Finally Stop Leeches!

[Nick_R]

OK, I have to accept that I am obsessed with leeches. From the users that connect to my computer to download files, at least half of them are leeches, and this people avoids others users (people sharing) to connect and download what they want.

I have read all the posts here, and everything seems to complex. I normally run KazaaKontrol but have noticed that a leech with a broadband connection (the worsts) reconnect just after KazaaKontrol kill them. So, what is the solution?

I found an interesting program that can shows Kazaa connections (as well as any others if you like) and stop them extremely easy. It shows local and remote IP addresses, local and remote used ports and their address name.

There are two versions:

Freeware: Version 2.0 of this program.

Shareware ($20): Version 3.2 of this program. The main advantage of this version is that it allows you to save the ip address in it and stop it automatically as soon as this ip address is detected again. It has a 30 days trial window.

From both of this versions, the 3.2 sounds and works like a charm. If anybody gets the registration code, share it!

Well, Goodbye leeches!

B)

http://www.nwpsw.com/estopnews.html

[lynx]

I think you'll find that TcpView (freeware) from sysinternals (http://www.sysinternals.com) will also give you the information you want.

[bowiz]

Originally posted by Nick_R@Nov 8 2002, 11:00 PM
... at least half of them are leeches ...
... u r optimistic ...

.... euphemistically speaking ....
....... 90% share nothing or nothing more than files could have ".crap" extension ....

[KazaaSearch]

Originally posted by Nick_R@Nov 8 2002, 10:00 PM
OK, I have to accept that I am obsessed with leeches. From the users that connect to my computer to download files, at least half of them are leeches, and this people avoids others users (people sharing) to connect and download what they want.

I have read all the posts here, and everything seems to complex. I normally run KazaaKontrol but have noticed that a leech with a broadband connection (the worsts) reconnect just after KazaaKontrol kill them. So, what is the solution?

I found an interesting program that can shows Kazaa connections (as well as any others if you like) and stop them extremely easy. It shows local and remote IP addresses, local and remote used ports and their address name.

There are two versions:

 Freeware: Version 2.0 of this program.

 Shareware ($20): Version 3.2 of this program. The main advantage of this version is that it allows you to save the ip address in it and stop it automatically as soon as this ip address is detected again. It has a 30 days trial window.

From both of this versions, the 3.2 sounds and works like a charm. If anybody gets the registration code, share it!

Well, Goodbye leeches!

B)

http://www.nwpsw.com/estopnews.html
I can't understand your point - how do you distinguish between leech and non-leech? Kazaakontrol fails to do that! There are lots of things which prevent you from connecting to the user and getting his shared database. E.g., he can have a local IP (and this means that he is almost unreachable for people outside his intranet, because, as discussed in anther thread, KAzaa supernode only stores his local/internal IP, not the external one). That person can also be behind a firewall, or his IP can be dynamic (like dialup users who have a real external IP of their provider but not for long time). But this doesn't mean that person is a leech, he can be sharing but unaware that he is unreachable. There is also a problem with Kaza 2.0 - it seems to me that it fails to get user's file list in many cases, even if the person has static external IP.

[deckard]

KazaaSearch has a good point. Besides, there is a moral aspect to this. Doesn't everybody remember when they had only a couple Gb to share and a 56K modem? How do you distinguish between those poor souls, of whom I was one only a short time ago, and the real Greed Vultures, who share nothing but their Windows files?

Unfortunately the only solution to this is to go to DirectConnect, and that system is elitist as hell. On a 60 Gb HD I'm sharing just shy of 40 Gb and I can't enter the hubs requiring 50 Gb. Even if I were a perfect sleaze and decided to share the Windows folder, the Mod would spot it and kick me out...

So I think I'll stick with Kazaa, till the suits get around to trying to take them out at least. It's more democratic.

In fact, it may even be Catholic... :unsure:

Or at least until I get that 120 Gb HD.

[Guest]

Or possibly Lutheran.

[56k_soul]

Hey Nick.
Doing that kind of "filters"...
don't you becoming into you most hate?... a leecher
is'n it?

[bpmax]

Originally posted by 56k_soul@Nov 10 2002, 07:03 AM
Hey Nick.
Doing that kind of "filters"...
don't you becoming into you most hate?... a leecher
is'n it?
Damn skippy that makes him/her a leecher!

[KazaaSearch]

Originally posted by deckard@Nov 9 2002, 06:27 AM
KazaaSearch has a good point.  Besides, there is a moral aspect to this.  Doesn't everybody remember when they had only a couple Gb to share and a 56K modem?  How do you distinguish between those poor souls, of whom I was one only a short time ago, and the real Greed Vultures, who share nothing but their Windows files?

Unfortunately the only solution to this is to go to DirectConnect, and that system is elitist as hell.  On a 60 Gb HD I'm sharing just shy of 40 Gb and I can't enter the hubs requiring 50 Gb.  Even if I were a perfect sleaze and decided to share the Windows folder, the Mod would spot it and kick me out...

So I think I'll stick with Kazaa, till the suits get around to trying to take them out at least.  It's more democratic.  

In fact, it may even be Catholic... :unsure:

Or at least until I get that 120 Gb HD.
Good point about leeches - there is no way to determine automatically whether the user shares any USEFUL files or not. Anyone can share some folder with system files or any binary (non-exe) files of no use to anybody else. And you would erroneously identify this person as non-leech with any kind of automatic control (like KAzaaKontrol), because you think he/she shares a lot!, but actually think, is he really sharing or not? I believe NOT.

Again, remember, that even if you manually try to retrieve user's files in Kazaa, you can fail to do that, but it doesn't mean that (s)he is not sharing...

Sorry for repetitions of same arguments.

[Rat Faced]

How do you determine a USEFUL file?

More than once i've downloaded a system file from KaZaa.....

Please remember, whats useful to you is crap to others and vise versa.

[ShareDaddy]

Originally posted by Rat Faced@Nov 10 2002, 03:06 PM
How do you determine a USEFUL file?

More than once i've downloaded a system file from KaZaa.....

Please remember, whats useful to you is crap to others and vise versa.
RF, System files are fine, however if that is all they are sharing I am sorry thay are not sharing. I mean system files may be useful once and a while, however to share only system files while downloading other types is downright wrong. If you want a movie share a movie, if you want music share music, people make me sick.

[ShareDaddy]

Originally posted by KazaaSearch+Nov 8 2002, 08:35 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (KazaaSearch @ Nov 8 2002, 08:35 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Nick_R@Nov 8 2002, 10:00 PM
OK, I have to accept that I am obsessed with leeches. From the users that connect to my computer to download files, at least half of them are leeches, and this people avoids others users (people sharing) to connect and download what they want.

I have read all the posts here, and everything seems to complex. I normally run KazaaKontrol but have noticed that a leech with a broadband connection (the worsts) reconnect just after KazaaKontrol kill them. So, what is the solution?

I found an interesting program that can shows Kazaa connections (as well as any others if you like) and stop them extremely easy. It shows local and remote IP addresses, local and remote used ports and their address name.

There are two versions:

*Freeware: Version 2.0 of this program.

*Shareware ($20): Version 3.2 of this program. The main advantage of this version is that it allows you to save the ip address in it and stop it automatically as soon as this ip address is detected again. It has a 30 days trial window.

From both of this versions, the 3.2 sounds and works like a charm. If anybody gets the registration code, share it!

Well, Goodbye leeches!

