Hurricane Katrina...

[j2k4]

...has Hank dead in her sights.

Good luck, my friend. :(

[suprafreak6]

yeah im no where near the hurricane but i always feel bad for ppl who live over there because i mean like 2 or 3 times a year they get hit..

[BigBank_Hank]

As it stands right now we’re going to get wind and rain but nothing really major, this is of course if the storm continues on its projected path. If for some reason it doesn’t turn we’re screwed.

Usually I never get scared for a hurricane but this one has done it to me. I’m sitting tight for now but I’m hauling ass if it doesn’t turn towards the east.

Please keep all of us in your thoughts that are in this things way.

Jamie

[Rat Faced]

Good Luck Hank...

Hope it misses you mate ;)

[muchspl3]

902mb


scary

[j2k4]

It would seem only to be a question of how she tacks, now...

Good Lord, it's going to be bad, wherever she hits.

Camille, part II, if not worse.

Fourth lowest B.P. on record.

[RPerry]

Wish you all the luck Jamie. Even though I'm inland part of Florida, I would probably leave if it were coming towards me. Our thoughts are with you New Orleans area :(


Rob & Dawn

[15%]

shouldn't you leave town or go to the stadium as they said on the news?

[muchspl3]

shouldn't you leave town or go to the stadium as they said on the news?I live on the coast of FL and never leave, but I would if it was a cat 5
if I lived under sea level like the people near NO I wouldn't stay over a cat 3
your just asking for Darwin to send you an award

[BigBank_Hank]

It’s very odd because today couldn’t be a more beautiful day here. Clear skies and a real nice breeze, you’d never think that there is monster like that on its way.

[GepperRankins]

...has Hank dead in her sights.

Good luck, my friend. :(
yeah, good luck katrina!

[hippychick]

I've read that I'ts recommend you fill your gas tanks tonight before the market opens in the morning.

You could save yourself like 9 bucks if you have a 30 gallon tank just for not waiting til morning.

Consensus is 20 to 30 cent price jump on gas per gallon if New Orleans gets hammered at 9am like its projected. The refinery in New Orleans refines around 25% of our gas and its fixin to find itself under water.

The chemical disaster that's brewing down there is pretty scary if you consider all the stuff thats going to end up in the water if the city floods. They are talking about even having to blow up the levies to let the water back out of the city after the surge - which could take up to 2 weeks.

How true do you think this is?

[Everose]

Our thoughts are with you, Hank, and with all others in its path.

[BigBank_Hank]

I've read that I'ts recommend you fill your gas tanks tonight before the market opens in the morning.

You could save yourself like 9 bucks if you have a 30 gallon tank just for not waiting til morning.

Consensus is 20 to 30 cent price jump on gas per gallon if New Orleans gets hammered at 9am like its projected. The refinery in New Orleans refines around 25% of our gas and its fixin to find itself under water.

The chemical disaster that's brewing down there is pretty scary if you consider all the stuff thats going to end up in the water if the city floods. They are talking about even having to blow up the levies to let the water back out of the city after the surge - which could take up to 2 weeks.

How true do you think this is?
Well we’re hunkered down and ready, as we can be.

I filled up on Friday because I wasn’t sure if we were going to need to leave so I fueled up just in case.

I don’t really see them blowing up the levees to get the water out. New Orleans is equipped with pumps all over the place and pumping the water out is the more sensible approach. In fact it’s so low there they have to pump water out all the time.

[hippychick]

I found this about the hurricane and gas prices, sound like alot of action in the Gulf.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9108072/
I wish you the best Hank that has to be scary, just get away safe.

[ruthie]

Oh boy..hope you and yours stay safe. sounds like things are kind of crazy at the dome..there is no food, so people have to carry what they can. How far are you from New Orleans, or are you smack dab in it?
Keeping you in my thoughts.

[MediaSlayer]

this hurricane is just as much a coincidence as that tsunami, which jacked up the price of the p4's a wee bit

[iMartin]

this hurricane is just as much a coincidence as that tsunami, which jacked up the price of the p4's a wee bit
I knew Bill Gates was the one responsible for hurrican Katrina. :angry:

[Biggles]

Hank

Hope you and yours are safe, looks most unpleasant over there at the moment.

[DanB]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/4194698.stm

[brotherdoobie]

...has Hank dead in her sights.

Good luck, my friend. :(
yeah, good luck katrina!

Dave, sometimes I wonder about you. :dry:
Jamie, I hope for the best.

Peace bd

[MediaSlayer]

this hurricane is just as much a coincidence as that tsunami, which jacked up the price of the p4's a wee bit
I knew Bill Gates was the one responsible for hurrican Katrina. :angry:


he did get knighted,

and i meant the processors, i tried to buy one after the tsunami and the fry's sales rep said "we're all sold out right now, the demand is so high because the tsunami disrupted the production"

[BigBank_Hank]

Thank you all for you well wishes.

Thankfully we were spared from the worst of Katrina’s wrath and made it out safe and sound. It was really windy but we really didn’t see much rain.

It also looks like our friends in New Orleans, who mind you didn’t get off easy, were also spared from a direct impact. There is major flooding and damage there but nothing on the scale that was predicted for them.

There were some people south of New Orleans that decided to ride the storm out at home and were trapped when the rising water forced them onto their roofs to escape. They were stuck on the roof during 100 mph winds and no one could rescue them until the winds subsided some. If I were in their shoes I probably would have had a heart attack while stuck up there. Some people will never take these things seriously.

[RPerry]

Thank you all for you well wishes.

Thankfully we were spared from the worst of Katrina’s wrath and made it out safe and sound. It was really windy but we really didn’t see much rain.

It also looks like our friends in New Orleans, who mind you didn’t get off easy, were also spared from a direct impact. There is major flooding and damage there but nothing on the scale that was predicted for them.

There were some people south of New Orleans that decided to ride the storm out at home and were trapped when the rising water forced them onto their roofs to escape. They were stuck on the roof during 100 mph winds and no one could rescue them until the winds subsided some. If I were in their shoes I probably would have had a heart attack while stuck up there. Some people will never take these things seriously.

Glad to hear it. The stories I have seen on the news, and read are heart breaking. 55 confirmed dead at the time of this post, and I'm sure it will be more tomorrow. I too wish people would learn to leave when they are told. I know sometimes the storm changes course, as it also did in this case ( New Orleans could look worse tonight ), but in the end, isn't it better leave for no reason, than stay an give your live for nothing ?

[BigBank_Hank]

The floodwaters in New Orleans are worse this morning than they were yesterday. They can’t figure out why the water is continuing to rise because they can’t inspect the levees yet.

[GepperRankins]

you're alive :01:



hope your property didn't get too much broked

[Barbarossa]

It says on the BBC that 80% of New Orleans is flooded :ohmy:

But the French Quarter is OK apparently..?

[BigBank_Hank]

It says on the BBC that 80% of New Orleans is flooded :ohmy:

But the French Quarter is OK apparently..?
80% of the city is flooded.

The French Quarter was fine but now the waters have started to rise there as well. They are trying to evacuate some of the people who stayed because some of the shelters are starting to become flooded. They can’t figure out why the waters are still rising because they can’t get in to start assessing the damage.

As of this morning there are still hundreds of people still stuck on rooftops or stuck in attics still awaiting rescue. They’ve been up there for 24 plus hours and to make things worse the temperature with the heat index today is 101 degrees.

[BigBank_Hank]

Guys I don’t know if you can get a perspective of what’s going on here but it’s about as bad as it can get.

Anyone still in the city of New Orleans has to evacuate because there is no fresh water, no ice, and no electricity. The water that’s in the street is contaminated and is dangerous to be wading around in because it has sewage in it. Basically its uninhabitable and it may be like that for up to a month until the water can be pumped out, and at least two months to get electricity back to the entire city. The whole electricity infrastructure is destroyed and has to be built from scratch.

The entire city of Grand Isle is gone its under 20 plus feet of water. The city is even further south of New Orleans and it’s where the storm first came onto shore.

It’s absolutely heartbreaking to look at all this.

[muchspl3]

the grand was on the street in biloxi

[Skizo]

Fox News now says that there is NO drinkable water in the whole city due to a water main busting.

The rising water is now high enough that it has begun to enter the the Superdome, so now all of those people must now seek shelter elsewhere. Most presumably will go to various Red Cross shelters, but how they will get there is unknown.

Looting is happening on a MASSIVE scale. The police say that while they do not condone it, most of them are turning a blind eye to the looting of grocery stores.

The water is expected to rise no less than another 3 feet and possibly up to another 6 or 7 feet. It doesn't sound like much, but like the news stated, "...for the thousands of people living on rooftops and traped in attics, it could be a death sentence."

[sArA]

Glad you and your family are ok Hank, sounds like the mother of storms and there will be a lot of cleaning up to do....good luck to everyone involved in this.

[Rat Faced]

Martial Law in New Orleans now..

Glad your OK Hank... hope Stephanie Swift is too :unsure:

[15%]

why is it taking so long for the worlds greatest power to help it's own people?

[DanB]

All the money got spent on war :ph34r:

[ZeroTolerance]

they shippin all of dem to my city

[BigBank_Hank]

why is it taking so long for the worlds greatest power to help it's own people?
I don’t think that you even understand the magnitude of this situation. There are more square miles considered disaster area’s than there are square miles in the state of Kansas.

[Rat Faced]

Where's all the National Guard..

Thought thats what their main thing was, State Disaster and Emergency assistance... :unsure:

[15%]

why is it taking so long for the worlds greatest power to help it's own people?
I don’t think that you even understand the magnitude of this situation. There are more square miles considered disaster area’s than there are square miles in the state of Kansas.

it is massive - it is beyond extreme
so why is Bush on CNN saying that they don't have enough ships, and that the oil lines are being secured, people should avoid buying gas and only part of congress have met today and will meet next tuesday to discuss whether to give 10B dollars? when the people in the south need help since the moment they knew it was coming, which is more than a week ago.
wtf?
Sorry Hank not trying to flame but from over here the news looks rediculous.Like nothing is happening.
Is the press helping at all?

