier boy
    Who grinned at life in empty joy,
    Slept soundly through the lonesome dark,
    And whistled early with the lark.

    In winter trenches, cowed and glum,
    With crumps and lice and lack of rum,
    He put a bullet through his brain.
    No one spoke of him again.

    You smug-faced crowds with kindling eye
    Who cheer when soldier lads march by,
    Sneak home and pray you'll never know
    The hell where youth and laughter go.


    By: Siegfried Sassoon (1918)

    Obviously WW1 for 3 years would be a lot more harrowing than a shortish term in Iraq, but I thought the shift in perception was food for thought.

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    Sassoon and Owen make for grim reading - but they have more to say than most and they walked the walk rather than just talked the talk. Owen, as I recall died on the front line.

    I think "Dulce est" is one of the most graphic pieces on the inhumanity of life on the front line.
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    Thank you for those, ilw. I have mixed feelings of anger and sorrow when I read them. I don't know how people will feel about this post, as I continue with the poetry, but this is a poem from a man I met during one of the VfP rallys in New York City... it seems to capture the feeling of being on the "victorious" side of over whelming fire power

    Free Fire Zone

    Trembling and sobbing
    you crawl out of your hole
    brown grime encrusted on your face,
    brittle white hair touched gently by wind.


    And begging you fall down on your knees
    and raise your wizened hands in supplication
    to what stands mute in us, and cold to all your needs -
    which kicks and prods you back upon your feet.

    You stumble, dazed, between the holes
    into the empty field beyond
    and fall, and turn, and fall and cry again at us...
    And then as flame comes blazing to engulf you from the sky
    I wonder why
    you ever bothered
    ever being born.

    --Serigo
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    Any Which Way.... because there's more to it than Fox tells you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Biggles
    Sassoon and Owen make for grim reading - but they have more to say than most and they walked the walk rather than just talked the talk. Owen, as I recall died on the front line.

    I think "Dulce est" is one of the most graphic pieces on the inhumanity of life on the front line.
    for the curious... Dulce et Decorum est

    thanks for the cue, Biggles
    Ancient Bush family proverb; Give a man a fish and he'll eat for a day... drown him in the lake and he'll never be hungry again.

    Any Which Way.... because there's more to it than Fox tells you.

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