B)

http://www.nwpsw.com/estopnews.html
I can't understand your point - how do you distinguish between leech and non-leech? Kazaakontrol fails to do that! There are lots of things which prevent you from connecting to the user and getting his shared database. E.g., he can have a local IP (and this means that he is almost unreachable for people outside his intranet, because, as discussed in anther thread, KAzaa supernode only stores his local/internal IP, not the external one). That person can also be behind a firewall, or his IP can be dynamic (like dialup users who have a real external IP of their provider but not for long time). But this doesn't mean that person is a leech, he can be sharing but unaware that he is unreachable. There is also a problem with Kaza 2.0 - it seems to me that it fails to get user's file list in many cases, even if the person has static external IP.[/b][/quote]
Here it is, no matter what may be causing you from sharing (outside of the usual Kazaa search error) you are not sharing, I mean if I place an electrical device on my PC to prevent people from seeing my files I am not sharing. You people who keep coming up with this SHITE make me sick. Share files, stop using fuc(ing excuses just share. If I search for your files more than 3 times and still get nothing, you are not sharing and I will boot you, if you come back I will make sure you never get that file, simple as that. Do you know how many files I have sitting in my folder waiting to download? Lots of files and I am sick of it, share or stay the fuc( away from me and mine.

[Rat Faced]

I was just making a point that system files are looked for occasionaly...especialy as there are so many people out there without disc for their OS :lol:

I agree, that there should be more in there of the same type of thing that you are after...share and share alike.

But its not up to you or me to say whats 'crap'. I think most of the 'music' on FC's drive is probably just a load noise to me..but he probably wouldnt like my music...which is crap?

I also download a load of images, some of them are clearly done in Paint by kids... but some of them are quite good. Again who are we to say what is crap?

On your other point: I find my searches are being increasingly 'stopped'. If this happens, I can only assume that the other person is leeching...and cut them.

:blink:

[ShareDaddy]

I was not mad at you RF and as far as FC, yeah I think you and I both would find his collection to be rather noisey and unuseful, however I would say that he shares and allow him to download anything from me. One think I want to point out is lately anyone with a 1 for Participation level has not been sharing and most users at fileshare (blockhead@fileshare, etc) do not share, either they do not want my files or they are simply stupid.

[Rat Faced]

Strange, thats been the opposite to my experiance.

The ones from fileshare seem to have the least number of leechers on my node...in fact I cant remember coming across one.

The ones I find are leechers are all KaZaaliteuser@KaZaa.... and that really feels like a betrayal as well. :(

[new user]

Originally posted by Rat Faced@Nov 10 2002, 10:39 PM
The ones I find are leechers are all KaZaaliteuser@KaZaa.... and that really feels like a betrayal as well. :(
Hey guys, I am really REALLY new at this kazaa thing. I avoided it for the longest right off when I heard about the back door suspicions. Anyway, I have 768K broadband now and decided to take my chances.

I'm one of those kazaaliteuser@kazaa... users but I have an average rating of around 50-55. I have 1.6GB of files shared (not much I know) but I don't restrict upload bandwidth or filter anyone out, I have my system setup as a supernode and leave it up 24/7, I don't boot anyone because I remember when I dialed up bulletin boards on my 386sx PC with a 2400 baud modem, and how much it sucked.

I don't know how to tweak much yet, or how to filter out leeches or even how to get a real userid@kazaa set up. At least there are people downloading from me so I know my NAT router and software firewall aren't killing upoads and making ME look like a leech.

Anyway I just wanted to throw in my two cents and say there may be a lot of people who don't get as far as I have reading in a forum like this or messaging here to realize that they are phuking the ettiquette all up eh?

Not that ignorance is a universal excuse...

Pointing me in the direction of setting up a real ID would be appreciated; and simple tweaks/filtering/patches I can set up in kazaalite to improve things.

spÄter tags B)

[Rat Faced]

Tools>options

The user name can be anything you want, and make up a fake email address etc.

Not everyone that comes on as KaZaaLiteuser is a leech... just seems to be a higher proportion on my node. As Sharedaddy says, on his node they all seem to be fileshare.

Everyone gets looked at (if im there) and get cut if they're leeching. <_<

I wont use the Leechkiller though, coz that kills innocents quite often...id rather have leechers than do that. Those status 0s have enough troubles.

[theX]

Originally posted by Rat Faced@Nov 10 2002, 01:39 PM
The ones I find are leechers are all KaZaaliteuser@KaZaa.... and that really feels like a betrayal as well. :(
aint it the truth...aint it the truth

[MrAlaska]

The first time I downloaded Napster I had no files to share at all, thank goodnes leech gaurds were not being used then. I built my collection to 1500 shared files and learned to rip my own so I was adding new material to the pool. When Napster went down I moved to Refosearch, developed an interest in movies, bought a larger HD and added another 10G of shared files both from my own efforts and downloaded from news groups. When the Morpheus went down I moved to K-lite. That was when I had a cable modem.

I am now unemployed and can no longer afford a cable modem. I do not have the bandwidth to share a decent number of files, and the files I do share are probably not often accessible. Using discount or free phone providers my connection is sporadic at its best, connections get dropped all the time constant attendance is required. I have no doubt I may appear to be a leech, now.

I have noticed some users I am able to connect at fast speeds (for me, anything over 1.5Kb is FAST) but the connection gets dropped immediately. Am I being punished? Is some cable user sitting with his finger over the 'cancell' button on a mission to rid the world of leeches? Is my .3Kb-2Kb such a drain on their system that it is something to get all excited about?

I have seen this issue from both sides of the fence. I remember, as a cable user, I felt like I was infested with fleas sometimes when I would see dozens of people uploading from me at slow speeds and sharing few if any files. I never cancelled one of them and I am glad, now, because I have become one of those users and I see it from their side. There were also cable users who downloaded from me who appeared to be leeches. I never cancelled one of them, either. I do not know what issues they had, but I remembered my early days and did not want to take a chance on souring the experience of someone who has the potential someday to be a strong contributor. The true leeches, I only hope their concience catches up with them but there will always be a few bad apples.

The spirit of P2P is sharing. Most users are decent and have a consience about it, those that do not make a game of circumventing your efforts to stop them so the only ones you are really able to stop is the new users or those such as myself that are unable to contribute at this time, try to play by the rules, and hope for better times for when they can once again contribute more than they draw.

[hohohoandabottleofrum]

Hang on, i don't get it - so what if people "leech" off you - doesn't it increase your rating anyway ? And besides it's completely illegal so enjoy it while it lasts boys n girls....

[jatom]

this is interesting. i am a kazaalite user and im sharing around 50 gig, with people uploading more than i download. however i get these nasty messages from people calling me a leech and telling me to f off. all this because im a kazaalite user? isnt it time to get on with our lives and realise that there is more important things in life than downloading a file? a leech or not a leech, who cares?