[Peerzy]

Been hearing a lot of ironic things about this.

Over 45% of the army and guard who could be helping are off fighting some random oil war.

The pollution America makes through buring F fuels is the cause of the storms, and is why they are getting worse and more frequent.

In Jan 2001 a list was created of the 5 top things bad that would happen to America. Number 1 was a hurricane in New Orleans, Number 2 was a terrorist attack on Washington, and Number 3 was an earthquake in California.

After Sept 11 more than 50% of the funds that were being put into stopping Numbers 1 & 3 were taking and put into defending from terrorists attacks.

Americans have looted stores and the Wal-Mart gun section has had all the weapons and ammo nicked. Way to go America.

A police officer was shot in the head yesterday after he attempted to stop looters.

TBH it's your own fault. You elected a man who put all the money that should have been for defence into an attack on another country. You are the ones who are nicking guns and shooting each other just for bottles of coke and such. You are the ones who sent of your army to fight a way then need them back home.

[Busyman]

why is it taking so long for the worlds greatest power to help it's own people?
I'm sorry, how long has it been? :huh:

I was without power for 3 days due to a mere thunderstorm.

Although this flooding is much more important, it is also a more logistical and massive problem.

So long? :huh: Your right, the water should have drained and all survivors finely picked out and rescued yesterday.

:dry:

[15%]

yes your right - it would have wiped out the entire country of holland.

[BigBank_Hank]

Ok I’ll take as many of these as I can.

First off 100% complained about ONLY 10 billions dollars bent sent. Well the truth of the matter is 10 billion dollars is only for the first 20 days. It is being appropriated to give us the shot in the arm that we need to get things up and running.

Then he said that we needed help the moment that we knew it was coming. The truth is that the governor of Louisiana and Mississippi declared both states disaster areas two days before the storm even hit. That way emergency funds would be ready as soon as the wind stopped blowing.

Right now the main concern is to get the people rescued. There are thousands of people that need to be picked up off of rooftops and out of attics. Once they are all taken care of then they’ll switch into cleanup mode. It’s going to take a month to get the water out of the city best case scenario. I don’t know why you would think you could wave a magic wand and all would be taken care of.

Now Peerzy. If you knew anything about history it might just help. I think that you honestly believe that Bush invented hurricanes. Fact is they’ve been hitting coastal areas for a long time. The worst storms to ever strike the U.S. (prior to Katrina) were all before 1993. The unnamed storm that hit Galveston Bay, Camille, and Andrew were category all category 5 hurricanes when they made landfall.

And if we are in Iraq for oil then why is there a shortage of oil right now in the country? Why is the President asks us to conserve oil? According to you we should be swimming in it.

This is way worse than 9/11. The day after the attacks the city functioned, not here. Nothing is up and functioning in New Orleans, Gulf Port, and Biloxi. These are cites that are crippled that have to been rebuilt from the ground up.

[Rat Faced]

peerzy, there are too many people dead and dying for political capital to be made from your being Listerene.

Stop the trolling, please.




That said, i have to respond to this:

And if we are in Iraq for oil then why is there a shortage of oil right now in the country? Why is the President asks us to conserve oil? According to you we should be swimming in it.

Because its supply and demand... The way Iraq has been treated has ensured that there is less supply than demand, hense huge price hikes in the the price of a barrel.

The people to benefit from this, until Katrina, has been the Oil Companies not in the Middle East, which can sell at that high price without the terrorism that is causing the problem there ... which ones are those again? Who runs them? Family name of Bush comes to mind for interests in a few of them.. :dry:

The reason there is a shortage of Oil in the country, is that the companies sell to the buyers... which can be from anywhere in the world. US companies dont keep their product in the US, they sell to the highest bidder like everyone else.

The US is a "Net" importer of Oil.

It imports more than it exports, that does not mean it doesnt export.

[Everose]

Hank, I am not sure people understand the magnitude of this disaster, or the fact that no country could be totally prepared for such a disaster, even though you have certainly tried.

Right now there is the largest relief effort ever in US history going on in our country.

Local First responders are on the scene. Keep in mind........a lot of people who were first responders found themself trapped when the levy broke and the water rose in New Orleans.

People in the superdome now are being transferred to the Astrodome in Houston, 350 miles away, via bus, where their needs will be attended to. Many others are being taken to Georgia, etc. Helicopters have been air dropping food, water and supplies. The military is heavily involved, as are the Red Cross, Salvation Army, FEMA, National Guard, Coast Guard, and everyone that is able bodied and available. Five semis full of food, supplies, clothing, medicine,, water, and lots of other things have already left my area.....with thousands of dollars being sent from people and corporations in this area. In my small area alone there has already been $700,000.00's alone donated to the relief effort. All states are sending work crews in to work on infrastructure, and thousands of people are headed that way to do all they can do. Schoolchildren are even collecting money from their piggy banks for the relief fund and efforts.

100%....thanks for asking and for your genuine concern about your fellow human beings, regardless of their nationality, or leaders.

[Busyman]

Been hearing a lot of ironic things about this.

Over 45% of the army and guard who could be helping are off fighting some random oil war.

The pollution America makes through buring F fuels is the cause of the storms, and is why they are getting worse and more frequent.

In Jan 2001 a list was created of the 5 top things bad that would happen to America. Number 1 was a hurricane in New Orleans, Number 2 was a terrorist attack on Washington, and Number 3 was an earthquake in California.

After Sept 11 more than 50% of the funds that were being put into stopping Numbers 1 & 3 were taking and put into defending from terrorists attacks.

Americans have looted stores and the Wal-Mart gun section has had all the weapons and ammo nicked. Way to go America.

A police officer was shot in the head yesterday after he attempted to stop looters.

TBH it's your own fault. You elected a man who put all the money that should have been for defence into an attack on another country. You are the ones who are nicking guns and shooting each other just for bottles of coke and such. You are the ones who sent of your army to fight a way then need them back home.
Why yes....yes I would kick your teeth in.

:dry:

[HeavyMetalParkingLot]

Americans have looted stores and the Wal-Mart gun section has had all the weapons and ammo nicked. Way to go America.

Very good Peerzy, Americans live in America. Now, can you tell us who lives in Brazil?

If Michael Moore had done a documentary on say, Eckard's, your statement would have read "Americans have looted stores and the Eckard's gun section has had all the weapons and ammo nicked. Way to go America." Recycled bullshit, is still bullshit kid.

[Peerzy]

Americans have looted stores and the Wal-Mart gun section has had all the weapons and ammo nicked. Way to go America.

Very good Peerzy, Americans live in America. Now, can you tell us who lives in Brazil?

If Michael Moore had done a documentary on say, Eckard's, your statement would have read "Americans have looted stores and the Eckard's gun section has had all the weapons and ammo nicked. Way to go America." Recycled bullshit, is still bullshit kid.

[Busyman]

Very good Peerzy, Americans live in America. Now, can you tell us who lives in Brazil?

If Michael Moore had done a documentary on say, Eckard's, your statement would have read "Americans have looted stores and the Eckard's gun section has had all the weapons and ammo nicked. Way to go America." Recycled bullshit, is still bullshit kid.
What a post Peerzy. :dry:

[HeavyMetalParkingLot]

nm, board was being silly

[Busyman]

nvm

[HeavyMetalParkingLot]

I'm sorry, you have obviously set the standard to high for the rest of us.
:blink:

I apologize, the way your post looked made it seem you were speaking to me. But when I quoted you, it became obvious you were speaking to peerzy. The lack of him adding anything more to his quote was playing with thread.

[Peerzy]

Americans have looted stores and the Wal-Mart gun section has had all the weapons and ammo nicked. Way to go America.

Very good Peerzy, Americans live in America. Now, can you tell us who lives in Brazil?

If Michael Moore had done a documentary on say, Eckard's, your statement would have read "Americans have looted stores and the Eckard's gun section has had all the weapons and ammo nicked. Way to go America." Recycled bullshit, is still bullshit kid.

The French :unsure:

I didn't even watch all of BFC, i said Wal-Mart because the fact is, thats what the news had, it had footage of people in a Wal-Mart (Note: Not a Eckard's) nicking guns. So you're saying that because theres a film about Wal-Mart and guns we should refrain from using those two words in the same sentence, even if it's really whats happening? We must bend to truth now because you don't want two words that featured in a film together, a film which i saw about half of, then switched off cause it was shit?

@RF - I wasn't flaming or anything, it's just something like was flagged 4 years ago as a major threat and the American Government did fuck all about it.

@Busy - Cool, then you loot the Wal_Mart and take your gun count up the same level as your IQ count, a massive 12.

Now Peerzy. If you knew anything about history it might just help. I think that you honestly believe that Bush invented hurricanes. Fact is they’ve been hitting coastal areas for a long time.


Nope, Bush didn't invest hurricanes (i doubt he can even spell it), but he could have done a hell of a lot more to stop the damage being so high. Did Bush invent Terrorism? Nope, could he have done more to stop September 11th? Yes.


Also my above post which was blank was supposed to be this one, but Firefox went all crazy and froze for a minute or two, not really sure what happened.

[HeavyMetalParkingLot]

Very good Peerzy, Americans live in America. Now, can you tell us who lives in Brazil?

If Michael Moore had done a documentary on say, Eckard's, your statement would have read "Americans have looted stores and the Eckard's gun section has had all the weapons and ammo nicked. Way to go America." Recycled bullshit, is still bullshit kid.

The French :unsure:

I didn't even watch all of BFC, i said Wal-Mart because the fact is, thats what the news had, it had footage of people in a Wal-Mart (Note: Not a Eckard's) nicking guns. So you're saying that because theres a film about Wal-Mart and guns we should refrain from using those two words in the same sentence, even if it's really whats happening? We must bend to truth now because you don't want two words that featured in a film together, a film which i saw about half of, then switched off cause it was shit?

@RF - I wasn't flaming or anything, it's just something like was flagged 4 years ago as a major threat and the American Government did fuck all about it.


