I think the conditions in the world right now are favourable to a major war...

[j2k4]

......so I'm assuming you are only referring to direct Military Action on a large scale by "developed" countries..

This should clear things up a bit-

TEHRAN (Reuters) - Iran's Hizbollah, which claims links to the Lebanese group of the same name, said on Tuesday it stood ready to attack Israeli and U.S. interests worldwide.

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"We have 2,000 volunteers who have registered since last year," said Iranian Hizbollah's spokesman Mojtaba Bigdeli, speaking by telephone from the central seminary city of Qom.

"They have been trained and they can become fully armed. We are ready to dispatch them to every corner of the world to jeopardise Israel and America's interests. We are only waiting for the Supreme Leader's green light to take action. If America wants to ignite World War Three ... we welcome it," he said.

Well, now.

Iran had previously denied any involvement.

The case cannot be made that the Iranian government is a pawn to Hezbollah as Lebanen's is.

The veil is lifted...

[lynx]

This should clear things up a bit-

TEHRAN (Reuters) - Iran's Hizbollah, which claims links to the Lebanese group of the same name, said on Tuesday it stood ready to attack Israeli and U.S. interests worldwide.

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"We have 2,000 volunteers who have registered since last year," said Iranian Hizbollah's spokesman Mojtaba Bigdeli, speaking by telephone from the central seminary city of Qom.

"They have been trained and they can become fully armed. We are ready to dispatch them to every corner of the world to jeopardise Israel and America's interests. We are only waiting for the Supreme Leader's green light to take action. If America wants to ignite World War Three ... we welcome it," he said.

Well, now.

Iran had previously denied any involvement.

The case cannot be made that the Iranian government is a pawn to Hezbollah as Lebanen's is.

The veil is lifted...

Is there any point in highlighting the fact that it was Iran's Hezzbollah which acknowledged the link (not that there has ever been any doubt), not the Iranian government.

Did you miss that?

[j2k4]

Well, now.

Iran had previously denied any involvement.

The case cannot be made that the Iranian government is a pawn to Hezbollah as Lebanen's is.

The veil is lifted...

Is there any point in highlighting the fact that it was Iran's Hezzbollah which acknowledged the link (not that there has ever been any doubt), not the Iranian government.

Did you miss that?

Is there any point highlighting the fact Hezbollah has cowed the Lebanese government, but the same cannot be said to be true of the Irani government, which does not disavow Iranian Hezbollah commentary, and, in fact, agrees with it, however tacitly?

Or did you miss that?

[Rat Faced]

Please people,

no country is squeaky clean here..

or do i have to remind everyone of the Bay of Pigs, Guatamala, Argentina, Cambodia etc (for USA lot).. Iraq, India, Burma etc (for UK lot).. Continent of Africa etc (most of mainland Europe lot)..

There is no proof re: Iran being responsible.

and people in glass houses shouldnt throw stones...

Fact.

[j2k4]

Please people,

no country is squeaky clean here..

or do i have to remind everyone of the Bay of Pigs, Guatamala, Argentina, Cambodia etc (for USA lot).. Iraq, India, Burma etc (for UK lot).. Continent of Africa etc (most of mainland Europe lot)..

There is no proof re: Iran being responsible.

and people in glass houses shouldnt throw stones...

Fact.

Indeed, they should not even discuss such things.

I wish I could suss your point, Rat, but I cannot.

Insofar as this thread was a hair's breadth from a shit-storm, I'll bow out, if that's okay.

[Rat Faced]

The point was that in most cases people "knew", but the countries denied it.

We can speculate all we want, as we did at the time re: Iraq Invasion.

Some thought there were weapons, some didnt (and thought so strongly on both sides of that fence I recall).. we didnt know until after the fact.


The Topic is regarding the conditions for a Major War.

That means lots of nations/cultures acting and reacting in manners that may bring about a major conflict... you cannot blame one or two specifics here, its a culmanation of lots of stuff... including our own past baggage.

Remember, to most of us it is the past and easily forgotten.. but we were far removed from the actual results on the ground. In these places people got killed that had friends and family that may then hate the country(ies) responsible on emotional grounds.... a lot less predictable than economical/logical grounds. These people have children, guess who teaches them during their formative years?

If you bring Hiz'bollah and Iran into the equation, then you must also bring the history of both in too..

Why does Iran hate the USA? Think back a little... Then think about whats happening at present, which makes it hard to put history behind it.

Why was Hiz'bollah (Shi'ite), who have little in common with Hamas (Sunni), formed? Again, think back a little...

Just across the way in Iraq, these two factions are blowing the crap out of each other..... they did in Lebanon in the past, and they still do when they come across each other now.... so it isnt an alliance, which is what some Israeli's and Americans are saying it is.

Then look also at the fact that the Lebanese Army has now been mobilised, because Israel looks like it will be a invading by land... they did squat except complain and die during the air assault, however the Lebanese Constitution means they must now do what they didnt want to do.. fight Israel to defend their country.

ie: An active state of War will exist between Lebanon and Israel (I think they are still formally at war anyway)... and this was encouraged by the USA and UK.

What message is that sending out to every other muslim country in the world?

How many young Muslims are going to be pissed off enough to be radicalized?

How is all this affecting the way many Cultures/Countries en-mass Act and React with each other...

I think that reducing this thread to a specific conflict and apportioning blame is actually reducing the value of the thread...

[Busyman™]

It seems Lebanon didn't do enough to stop Hezbollah from slamming rockets into Israel.

What was Israel supposed to do?

If rockets from the USA came raining down on China, would would China do?

Maybe muslims should blame some of their own instead of becoming radicalized sheep.

[j2k4]

It seems Lebanon didn't do enough to stop Hezbollah from slamming rockets into Israel.

What was Israel supposed to do?

If rockets from the USA came raining down on China, would would China do?

Maybe muslims should blame some of their own instead of becoming radicalized sheep.

I will re-enter the thread only to record a short but forceful huzzah! in support of the sentiment elucidated here.

[Rat Faced]

Strange...

Iraq has been liberated how long?

Yet the USA/UK say it cannot yet secure itself from its own elements, despite huge resources from the Coalition training their Armed Forces and Police.

Lebanon has been free a much shorter time from Syria, and has had didly squat in terms of help to train and supply an Army.... and yet the same countries think that they should be able to sort out Hezbollah, a much more organised and better armed organisation than the Iraqi insurgents..


The word Hypocracy springs to mind..

[Busyman™]

Strange...

Iraq has been liberated how long?

Yet the USA/UK say it cannot yet secure itself from its own elements, despite huge resources from the Coalition training their Armed Forces and Police.

Lebanon has been free a much shorter time from Syria, and has had didly squat in terms of help to train and supply an Army.... and yet the same countries think that they should be able to sort out Hezbollah, a much more organised and better armed organisation than the Iraqi insurgents..


The word Hypocracy springs to mind..

Uhh it's not that.

1. Rockets come from Lebanon.

2. Lebanon could be in cahoots with Hezbollah or not however...

3. What is Israel supposed to do, sit back and wait for more rockets to come?
If Lebanon cannot sort it then Israel has to. It's not really a choice.
tralalalalalala and his family are just supposed to sit and wait for a rocket to hit their home. I think not.