Here's one, just one of the things about commercialism that drive me up the wall

[megabyteme]

Speaking of gutter mouth and trash language, 'like' and 'such' (as) are four letter words.

[video]

Tell me you wouldn't fuck her like such a dirty whore. And like it.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------

I haven't watched the video yet, but I call foul on invoking* (both definitions) George Carlin.

*

Spoiler: Show

invokingpresent participle of in·voke (Verb)

Verb:

Cite or appeal to (someone or something) as an authority for an action or in support of an argument. Call on (a deity or spirit) in prayer, as a witness, or for inspiration.

[megabyteme]

You should note that I am not siding with any kind of regulation, or enforcement. The corporate interests are making their products available, but choosing to self-police those products that cross societal norm boundaries. My comment earlier about corporations knowing their consumer base is true. Corporations make money by knowing what the majority of consumers want/expect from their products. Edgy pays off occasionally, but "safe" works for the majority. If there was more money in (demand for) uncensored products, then that is what would be made available.

I would be with you if the issue involved not allowing individuals to upload uncensored music/videos. That would take away the "choice" I want. And I believe that would be bad precedent for the internet- especially if it became regulated that way. That's scary. Corporations getting together to make their large catalogs of music/videos available for free with only a small percentage censored sounds good to me...

[mjmacky]

Corporations make money by knowing what the majority of consumers want/expect from their products. Edgy pays off occasionally, but "safe" works for the majority. If there was more money in (demand for) uncensored products, then that is what would be made available.

I'm saying that the edge is artificial because of what has been set as an arbitrary standard. Specifically I'm quoting you out here because I wanted to make a specific point. I am in disagreement with the masses, and corporations make money by manipulating their consumer base's lack of knowledge. The same majority, with such a great lack of knowledge, determines what is acceptable language with their wallet in this self-policing policy. They self-police not because they're attempting to uphold a logical ideal, but because it makes them more money by not making enemies with "family" groups. I feel all of this propagates an unnecessary censorship practice. I guess that's my point, just more refined.

[megabyteme]

I believe we have already found some common agreement that there is such a thing as public "rudeness". While those standards vary by an individual's tolerance, and it is arbitrary, there remains something good in "acceptable behavior". This notion does not just stem from family groups, corporations, churches, etc., but from the notion that public places should maintain a minimum standard of conduct.

We can deconstruct all kinds of other norms, as well. There are generally accepted standards for writing up a resume. Are you going to rebel against those "imaginary" standards the next time you look for work? Will you stay within the arbitrary lines drawn upon the freeway, or shall you exercise your urge to rebel there, too?

Personally, I don't feel manipulated by these companies. I'm now among the masses who finds the imaginary line drawn in the air known as ""decency" to be reasonable. Again, for me, having the choice to limit my children's access to pornography, violence, ghetto speak, explicit lyrics, etc. is a good one. No one is saying that the full versions can't be uploaded, too.

Let's exclude my children for a moment, and say I am having a discussion with my mother-in-law. For whatever reason the conversation leads to it, I feel drawn to play a certain song for her. The chances are GREAT that I will play the censored version. Why, because she gives off the vibes that she would not be interested in listening to something outside of normal, polite conversation. Would she gasp, faint, or refuse to return to my house? Not a chance. It wouldn't hurt her ears any, but it would be uncomfortable for both of us.

Some people just don't want to expose themselves to the gutter.

[mjmacky]

This notion does not just stem from family groups, corporations, churches, etc., but from the notion that public places should maintain a minimum standard of conduct.

This is where we disagree. Groups and organizations have largely decided policy, standard practices and legislation in this matter.

We can deconstruct all kinds of other norms, as well. There are generally accepted standards for writing up a resume. Are you going to rebel against those "imaginary" standards the next time you look for work? Will you stay within the arbitrary lines drawn upon the freeway, or shall you exercise your urge to rebel there, too?