Did the news footage also show police officers removing guns and ammo from stores so they cannot be looted? No, I quess that flew under their radar. You mention all the looters, I'm amazed to find out all the world's looters are in America apparently, but you never mention all the people leaving their homes from across the country to come and aid others. I quess the news didn't show that part, or else you would have mentioned it since you repeat whatever the news says or shows.

And what exactly would you do if you had warnings 4 years ago? Force all the people to move out of the area? Apparently you know a secret the rest of the world doesn't know about to stopping hurricanes. Mighty impressive knowledge you have there...

[Peerzy]

The French :unsure:

I didn't even watch all of BFC, i said Wal-Mart because the fact is, thats what the news had, it had footage of people in a Wal-Mart (Note: Not a Eckard's) nicking guns. So you're saying that because theres a film about Wal-Mart and guns we should refrain from using those two words in the same sentence, even if it's really whats happening? We must bend to truth now because you don't want two words that featured in a film together, a film which i saw about half of, then switched off cause it was shit?

@RF - I wasn't flaming or anything, it's just something like was flagged 4 years ago as a major threat and the American Government did fuck all about it.


Did the news footage also show police officers removing guns and ammo from stores so they cannot be looted? No, I quess that flew under their radar. You mention all the looters, I'm amazed to find out all the world's looters are in America apparently, but you never mention all the people leaving their homes from across the country to come and aid others. I quess the news didn't show that part, or else you would have mentioned it since you repeat whatever the news says or shows.

And what exactly would you do if you had warnings 4 years ago? Force all the people to move out of the area? Apparently you know a secret the rest of the world doesn't know about to stopping hurricanes. Mighty impressive knowledge you have there...


The News footage showed an Officer with a shotgun walking round town pointing it at people and telling them to get out of town and stop looting, which was a good thing, im not totally anti American.

Please quote me where i saw all the worlds looters are in America, or where i even implied it :blink:

I did not repeat everything that the news showed either, i simply selected a piece of news that i felt helped back up my point.

4 years ago, a hurricane attacking New O was the number 1 major risk of life to Americans, above terrorism, above earthquakes, above all of that. Later that year, the number 2 major risk of life to Americans happened. So what do you do? You cut as much funding as you possibly could from stopping and protecting from hurricanes and earthquakes.

Should we have forced all the people out of the area? No, you should have contined to fund and install protection instead of putting all the money into a war about WMD (Which were never found, ever.)

America new that the levees would not stand a level 5 hurricane, they were high enough, just not strong enough. So what happens when America see's a level 5 hurricane on the way? Shall we warn the people? Nah, lets keep it a secret and hope no one notices :pinch:

[Busyman]

The French :unsure:

I didn't even watch all of BFC, i said Wal-Mart because the fact is, thats what the news had, it had footage of people in a Wal-Mart (Note: Not a Eckard's) nicking guns. So you're saying that because theres a film about Wal-Mart and guns we should refrain from using those two words in the same sentence, even if it's really whats happening? We must bend to truth now because you don't want two words that featured in a film together, a film which i saw about half of, then switched off cause it was shit?

@RF - I wasn't flaming or anything, it's just something like was flagged 4 years ago as a major threat and the American Government did fuck all about it.


Did the news footage also show police officers removing guns and ammo from stores so they cannot be looted? No, I quess that flew under their radar. You mention all the looters, I'm amazed to find out all the world's looters are in America apparently, but you never mention all the people leaving their homes from across the country to come and aid others. I quess the news didn't show that part, or else you would have mentioned it since you repeat whatever the news says or shows.

And what exactly would you do if you had warnings 4 years ago? Force all the people to move out of the area? Apparently you know a secret the rest of the world doesn't know about to stopping hurricanes. Mighty impressive knowledge you have there...
You act like you've never seen AntiAmericanPeerzy post before.

He hates America and Americans...if that puts this into perspective. His posts will point out the worst of America and it's inhabitants.

He is a troller and it's only entertaining if, when you post, it's like talking to a terrorist that you can never actually put your hands on. Mmmk?

[BigBank_Hank]

That said, i have to respond to this:

And if we are in Iraq for oil then why is there a shortage of oil right now in the country? Why is the President asks us to conserve oil? According to you we should be swimming in it.

Because its supply and demand... The way Iraq has been treated has ensured that there is less supply than demand, hense huge price hikes in the the price of a barrel.

The people to benefit from this, until Katrina, has been the Oil Companies not in the Middle East, which can sell at that high price without the terrorism that is causing the problem there ... which ones are those again? Who runs them? Family name of Bush comes to mind for interests in a few of them.. :dry:

The reason there is a shortage of Oil in the country, is that the companies sell to the buyers... which can be from anywhere in the world. US companies dont keep their product in the US, they sell to the highest bidder like everyone else.

The US is a "Net" importer of Oil.

It imports more than it exports, that does not mean it doesnt export.
That’s just plain ridiculous. So according to you we invade a country to steal their oil but we don’t keep it for ourselves we sell it. Now we have a national crisis at hand and we have no oil for ourselves even though we use more than anyone else in the world, but we have plenty to sell to everyone else. Sounds logical.

[Peerzy]

Did the news footage also show police officers removing guns and ammo from stores so they cannot be looted? No, I quess that flew under their radar. You mention all the looters, I'm amazed to find out all the world's looters are in America apparently, but you never mention all the people leaving their homes from across the country to come and aid others. I quess the news didn't show that part, or else you would have mentioned it since you repeat whatever the news says or shows.

And what exactly would you do if you had warnings 4 years ago? Force all the people to move out of the area? Apparently you know a secret the rest of the world doesn't know about to stopping hurricanes. Mighty impressive knowledge you have there...
You act like you've never seen AntiAmericanPeerzy post before.

He hates America and Americans...if that puts this into perspective. His posts will point out the worst of America and it's inhabitants.

He is a troller and it's only entertaining if, when you post, it's like talking to a terrorist that you can never actually put your hands on. Mmmk?


Im as anti American as you are a blind pro american.

It's your view, your welcome to it. In my eyes your wrong, your eyes im wrong. Personally i know America isn't as bad as my posts make out, but im sure you know that America isn't as good as you try to make it, you defend America just for the sake of arguements, the same as a lot of the time i agrue anti america.

Im sure if you could see America from my eyes and from where i live in the world you would be anti american, same as if iwas in your location and viewing things from your eyes and brought up like you i would be very pro american.

I don't dislike you, Busy (much) infact at times i enjoy your pro american view point.

Personally i agree to disagree, as much as im keen to know why america is so good im sure your wondering how i could find america so bad.

[Busyman]

You act like you've never seen AntiAmericanPeerzy post before.

He hates America and Americans...if that puts this into perspective. His posts will point out the worst of America and it's inhabitants.

He is a troller and it's only entertaining if, when you post, it's like talking to a terrorist that you can never actually put your hands on. Mmmk?


Im as anti American as you are a blind pro american.

:lol: :lol: :lol:
You gotta be shittin' me!!!! :lol: :lol:

[j2k4]

Hmmm.

Mt. St. Helens is still emitting the occasional rumble; Bush had better pump big government bucks (taxpayer money, BTW) into emergency research and development of a giant cork, but evacuate the entire state of Washington indefinitely, just in case.

Another thing-

Every time I get pissy with certain people on this board, my posts disappear; a guy could get the idea that the imminence of the problem could be forecast as easily as a hurricane.

I wonder if I could interest Mr. Bush in heading the problem off at the pass with a massive infusion of funds and a pre-positioned archival back-up.

I just thought of something else for you, Peerzy-

If you believe Bush's policies have caused not only the hurricanes but tweaked them to especially deadly effect, then possibly you should acknowledge the power of a much Higher Power which, it is easily deduced, must be responsible for steering these storms on so unerring a path as to punish the citizens of the U.S. so unrelentingly for their hubris.

[Peerzy]

I just thought of something else for you, Peerzy-

If you believe Bush's policies have caused not only the hurricanes but tweaked them to especially deadly effect, then possibly you should acknowledge the power of a much Higher Power which, it is easily deduced, must be responsible for steering these storms on so unerring a path as to punish the citizens of the U.S. so unrelentingly for their hubris.

I have never said Bush caused the hurricane or tweaked it. I said he failed to act in preventing them from causing such massive damage and the high number of deaths.

[BigBank_Hank]

I just thought of something else for you, Peerzy-

If you believe Bush's policies have caused not only the hurricanes but tweaked them to especially deadly effect, then possibly you should acknowledge the power of a much Higher Power which, it is easily deduced, must be responsible for steering these storms on so unerring a path as to punish the citizens of the U.S. so unrelentingly for their hubris.

I have never said Bush caused the hurricane or tweaked it. I said he failed to act in preventing them from causing such massive damage and the high number of deaths.
Really?
The pollution America makes through buring F fuels is the cause of the storms, and is why they are getting worse and more frequent.
And didn’t you say in my other thread (before I asked for it to be removed) that it was his policies that led to this?

[Busyman]

I have never said Bush caused the hurricane or tweaked it. I said he failed to act in preventing them from causing such massive damage and the high number of deaths.
Really?
The pollution America makes through buring F fuels is the cause of the storms, and is why they are getting worse and more frequent.
And didn’t you say in my other thread (before I asked for it to be removed) that it was his policies that led to this?
Of course. Blame Bush for a natural disaster. :dry:



His real name is Sir August de Wynter.

[Peerzy]

I have never said Bush caused the hurricane or tweaked it. I said he failed to act in preventing them from causing such massive damage and the high number of deaths.
Really?
The pollution America makes through buring F fuels is the cause of the storms, and is why they are getting worse and more frequent.
And didn’t you say in my other thread (before I asked for it to be removed) that it was his policies that led to this?

So Bush is America now :blink:

[j2k4]

So Bush is America now :blink:

It's your story, you tell it.

[Peerzy]

So Bush is America now :blink:

It's your story, you tell it.


