Rant-time, methinks...
Some of this I've written about before, but it's about probabilities, and people seem to forget that sort of thing:
Originally Posted by
GepperRankins
yes, it's a belief. i believe there's no god the same way i believe i won't win the lottery every week for the rest of my life. not impossible, but i'm still fairly sure.
would you really entertain the idea that you could win the lottery every week?
Interesting analogy, if a tad one-dimensional.
The odds for winning the big on a nation-wide lottery of the proportions I assume you are talking about once are pretty damned slim, and to win the lottery every week makes them drastically worse, but as you say, it never becomes impossible. It's only impossible for you to have one it in the past, as time only moves in one direction for us, so to speak.
The chance may be slim as fuck, but it's still there, but you know that.
However, the fact is that you also know of the circumstances surrounding said lottery: We are talking about a finite period of time, and a fairly well-defined set of odds. It's even possible to almost calculate the exact odds if you know how big each printed batch of lottery tickets is, and the frequency with which they are printed and your projected lifespan (assuming that would be correct).
So it's quantifiable.
And someone is always winning, anyways.
Now try calculating the odds for an entity more complex than
our universe, coming into existence some time in...time.
Frankly, it's not doable.
Here's the thing, y'see:
The universe is, according to most contemporary scientists, rly rly big.
As far as we are concerned, it might well be close enough to be infinite in size.
And that's just what we call the universe.
Moving on...
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Btw, the word "universe" means "everything, everywhere" so by very definition, your 'creator' is encompassed by it.
Yeah, and "Atom" means "Indivisible" or something to that effect, it doesn't mean one is. -
A couple of years back some scientists came to the conclusion that what we think of as space, I suppose what some of us would call the universe, rests inside another space.
A universe with a universe in it, kinda'
They even figured they had proof, cos they could explain some stuff that previously hadn't made much sense by adding other universes into what they knew about how the laws of physics work.
Gravity, for instance, is comparatively weak here, and they really didn't understand why that was until they invented another universe our universe leeched that from
And, if they took this kind of thing into account, they could make sense of a lot of thing that previously hadn't (the math is decent, from what I hear, tho' theories like this are constantly evolving, and I really don't know what's become of it today).
It was also believed possible (past tense, cos I dunno the state of things today. I heard about it in 2003 I think.) that m-space, or that macroverse, or whatever you'd like to call it, contained lots of other universes. Maybe something of the magnitude of one for every possibility one could think of. Another you, perhaps, Dave, winning the lottery every week.
Maybe every possible state you could be in is real somewhere, sort of a phase space become reality.
Lots of them would have different laws of physics and so on too, of course.
So there, now I've got nigh on infinite space, inside something even "larger" (dimensions are funny things, rly). And then there's time, which some people (I think Einstein was one of them) described as being a flow of energy.
It might be circular in some places, or maybe some places don't restrict you to one direction, or...time might not even be of consequence, or infinite.
And then there's another theory about this entire universe vibrating. As time goes forward (just to muck things up even more) our laws of physics slowly change. Lightspeed, for instance might not be a constant if you take time into account.
And then there's something Hawking was on about, about this being a holographic universe.
Reality would be a kind of projection of something else, where all the real information was constant, or sth.
(Information (here mainly referring to the structure of elementary particles) can never be lost, but it would be if what we see is what there is, 'cos when stuff gets sucked into black holes the information about its structure would be stored on the surface, only the surface of a black hole is finite, so there's no room for an infinite amount of information, and therefore real information is stored elsewhere
So now I'll never run out of time (maybe there's no end to it, or maybe I can recycle it), or space, and I'm not even sure if I'm real. And pretty much everyone (scientists, that is) seems to agree that there are at least eleven dimensions to reality.
How could I possible assume that nothing complex enough to be called a God couldn't exist somewhere in infinity?
...On the one hand, I've never seen any proof of the existence of God (I've heard of plenty of "witnesses"
, tho', but that's another matter entirely). On the other, it seems impossible to discount the existence of one, seeing as the possibilities for what could exist seem near infinite.
Not saying a God would have to be anything we'd recognize as one (a big beard in the sky type of deal), but something way more powerful than us and terribly complex (and we don't need to limit ourselves to something naturally occurring either, it might be something manufactured) could certainly exist.
I dunno about you all, but I don't assume that we as a race are the pinnacle of evolution
Speaking of probabilities, see, it's probably more likely that we are somewhere near the middle of what is possible (always assume you are average, cos most things are), and since we've got virii on one side of the spectrum, one can only wonder what lies at the other.
And we're nowhere near the end of the universe, from what I know, so wouldn't things keep evolving here, on top of everything else?
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you believe there was a creator. there needed to be one in your mind because there needed to be creation.
And, if they took this kind of thing into account, they could make sense of a lot of thing that previously hadn't (the math is decent, from what I hear, tho' theories like this are constantly evolving, and I really don't know what's become of it today).
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