Let's not fall out over a piece of broken china.Originally Posted by zema
Oh! Really? Friends of Tibet? Meaning what - supreme truth, funded by whom!?
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Let's not fall out over a piece of broken china.Oh! Really? Friends of Tibet? Meaning what - supreme truth, funded by whom!?
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Serbian viking
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First of all I donīt call it invasion and I think it is a bit strange to ask if "they really needed doctors"?. Isnīt it something that we would like for every person to have access to health care?. I would remind You of an interesting remark from a visitor to Dalai Lamas (not present one) palace - horrified to see heads of Dalai Lamaīs opponents in the glass jars in the palace.
China, historically speaking, was always invaded without being invader itself. Mongols, Japanese and in modern times by the Western countries that nearly destroyed China. Chinese people did not forget it. For that reason they built Great wall to protect themselves from Mongols. Great Channel was built to stop Japanese. Tibet has the same importance for China.
So when Western medias drums support for independence for Tibet then it is quite moral to ask also people like ilw and thewizeard when they make comments like
why there is nothing in world medias about Greenland and their 50 000 citizens that want to have independence from Denmark, Basque, etc...? So ilw following Your thinking, Denmark (with Greenland is much bigger then China) should be split apart because it is too big?As long as the Tibet part receives the independence it deserves... to begin with ilw..
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Zema
To bring the issue closer to home. I don't think anybody would contest that Kosovo is not historically Serbian territory. The Churches and towns are all Serbian. However, it is now populated by ethnic Albanians who are effectively wanting independence but in reality would really be part of a greater Albania. Demographic forces have been used to secure political goals.
The Chinese have flooded Tibet with Chinese people most of those 7m arriving after the 1959 uprising. However, the fact remains that ancient Tibetan values, religion and social systems were overthrown by a foreign army and the Tibetans don't like it and would like to see the Chinese leave. This is not going to happen as Tibet has no army and a tiny population in comparison to China's 1.1b. The best that can be hoped for is that international pressure will see the return of the Dalai Lama and a restoration to a degree of Tibetan culture. The Chinese are integrated into the World economy. They need the trade that is the underpinning of their economy. It is in their interests to be seen to be a moderating and reasonable force in World politics.
Cogito cogito ergo cogito sum
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Biggles
what home!? Scotland?
Re: China - I am not an expert on China and Chinese affairs but being trained as a doctor of Traditional Chinese Medicine I think that I can make a comment that lot of people on the West that talk about China donīt have a clue about it! They easily apply own home brewed standards to distant countries, nations, etc. as just ones - at the same time avoiding the same standards for their countries, nations, etc.
By the way, Biggles, it is notorious truth that, since Marco Polo, days China had surplus in trading with West. Even then as today we need them more then they do need us. So nothing new under the sun.
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Kosovo is certainly a lot closer to Scotland than China - that is for sureBiggles
what home!? Scotland?
Re: China - I am not an expert on China and Chinese affairs but being trained as a doctor of Traditional Chinese Medicine I think that I can make a comment that lot of people on the West that talk about China donīt have a clue about it! They easily apply own home brewed standards to distant countries, nations, etc. as just ones - at the same time avoiding the same standards for their countries, nations, etc.
By the way, Biggles, it is notorious truth that, since Marco Polo, days China had surplus in trading with West. Even then as today we need them more then they do need us. So nothing new under the sun.
As a Scot the issues of self determination and autonomy in relation to a larger neighbour are also live political issues.
China is a key economic power in the World economy and that is where her future lies - not in outdated imperialistic dogma. The economic freedom and wealth that is growing in China will inevitably bring changes - something the current rulers are all too aware of - hence the recent calls for the Communist Party to re-invigorate itself.
Cogito cogito ergo cogito sum
>H
no i meant don't you think it strange that they needed to import more engineers doctors and teachers than the entire indigenous population? and what would you call it? I honestly can't even think of a euphemism that would cover it
links are broken and i'm not sure why you'd want links?Isnīt it something that we would like for every person to have access to health care?. I would remind You of an interesting remark from a visitor to Dalai Lamas (not present one) palace - horrified to see heads of Dalai Lamaīs opponents in the glass jars in the palace.
China, historically speaking, was always invaded without being invader itself. Mongols, Japanese and in modern times by the Western countries that nearly destroyed China. Chinese people did not forget it. For that reason they built Great wall to protect themselves from Mongols. Great Channel was built to stop Japanese. Tibet has the same importance for China.
So when Western medias drums support for independence for Tibet then it is quite moral to ask also people like ilw and thewizeard when they make comments likei meant big in both the population and geographics sense. But i've been thinking about it and i suppose if they devolve power enough any size country is manageable. The centralised power structure they have now though is a recipe for disaster
why there is nothing in world medias about Greenland and their 50 000 citizens that want to have independence from Denmark, Basque, etc...? So ilw following Your thinking, Denmark (with Greenland is much bigger then China) should be split apart because it is too big?As long as the Tibet part receives the independence it deserves... to begin with ilw..Originally Posted by ilw
Personally i just can't see china staying in one piece in the long term, ..., but its simply too big and there are too many internal issues.
oh you and me are going to get on just fabulously [/sarcasm]but being trained as a doctor of Traditional Chinese Medicine
Serbian viking
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Biggles
I can understand Your motivation and line of thinking and that issue of Tibet is for Your somehow emotionally related to issue of Scotland. End of the story.
Still You make mistake arguing that Chinas future lies... "not in outdated imperialistic dogma". From historical point of view China was always closed society in the last few thousands years. They never occupied any other country (although You will say - Tibet! - any other?) they did not impose their lifestyle or political systems to others. The purpose of my writing is to try to give other angle in viewing events maybe different then our media have.
Serbian viking
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Have You been in Tibet?
Hmm it sounds like playing monopoly - this time with humans destinies! Fair enough - we are going nowhere with this discussion.
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We would get nowhere with any discussions if we need to have visited the country discussed.Have You been in Tibet?
Hmm it sounds like playing monopoly - this time with humans destinies! Fair enough - we are going nowhere with this discussion.
In ending, would you please leave that old Scotsman alone. Especially as he does not wish Scotland to be independent.
The best way to keep a secret:- Tell everyone not to tell anyone.
>H
no idea what you're talking about.Have You been in Tibet?
Hmm it sounds like playing monopoly - this time with humans destinies! Fair enough - we are going nowhere with this discussion.
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