[professorX]

folks i am on dialup at 16.8kbps tonight (14.4 is the norm) and i have a 10gig hd i share 5 gig with anyone that wants what i have .I thank all of you that put up with my slow download - upload speed.



please share with us all

professorX

ps.when i get dsl or cable i intend to share more an maybe serve one of these forms(just got a 80gig hd)

[ShareDaddy]

I do not care if you just bought your PC and just downloaded Kazaa, share something! Even if it is system files and or system programs, share something to start. And do not pick the largest movie file to start your downloads, try something small and make sure to share whatever you download, this will help your cause, as if I search someone's folder and they have been downloading stuff from me and none of it is visible, I take offense. And for the Mr. Alaska, you are getting booted probably due to your participation level more than anything and it does not matter what type of connection you are on, I was on dial-up for many years and using Napster, then Kazaa without harm to myself. When I was on dial-up I shared celebrity photos (which by the way still get uploaded at a very fast pace) and select music files. Now that I have a huge hard drive and lots of bandwidth I share movies, lots of them plus the music and pictures. 50 percent of the people downloading from me are sharers, the other 50 percent are not. Half of the non-sharers reply to my IM giving some type of excuse, I do not want to hear excuses I want to see sharing. Please remember the bandwidth I use is mine, I pay for it and I want to leave it open for the people who share, If I just let anyone download files from me, specially movies my slots will be filled and people who are actually sharing stuff, some of which I may want will be unable to get into my folder. This is not the way I run my folder, sharers need to stick together and give a crap about who is using their bandwidth and if there is ever a way to keep you non sharing full of excuses worthless pieces of pond scum’s warts asses out of my files for good I will take it and use it happily. Hopefully comprehension is high out there, I hate repeating myself over and over, but I will should the need arise. <_< :angry:

[ripley]

I am fairly new to the participation level system, and I want to make sure I am sharing enough. I am sharing all of my music files, I don't have any video files, and the program files I have I doubt would impress to many ppl. I don't want to be considered a leech, so....would you say if I am sharing my 80+ music files then that would be ok?

[ShareDaddy]

Originally posted by ripley@Nov 13 2002, 12:51 AM
I am fairly new to the participation level system, and I want to make sure I am sharing enough. I am sharing all of my music files, I don't have any video files, and the program files I have I doubt would impress to many ppl. I don't want to be considered a leech, so....would you say if I am sharing my 80+ music files then that would be ok?
Yeah, you are sharing and that is fine. People who download files without sharing anything SUCK and then blow chunks. Music is always cool, it is what really started P2P in the first place, all of this other stuff was a second thought, although a better thought in my opinion.

[ripley]

Thanks...I was kinda worried that I would start getting kicked off. :)

[ShareDaddy]

Originally posted by ripley@Nov 13 2002, 01:07 AM
Thanks...I was kinda worried that I would start getting kicked off. :)
No, but you may want to insure you sue a cheater to keep your PL high, because if someone has a higher PL and they want into the folder you are trying to download from they can boot you out simply by proxy due to the level discrepancy and Higher Level comes first routine.

[ripley]

Sorry, being a pain and asking a question (again)...I tried the cheater tool but my system gives an error, of course I don't remember the error message but it was something about windows 32 non supported?? Ha, who knows. I have xp so maybe that is why. I will just have to hope ppl download from me, lol. Thanks again for any suggestions.

[ShareDaddy]

Originally posted by ripley@Nov 13 2002, 01:20 AM
Sorry, being a pain and asking a question (again)...I tried the cheater tool but my system gives an error, of course I don't remember the error message but it was something about windows 32 non supported?? Ha, who knows. I have xp so maybe that is why. I will just have to hope ppl download from me, lol. Thanks again for any suggestions.
I have XP also and the only issues you can really have with the cheater is either you did not allow it to access the internet when your firewall detected it or you are not set-up to share files. Outside of that I have not heard of any issues.

[tbone844]

folks i am on dialup at 16.8kbps tonight (14.4 is the norm)

Just wanted to mention something. Some PPL don't have fast connections at all (I.e this guy) I personally wouldn't want him to enable sharing, it would make me sick if I download at .05k/sec. But then I can't determine if he's a leecher or not. Might just be a guy who feels bad about his SLOWWW connection rate, and wants to surf a lil while he downloads at 1.4KBps.

My advice to you professorX is to get a 56k from a junk yard at least. Your killing all of us Broadband/Ultraband users. We get so happy when we find a rare prog or song, and then so pissed when we start transferring at 0.02k/sec. That's probably why Prozac is so popular.

Only time I kill someone is if they're downloading from me at above 30KBps and they have nothing shared. That to me is the true definition of a leecher. And perhaps alot of kazaalite users seem to be leechers because they chose kazaalite to free up some of their 'limited' dialup bandwidth. If you have a T3, why do you care if a few ads pop up now and then?

And PLEASE PLEASE professorX get a 56k off Ebay for $2.50USD.

"Patience is a virtue. Checks pocket, nope no virtues there."

[Rat Faced]

If your on a dial up, fair enough we're only uploading at .2Kb.

But its a multi source program, that .2Kb gets added in to all the others being uploaded from.

I dont care if your dialup or cable...if your sharing your welcome to any file i've got. And my definition of sharing is a lot less harsh than even Sharedaddy. I understand some of the problems you guys have, if there is even 10 images in that sharefolder you are contributing SOMETHING, even if no one is uploading from you.

Its those with NOTHING (and some of these guys are uploading from me at 30+Kb/s) that really piss me off.

I dont cut anyone lightly. I understand that if there is no slot available then my search will give a nil result...but that result will come back immediately. If the search takes 30secs, his folder is being searched...nothing there, i'll do it again and a third time to give the benefit of the doubt.

After that he's cut.

[cornholio]

I share over 1500 QUALITY files (MP3's and movies) i am on cable and i have a 128 upload cap.
i allow 3 users at a time to download from me so they can get decent speeds. i also leave my box on 24/7
i use "real" kazaa, i do not install any of the "extra" spy/ adware sh*t. so all i wind up with is cydoor. this only runs the small banner ads on the bottom. if kazaa can make money to survive by this .. good for them.
whenever i'm there (a lot of the time) i monitor all those uploading from me, if they are not sharing i send them a polite (but firm) message saying they are being disconnected for not sharing and i invite them to come back when sharing...i got sick of replys like "fu*k you" so i leave my message thingy set to NOT recieve mesages. if they come back over and over i just click to stop sharing that file for a few minutes...
till someone else fills the upload slot, and thats that. Hats off to you guys who are taking the time to keep out the leeches.... i love searching everyones file list , i find lots of stuff i didn't think to search for...
P2P 4ever

[carbondata]

.sharedaddy needs to find a sharemommy.
..leeches need love too..
...and people that don't know how to name/label there files correctly are worse than the biggest bloated fatty leech around...
....even worse than fatty leeches and dumbasses that can't label there files and failed the first grade, are those bastards that share virus/trojan/worm files....
.....and if everyone can't get my shared files tough shite. i run a firewall because of idiots who attack my computer. the same idiots who dropped out of high school the last week of their senior year.....

[Rhydian66]

I just started using this, so my total shared is about 1.3Gb. As far as i am aware, it's all movies, music or tv progs. I'm behind a firewall, on a cable modem, and if I leave my computer alone for a bit my PL increases. I have noticed a lot of aborted or cancelled downloads though- is this something wrong with my setup? If it is, I'm not a leech- just don't know the ins and outs yet!

[Mirai Trunks]

Originally posted by Rhydian66@Nov 17 2002, 09:32 PM
I just started using this, so my total shared is about 1.3Gb. As far as i am aware, it's all movies, music or tv progs. I'm behind a firewall, on a cable modem, and if I leave my computer alone for a bit my PL increases. I have noticed a lot of aborted or cancelled downloads though- is this something wrong with my setup? If it is, I'm not a leech- just don't know the ins and outs yet!
ya i think hats just normal ya know ppl aborting..happens to me all the time :P they prob got more sources.. or had 2 go or something :P

[CantCU]

ARG! Leeches! It's getting insane!

