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    Quote Originally Posted by manker
    I play soccer and I'm not a gamer, therefore my point may be a bit biased.

    When does a hobby become a sport. There has to be a line somewhere otherwise there will be a clamour for Philately to be an Olympic sport. I think Busy is right in that you definitely can't say that it's an athletic sport - there isn't anything particularly athletic about being good at SuperMarioLand. Maybe if you played for hours then you might get tired - but people get tired watching TV.
    You might not exercise every muscle in your body, but have you sat through an eight hour session of Super mario brothers or something?

    Not only does it take a lot of stamina to be able to retain your precision after having played the game through a couple of times, but it's also a strain on the muscles in your hands. And there are quite a few sports you could define as being athletic that only rely on select musclegroups in your body, and a high level of specialization.

    I knew an "athlete" once that weighed easily three times as much as me, yet she competed at an advanced level with ball tossing or whatever it was. And I've seen ppl who chuck them spears, who have a right arm 1.5 times bulkier than the left.

    I'm not saying it is an athletic sport, as much as I'm asking how you can say that any sport is athletic.

    It's all about competing and using your body to accomplish something. If you think, like busy seems to do, that athletic sports are somehow better then I want to know why.

    At any rate I'd rather participate in a sport that relies as much on your mind as it does on your body, and I think that's what videogaming does.
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    Busy and I have already had this argument over what is a sport. I had asked if anyone thought that poker was a sport and we had the same argument.

    If a sport is classified as something that is physical and requires stamina and skill then shouldn’t having sex be in the same group?

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    Hope you don't mind me breaking it down a little, it's just that you mentioned so much.

    Quote Originally Posted by SnnY
    You might not exercise every muscle in your body, but have you sat through an eight hour session of Super mario brothers or something?

    Not only does it take a lot of stamina to be able to retain your precision after having played the game through a couple of times, but it's also a strain on the muscles in your hands.

    I've never played a game constantly for more than an hour - unless you count football managing games. Which are probably a bit different. I do agree that it would be taxing physically but then thumb wrestling would be too.

    And there are quite a few sports you could define as being athletic that only rely on select musclegroups in your body, and a high level of specialization.

    I knew an "athlete" once that weighed easily three times as much as me, yet she competed at an advanced level with ball tossing or whatever it was. And I've seen ppl who chuck them spears, who have a right arm 1.5 times bulkier than the left.


    Granted some games that are accepted as sports can also be put in the same catagory as gaming, like darts or crown green bowling - shot putting and javelin aren't because they are explosive sports which require maximum muscle effort coupled with technique. While the actual throwing is only done with one arm, the rest of the body is used too.


    I'm not saying it is an athletic sport, as much as I'm asking how you can say that any sport is athletic.

    It's about conditioning. A gamer can be a 7 stone weakling or a 35 stone couch potato. An athletic sportsman has had to condition his/her whole body to be able to perform even completently. In actual fact javelin throwers and shotputters aren't that uneven, or at least they shouldn't be because their weaker arm is vital for balance, momentum and exertion.


    It's all about competing and using your body to accomplish something. If you think, like busy seems to do, that athletic sports are somehow better then I want to know why.

    I think athletic sports are better in so much as they're healthier, both from a social point of view and because I think running around in the open air a few times a week is good for you.

    I was going to be diplomatic and say that I didn't consider one better than the other but that's just not true. In a few years I'd be much prouder if my son was playing centre forward for the school rather than if he was the best Counter Striker in form four :confused:

    At any rate I'd rather participate in a sport that relies as much on your mind as it does on your body, and I think that's what videogaming does.

    So does athletic sport. Especially team games such as Soccer and Rugby, for example. The best soccer players when at their peak are only set apart by their minds. At the top level, apart from the obvious pace exception, physical conditioning is very much a level playing field so technique and mental quickness is far more important. You can take 34 y/o Alan Shearer as an example of how important the mental aspect is, he is still one of the top 5 strikers in the Premiership (/me spits) yet the defenders he is up against are faster, fitter and stronger than him yet he still manages to score in almost every match - football is a very cerebral game.
    As I say, the above is only my POV. I love sport and I can't play a game on the PC, save solitaire, for love nor money. The little man just doesn't run in the right places when I want him to
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigBank_Hank
    If a sport is classified as something that is physical and requires stamina and skill then shouldn’t having sex be in the same group?
    In general I don't have a lot of group sex, so I'm not competing against anyone. Therefore sex isn't a sport.

    Maybe if the girl has an annoying habit of rating your performance against her ex b/fs it would become a kind of competition, are you going down that road, Hank?
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    No Manker I think you may have misunderstood what I was implying. The competition part comes in when we play who can erm.. climax first, if I do guess what? I’ve won

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    Granted some games that are accepted as sports can also be put in the same catagory as gaming, like darts or crown green bowling - shot putting and javelin aren't because they are explosive sports which require maximum muscle effort coupled with technique. While the actual throwing is only done with one arm, the rest of the body is used too.
    Playing videogames [SMB style] doesn't entail explosive usage of your muscles, apart from when it comes to the muscles that manipulate your thumbs, or whatever it may be.

    But you still use your entire body, and I have to say that to remain static for hours and hours, keeping focus on the screen isn't the easiest thing either, it isn't like watching tv, as you have to remain active in a different way.

    You do, however, use the muscles in your body, and it does provide a form of cardiovascular workout, once you get the adrenaline pumping.

    To be able to perform well under extended periods of time requires that you have a certain measure of physical conditioning. Tho', it isn't about being explosive, but rather about being able to remain static and focused on a single task.

    I think it does require you to have a lot more stamina than, for example, a bowler.

    A gamer can have any possible form a human can have, but a really good gamer has to be in good shape.

    Running around in the open air is indeed good for you, but I don't think a sport has to be that good for you, really. It's supposed to be a mental and physical challenge, any health-oriented benefits are merely side-effects.

    As for the social aspect of it, I have to say that playing games online allows you to have contact with people in faraway places, much as we are doing now, giving you access to much more people and points-of-view, which I feel is a good thing.

    I always saw football, and similar games as being more oriented towards the physical than the mental. How to measure this I don't know tho'.

    The ideal daughter or son would be good at both, I think.
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    I can watch any sport with at least a bit of interest in what's going on, even the silly american ones.

    Watching someone play a computer game is beyond boring, especially if they're good at it. You might as well watch your computer play itself at UT2004 or Fifa or whatever else games these ubergeeks play.

    So whilst it certainly isn't an athletic sport I don't even reckon it rates as a spectator sport.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Withcheese
    I can watch any sport with at least a bit of interest in what's going on, even the silly american ones.

    Watching someone play a computer game is beyond boring, especially if they're good at it. You might as well watch your computer play itself at UT2004 or Fifa or whatever else games these ubergeeks play.

    So whilst it certainly isn't an athletic sport I don't even reckon it rates as a spectator sport.
    Another good point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Busyman
    Another good point.

    Sorry geeks you lose. Go back and watch The Wizard.

    Snny what was your point?
    That what is, and what isn't an athletic sport is hard to define, and that if you accept one thing as a sport, then you might as well accept another.

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