I did already, then Busyman & Hank tried to prove me wrong, shame there not too good at it, otherwise i would have been in deep shit :pinch:

[BigBank_Hank]

Ok you little prick is this clear enough for you?
Bush said something like he wouldn't stop making so many green house gases

That’s your quote from This (http://filesharingtalk.com/vb3/showpost.php?p=1122664&postcount=2) thread.

[Everose]

Really?
The pollution America makes through buring F fuels is the cause of the storms, and is why they are getting worse and more frequent.
And didn’t you say in my other thread (before I asked for it to be removed) that it was his policies that led to this?

So Bush is America now :blink:




Criminetly, Peerzy. Self analysis. Took you long enough to get to this. :lol: :lol:

[Peerzy]

Ok you little prick is this clear enough for you?
Bush said something like he wouldn't stop making so many green house gases

That’s your quote from This (http://filesharingtalk.com/vb3/showpost.php?p=1122664&postcount=2) thread.


Moi, a little prick :ohmy:

Your right you got me, however Bush isn't the one making the green house gases, it's the chemicals he uses :rolleyes:

[Busyman]

It's your story, you tell it.


I did already, then Busyman & Hank tried to prove me wrong, shame there not too good at it, otherwise i would have been in deep shit :pinch:
You are a shit reader. I never tried to prove you wrong.
He hates America and Americans...if that puts this into perspective. His posts will point out the worst of America and it's inhabitants.

He is a troller and it's only entertaining if, when you post, it's like talking to a terrorist that you can never actually put your hands on. Mmmk?
You point out some shit in American news. Why would I try to prove you wrong?

You are just a troller simple and plain.

Rodding or whateverthefuck is trolling.

[Peerzy]

I did already, then Busyman & Hank tried to prove me wrong, shame there not too good at it, otherwise i would have been in deep shit :pinch:
You are a shit reader. I never tried to prove you wrong.
He hates America and Americans...if that puts this into perspective. His posts will point out the worst of America and it's inhabitants.

He is a troller and it's only entertaining if, when you post, it's like talking to a terrorist that you can never actually put your hands on. Mmmk?
You point out some shit in American news. Why would I try to prove you wrong?

You are just a troller simple and plain.

Rodding or whateverthefuck is trolling.

Nope, see you Americans, American-ise everything. I saw it on British news, by British reporters, for the British watched, nothing American about my news thank you very much. I never mentioned once where i saw the news and by now even an American must have realised im not American myself. Mind you they do constantly raise the bar on stupidity.

You are just a troller simple and plain.

If im a toller with my anti American views, your a toller in the sense with your pro American views.

[tracydani]

I'm pretty sure he meant news about America not specifically American News programs.


How can you guys actually think this help can come any faster? But I am sure that if it did come faster, you would then be bitching about why we couldn't help others just as fast :rolleyes:

Nothing will satisfy people who think like you. It will always be something else that is just not quite right.

Keep in mind, I am against many things my country has done, but that does not mean everything we do is wrong or half assed.

[Peerzy]

Keep in mind, I am against many things my country has done, but that does not mean everything we do is wrong or half assed.

Yes, America isn't all that bad and has done some great things over the years, i just find patriotic Americans like Busyman who seem to turn a blind eye to anything anti American rather silly. He attempts to paint a picture of a wonderful land of freedom, where millions of people can live. Instead it's a place where people live in fear because the Government and people have pissed off too many countries, invaded and attacked too many people and done too many silly and stupid actions over the last 6-7 years.

How anyone can justify the Iraq war is beyond me. WMD? What WMD? You never found any?

What if Iran & Pakistan tomorrow just decided to invade American? Send hundreds of thousands of troops to America and shoot anyone who stood in their way. America has WMD's, so if another country was to invade Amerca it would be the same as the Iraq war, eccept America really has WMD's and not Oil.

Im sure the first thing America would do if it was invaded would be to send off the biggest, baddest rocket they have aimed at the capital city of the invading country. Yet when Iraqi people and Bin Laden do the same (or turn objects such as planes) against America it's all:

"Oh My God, please God Save America the land of the free and right. God will have pitty on our souls, we don't deserve this, those stupid Arabs they have destroyed the American way of life."

That kinda bullshit.

Then comes the stupid Busy patriotic speech:

"By god, these Terrorists will not win! America will continue to fight for whats right, and we will not give in. America is Gods land, and we're not gonna let someone take this land from us. Lets gett'em boys!"

But like i said, not everything American is bad, Burger King's quite nice really :01:

[Everose]

Peerzy:

I grew up in a family with three sisters. We are very close now. But while growing up, we definitely did our share of fighting with each other. I still have scars, and I am sure they do too! :D

I guess I am trying to explain something on a very basic level to you.

There were many times my sisters did things I didn't like. Many times they did things I hated and detested. You can bet your bottom dollar that I had my eyes wide open when it came to my sisters, and they had theirs open with me.

Funny thing is.......we did all this fighting with each other but when one of us was attacked from someone outside the family, unfairly or not.........we could always count on each other's support and loyalty. It did not mean we couldn't see our sister's own actions might have not helped the situation, might even have brought the situation on themselves. We were family and the fact that we disagreed with what each other did sometimes did not change that.

This type of loyalty is not a blind loyalty. It is not a bad thing, it is actually to be commended.

I have to laugh at your comments about Busyman's blind eye to anything anti-American. Do you actually read his posts?

Many, many Americans are filled with conflict within these days. We don't all agree with each other, or our government. What country does?

You see, we are aware of many of our own faults and our own governments faults. We listen to advice from other people outside our country. We listen to their views, especially when they are helpful and constructive opinions.

I can only speak for myself here, but when all is said......when the day is done...........all is considered..........I am very proud to be American.

[peat moss]

How did this thread turn in to an anti American bashing ? Seems like a chicken shit thing to kick soneone when their down. I'm not American either and have my own issues with the Bush adminitration , softwood duties being one .

I'm sure this disaster will keep us flaming long after its cleaned up tho. I could n't help but be moved while reading Bighanks posts. I wish the Canadians would get off their asses and help more too.

[Peerzy]

Peerzy:

I grew up in a family with three sisters. We are very close now. But while growing up, we definitely did our share of fighting with each other. I still have scars, and I am sure they do too! :D

I guess I am trying to explain something on a very basic level to you.

There were many times my sisters did things I didn't like. Many times they did things I hated and detested. You can bet your bottom dollar that I had my eyes wide open when it came to my sisters, and they had theirs open with me.

Funny thing is.......we did all this fighting with each other but when one of us was attacked from someone outside the family, unfairly or not.........we could always count on each other's support and loyalty. It did not mean we couldn't see our sister's own actions might have not helped the situation, might even have brought the situation on themselves. We were family and the fact that we disagreed with what each other did sometimes did not change that.

This type of loyalty is not a blind loyalty. It is not a bad thing, it is actually to be commended.

I have to laugh at your comments about Busyman's blind eye to anything anti-American. Do you actually read his posts?

Many, many Americans are filled with conflict within these days. We don't all agree with each other, or our government. What country does?

You see, we are aware of many of our own faults and our own governments faults. We listen to advice from other people outside our country. We listen to their views, especially when they are helpful and constructive opinions.

I can only speak for myself here, but when all is said......when the day is done...........all is considered..........I am very proud to be American.


The British are different. Were not sheep. We don't all grab a giant American flag and 3 uzi's whenever we hear we invaded someone new. From what i've read of Busymans post's he hasn't posted anything negative about his governments actions with the Iraq war and what followed. He also for some reason needs 7 guns in his house (for protection of course)

So if Iran invaded America, because America has WMD's (the same reason you gave to invade Iraq) what would the American government do?

"Lets gett'em boys"

[peat moss]

I see the EU is helping with the oil crisis caused by the storm .


http://quote.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=10000006&sid=a1mnV.ttx7.0&refer=home

[ziggyjuarez]

I seen this live on tV today and i found it at this site.
http://movies.crooksandliars.com/Anderson-Cooper-Landrieu-Katrina1.wmv
Cooper started the interview this way:

Cooper: "Does the federal government bear any responsibility for what is happening, should they apologize for what is happening now?"

Landrieu put on a happy face and thanked all the wonderful politicians for showing their support. I mean WTF? Everyone is worried about their own asses and doing little if anything for the people on the ground.

[Busyman]

You are a shit reader. I never tried to prove you wrong.
He hates America and Americans...if that puts this into perspective. His posts will point out the worst of America and it's inhabitants.

He is a troller and it's only entertaining if, when you post, it's like talking to a terrorist that you can never actually put your hands on. Mmmk?
You point out some shit in American news. Why would I try to prove you wrong?

You are just a troller simple and plain.

Rodding or whateverthefuck is trolling.

Nope, see you Americans, American-ise everything. I saw it on British news, by British reporters, for the British watched, nothing American about my news thank you very much. I never mentioned once where i saw the news and by now even an American must have realised im not American myself. Mind you they do constantly raise the bar on stupidity.

You are just a troller simple and plain.

If im a toller with my anti American views, your a toller in the sense with your pro American views.
Are you that stupid? It's in American news. You are really shit at reading and raised the bar for stupidity.

..and wtf are you talking about? I said nothing about hitting dinner bells. I said you are a troller. :huh:

You've obviously proven that you strive to have common sense when to everyone else it's simply....common.

[Busyman]

From what i've read of Busymans post's he hasn't posted anything negative about his governments actions with the Iraq war and what followed. He also for some reason needs 7 guns in his house (for protection of course).
:lol: :lol: :lol:

Make no mistake. I am a patriot. However, you need to go back to skewul.

RIF

[Peerzy]

Yes, RIF indeed :huh:

[GepperRankins]

why should anyone donate?

not saying this from a selfish anti american point of view. it's disgusting to see the government asking the civilians that they tax, to give them money to do the job the tax should pay for.

nice little civil war you got going down there :happy: power to the people!1! :01:

[tracydani]

I see the EU is helping with the oil crisis caused by the storm .


http://quote.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=10000006&sid=a1mnV.ttx7.0&refer=home

Thanks guys :)

[Rat Faced]

@ Hank,

yes your Oil Companies sell to the highest bidder just like everyone else's does. Thats why you pay $70 a barrel, just like everyone else.