Today, I had one leech trying to download 5 movies from me at one time. The leech obviously was using the Cheater, because he kept his PL at 1000 all day...I sent an IM but no response. Not sharing files either! I increased my uploads to 10...and another leecher came on downloading 4 movies. One little person was sharing at #10, and kept getting kicked out because of higher PL's.

I tried to cancel the upload...that didn't work. They came back almost immediately.

So, instead of just signing off, I lowered my bandwidth to 24. Cruel, I know. Each person was getting their downloads from me at .33 kps.

I want another option. I honestly don't mind sharing! but HOW can you stop the leeches from downloading from you and keeping them away? Can someone give me specific instructions?

Thanks! :D

[random nut]

Block their IPs. Use "netstat -n" in a DOS box to get the current TCP connections. Figure out which one is the leecher (could be difficult), then block his/her IP (use your firewall).

[CantCU]

He's back again today. He has been at this now for 4 days. I have been able to isolate his IP address...simple enough...I reduced my # of downloads to one...and THERE he was!

His PL is back at 1000 this morning. Have to give him credit, he keeps trying! Still not sharing, the jerk.

Now, I cannot for the life of me figure out how to tweak my firewall to block him. Remember, I'm a newbie to all this...so speak slow...LOL! :D

[lynx]

Go on, give us a clue, which firewall have you got ?

[CantCU]

:o Sorry about that! I was using Zone Alarm but was having some issues with XP...so I am currently using Tiny Personal Firewall. It's pretty basic, but it seems to do a fair job. In fact, it is what identified the IP address...only problem is, it didn't give me the option from THAT screen to block it. :(

[ShareDaddy]

Originally posted by jatom@Nov 12 2002, 05:14 PM
this is interesting. i am a kazaalite user and im sharing around 50 gig, with people uploading more than i download. however i get these nasty messages from people calling me a leech and telling me to f off. all this because im a kazaalite user? isnt it time to get on with our lives and realise that there is more important things in life than downloading a file? a leech or not a leech, who cares?
OK, listen up. The reason people are thinking you are a leech is the following: First off you are ignorant and have not changed your name from KLU to something a bit more meaningful, this may not be your fault, however as RF eluded to earlier on his node KLU's do not share, this gives anyone with that name a bad rap and thus the IM's calling you a leech, because the last time they checked a KLU they were not sharing, they have no idea it is lot of people they think it is one person. Hopefully that clears up your issue.

[ShareDaddy]

Originally posted by carbondata@Nov 17 2002, 08:10 AM
.sharedaddy needs to find a sharemommy.
..leeches need love too..
...and people that don't know how to name/label there files correctly are worse than the biggest bloated fatty leech around...
....even worse than fatty leeches and dumbasses that can't label there files and failed the first grade, are those bastards that share virus/trojan/worm files....
.....and if everyone can't get my shared files tough shite. i run a firewall because of idiots who attack my computer. the same idiots who dropped out of high school the last week of their senior year.....
First off JOIN THE FORUM if you want to join in on strings like this, if you want to stay a guest then ask the questions or go away. Second, ShareMommy already exists and so do the ShareBoys, but that really is none of your business. I share, I knwo what sharing means and when I was brand new to sharing I had files to share beforehand. Not a single soul could make me think it should be different. If you want to join a share program, have something to share. Who the hell goes to a swap meet without money or something to swap? That means you learn how to rip music off of your personal CD's (back on Napster) or you share anything here, that is system files, christ, even the kazaa exe file is a start, but the arseholes that don't share a single file or the occasional few idiots who have every version of Kazaa exe in thier share folder with nothing else, that really makes me smirk, what the heck were they thinking. I mean they are slapping you in the face with the fact they have been downloading for ever and have nothing to show for it. Those are the guys I would love to catch up with in a dark alley, I'd put a smack down on thier ass for sure. SHARE something of value, system files are a start, but do not think they will get you far, I have good memory and I check to see whether or not the files they just downloaded from me are still there, you would not believe the amount of assholes that every time files finish downloading, they move it out of the folder. This is the worst and gives no benefit to no one. I mean one fo the reasons I share is to help files spread and the amount of files I share (6,200+) means that once in a while I need to do some house cleaning and I would love to be able to get rid of some old files or movies to make room for the new, however all of the leeches are insuring that certain files never go anywhere except thier burners. These are a few reasons for my attitude. Note I was sharing back when there was less than 100,000 users on Kazaa, I have seen it grow and then begin to spoil, the smell has gotten real bad now that the other P2P's are going down and or slowing down, more and more users are joining and most of them have no morals or pride, they simply want stuff for free without offering there stuff in trade, that is not how I want things to be, share and be able to download, that is the way it should be.

[CantCU]

SHARE something of value, system files are a start, but do not think they will get you far, I have good memory and I check to see whether or not the files they just downloaded from me are still there, you would not believe the amount of assholes that every time files finish downloading, they move it out of the folder. This is the worst and gives no benefit to no one.

APPLAUSE, Sharedaddy!

Normally, I keep Kazaa running 24/7. But lately, because of these leeches cheat to up their PL, and keep those who actually share from even having a chance to download anything, I am checking it more often.

I still haven't figured out how to block them with my firewall...but I am working on it. Anyone who can advise me on this would be greatly appreciated.

For now, every person who attempts to download from me, best be sharing something. I check every one. If the participation is extremely high, I immediately check to see if the person is sharing. And I don't mean "test" files, either. If not, I do what I have to to stop their download.

[Sneepboy]

Originally posted by ShareDaddy@Nov 19 2002, 06:03 PM
I have good memory and I check to see whether or not the files they just downloaded from me are still there, you would not believe the amount of assholes that every time files finish downloading, they move it out of the folder. This is the worst and gives no benefit to no one.
ShareDaddy. I have the uptmost respect for you on this forum but i disagree with you on this one statement because you are calling me an asshole. I run a utility that immediately moves downloaded files from my shared folder to another (usually hidden) folder on my desktop. In my shared folder is another folder & thats the stuff I share and the utility does not touch that. I do this for a couple of reasons. I am so frusterated with some of the stuff I have downloaded not being what it is supposed to be or not working or playing at all, that I am not going to assist in sending that crap around to others. The second reason is, I sometimes download stuff I am just not willing to keep on my computer or upload to others. If I let everything just go into the shared folder, it is there for the SneepWife or the SneepSon to see. Thats not cool. So if you want to call me an asshole, have at it, I will still disagree with you on this. I do share and people do download from me every night.

