North Korea Opts For Multilateral Talks

[Neil__]

Originally posted by JPaul@1 August 2003 - 22:06
Do you really think that nuclear weapons are like a pea shooter.

To have the capability to make a war-head is one thing.

To have the ability to accurately deliver it, over thousands of miles is another.

To be prepared to live with the ramifications of using it is yet another.

They don't have to deliver it anywhere just having it is enough.

And will Bush allow thousands of troops to be vaporised on Korean soil. Remember the premier of N. Korea is clinically insane so what consequences will he be worried about.

Neil

[bigboab]

We all have to remember that the US have used nuclear weapons as a warning, under the pretext of ending the Japanese part of the second world war. The real reason for Nagasaki and Hiroshima was to stop the soviet Union from invading Japan, which it was capable of doing, as it had only a few miles to travel and no longer had much commitment in the west. Had the Soviet Union invaded Japan it would then have controlled the western Pacific and the US would probably never have been able to gain any control there. This is only my opinion through reading between the lines of various historical literature. So who do you think is likely to use these weapons first?

[lynx]

Originally posted by Neil__@20 August 2003 - 14:09
Remember the premier of N. Korea is clinically insane so what consequences will he be worried about.

It's so difficult to get decent sane leaders these days, isn't it. So poor countries have to make do with the insane ones.

[bigboab]

The French leaders cant be insane or they would drown.

[clocker]

Originally posted by bigboab@20 August 2003 - 16:31
We all have to remember that the US have used nuclear weapons as a warning, under the pretext of ending the Japanese part of the second world war. The real reason for Nagasaki and Hiroshima was to stop the soviet Union from invading Japan, which it was capable of doing, as it had only a few miles to travel and no longer had much commitment in the west. Had the Soviet Union invaded Japan it would then have controlled the western Pacific and the US would probably never have been able to gain any control there. This is only my opinion through reading between the lines of various historical literature. So who do you think is likely to use these weapons first?

That's quite a bit of "reading between the lines" you've done there, bigboab.
At the end of WW2 the Soviet Union was hardly in any shape to initiate an invasion , having suffered massive personnel losses repelling Germany.

Recent published Japanese War Dept. information along with memoirs of Japanese military and political leaders from the era suggest that the Japanese military leadership was willing to suffer complete annilation of the country before surrendering. This would tend to lend creedence to the US claim that Hiroshima and Nagasaki were meant to bring an end to the war, rather than some sort of obscure warning to the Soviet Union.

[bigboab]

Do you think that if the soviet Union was 'hardly in any shape' the US would have stopped at Berlin? I dont think so.

If the Japanes were going to fight to the last man why did they surrender after the bombs then?

[clocker]

The Japanese surrendered becaause their political leadership realized that they were in a hopeless position.
The military was unwilling to concede.

The US and the rest of the Allies could easily have continued on to Moscow. With a very good chance of success. This is exactly what Patton wanted to do.
Again, political leadership (Truman/Churchill) intervened.
How different the world might have been had they decided to continue.

[clocker]

*Double post*

[bigboab]

Check the military might of the Soviet Union against all of the super powers as at august 1945. Then reassess your theories. Remember the Allied forces would be taking on the might of the Soviet Union on their own territory.

[MagicNakor]

Knowing the history of armies trying to wrest Russian soil, it likely would not have gone well. Winter always seems to come early when that happens.