I don't rebel against things that have a logical purpose. For instance, the CV or the resume. Anyone in charge of hiring could possibly be examining dozens or even hundreds of resumes so standardized format and expected content is quite reasonable, for its purpose is to present relevant information. When there's traffic, those lines are useful in keeping cars from bumping into each other; however, when there's not a car nearby I don't really consider or adhere to the placement of those lines. On a final note, I have freely used "inappropriate" language in a job interview for the last job I held (something I could only remember as my former supervisor had reminded me of it when we were hanging out recently).

Personally, I don't feel manipulated by these companies. I'm now among the masses who finds the imaginary line drawn in the air known as ""decency" to be reasonable. Again, for me, having the choice to limit my children's access to pornography, violence, ghetto speak, explicit lyrics, etc. is a good one. No one is saying that the full versions can't be uploaded, too.

You may not, but I'm sure it wouldn't be difficult for you to identify a few individuals who have been manipulated. As for the other note, the conditions required to hide pornography from children would be detrimental to the child. It's an unproductive venture, discussion and education matter most here. It's probably a personal difference.

Let's exclude my children for a moment, and say I am having a discussion with my mother-in-law. For whatever reason the conversation leads to it, I feel drawn to play a certain song for her. The chances are GREAT that I will play the censored version. Why, because she gives off the vibes that she would not be interested in listening to something outside of normal, polite conversation. Would she gasp, faint, or refuse to return to my house? Not a chance. It wouldn't hurt her ears any, but it would be uncomfortable for both of us.

Some people just don't want to expose themselves to the gutter.

This is most like attributed to personality. I've never been a stranger to making someone uncomfortable, in fact I'd probably tease, regardless of who they are. No one would ever accuse me of social restraint, and I base no decisions for my actions off of social norms or expectations (rather, I just don't waste any time to consider them). I'll restrict my example to the mother-in-law scenario for direct comparison:
This is the desktop background of my HTPC, my mother-in-law who I've had to teach how to use XBMC and Linux, pays it no mind. It's because she has completely acclimated to my frankness of operation, whereas before (many a years ago) she might have complained to Ivana about it. I'm also the son they never had so I could hardly do any wrong anyway. She is someone who tends to hold herself to social restraint, albeit a Serbian standard (she doesn't think Americans have claim to any real culture besides the obvious, e.g. Rock and Roll dude).

Call me inconsiderate, but I don't hold anyone's feelings towards socially deemed impropriety in regard. I don't go so far as making rape jokes to a victim of the act, I just base everything on merit.

---

Last anecdote, I promise.
In the spoiler is a framed photo that hangs above our toilet. Once, we were babysitting a friend's 6-year-old boy. He uses our restroom and once finished, asks Ivana why there were pictures of a naked girl in there. Ivana, confused about how to react stuttered for a response and came off with something about how it's just something from a magazine she liked. At that point, I interjected and said, it's a poem about how to take a bath. Suddenly, all awkwardness about the situation completely faded out.

Spoiler: Show

howtotakeabath.jpg

[nicovolli]

Why don't you guys exchange phone numbers and give each other a call or meet up for a beer to talk over it... (not so serious)

[mjmacky]

Why don't you guys exchange phone numbers and give each other a call or meet up for a beer to talk over it... (not so serious)

This is my outlet, and what the hell caused you to come out of 1.5 years of silence just to suggest that?

[megabyteme]

Why don't you guys exchange phone numbers and give each other a call or meet up for a beer to talk over it... (not so serious)

This is my outlet, and what the hell caused you to come out of 1.5 years of silence just to suggest that?

Was it good for you, too?

[mjmacky]

This is my outlet, and what the hell caused you to come out of 1.5 years of silence just to suggest that?

Was it good for you, too?

I thought I was waiting on a phone call from you so that you could respond to all my super duper invincible points. Nobody has any interest in this thread, but it managed to make a monk break his vow of silence