[FuNkY CaPrIcOrN]

:D I say get a bigger harddrive and everybody will be happy,hell I know I am a asshole,yes I share all of my music I download,I love music and think it should be shared with everybody.But the porn I download is for one reason and one reason only,once I am done the porn is gone.I might hold on to it if it is real good,but most of my porn I buy at a place here in Louisville called "blue movies"...these $50 porns I buy are for me and me only.:D

[Bigun@kl]

I HAVE A FEW COMPUTERS THAT I USE AT KAZAA THIS ONE THAT I USE IS THE ONE I SHARE WITH IT HAS AN 80 GIG DRIVE BUT ONLY A 600 PROCESS SO THAT MEANS THAT I CAN ONLY ALLOW 5 UPLOADS AT A TIME WITH OUT BLOWING MY CPU. MY OTHER COMPUTERS ARE WORSE SO I DONT SHARE WITH THEM. IT WOULD BE VERY RUDE TO SHARE WITH AN EXTREMELY SLOW COMPUTER. I ALLOW PEOPLE WITH SLOW CONNECTIONS AND NO SHARE BECAUSE 1. THEY BE AT WORK OR AT A PLACE WHERE THERE IS A SECURITY ISSUE. 2. THEY MAY HAVE ANOTHER PC THAT THEY USE FOR SHARING. 3. I THINK WHEN YOU START BLOCKING YOU MAY BLOCK THE NOT GUILTY PEOPLE AND THAT IS RUDE. I LOVE MUSIC AND PEOPLE AND I HOPE TO SHARE AS MUCH AS I CAN TO LET PEOPLE BE EXPOSED TO THE MUSIC I LOVE. PEACE AND LOVE AND MAY YOUR WORRIES REMAIN THIS SMALL. :D :D

[guenthar]

You don't know what you're doing when you kick someone that you see as not sharing. I can be downloading something from someone and do a search for other files from that user and 90% of the time it doesn't show anything. What you guys could be doing is kicking people that are sharing but you just can't see their list. People like you are part of the reason me and other people probably can't download half the files on their list.

[jetje]

Originally posted by guenthar@Nov 21 2002, 07:26 AM
People like you are part of the reason me and other people probably can't download half the files on their list.
People like FC and SD probably will sent you a message, i myself will do also (if being behind de pc). To start sharing. My latest messages sound like this "Please start sharing to. In case you got no clue why you should do so, i will give you a reason. If i did think in the same way as you do, you couldn't be downloading this file." Or something like that. People got about a min time to react, before cutting them of. I don't do it on very slow connections and on music files. But do it at the people that with pretty good speeds are downloading movies, games & proggies.

So back to what i quoted: if you share, no problem. If we see it wrong, just be cool, repy the message and we'll check again and again.., your downloads will keep on runnin'.

Have to admit not so fanatic at this anymore, but sometimes, love to kill them all.... B)

btw are you sure you can't continue your downloads through the leechers which are actually sharing, just because they have to for Rocko.

[CantCU]

People like you are part of the reason me and other people probably can't download half the files on their list.

I have to disagree with you here. My problem is with people who are GREEDY. If you go back to my original post on this thread, you will see what I am talking about. I was allowing 5 uploads...one person (who had used a cheater to raise his Participation Level to 1000) was bumping EVERYONE off (probably you included) in order to download 5 movies at one time. I keep my uploads normally at 5 which gives a bit more upload speed. But here was this jerk, who was taking ALL of the uploads and giving no one else a chance. So I raised my uploads to 10. When that happened, I had a second person come in and start uploading 4 movies at one time (also with a cheat so his PL was high). This left one little slot open for a single person to come in and download. Both the 5 downloader and the 4 downloader were not sharing. I checked both several times. Because of the low PL of the #10 person, who WAS sharing, he kept getting booted out of the #10 slot by others with a higher ranking. So what is fair? Let the 9 uploads continue when they weren't sharing, or try to let the #10 person get his ONE movie and go on?

I did send both leeches messages. Asked them nicely to reduce their downloads so that others would have a chance. Neither did. Neither responded. So either they ignored me, or they weren't even sitting at their computer.

So, all you computer geniuses out there...can someone create a utility to "boot and block" leeches? Surely there is something out there! :rolleyes:

[iBLoStboY]

<_< i don't mind leechers....i mean how can you sit infront of your computer and monitor every person that downloads from you..... maybe i'm just too nice =] .. i've never gotten nasty messages maybe its because they always see my participation level at a high (only if they knew i use a the KLcheater MUAHAHA).... and plus i have quite a few good files in my kazaa share folder.


YOu can leech of me :P

[iBLoStboY]

CantCu i agree with you there.... if a person is using the cheat and he is getting a fairly fast connection from me, then its fine i mean how long is it going to take to finish the transfer but if the guy is taking up all my slots then he has to go! But i still warn the person by a message maybe he is new and doesn't know how to use kazaa (quene his downloads) but banning someone is too extreme so i think (blocking his ip)

[Number 6]

"So, all you computer geniuses out there...can someone create a utility to "boot and block" leeches? Surely there is something out there! "

I'm with you Cantu, these leeches are like rust in a well oiled machine -- they increase friction, they slow the network, use it's resources, and provide nothing in return. And that's what the P rating is all about. Future versions of Kazaa and Kazaa-lite prevent the loser from using the cheat, and prevent recovery of backed up P ratings, so the artifically high P ratings will be a thing of the past.

I'm looking forward to the day when I'll be able to define what level of leeching I'll allow. Then people who don't mind feeding the leeching hordes (while the value sharers can't get in) will be able to do so, but I'll set mine to reject people with P of less than 30.

I'd rather help people who show an interest in participating in this society.

[Number 6]

"So, all you computer geniuses out there...can someone create a utility to "boot and block" leeches? Surely there is something out there! "

I'm with you Cantu, these leeches are like rust in a well oiled machine -- they increase friction, they slow the network, use it's resources, and provide nothing in return. And that's what the P rating is all about. Future versions of Kazaa and Kazaa-lite prevent the loser from using the cheat, and prevent recovery of backed up P ratings, so the artifically high P ratings will be a thing of the past.

I'm looking forward to the day when I'll be able to define what level of leeching I'll allow. Then people who don't mind feeding the leeching hordes (while the value sharers can't get in) will be able to do so, but I'll set mine to reject people with P of less than 30.

I'd rather help people who show an interest in participating in this society.

[deckard]

This was one of the first forums I ever replied to. I see that it's bumping along quite nicely. I am continually impressed by how seriously people take this stuff. Someone else somewhere else put it nicely...they said something to the effect of "Hey--this is all free so let's all try to play nice. And anyway it's all strictly illegal so have fun boys and girls while it all lasts...")

When I first started doing this, only a year and a half ago, it really did seem vitally important, because I was getting back the music that I had purchased two or even three times previously (vinyl, then ((blush)) 8-track, then tape cassette, then CD)...it was wearing me out and at $20 or so a hit for a new CD I wasn't about to purchase one just because I liked one track...

And when I started, it was just when Napster was at the end of its useful existence, so I wasn't sure whether or not I got in on it too late or not. That made it all the more desperate and important...I devoted every free hour at any free terminal downloading and burning CDs so I would have this stuff in an incorruptible form that would not scratch like vinyl or twist and tangle like tape.

And then...annabile mirablis, all these other P2p networks popped up and I could proceed.

But make no mistake about it, those good ol' boys at EMI and BMG and Geffen and whoever else wants to corner and control and profit from intellectual and cultural property have labeled us as criminals and thieves and want this STOPPED...there is a long history of the control of that property...

I'm not in the legal trade but I think that there was a decision in the US supreme court about fifty years ago regarding the use of magnetic tape to replicate music...(I should research this before posting but I'll hazard it)...and it more or less said that recording for personal use is protected by the first amendment.

So my personal use includes my desire for you to have a copy...and what is this PC except another kind of recorder? And the Mp3 just another kind of recording? Except that it is of incorruptible quality...and of indefinite persistence. It won't wear out. For the first time, I have music that won't go away. This PC will certainly crash and die some day, but everything is backed up in that most durable of archives, the CD...and I may not even know you but I still want to give you that copy as a gift...and if I lose it I will certainly be able to retrieve it from you, good as new.

So what does that have to do with the leech topic? Just this: If the Peer to Peer structure depends upon community, upon our willingness to share among ourselves, if I were an industry Zopilote that is the first place I would try to attack it. By spreading strife and distrust and dissension among the sharing community.

