bittorrent Vs. newsgroup

[Broken]

Doesn't success with newsgroups depend on what newsgroups you can access through your ISP?

Some people refuse to pay for newsgroups.
You get what you pay for.

+'s
full speed downloads
no need to rely on others to seed for you
no seeding
newest content the fastest
safty against "the powers that be"

[reiden]

I love bittorrent better.. coz i dunno how to use usenet
But iam gonna try one soon

[kayvanblue]

correct me please if i'm wrong!!,,,(the usenet/ newsgroup guide is is so sophisticated)
ok so far i know that everybody can use newsgroup with out paying and it works somehow like bittorrent, you just need to be invited to one of those private trackers like "www.nzbsrus.com" and have a decent client to download from them!! what i dont understand is the concept of those paying sites!

[{I}{K}{E}]

ok so far i know that everybody can use newsgroup with out paying and it works somehow like bittorrent, you just need to be invited to one of those private trackers like "www.nzbsrus.com" and have a decent client to download from them!! what i dont understand is the concept of those paying sites!

* it does NOT work like bittorrent. there are websites that host .nzb files but those files are not like .torrent files.
* there are no good free servers. the once that are ok, always have a low retentions.
* you never need an invite. there are many free sites and programs you can use to find posts on usenet.
* you pay for a payserver because that company needs to pay the bandwidth and hardware

[Broken]

I think most people don't understand Usenet at all.

Usenet exist on the internet, but is not part of the internet. You can have internet without Usenet, but not Usenet without internet. It is an additional service, some do but not all ISPs run news servers. Those ISPs that do run news servers often do not carry alt.binaries newsgroups because of thier relationship to piracy (which we want in this case) and thier size, about 99% of all articles on Usenet.

If your ISP does not provide Usenet access for free, filtered access, or has poorly maintained servers (very common) you will need a premium Usenet provider.

Usenet providers run server farms hooked up to T-lines. The basic protocal behind Usenet is simple. It's basically a message board system, similar to all the post in this forum in a more primative state, without a fancy graphical interface as we have here.
The files (movies, warz, ect) on Usenet are posted in binary form. Any digital information can be expressed in binary form which is a collection of ones and zeros in text form.

Now I would post this on my provider's servers. All Usenet servers talk to one another. So eventually what I posted should make it to everyone's provider's servers and everyone will see what I've posted.

Depending on the quality of your provider these messeges get picked up at rate of 99.9% of the time. And stored for up to 3 months before they are deleted to make room for new messeges.
If your provider sucks, you may only get 50% of the messges I post and those are kept for only a few days. Not very good it you want to pick up some files.


The real plus' of Usenet is that you connect to no person, just a server. Providers don't keep records on what it is your downloading, just how much. So there is no way for 'the bad guys' to catch you downloading.
You download at full speed all the time. The only thing limiting how fast you can download is the speed of your own connetion.
You get the newest content the fastest. Unless you have access to a releaser's group dumpsite this is the next best thing. People upload to Usenet first because you only have to do it once by the inital provider and then it can spread.

For the cash involved, it's well worth it for the speed and security.

[tnemeth]

Yeah, I agree, usenet is the best for new releases, I only use torrents for old stuff and rare applications.

[Damnatory]

Yeah, I agree, usenet is the best for new releases, I only use torrents for old stuff and rare applications.

Same here, I use Usenet for pretty much everything. The only reason I use BT is because Usenet works on a retention period of a certain amount of days, and it's almost impossible to find OLD tv shows and rare apps, without requesting someone upload them to a newsgroup.

And that is the ONLY superiority BT has over Usenet.

[fishfriend]

A good usenet option for people who don't want to deal with newsreaders is easynews.com. I've been a very happy member for almost .. jeez, 5 years now? (before that I was a GigaNews fan). They've got a simple web interface for downloading and searching. The tradeoff is that you'll be paying more per gig than you will with other providers, but IMHO, the saved hassle is worth it.

[duynghia]

Yeah, I agree, usenet is the best for new releases, I only use torrents for old stuff and rare applications.

Same here, I use Usenet for pretty much everything. The only reason I use BT is because Usenet works on a retention period of a certain amount of days, and it's almost impossible to find OLD tv shows and rare apps, without requesting someone upload them to a newsgroup.

And that is the ONLY superiority BT has over Usenet.

Yes, you're right, but the best appropriate P2P program which can find rare and old stuff is NOT BT, it's eMule. Sharing files in eMule is much easier than others, therefore, many old sources still available on eDonkey2000 Network.

[ilw]

I wasn't impressed by newsgroups personally. The download speed is great, but thats it, for the stuff i download it loses to bt in: time to release, amount/choice of content available, ease of finding stuff and the fact that you have to pay!

(My downloads are typically new tv shows, music, anime, some new movies, porn and non-new comedy)