The Netherlands Awakens!!

[Comic_Peddler]

(besides that, he doesn't call them KKK parties anymore. It's the Christian Soldiers Of Texas)

Watch it man , the KKK is mainly in Arkansas, Mississippi, Tennesse and such. Not to mention the German, Canadian, And UK division of the IKK. Texans are equal opportunity stringer-uppers.

[hobbes]

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but yes there are some issues at hand it was just the way j2k4 presents it
is extremly over exagerrated
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Well 15%, the point really was to piss you off.

It is called "turn about is fair play".

See how emotionally you reacted when someone posted one comment by a Netherland politician and used it paint the entire country as "racist or intolerant".

You called J2 a member of the KKK, just as ridiculous as me saying that your politicians are following in Hitlers' footsteps.(The finest of the specious political comparison cliches, and a forum favorite).

I imagine the whole point was to show others what it is like to have people posting slanted comments about your country day in and day out. The post may be in fact be true, but the truth is only partial and the comments attempts to smear the entire country with the comments of a few.

Welcome to America buddy, this shit is our daily bread. Maybe people will give a moments pause before jumping to conclusions about America and Americans. As you accurately comment, it is both the style and exaggeration which bring the frustration.

Muslims now form the largest minority religion in the United States,
with
an estimated 6 million followers. An estimated 400,000 live in the
Chicagoarea.

Chicago SunTimes

American paranoia? for goodness sake! We have MILLIONS of them, and we work with them.

[manker]

Hang on a minute, hobbes.

J2 cast a slight over the Dutch people and their tolerance.

The comments directed at Americans, at least by myself, are never directed at the American people as a whole, just the policy makers - particularly the foreign policy makers.

I've noticed this is, in fact, the second time in a short space of time that J2 has done this. Once dragging up a 14 day old headline to decry French soldiers and now seemingly revelling in his perception of the intolerance of the Dutch. There may be more but I generally avoid anything that looks even remotely linked to US politics in here.

You may think that this "turn about is fair play" tactic is all well and good. I think it's an excellent way to deflect from the shortcomings of your own beliefs but a fairly crass way of getting your point across.

[Busyman]

Hang on a minute, hobbes.

J2 cast a slight over the Dutch people and their tolerance.

The comments directed at Americans, at least by myself, are never directed at the American people as a whole, just the policy makers - particularly the foreign policy makers.

Bullshit.

Most of the anti-American bullshit on this forum is directed at Americans. Period.

[manker]

Bullshit.

Most of the anti-American bullshit on this forum is directed at Americans. Period.

Well I cannot speak for others - as I indicated in my post - but I can say what I believe to be the case.

Even if that was so, you seem to be deriding the practice. Do you think that J2 should lower himself to that level.

I wouldn't.

[Busyman]

Well I cannot speak for others - as I indicated in my post - but I can say what I believe to be the case.

Even if that was so, you seem to be deriding the practice. Do you think that J2 should lower himself to that level.

I wouldn't.

To what level?

this was a giveaway....

There are rumblings in Amsterdam and other locales indicating the Muslims should leave the Netherlands or be forced out.

It didn't say every locale. He even put that sentence in there which is more than I say for other posts of anti-Americans.
WTF is he supposed to say...some Dutch are up in arms?

Check some more sources. This is a real issue in Dutch government and some bullshit that will not go away. I found the article in 5 seconds of Googling (which I normally don't do).

Bottomline is Filliz and 15% were all fucked up over squat.

15% did the the same shit over a damn a Jurassic Park scene.

[manker]

I don't have to check any more sources. I'm pretty well up on the issue.

Which is why I knew what J2 posted wasn't indicative of how Dutch people in general feel about muslims.

Also, yes. Saying that 'Some Dutch people are up in arms' is a lot better than saying 'The Dutch are up in arms'.

Black or white is rarely the case.

[hobbes]

Hang on a minute, hobbes.

J2 cast a slight over the Dutch people and their tolerance.

The comments directed at Americans, at least by myself, are never directed at the American people as a whole, just the policy makers - particularly the foreign policy makers.