But if we are like the Whos in Whoville...the Grinch won't get away with it this time, either.

And if there are small hearted people out there sharing nothing? I pity them. They're like the miserable spiders who live in darkness and only sneak out to bite me while I'm asleep.

Stick together, guys. Share what you can. It's so obvious that it benefits us all, and if the men in grey triumph it will be because we forgot that.

(Jeez, I am verbose. Wish I could be more concise but I didn't have enough time for this to be shorter...) B)

(Edited one word for emphasis 11.21.02.11:05 PM)

[guenthar]

Kicking people that are taking too many upload slots is good, but kicking people just because you can't see their download list and assuming they arn't sharing is wrong. Most of the people that I have checked their download list have high speed connections, and even though I'm downloading from them it shows nothing on their download list. How can you judge if their leechers other than actually getting on their computer or hacking in to see what files they are sharing.

P.S. Me and other people probably have messages blocked. I block messages because I play games and don't want a message sent to me crashing my game.

[Knightmad]

I have just a little comment about all this subject .... Shouldnt we feel like the soldiers who "gambled for Jesus' clothes"? Follow my point of view ..... we are all thieves (although I believe that all knowledge should be free, and for all), most of this files we are sharing are not really ours .... So, the definition for having the "right" or "wrong" behaviour on Kazaa makes no sense. I agree that leechers are prejudicial for the community, and I also know that (proving the Murphy Law) all those users who download our files very high speeded are sharing nothing. (Just right now there are 2 users downloading from me at about 60Kb/s speed and sharing nothing, not even the files they already got from me!) But this doesnt means that we can extrude any people from the community just because they have no or just a few files to share. Or isnt this the way that all we users start, with empty directory?

P.S. Sorry for my confuse english.
P.S.2 We are STILL thieves, but I believe that, in a near future, ALL knowledge produced by the mankind will be free, shared in some kind of Net community, like ours

[Number 6]

Originally posted by Knightmad@Nov 21 2002, 11:29 PM
I have just a little comment about all this subject .... Shouldnt we feel like the soldiers who "gambled for Jesus' clothes"?
Do you have any idea how much that clothing would get you on eBay?

I'm in! What's the ante?

[CantCU]

I'm with you Cantu, these leeches are like rust in a well oiled machine -- they increase friction, they slow the network, use it's resources, and provide nothing in return. And that's what the P rating is all about. Future versions of Kazaa and Kazaa-lite prevent the loser from using the cheat, and prevent recovery of backed up P ratings, so the artifically high P ratings will be a thing of the past.


Thank you Number 6!

Agree wholeheartedly! Today, I have left my Kazaa running all day (generally leave it on 24/7...why not? I have cable!) I have downloaded nothing. However, my uploads have been going on all day...and my participation level is high because of it. I don't judge someone because of low/high PL...what I see is that those who cheat and don't share, cutting everyone else out.

Has anyone noticed the new post (sorry I don't know how to do a link in this forum...I AM a newbie) titled "Kazaa Cheat Does Not Seem To Be Working" by Joe, an unregistered poster?

I thinks we could have a bit of fun with that one! ;)

[CantCU]

Kicking people that are taking too many upload slots is good, but kicking people just because you can't see their download list and assuming they arn't sharing is wrong. Most of the people that I have checked their download list have high speed connections, and even though I'm downloading from them it shows nothing on their download list. How can you judge if their leechers other than actually getting on their computer or hacking in to see what files they are sharing.


It's simple. I have checked people's shared files. (at first I didn't do this...if there was something there, they wre sharing). But...when you check their shared files, and all that is listed is Test 1, Test 2, Test 3, Test 4, and then the Kazaa.exe file...they AIN'T sharing. They are leeching. They've put in 4 fake files so that some utility out there won't kick them off.

As I have said, I am a newbie...I have a lot to learn. But it is easy to spot a leech if you look.

[guenthar]

when you check their shared files, and all that is listed is Test 1, Test 2, Test 3, Test 4, and then the Kazaa.exe file...they AIN'T sharing.



Those people are stupid leechers and should be kicked, but out of all the people i've checked that are downloading from me I haven't seen one person thats doing that.

[jetje]

Originally posted by Knightmad@Nov 21 2002, 10:29 PM
Follow my point of view ..... we are all thieves (although I believe that all knowledge should be free, and for all), most of this files we are sharing are not really ours ....
but a leech is a thief who's stealing from robbers. He ain't called a leecher for no reason. People who share p2p are good loyal communist, Humanists or what you wanna call them, live and let live, they give away all they're having, the're the modern day jesus, they have one file and make it 7 files (read bread & fish). p2p people who really believe are modern robin hoods robbers, but heroes. Non sharing, so called leechers are people stealing handbags from old ladies, so called scum of the earth. http://members.home.nl/admit/giffies%20uploaded/homer%20simpson.gif

<_< did i mean all this ;) have to think it over, i guess

[Guest]

Those people are stupid leechers and should be kicked, but out of all the people i've checked that are downloading from me I haven't seen one person thats doing that.

Well, I have. In fact, today I have one leech who has had his participation level at 1000 all day. If it drops below 900, he raises it right back up. I checked his shared files. One time...showed NONE. That's ok...figured Kazaa might not let them through. So I checked it again. Had a list of files...(about 10) GREAT. Went back a few minutes later, his list had changed (all the movies he has been leeching off me were GONE). Looked again, and a DIFFERENT list of files. Went back to the traffic page, and his PL was 1000 again. Guess he was using his cheater, and didn't even bother to sign off Kazaa first. :lol:

[Rat Faced]

(Just right now there are 2 users downloading from me at about 60Kb/s speed and sharing nothing, not even the files they already got from me!) But this doesnt means that we can extrude any people from the community just because they have no or just a few files to share. Or isnt this the way that all we users start, with empty directory?


Knightmad, you just contradicted yourself. They did have something to share.

There is no way a Newbie would have a set up like sneepboy whereby the downloaded files go somewhere other than the shared folder to be verified before putting into the shared folder.

They are either:

a/ Leechers or
b/ Leechers

[Gambo]

There has been some valid points to this thread, seeing as I didn't understand really what a leech was (DUH!) and all I can say is, when you're on a 56K connection, and you want your PL up, you leave your system up for as long as possible, and share everything. I only have an eight gig drive for storage, and everything is shared. It has taken me a couple of nights to get my PL up to 71? Still, I wouldn't have the files if it wasn't for you lot so BIG THANKS and I'll always do likewise. :D

[SiliconeShadow]

BIt of advice for you guys on dial up- create your own cheater or SHARE PORN if you want your PL to go up, as for LEECHERS I am the one of the biggest fucking leechers on the planet, wanna ban me go ahead !!! I'll be back onto with you a spoofed IP address and different user name in no time so give it up!! And a program to show FAKE shared files would not be hard to create for those cheesy apps that ATTEMPT to kill leechers, so there you have it not a perfect world after all is it!!

God I love this forum !!!


Keep up the excellent work Paul and CO.

shadow

[El_Jefe]

Originally posted by SiliconeShadow@Nov 24 2002, 02:31 PM
as for LEECHERS I am the one of the biggest fucking leechers on the planet, wanna ban me go ahead !!! I'll be back onto with you a spoofed IP address and different user name in no time so give it up!!
Well, good for you. You can d/l off me anytime you want, but I'm more concerned with the oxygen you are apparently robbing from the rest of us.