US is also the 15th largest exporter of Gas.

@ Peerzy,

Stop it already.

I havent read the last few pages, but from what i read prior to that..

Just about everyone that had transport and wished to left prior to the Hurricane, leaving all those that didnt have transport ie: The Poorest, to fend for themselves.

5 days after the hurricane, there is finally a convoy delivering Food and Water.. call me cynical that its the same day as Bush decides to get off his fat arse and visit.

However, for 4 days 1000's of people have been without food and water, in the richest country on Earth. Im bloody sure I and most people on this board (especially those with kids) would also be looting to survive.

There's also huge, uncontrolled crime, so id also be getting me a bloody gun to protect my familly from a lot of other desperate people!!! And so would you be, in the same situation.



It shocked the hell out of me yesterday, when the Mayor of New Orleans was telling the world that 95% of the looters were trying to find food and water.. that the President of the USA announced there should be zero tolerance on looting.

In other words, shoot those that want to eat and drink, let them wait 'till I get there with the convoy. Way to go... :ph34r:

[Rat Faced]

why should anyone donate?

not saying this from a selfish anti american point of view. it's disgusting to see the government asking the civilians that they tax, to give them money to do the job the tax should pay for.

nice little civil war you got going down there :happy: power to the people!1! :01:

Because those taxes pay for the infrastructure, not the business' that keep people alive.

Nor the little people that couldnt afford insurance (and those that the insurance companies rip off).

The donations to charity will help rebuild the community, not the bloody roads that the taxes will.

[BigBank_Hank]

Hold up just one second Rat. You can’t eat tennis shoes, jewelry, Cadillac’s, electronics, firearms, and school buses all of which have been stolen. They are only going after the one, which are stealing to try to profit from this situation. The ones that armed and dangerous and terrorizing the people there are the people that the National Guard is going after. The people who are stealing food and water and not being targeted by the police.

[Rat Faced]

I agree, that 5% are scumbags and deserve everything you can throw at them.

However, they are all looters.

Zero Tollerance only has one meaning in this context.

The Police, the Mayor and the National Guard... NONE of these people have mentioned zero tollerance. Only one guy...



BTW: If there were buses to be stolen, why werent they used to evaquate before the Hurricane?

Actually, i saw pictures of a depot full of school buses under water.. why werent they all used?

[BigBank_Hank]

The buses that were stolen were actually high jacked while in route to take them to Houston. The people on the bus threatened the bus driver, he stopped the bus they commandeered the bus and god knows where they are now. This happened more than once so there are now some members of the guard have to accompany the buses.

[ZeroTolerance]

i stay in houston , i would took one too if i was stranded , foodless, waterless and aint have nothin, now houston is now offically new orleans home. they doing all types of stuff down here, car jacking , its krazy down here for real for real

[ZeroTolerance]

I agree, that 5% are scumbags and deserve everything you can throw at them.

However, they are all looters.

Zero Tollerance only has one meaning in this context.

The Police, the Mayor and the National Guard... NONE of these people have mentioned zero tollerance. Only one guy...



BTW: If there were buses to be stolen, why werent they used to evaquate before the Hurricane?

Actually, i saw pictures of a depot full of school buses under water.. why werent they all used?


people are literally dying because of not getting food water and medicine,not taking baths , dirty clothes. now u tell me u wouldnt try to do anything to survive, i understand where u comming from , some are just looting for the want but some are looting for the need, i heard first hand stories , the gov't draggin their azzes to help them folks down there and one reason why is because they are black o yes i said it its because they are black point blank

[Everose]

I have just heard where over 60 countries have offered assistance. No offer has been turned down. I want to thank all who care. Even Sri Lanka. And they have definitely had their own disaster to deal with.

[Everose]

@ Hank,

yes your Oil Companies sell to the highest bidder just like everyone else's does. Thats why you pay $70 a barrel, just like everyone else.

US is also the 15th largest exporter of Gas.

@ Peerzy,

Stop it already.

I havent read the last few pages, but from what i read prior to that..

Just about everyone that had transport and wished to left prior to the Hurricane, leaving all those that didnt have transport ie: The Poorest, to fend for themselves.

5 days after the hurricane, there is finally a convoy delivering Food and Water.. call me cynical that its the same day as Bush decides to get off his fat arse and visit.

However, for 4 days 1000's of people have been without food and water, in the richest country on Earth. Im bloody sure I and most people on this board (especially those with kids) would also be looting to survive.

There's also huge, uncontrolled crime, so id also be getting me a bloody gun to protect my familly from a lot of other desperate people!!! And so would you be, in the same situation.



It shocked the hell out of me yesterday, when the Mayor of New Orleans was telling the world that 95% of the looters were trying to find food and water.. that the President of the USA announced there should be zero tolerance on looting.

In other words, shoot those that want to eat and drink, let them wait 'till I get there with the convoy. Way to go... :ph34r:


RF, I am concerned that you believe no water and food was brought in by all means unavailable until today. I don't understand this belief, whether it is lack of news that you are receiving or what.

Leadership at the local level is crucial. If anything, this will be a wake up call to Governors to do everthing they can to prepare for and secure their state in such disasters until the assistance they are responsible for requesting (after all...they are the ones on site who are a lot better to ascertain their citizens needs.) arrive.

I also reiterate this is the worst disaster on record in the United States.

[peat moss]

I found this, if anything it's raw and honest . Its a blog from people holed up in their office .





http://news.zdnet.com/Blog+offers+rare+glimpse+inside+the+chaos/2100-9588_22-5846830.html?part=netscape-zdnet&tag=mynetscape&subj=technews

[j2k4]

I find myself wondering what this thread would be like if Americans didn't post here.

[BigBank_Hank]

Ok guys this is the assessment of the week that transpired.

The Governor of the state had no worst case scenario plan for any situation like this. She only had 7,000 troops to respond to what went is going on in N.O. even though there was a week to prepare. The Mayor of N.O. who is on TV ranting an raving about getting help also had no worst case scenario plan and he did ask the Governor for help in advance even though he had a week to prepare.

So now we have the situation that’s unfolding there right now and everyone’s crying that the Federal government isn’t doing enough when it’s the Governor of the state and the Mayor of the city who are running things here. The Feds relief took so long to get there because the people who are in charge of the state don’t have a clue as to who to do so they blame Bush because it’s convenient. The President can only respond to what the local officials ask for and they didn’t ask for huge numbers of National Guardsmen, Military police, food, and water to be pre positioned and ready to go as soon as the weather calmed down. Now they’re all crying Bush Bush but they are the one’s who sat around for a week.

Now we have a giant mess in the city of N.O. and no one is in control. Nobody knows what the hell is going on and no one here seems to want to take chare of this situation. Someone has to step forward and take control of this so there can be one person in charge who calls the shots. Right now what we have is to many cooks in the kitchen and everyone is pulling in different directions instead of together. After 9/11 Rudy Guilani was the man in control and he called all the shots. We desperately need someone to take the reins of this so everything can start to coordinate.

Something better happen and fast.

[Guillaume]

I find myself wondering what this thread would be like if Americans didn't post here.

About the same. Some would post about about how ironic that catastrophe is, other would post messages of support.
And others would ask how to donate. I can't access the american red cross site BBH posted the other day. Any other NGO I could give to?

[GepperRankins]

I found this, if anything it's raw and honest . Its a blog from people holed up in their office .





http://news.zdnet.com/Blog+offers+rare+glimpse+inside+the+chaos/2100-9588_22-5846830.html?part=netscape-zdnet&tag=mynetscape&subj=technews
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http://www.gnn.tv/headlines/4633/Desperation_Disorder_Survival_in_New_Orleans




j2. i imagine if there were no americans in this thread we would all agree. :P



so now your government is probably responsible for breakdown of law and order and thousands dead, and more importantly they lost 20% of their oil production are they going to look into this global warming thing?

[muchspl3]

anyone want some pics?

I zipped all my friends sent me from new orleans and gulfport its 9.33 MB so someone should post some in this thread of they feel so inclined
http://s46.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=05GG6ZZII933M226BU6CFIIM8M
I don't have time to upload all these pics....


edit another link
http://s24.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=3ORXWRMT16FLR3GCIIPTN5BO8B

[peat moss]

I find myself wondering what this thread would be like if Americans didn't post here.


Good point friend I think I'll skip this forum for awhile not what I thought sharing was about ,sadly its political differences and I do n't have time for that when it involves a nation hurting . :(

I liked everrose's reponce , you know who your friends are in times of trouble ...... :)

[maebach]

anyone want some pics?

I zipped all my friends sent me from new orleans and gulfport its 9.33 MB so someone should post some in this thread of they feel so inclined
http://s46.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=05GG6ZZII933M226BU6CFIIM8M
I don't have time to upload all these pics....


edit another link
http://s24.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=3ORXWRMT16FLR3GCIIPTN5BO8B

I took a look at them, sometimes I can't believe its America. The greatest coun try of em all. It's so close.

[15%]

Ok guys this is the assessment of the week that transpired.

The Governor of the state had no worst case scenario plan for any situation like this. She only had 7,000 troops to respond to what went is going on in N.O. even though there was a week to prepare. The Mayor of N.O. who is on TV ranting an raving about getting help also had no worst case scenario plan and he did ask the Governor for help in advance even though he had a week to prepare.

So now we have the situation that’s unfolding there right now and everyone’s crying that the Federal government isn’t doing enough when it’s the Governor of the state and the Mayor of the city who are running things here. The Feds relief took so long to get there because the people who are in charge of the state don’t have a clue as to who to do so they blame Bush because it’s convenient. The President can only respond to what the local officials ask for and they didn’t ask for huge numbers of National Guardsmen, Military police, food, and water to be pre positioned and ready to go as soon as the weather calmed down. Now they’re all crying Bush Bush but they are the one’s who sat around for a week.