I've noticed this is, in fact, the second time in a short space of time that J2 has done this. Once dragging up a 14 day old headline to decry French soldiers and now seemingly revelling in his perception of the intolerance of the Dutch. There may be more but I generally avoid anything that looks even remotely linked to US politics in here.

You may think that this "turn about is fair play" tactic is all well and good. I think it's an excellent way to deflect from the shortcomings of your own beliefs but a fairly crass way of getting your point across.

Manker,

I don't think J2 was taking himself seriously in this thread. His overuse of smilies was my clue, not really his "serious" style.

I don't think that his point was to really attempt to smear the Dutch but more a cathartic poke. Could other countries have pimples, too, who would have thought? There is just such an overwhelming focus on America here that one would think the rest of the world didn't shit. The French post was another post in the same vein.

You think pulling something up from 2 weeks ago is dredging, what about the missing munitions thread, right before the elections? That was months to a year old, forget the exact dates.

You may not post comments about Americans, but then that would place you you in the the vast minority. But that is at least a start.

You are from Wales, correct? How many times have you been called brain washed by the media? People here seem to think that somehow they get the super secret real news and we are brainwashed by our fanatic Christian government or is it our Jewish controlled media, I forget what they are calling it this week. This is beyond idiotic but still a favorite forum comment. Just between you and me, I have an internet connection and I can read the Beeb everyday, as well as Al-Jazeera. In fact, I can access ANY media outlet my little heart desires. But then again, I am just brainwashed by FOX

[Busyman]

I don't have to check any more sources. I'm pretty well up on the issue.

Which is why I knew what J2 posted wasn't indicative of how Dutch people in general feel about muslims.

Also, yes. Saying that 'Some Dutch people are up in arms' is a lot better than saying 'The Dutch are up in arms'.

Black or white is rarely the case.

Hmmm...sugar-coat a semi-serious post to not piss off the international posters. Why?

This whole "offended" shit came about by some posters, unlike yourself, not being well up on the issue and not even bothering to read.

Another giveaway...

How can they be so intolerant?

[manker]

Manker,

I don't think J2 was taking himself seriously in this thread. His overuse of smilies was my clue, not really his "serious" style.

I don't think that his point was to really attempt to smear the Dutch but more a cathartic poke. Could other countries have pimples, too, who would have thought? There is just such an overwhelming focus on America here that one would think the rest of the world didn't shit. The French post was another post in the same vein.

You think pulling something up from 2 weeks ago is dredging, what about the missing munitions thread, right before the elections? That was months to a year old, forget the exact dates.

You may not post comments about Americans, but then that would place you you in the the vast minority. But that is at least a start.

You are from Wales, correct? How many times have you been called brain washed by the media? People here seem to think that somehow they get the super secret real news and we are brainwashed by our fanatic Christian government or is it our Jewish controlled media, I forget what they are calling it this week. This is beyond idiotic but still a favorite forum comment. Just between you and me, I have an internet connection and I can read the Beeb everyday, as well as Al-Jazeera. In fact, I can access ANY media outlet my little heart desires. But then again, I am just brainwashed by FOX

You probably have an excellent point, about others stereotyping the American people. As I say I hardly comment on, or read, the posts where US politics are at the crux of the debate, so it's highly likely I've missed many of the comments perceived by Busy and yourself.

Such comments would meet with similar derision from me as J2's soundbites above. That is if I commented at all, which is probably unlikely given how jaded I feel about the subject.

I could also tell that J2 wasn't addressing this matter in his normal style, but that doesn't make it any less wrong to write that the Dutch people are up in arms. The fact of the matter is, as 15% wrote, the vast majority are still accomodating to muslims. I still think the way that this topic was engineered to deflect from the problems that the US has is hardly the stuff from which great debates are born, it's rather gauche.

I'm not a big fan of this "turn about is fair play"

Or as I prefer to term it. Plain and simple tit-for-tat

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Btw, yes, I am from Wales and it isn't really my place to be pontificating about The Netherlands but it is an issue that interests me. I felt the Dutch members that had posted had good points and I wanted to add to them.