[random nut]

Originally posted by SiliconeShadow@Nov 24 2002, 06:31 AM
as for LEECHERS I am the one of the biggest fucking leechers on the planet, wanna ban me go ahead !!!
SiliconeShadow, why don't you do the little dance you use to post here and dance out of this forum?

[SiliconeShadow]

NOT quite in the mood for dancing just yet, but my point is relax and quit taking this shit so serious!

Ask not what FILESHARING can do for you,
but what you can do for FILESHARING !

peace
shadow

[random nut]

Originally posted by SiliconeShadow@Nov 24 2002, 05:19 PM
Ask not what FILESHARING can do for you,
but what you can do for FILESHARING !
And your answer is to leech? That'll really help filesharing, won't it? If you're a poor modem user who pays by the minute I don't mind if you download shit from me without offering anything to others, otherwise you should share your data.

[SiliconeShadow]

Some Random Nut says:
And your answer is to leech? That'll really help filesharing, won't it? If you're a poor modem user who pays by the minute I don't mind if you download shit from me without offering anything to others, otherwise you should share your data.

Hmm, I just dont spend enough time filesharing to setup a library to offer to others, my filesharing is kinda like my SEX, i get on get what I need then get off :) I think that makes me a leech,

I contribute in that I am working on a couple of programs to Automate SuperNode Hopping, a new cheater, and a kind of a buddy list system, but not for me,for fine folks like yourself ,'cause I just dont spend that much time filesharing, but I do it for others to facilitate the offering of files to people like me and you.

Is that clear as mud? .. great!

shadow

[random nut]

Originally posted by SiliconeShadow@Nov 24 2002, 07:22 PM
my filesharing is kinda like my SEX, i get on get what I need then get off :)

So I assume you get small files that take 4 seconds to download?

[SiliconeShadow]

insert obligatory <ask your ..sister.. > joke here.



good one though, I set myself up for that one!

shadow

[Rat Faced]

Would it be so hard to shove a couple of files in the shared folder?

Not as if you're on often or for long by the sound of it...wouldn't cost anything or take long. Just drag and drop a couple of MP3s or a vid...

[SiliconeShadow]

not hard at all as a matter of fact I usually offer software <ARRRGH MATEY> I just don't stay on long enough for anyone to complete a download from me, but there are rare occasions where I leave my box on all night offering Software and Games! and I probably have about 5 different computers 3Pcs and 2 Laptops that I use, why copy all files to all 5? and none stay on while I'm not using them.

If I was an avid filesharer then things might be a little different, but I'm not , I'm a measly ole janitor who likes porn and software!

[Speedeefeet]

GOOD TIP............ I GUESS :(

[the flinger]

it takes no time to make a library!!!!
just download, then leave them in there
even if someone only gets half of a file from you, if they do that twice, voila!

[michae1ange1o]

ok, A short while back i had a full time job that lasted 12 hours a day. i used to set my machine up then go to work and after a few days i got to supreme being using normal kazaa. my average uploading was up to 60 people at a time +. then i lost my job and am now online pretty much all day :blink: i found kazaa lite and the movie downloads page and was delighted to find validated movies of around 700meg in size .. no problem for my cable modem so id set up my machine to download em then go to bed expecting them to be halfway finished by the next day, i woke the next day to find id only downloaded 5% of the movies etc untill a friend told me about limiting the uploads to increase my downloads or limit the kb upload, so for a week or two i stopped sharing at night to increase the speed of my dl and limit my uploads to a max of 20 at a time i have around 50 gigs of movies, buffy episodes :D, enterprise episodes plus games. i have plans of getting another 200 gig hd for more storage, now answer me this .. am i a leech? because over the last week my downloads have decreased in speed dramaticaly eg"Minority_Report_(2002).cd2.rfta.ShareReactor.avi ( kazaadownload-Minority_Report_(2002).cd2.rfta.ShareReactor.avi.dat )
Total file size: 734,578,688 bytes (700.55 MB)
Bytes downloaded: 1,143,545 bytes ( 1.09 MB ) 0.2 % <-- two kbs dl" i have been waiting 2 days for a connection for the movie "28 days" and havent recieved 1kb yet. if there is a proggy out there that bans downloading from certain ip numbers all its gonna do is piss people like me off and stop me from downloading or uploading in effect creating what sharers hate most

[Switeck]

Originally posted by michae1ange1o@Dec 4 2002, 01:29 AM
i woke the next day to find id only downloaded 5% of the movies etc untill a friend told me about limiting the uploads to increase my downloads or limit the kb upload, so for a week or two i stopped sharing at night to increase the speed of my dl and limit my uploads to a max of 20 at a time i have around 50 gigs of movies, buffy episodes :D, enterprise episodes plus games. i have plans of getting another 200 gig hd for more storage, now answer me this .. am i a leech? because over the last week my downloads have decreased in speed dramaticaly
Yes, you are at least a part-time leech... but...

Your friend was at least partially correct -- Kazaa lite's default upload speed is set to unlimited, which is HARD on a connection. Plus, the number of upload slots is possibly set a little too high.

If you wanted ALL the speed you get from turning sharing off but none of the penalties of PL=0, just set the upload bandwidth to 3/4 to half your connection's upload speed maximum. The value to use is probably 64kbps or 128kbps. Then set upload slots to 3-5. And share fewer than 100 files and/or rare stuff, so you're not hammered by search requests. If it's just popular enough that people want what you have, you'll see your PL rise to at least 50.

Put your download slots to 30+, as this will cause Kazaa Lite to retry MORE downloads at a time. You will seldom get more than 20 downloads going at once though, and if your connection's faster than 1mbps it'll just mean you get more files quicker...

[michae1ange1o]

Thanx I will try that tonight, I still cant get "28 days" to download though. I may have to D/L a poor version <_<

[deckard]

Here I am, again. Back where I started. God, what a durable topic!

a friend told me about limiting the uploads to increase my downloads or limit the kb upload, so for a week or two i stopped sharing at night to increase the speed of my dl and limit my uploads to a max of 20 at a time i have around 50 gigs of movies, buffy episodes , enterprise episodes plus games. i have plans of getting another 200 gig hd for more storage, now answer me this .. am i a leech?

No, Michae1ange1o, but you might be a little greedy....have you watched or even listened to any of that stuff you've downloaded, or are you just a collector with no real interest in it but to have it?

Just a thought...

[KazaaSearch]

Originally posted by ShareDaddy+Nov 10 2002, 08:41 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (ShareDaddy @ Nov 10 2002, 08:41 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by -KazaaSearch@Nov 8 2002, 08:35 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--Nick_R@Nov 8 2002, 10:00 PM
OK, I have to accept that I am obsessed with leeches. From the users that connect to my computer to download files, at least half of them are leeches, and this people avoids others users (people sharing) to connect and download what they want.

I have read all the posts here, and everything seems to complex. I normally run KazaaKontrol but have noticed that a leech with a broadband connection (the worsts) reconnect just after KazaaKontrol kill them. So, what is the solution?

I found an interesting program that can shows Kazaa connections (as well as any others if you like) and stop them extremely easy. It shows local and remote IP addresses, local and remote used ports and their address name.

There are two versions:

*Freeware: Version 2.0 of this program.

*Shareware ($20): Version 3.2 of this program. The main advantage of this version is that it allows you to save the ip address in it and stop it automatically as soon as this ip address is detected again. It has a 30 days trial window.