Now we have a giant mess in the city of N.O. and no one is in control. Nobody knows what the hell is going on and no one here seems to want to take chare of this situation. Someone has to step forward and take control of this so there can be one person in charge who calls the shots. Right now what we have is to many cooks in the kitchen and everyone is pulling in different directions instead of together. After 9/11 Rudy Guilani was the man in control and he called all the shots. We desperately need someone to take the reins of this so everything can start to coordinate.

Something better happen and fast.


thanks for explanation, after watching cnn last night that is the explanation i concluded - it sounds like beaurocratic political game world.
When i heard the mayor speak in an interview with wwl radio i thought he was some rapper from the streets - very undiplomatic eloquence which i liked.("man,dude,assholes,bleep,bleep") with alot of blaming - he even says i don't know if ill have a job after this interview..
i tried to find a recording of the interview - but both wwl radio and cnn seem to have removed them maybe because it is so "passionate".- or as you call ranting & raving - very down to earth guy.
heres a cuter version - http://dynamic.cnn.com/apps/tp/video/us/2005/08/31/sot.magin.mad.affl/video.ws.asx?NGUserID=false&adDEmas=deReg%3AR08%26deBand%3Ahi%26deDom%3Achello.no%26deSic%3D0%26deCoun%3Anor%26deDMA%3A-1%26deZip%3A0%26deGMT%3A+2

[whypikonme]

When something like this happens in Australia, it's a federal emergency as well as a state one, all resources are put into place, immediately. Our cities are far more isolated than yours too, but all the wheels are set in motion at the same time.

That this should be the responsibility of the state Governor, and responded to federally by request, is a disgrace.

[JPaul]

When something like this happens in Australia, it's a federal emergency as well as a state one, all resources are put into place, immediately. Our cities are far more isolated than yours too, but all the wheels are set in motion at the same time.

That this should be the responsibility of the state Governor, and responded to federally by request, is a disgrace.
You're an Australian then, Cobber.

Or did you emigrate there.

[Busyman]

After a went home from work yesterday, I was still having a problem with the telphone central office getting an ISDN line to work for the DC mayor's video conference system.........

So I'm on the phone (at home ffs 'cause it wasn't a field problem) back and forth with DC government technicians trying to tell them to sit tight....

I call a Verizon (my company) central office technician to run a test to see if we see the video conference equipment up.......

While she doing that I tell her, "There are alot of people pissed at the slow response." Mind you I had just seen Kanye West's remarks...it was late.

She says, "Well most of the them down there are on welfare anyway and they are just looking for another hand-out."

Bitch. :angry:

I tell her that this is a disaster and has nothing to do with social welfare, it's the most basic welfare...survival.

Mind you I didn't curse the bitch out 'cause it's work (off-the clock work though). :ermm:

[GepperRankins]

Ok guys this is the assessment of the week that transpired.

The Governor of the state had no worst case scenario plan for any situation like this. She only had 7,000 troops to respond to what went is going on in N.O. even though there was a week to prepare. The Mayor of N.O. who is on TV ranting an raving about getting help also had no worst case scenario plan and he did ask the Governor for help in advance even though he had a week to prepare.

So now we have the situation that’s unfolding there right now and everyone’s crying that the Federal government isn’t doing enough when it’s the Governor of the state and the Mayor of the city who are running things here. The Feds relief took so long to get there because the people who are in charge of the state don’t have a clue as to who to do so they blame Bush because it’s convenient. The President can only respond to what the local officials ask for and they didn’t ask for huge numbers of National Guardsmen, Military police, food, and water to be pre positioned and ready to go as soon as the weather calmed down. Now they’re all crying Bush Bush but they are the one’s who sat around for a week.

Now we have a giant mess in the city of N.O. and no one is in control. Nobody knows what the hell is going on and no one here seems to want to take chare of this situation. Someone has to step forward and take control of this so there can be one person in charge who calls the shots. Right now what we have is to many cooks in the kitchen and everyone is pulling in different directions instead of together. After 9/11 Rudy Guilani was the man in control and he called all the shots. We desperately need someone to take the reins of this so everything can start to coordinate.

Something better happen and fast.


thanks for explanation, after watching cnn last night that is the explanation i concluded - it sounds like beaurocratic political game world.
When i heard the mayor speak in an interview with wwl radio i thought he was some rapper from the streets - very undiplomatic eloquence which i liked.("man,dude,assholes,bleep,bleep") with alot of blaming - he even says i don't know if ill have a job after this interview..
i tried to find a recording of the interview - but both wwl radio and cnn seem to have removed them maybe because it is so "passionate".- or as you call ranting & raving - very down to earth guy.
heres a cuter version - http://dynamic.cnn.com/apps/tp/video/us/2005/08/31/sot.magin.mad.affl/video.ws.asx?NGUserID=false&adDEmas=deReg%3AR08%26deBand%3Ahi%26deDom%3Achello.no%26deSic%3D0%26deCoun%3Anor%26deDMA%3A-1%26deZip%3A0%26deGMT%3A+2
http://thepiratebay.org/details.php?id=3378111

[BigBank_Hank]

After a went home from work yesterday, I was still having a problem with the telphone central office getting an ISDN line to work for the DC mayor's video conference system.........

So I'm on the phone (at home ffs 'cause it wasn't a field problem) back and forth with DC government technicians trying to tell them to sit tight....

I call a Verizon (my company) central office technician to run a test to see if we see the video conference equipment up.......

While she doing that I tell her, "There are alot of people pissed at the slow response." Mind you I had just seen Kanye West's remarks...it was late.

She says, "Well most of the them down there are on welfare anyway and they are just looking for another hand-out."

Bitch. :angry:

I tell her that this is a disaster and has nothing to do with social welfare, it's the most basic welfare...survival.

Mind you I didn't curse the bitch out 'cause it's work (off-the clock work though). :ermm:
B while I don’t agree with her comments wholeheartedly she has a point. In a situation like this you have to want to help yourself and most of these people don’t want to. The majority that stayed even though they were told to leave for 2 or 3 days stayed because they thought that it would be safe, and if something happened someone would come to their rescue. Now they decided to stay and they didn’t stock up on water, food anything. They all figured that someone would be there for them if things got bad.

Where I live the storm wasn’t supposed to be bad, which thank god it wasn’t. The day before the storm I bought a ton of water, bread, sandwich meats, can goods and so on just in case things got rough here. Turns out that I didn’t need any of it but you know what none of that stuff will go bad and I’ll use all of it. I’ve been though this many times and you absolutely have to do for yourself and not be dependent on someone coming in to help. It’s a survival mode that I go into before something like this. I think about what I need to do to survive for a couple of days if need be.

[GepperRankins]

After a went home from work yesterday, I was still having a problem with the telphone central office getting an ISDN line to work for the DC mayor's video conference system.........

So I'm on the phone (at home ffs 'cause it wasn't a field problem) back and forth with DC government technicians trying to tell them to sit tight....

I call a Verizon (my company) central office technician to run a test to see if we see the video conference equipment up.......

While she doing that I tell her, "There are alot of people pissed at the slow response." Mind you I had just seen Kanye West's remarks...it was late.

She says, "Well most of the them down there are on welfare anyway and they are just looking for another hand-out."

Bitch. :angry:

I tell her that this is a disaster and has nothing to do with social welfare, it's the most basic welfare...survival.

Mind you I didn't curse the bitch out 'cause it's work (off-the clock work though). :ermm:
B while I don’t agree with her comments wholeheartedly she has a point. In a situation like this you have to want to help yourself and most of these people don’t want to. The majority that stayed even though they were told to leave for 2 or 3 days stayed because they thought that it would be safe, and if something happened someone would come to their rescue. Now they decided to stay and they didn’t stock up on water, food anything. They all figured that someone would be there for them if things got bad.

Where I live the storm wasn’t supposed to be bad, which thank god it wasn’t. The day before the storm I bought a ton of water, bread, sandwich meats, can goods and so on just in case things got rough here. Turns out that I didn’t need any of it but you know what none of that stuff will go bad and I’ll use all of it. I’ve been though this many times and you absolutely have to do for yourself and not be dependent on someone coming in to help. It’s a survival mode that I go into before something like this. I think about what I need to do to survive for a couple of days if need be.
they couldn't afford to leave and had nowhere to stay outside the projects. they didn't want to risk having their homes looted. they probably couldn't afford to get emergency food as it was the end of the month and they had barely enough money to live on anyway.

[Busyman]

After a went home from work yesterday, I was still having a problem with the telphone central office getting an ISDN line to work for the DC mayor's video conference system.........

So I'm on the phone (at home ffs 'cause it wasn't a field problem) back and forth with DC government technicians trying to tell them to sit tight....

I call a Verizon (my company) central office technician to run a test to see if we see the video conference equipment up.......

While she doing that I tell her, "There are alot of people pissed at the slow response." Mind you I had just seen Kanye West's remarks...it was late.

She says, "Well most of the them down there are on welfare anyway and they are just looking for another hand-out."

Bitch. :angry:

I tell her that this is a disaster and has nothing to do with social welfare, it's the most basic welfare...survival.

Mind you I didn't curse the bitch out 'cause it's work (off-the clock work though). :ermm:
B while I don’t agree with her comments wholeheartedly she has a point. In a situation like this you have to want to help yourself and most of these people don’t want to. The majority that stayed even though they were told to leave for 2 or 3 days stayed because they thought that it would be safe, and if something happened someone would come to their rescue. Now they decided to stay and they didn’t stock up on water, food anything. They all figured that someone would be there for them if things got bad.

Where I live the storm wasn’t supposed to be bad, which thank god it wasn’t. The day before the storm I bought a ton of water, bread, sandwich meats, can goods and so on just in case things got rough here. Turns out that I didn’t need any of it but you know what none of that stuff will go bad and I’ll use all of it. I’ve been though this many times and you absolutely have to do for yourself and not be dependent on someone coming in to help. It’s a survival mode that I go into before something like this. I think about what I need to do to survive for a couple of days if need be.
You're absolutely right Hank...

They should have walked to the next state or stocked up on food they had no money for. :dry:

She has no point.

Who cares what you stock up on if you can't carry it to your roof top. Fuck off. Your fucking house isn't submerged smart guy. Some people don't have cars and SUVs.

