If a tree falls in the forest and there is nobody around..

**JPaul** · 12-10-2005, 09:57 PM

Originally Posted by manker

Originally Posted by JPaul

I couldn't even try it, I do however have a 7 year old daughter who may be up to the challenge.

You don't wean your weans on Asda Apple, Shirley.

What else would I use

Is wee manlet enjoying his pureed lava bread btw.

**manker** · 12-10-2005, 10:03 PM

Originally Posted by JPaul

Originally Posted by manker

You don't wean your weans on Asda Apple, Shirley.

What else would I use

Is wee manlet enjoying his pureed lava bread btw.

Indeed, he polishes it off quicker than your average teenager.

Edit: The, err, lavabread, I mean

**JPaul** · 12-10-2005, 10:05 PM

Originally Posted by manker

Originally Posted by JPaul

What else would I use

Is wee manlet enjoying his pureed lava bread btw.

Indeed, he polishes it off quicker than your average teenager.

Edit: The, err, lavabread, I mean

:irl:

Double Entendre ftw.

**Biggles** · 12-12-2005, 12:07 AM

I have often looked upon ancient places and wondered what ears heard the waves crash on the shoreline or heard the strains of ropes and wood as monoliths were raised to mark time and tide.

I am of the view that the science and the philosophy discussed here are talking at cross purposes.

Of course the components that go to make up the experience we call sound are in the forest when the tree falls - regardless. The meaning we give to sound will equally obviously be absent if there is no one there to translate that experience and give it meaning.

The object of the exercise is to understand the meaning of experience not the nature of sound. It was not intended to be a philosophical parlour game - although it has to be said this particular question seems a perennial favourite of undergraduates .... usually after several beers and a large lentil curry

**clocker** · 12-12-2005, 01:39 AM

Originally Posted by Biggles

I have often looked upon ancient places and wondered what ears heard the waves crash on the shoreline or heard the strains of ropes and wood as monoliths were raised to mark time and tide.

I am of the view that the science and the philosophy discussed here are talking at cross purposes.

Oh there you go again bringing poetry and logic to the table.
Ruined the whole thing, did you.*

BTW, your Temp Taper Fade is lookin a bit alreet, Skeet.
Not as l33t as mine, but passable.

*Still channeling Yoda...not sure why.

**Barbarossa** · 12-12-2005, 12:09 PM

/me thinks

/moved to wtfworld.

Hobbes talks some sense, but sort of spoiled it for me when he said sound = light.

Everyone else talks pish.

It's a philosophical question, but if we can't agree on a definition of sound, then we can't reach a consensus. Personally, I think it makes a sound, because it causes the compressions in the air that we can detect as sound.. Just because there is nobody there to detect them, doesn't mean the sound does not exist...

However, this is entirely based on my definition of sound... (which I know differs from Hobbes')