Fact is it's very possible that the way you and that bitch ass CO tech look at it, the Prez might look at it and see from the news the most of the folk there don't have pink toes. :ohmy: Quite possible. :pinch:

I remember some African country that decided they didn't want Jews around anymore. Israel did 24 hr airlifts to get them out.

How the fuck can you "don’t agree with her comments wholeheartedly" but "she has a point" anyway.

It's not like I quoted her for an entire paragraph. She made one statement.

[BigBank_Hank]

What did I tell you? You have to want to help yourself.

Not all of those that stayed couldn’t afford to. A lot of people that stayed said that they thought that if they could survive hurricane Camille they could survive anything. They were wrong.

[GepperRankins]

B while I don’t agree with her comments wholeheartedly she has a point. In a situation like this you have to want to help yourself and most of these people don’t want to. The majority that stayed even though they were told to leave for 2 or 3 days stayed because they thought that it would be safe, and if something happened someone would come to their rescue. Now they decided to stay and they didn’t stock up on water, food anything. They all figured that someone would be there for them if things got bad.

Where I live the storm wasn’t supposed to be bad, which thank god it wasn’t. The day before the storm I bought a ton of water, bread, sandwich meats, can goods and so on just in case things got rough here. Turns out that I didn’t need any of it but you know what none of that stuff will go bad and I’ll use all of it. I’ve been though this many times and you absolutely have to do for yourself and not be dependent on someone coming in to help. It’s a survival mode that I go into before something like this. I think about what I need to do to survive for a couple of days if need be.
You're absolutely right Hank...

They should have walked to the next state or stocked up on food they had no money for. :dry:

She has no point.

Who cares what you stock up on if you can't carry it to your roof top. Fuck off. Your fucking house isn't submerged smart guy. Some people don't have cars and SUVs.

Fact is it's very possible that the way you and that bitch ass CO tech look at it, the Prez might look at it and see from the news the most of the folk there don't have pink toes. :ohmy: Quite possible. :pinch:

I remember some African country that decided they didn't want Jews around anymore. Israel did 24 hr airlifts to get them out.

How the fuck can you "don’t agree with her comments wholeheartedly" but "she has a point" anyway.

It's not like I quoted her for an entire paragraph. She made one statement.
think about it busyman. "if i don't walk 300 miles in two days the government will give me money"


i know what i'd do

[Busyman]

What did I tell you? You have to want to help yourself.

Not all of those that stayed couldn’t afford to. A lot of people that stayed said that they thought that if they could survive hurricane Camille they could survive anything. They were wrong.
Oh damn they polled all those survivors. :ohmy: ...and they all said if "[If I] could survive hurricane Camille [I] could survive anything." :dry:

So the people that didn't get out should fuck off then 'cause they didn't walk to safety. Riiiight. Your dumbass comment fits only those who have the means.

The fact is we should be more about America than other countries.

Why the fuck didn't we tell the Iraqi's to help themselves in fighting Saddam?
Why the fuck are we losing more in (tax dollars and lives) in another fucking country fighting for freedom than some of our own domestic issues?

Mind you this has just started but it's a shit pattern.

Put American interests first then take care of other shit.

edit: and this shit is mostly because the levies broke. Who foresaw that?
You got elderly folks, women with newborns, etc....and then you've got
You have to want to help yourself.

[BigBank_Hank]

Listen I said that there were some that could have gotten out that didn’t. I know someone that lives in Biloxi and they have money and they didn’t leave even though we begged them to. Want to guess why? The house that they live in survived Camille. They survived the storm but the house didn’t. There were people in the city that could have left that didn’t is all I’m saying. Those people had money and chose to stay. Fats Domino is another example. He’s a very famous musician here in the state that’s very wealthy and stayed in his condo downtown.

and this shit is mostly because the levies broke. Who foresaw that?
Are you kidding me? Who saw that coming? People have been saying that for years and years now. Hurricanes aren’t something new here. Everyone in the whole damn city knew that the levees could not withstand a cat 4 storms on up, everyone. They were designed for storms up to cat 3 strength.

[Busyman]

Listen I said that there were some that could have gotten out that didn’t. I know someone that lives in Biloxi and they have money and they didn’t leave even though we begged them to. Want to guess why? The house that they live in survived Camille. They survived the storm but the house didn’t. There were people in the city that could have left that didn’t is all I’m saying. Those people had money and chose to stay. Fats Domino is another example. He’s a very famous musician here in the state that’s very wealthy and stayed in his condo downtown.

and this shit is mostly because the levies broke. Who foresaw that?
Are you kidding me? Who saw that coming? People have been saying that for years and years now. Hurricanes aren’t something new here. Everyone in the whole damn city knew that the levees could not withstand a cat 4 storms on up, everyone. They were designed for storms up to cat 3 strength.
Ahaaaaa...I knew that.

Guess who denied the money to fix them years ago? :dry:

Bush merged FEMA with HLS after 9/11 so they competed for money. Guess who won?

This happened and our borders are still porous. :dry:

Look at this bitch shit
Bullshit comforting (http://www.democraticunderground.com/images/homepage/20050903_bushcomfortvideo.wmv)

[RPerry]

Oh damn they polled all those survivors. :ohmy: ...and they all said if "[If I] could survive hurricane Camille [I] could survive anything." :dry:

So the people that didn't get out should fuck off then 'cause they didn't walk to safety. Riiiight. Your dumbass comment fits only those who have the means.


Sorry Busyman, but I watched the news that night as well, and saw many who thought Katrina was a joke. They were partying to the last minute on Burbon St. A bunch claimed " The media is just hyping this up". At the time most of those comments were made, Katrina was a catergory 5 storm. My heart goes out to some of the people who got caught up in this without a choice ( mostly children and wife's of asshole husbands/fathers who thought they had all the answers) and to the poor of New Orleans who had no choice of where to go.

[GepperRankins]

i'm guessing 90% of those caught up didn't have a choice

[15%]

Why does the u.s. need to decide whether they will "accept" the offers of help money supplies etc from foreign countries?
does politics always have to be this sneaky?

[Busyman]

Oh damn they polled all those survivors. :ohmy: ...and they all said if "[If I] could survive hurricane Camille [I] could survive anything." :dry:

So the people that didn't get out should fuck off then 'cause they didn't walk to safety. Riiiight. Your dumbass comment fits only those who have the means.


Sorry Busyman, but I watched the news that night as well, and saw many who thought Katrina was a joke. They were partying to the last minute on Burbon St. A bunch claimed " The media is just hyping this up". At the time most of those comments were made, Katrina was a catergory 5 storm. My heart goes out to some of the people who got caught up in this without a choice ( mostly children and wife's of asshole husbands/fathers who thought they had all the answers) and to the poor of New Orleans who had no choice of where to go.
Sorry as well RP. Your first through third sentences get a "No :shit: ".

Your last is what I'm talking about quite obviously. :ermm:

I hope a couple news clips of partying don't give you the entire picture nor, in light of what has happened, should it matter.

[peat moss]

Why does the u.s. need to decide whether they will "accept" the offers of help money supplies etc from foreign countries?
does politics always have to be this sneaky?


I read the Swiss were offering their oil reserves , they have oil ?

[JPaul]

The fact is we should be more about America than other countries.

Why the fuck didn't we tell the Iraqi's to help themselves in fighting Saddam?
Why the fuck are we losing more in (tax dollars and lives) in another fucking country fighting for freedom than some of our own domestic issues?


The fact that the USA spends a lot on matters outside of the USA is contrary to the wishes of a lot of other people, not because of them.

It is very much a matter of "your choice".

[JPaul]

Why does the u.s. need to decide whether they will "accept" the offers of help money supplies etc from foreign countries?
does politics always have to be this sneaky?


I read the Swiss were offering their oil reserves , they have oil ?
They also have a navy.

[GepperRankins]

I read the Swiss were offering their oil reserves , they have oil ?
They also have a navy.
the army isn't much to worry about though, unless you're a bottle of beer :ermm:

[ziggyjuarez]

Dont we need a large area for nuclear waste :shifty:

[JPaul]

They also have a navy.
the army isn't much to worry about though, unless you're a bottle of beer :ermm:
Or a stone in a horse's shoe.

[BigBank_Hank]

I think that the majority of the people have been evacuated now. Not all of them but most of them have been taken to shelters. That begs the question what do we do with these people now? This is going to be a long term thing and I can’t see all of these people staying in sports arenas and convention centers for 6 months on up.

[Rat Faced]

edit: and this shit is mostly because the levies broke. Who foresaw that?

Lots of people for quite a while.

The Federal Money that was repairing and upkeeping the Levies stopped when Iraq started.. matter of priorities dontcha know.

The main break occurred in a section where the Feds had just told them to sod off, when begged for money to repair earlier this year... well, this isnt strictly true, The Whitehouse blocked it. ;)

Even though Hurricane Katrina has moved well north of the city, the waters may still keep rising in New Orleans. That's because Lake Pontchartrain continues to pour through a two-block-long break in the main levee, near the city's 17th Street Canal. With much of the Crescent City some 10 feet below sea level, the rising tide may not stop until it's level with the massive lake.

New Orleans had long known it was highly vulnerable to flooding and a direct hit from a hurricane. In fact, the federal government has been working with state and local officials in the region since the late 1960s on major hurricane and flood relief efforts. When flooding from a massive rainstorm in May 1995 killed six people, Congress authorized the Southeast Louisiana Urban Flood Control Project, or SELA.

Over the next 10 years, the Army Corps of Engineers, tasked with carrying out SELA, spent $430 million on shoring up levees and building pumping stations, with $50 million in local aid. But at least $250 million in crucial projects remained, even as hurricane activity in the Atlantic Basin increased dramatically and the levees surrounding New Orleans continued to subside.

Yet after 2003, the flow of federal dollars toward SELA dropped to a trickle. The Corps never tried to hide the fact that the spending pressures of the war in Iraq, as well as homeland security -- coming at the same time as federal tax cuts -- was the reason for the strain. At least nine articles in the Times-Picayune from 2004 and 2005 specifically cite the cost of Iraq as a reason for the lack of hurricane- and flood-control dollars.

Newhouse News Service, in an article posted late Tuesday night at The Times-Picayune Web site, reported: "No one can say they didn't see it coming. ... Now in the wake of one of the worst storms ever, serious questions are being asked about the lack of preparation."

In early 2004, as the cost of the conflict in Iraq soared, President Bush proposed spending less than 20 percent of what the Corps said was needed for Lake Pontchartrain, according to a Feb. 16, 2004, article, in New Orleans CityBusiness.

On June 8, 2004, Walter Maestri, emergency management chief for Jefferson Parish, Louisiana; told the Times-Picayune: "It appears that the money has been moved in the president's budget to handle homeland security and the war in Iraq, and I suppose that's the price we pay. Nobody locally is happy that the levees can't be finished, and we are doing everything we can to make the case that this is a security issue for us."

Also that June, with the 2004 hurricane season starting, the Corps' project manager Al Naomi went before a local agency, the East Jefferson Levee Authority, and essentially begged for $2 million for urgent work that Washington was now unable to pay for. From the June 18, 2004 Times-Picayune:

"The system is in great shape, but the levees are sinking. Everything is sinking, and if we don't get the money fast enough to raise them, then we can't stay ahead of the settlement," he said. "The problem that we have isn't that the levee is low, but that the federal funds have dried up so that we can't raise them."

The panel authorized that money, and on July 1, 2004, it had to pony up another $250,000 when it learned that stretches of the levee in Metairie had sunk by four feet. The agency had to pay for the work with higher property taxes. The levee board noted in October 2004 that the feds were also now not paying for a hoped-for $15 million project to better shore up the banks of Lake Pontchartrain.

The 2004 hurricane season was the worst in decades. In spite of that, the federal government came back this spring with the steepest reduction in hurricane and flood-control funding for New Orleans in history. Because of the proposed cuts, the Corps office there imposed a hiring freeze. Officials said that money targeted for the SELA project -- $10.4 million, down from $36.5 million -- was not enough to start any new jobs.

There was, at the same time, a growing recognition that more research was needed to see what New Orleans must do to protect itself from a Category 4 or 5 hurricane. But once again, the money was not there. As the Times-Picayune reported last Sept. 22:

"That second study would take about four years to complete and would cost about $4 million, said Army Corps of Engineers project manager Al Naomi. About $300,000 in federal money was proposed for the 2005 fiscal-year budget, and the state had agreed to match that amount. But the cost of the Iraq war forced the Bush administration to order the New Orleans district office not to begin any new studies, and the 2005 budget no longer includes the needed money, he said."

The Senate was seeking to restore some of the SELA funding cuts for 2006. But now it's too late.

One project that a contractor had been racing to finish this summer: a bridge and levee job right at the 17th Street Canal, site of the main breach on Monday.

The Newhouse News Service article published Tuesday night observed, "The Louisiana congressional delegation urged Congress earlier this year to dedicate a stream of federal money to Louisiana's coast, only to be opposed by the White House. ... In its budget, the Bush administration proposed a significant reduction in funding for southeast Louisiana's chief hurricane protection project. Bush proposed $10.4 million, a sixth of what local officials say they need."

Local officials are now saying, the article reported, that had Washington heeded their warnings about the dire need for hurricane protection, including building up levees and repairing barrier islands, "the damage might not have been nearly as bad as it turned out to be."


Source (http://www.mediainfo.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1001051313)

[Busyman]

Lots of people for quite a while.

The Federal Money that was repairing and upkeeping the Levies stopped when Iraq started.. matter of priorities dontcha know.

The main break occurred in a section where the Feds had just told them to sod off, when begged for money to repair earlier this year... well, this isnt strictly true, The Whitehouse blocked it. ;)

Even though Hurricane Katrina has moved well north of the city, the waters may still keep rising in New Orleans. That's because Lake Pontchartrain continues to pour through a two-block-long break in the main levee, near the city's 17th Street Canal. With much of the Crescent City some 10 feet below sea level, the rising tide may not stop until it's level with the massive lake.

New Orleans had long known it was highly vulnerable to flooding and a direct hit from a hurricane. In fact, the federal government has been working with state and local officials in the region since the late 1960s on major hurricane and flood relief efforts. When flooding from a massive rainstorm in May 1995 killed six people, Congress authorized the Southeast Louisiana Urban Flood Control Project, or SELA.

Over the next 10 years, the Army Corps of Engineers, tasked with carrying out SELA, spent $430 million on shoring up levees and building pumping stations, with $50 million in local aid. But at least $250 million in crucial projects remained, even as hurricane activity in the Atlantic Basin increased dramatically and the levees surrounding New Orleans continued to subside.

Yet after 2003, the flow of federal dollars toward SELA dropped to a trickle. The Corps never tried to hide the fact that the spending pressures of the war in Iraq, as well as homeland security -- coming at the same time as federal tax cuts -- was the reason for the strain. At least nine articles in the Times-Picayune from 2004 and 2005 specifically cite the cost of Iraq as a reason for the lack of hurricane- and flood-control dollars.

Newhouse News Service, in an article posted late Tuesday night at The Times-Picayune Web site, reported: "No one can say they didn't see it coming. ... Now in the wake of one of the worst storms ever, serious questions are being asked about the lack of preparation."

In early 2004, as the cost of the conflict in Iraq soared, President Bush proposed spending less than 20 percent of what the Corps said was needed for Lake Pontchartrain, according to a Feb. 16, 2004, article, in New Orleans CityBusiness.

On June 8, 2004, Walter Maestri, emergency management chief for Jefferson Parish, Louisiana; told the Times-Picayune: "It appears that the money has been moved in the president's budget to handle homeland security and the war in Iraq, and I suppose that's the price we pay. Nobody locally is happy that the levees can't be finished, and we are doing everything we can to make the case that this is a security issue for us."

Also that June, with the 2004 hurricane season starting, the Corps' project manager Al Naomi went before a local agency, the East Jefferson Levee Authority, and essentially begged for $2 million for urgent work that Washington was now unable to pay for. From the June 18, 2004 Times-Picayune:

"The system is in great shape, but the levees are sinking. Everything is sinking, and if we don't get the money fast enough to raise them, then we can't stay ahead of the settlement," he said. "The problem that we have isn't that the levee is low, but that the federal funds have dried up so that we can't raise them."

The panel authorized that money, and on July 1, 2004, it had to pony up another $250,000 when it learned that stretches of the levee in Metairie had sunk by four feet. The agency had to pay for the work with higher property taxes. The levee board noted in October 2004 that the feds were also now not paying for a hoped-for $15 million project to better shore up the banks of Lake Pontchartrain.

The 2004 hurricane season was the worst in decades. In spite of that, the federal government came back this spring with the steepest reduction in hurricane and flood-control funding for New Orleans in history. Because of the proposed cuts, the Corps office there imposed a hiring freeze. Officials said that money targeted for the SELA project -- $10.4 million, down from $36.5 million -- was not enough to start any new jobs.

There was, at the same time, a growing recognition that more research was needed to see what New Orleans must do to protect itself from a Category 4 or 5 hurricane. But once again, the money was not there. As the Times-Picayune reported last Sept. 22:

"That second study would take about four years to complete and would cost about $4 million, said Army Corps of Engineers project manager Al Naomi. About $300,000 in federal money was proposed for the 2005 fiscal-year budget, and the state had agreed to match that amount. But the cost of the Iraq war forced the Bush administration to order the New Orleans district office not to begin any new studies, and the 2005 budget no longer includes the needed money, he said."

The Senate was seeking to restore some of the SELA funding cuts for 2006. But now it's too late.

One project that a contractor had been racing to finish this summer: a bridge and levee job right at the 17th Street Canal, site of the main breach on Monday.

The Newhouse News Service article published Tuesday night observed, "The Louisiana congressional delegation urged Congress earlier this year to dedicate a stream of federal money to Louisiana's coast, only to be opposed by the White House. ... In its budget, the Bush administration proposed a significant reduction in funding for southeast Louisiana's chief hurricane protection project. Bush proposed $10.4 million, a sixth of what local officials say they need."

Local officials are now saying, the article reported, that had Washington heeded their warnings about the dire need for hurricane protection, including building up levees and repairing barrier islands, "the damage might not have been nearly as bad as it turned out to be."


Source (http://www.mediainfo.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1001051313)
Post 113. :ermm: ...but thanks anyway.

[Busyman]

I think that the majority of the people have been evacuated now. Not all of them but most of them have been taken to shelters. That begs the question what do we do with these people now? This is going to be a long term thing and I can’t see all of these people staying in sports arenas and convention centers for 6 months on up.
There will be an increase in crime to regions with refugees with it ballooning out to other areas.

[GepperRankins]

it sounds really bizarre to call americans in america refugees :ermm:

[NikkiD]

Well some people saw it coming, Busyman.

National Geographic, October 2004 (http://www3.nationalgeographic.com/ngm/0410/feature5/index.html)

[GepperRankins]

i think busy's point was that everybody saw it coming but the republicans deicided to cut resources to spend elsewhere. namely iraq

[NikkiD]

i think busy's point was that everybody saw it coming but the republicans deicided to cut resources to spend elsewhere. namely iraq

I was replying to his post about not forseeing the levees breaking.

[RPerry]

Well some people saw it coming, Busyman.

National Geographic, October 2004 (http://www3.nationalgeographic.com/ngm/0410/feature5/index.html)

Damn, I got chills reading that article. talk about predictions :ohmy:

[Busyman]

i think busy's point was that everybody saw it coming but the republicans deicided to cut resources to spend elsewhere. namely iraq

I was replying to his post about not forseeing the levees breaking.
Post 126 :ermm: but thanks anyway.

[Rat Faced]

But was the situation mis-underestiamated, or did they just not care?



Or both..

[Everose]

In reality, there many States in the running for Federal monies. Many feel their situations are the most important, and many left uncomple