From both of this versions, the 3.2 sounds and works like a charm. If anybody gets the registration code, share it!

Well, Goodbye leeches!

B)

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I can't understand your point - how do you distinguish between leech and non-leech? Kazaakontrol fails to do that! There are lots of things which prevent you from connecting to the user and getting his shared database. E.g., he can have a local IP (and this means that he is almost unreachable for people outside his intranet, because, as discussed in anther thread, KAzaa supernode only stores his local/internal IP, not the external one). That person can also be behind a firewall, or his IP can be dynamic (like dialup users who have a real external IP of their provider but not for long time). But this doesn't mean that person is a leech, he can be sharing but unaware that he is unreachable. There is also a problem with Kaza 2.0 - it seems to me that it fails to get user's file list in many cases, even if the person has static external IP.
Here it is, no matter what may be causing you from sharing (outside of the usual Kazaa search error) you are not sharing, I mean if I place an electrical device on my PC to prevent people from seeing my files I am not sharing. You people who keep coming up with this SHITE make me sick. Share files, stop using fuc(ing excuses just share. If I search for your files more than 3 times and still get nothing, you are not sharing and I will boot you, if you come back I will make sure you never get that file, simple as that. Do you know how many files I have sitting in my folder waiting to download? Lots of files and I am sick of it, share or stay the fuc( away from me and mine.[/b][/quote]
I wonder ShareDaddy, do you like sitting in front of the computer and cancel uploads? How many hours do you spend regularly on that? may be it's better to do something useful meanwhile? And let Kazaa do its job? Even by cost of feeding the leeches?

I pointed out that there exists NO RELIABLE WAY to really determine if a user shares or not. Although, if you really like retrieving everybody's files triple times, as you said, this may work. But most people do not like it that much. By pointing out that fact I do not advocate or excuse leeches. And I do share tons of precious mp3 music. And people do upload from me.

May be you should stop give vent to your bile, this forum is inappropriate place for that. Or at least choose your enemy correctly. I am not a leech.

[jetje]

Originally posted by Switeck@Dec 4 2002, 08:06 AM
If you wanted ALL the speed you get from turning sharing off but none of the penalties of PL=0, just set the upload bandwidth to 3/4 to half your connection's upload speed maximum. The value to use is probably 64kbps or 128kbps. Then set upload slots to 3-5. And share fewer than 100 files and/or rare stuff, so you're not hammered by search requests. If it's just popular enough that people want what you have, you'll see your PL rise to at least 50.

Put your download slots to 30+, as this will cause Kazaa Lite to retry MORE downloads at a time. You will seldom get more than 20 downloads going at once though, and if your connection's faster than 1mbps it'll just mean you get more files quicker...
Your explanation is quite good, and i can agree for a big part. But ain't these kind of solutions biting back on us. These kinda tricks make download speed overall pretty slow. If everyone capps their upload speed. Downloads will suck to. <_<

[michae1ange1o]

No, Michae1ange1o, but you might be a little greedy....have you watched or even listened to any of that stuff you've downloaded, or are you just a collector with no real interest in it but to have it? YYYYYup i watch every single episode/movie i have, living in the uk means i have to get my current tv fix from kazaa since our episodes of Buffy/enterprise etc are 1 series behind the US i knew people who could d/l them for me but at a price of £5 $8 but im a greedy bugger and it galled me to pay for stuff i could get myself, I understood also there would be people out there with the same idea as me so whatever i D/L i keep stored on HD for others to share untill it becomes old hat or i delete it from my hd unfortunately i havent created diddly since i never had the time to find out how, but i recently got me a vee cee arrr/dee vee dee player thats connectable to my Winfast A250, all the stuff i got is for me, anything i have copied to disk are for friends who cant download it n all i ever ask is a replacement blank disk. so greedy? me? naaaaaaaaa :lol:

[Switeck]

Originally posted by jetje+Dec 5 2002, 07:14 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (jetje @ Dec 5 2002, 07:14 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Switeck@Dec 4 2002, 08:06 AM
If you wanted ALL the speed you get from turning sharing off but none of the penalties of PL=0, just set the upload bandwidth to 3/4 to half your connection's upload speed maximum. The value to use is probably 64kbps or 128kbps. Then set upload slots to 3-5. And share fewer than 100 files and/or rare stuff, so you're not hammered by search requests. If it's just popular enough that people want what you have, you'll see your PL rise to at least 50.

Put your download slots to 30+, as this will cause Kazaa Lite to retry MORE downloads at a time. You will seldom get more than 20 downloads going at once though, and if your connection's faster than 1mbps it'll just mean you get more files quicker...

Your explanation is quite good, and i can agree for a big part. But ain't these kind of solutions biting back on us. These kinda tricks make download speed overall pretty slow. If everyone capps their upload speed. Downloads will suck to. <_<[/b][/quote]

Actually lowering upload speed isn't as bad as it seems. Unfortunately, there's no way to set bandwidth to "however much you have leftover after downloads, kazaa network bandwidth, and web surfing/email" inside Kazaa -- you can't even approximate it using a fixed kbps value that approximates that (like 96kbps for a 128kbps connection.)

I have a Comcast cablemodem with an upload cap of 128kbps.
I've sat and watched my network connection's speeds on a graphing monitor program. (AnalogX NetStat Live) If I set my upload speed to anything more than about 108kbps, (under normal conditions) my upload output goes 'ragged' bursting from barely over 16KB/sec to nearly 0KB/sec because the speed limiters at the ISP server level kick in. In short, my actual send speeds to someone else DROPS DRAMATICALLY if I set it any higher. And if I leave it at unlimited, it thrashes my connection slightly harder than if I set it to 128kbps. Both 128kbps and unlimited upload speed will majorly negatively impact my download speeds and even my ability to surf the web -- as packet loss for all other activities besides uploading is not simply likely but rather guarenteed!

BUT if you don't use reasonable upload limits, you will be knocking off connections to you as Kazaa WILL flood out your connection (as long as you have <1mbps PER upload slot.) And that results in high packet loss, lots of resends, dropped connections, etc -- which is what we have right now.

Couple this with people that think 10+ upload slots = better for sharing, and you have exactly what we see on Kazaa today -- even WITHOUT all the network disruptions by hackers, viruses, trojans, ISPs, and natural disasters.

And this is why many have said "Kazaa sucks!" -- because indeed its weaknesses are horribly huge. Its few strengths have less to do with the software and more to do with how many people are on it that DO share.

I don't use any Kazaa cheater programs -- I don't really need to. Instead I save 'snapshots' of my present PL value as small *.REG files and install the best one just before relaunching Kazaa Lite v2.0.2 -- I start Kazaa with a low to very low downloads slot value so uploads outnumber and outrun active downloads. Once I find a download with a high speed, I know my PL will probably only go down so I save the value and crank up download slots to 20+. I should easily get a PL=1,000 in about a week to a month doing this.

My speed controls for Kazaa Lite, upload slot limits, download limits, turn sharing on/off (when I REALLY want to bust up some leechers), and increasing max search entries to beyond 200 (but only to 999 -- as I don't want to flood the network too much) are also little *.REG files. This allows me to make many Kazaa settings changes while Kazaa itself remains minimized. (Which maximizes DL+UP speed...)

I share fewer than 300 files, but over 10gigs with 2-5 upload slots at 108kbps (13.5KB/sec) almost all of the time -- but often I get uploads that only run at <0.5KB/sec speeds despite having >5KB/sec upload speed to spare. I'd be a lot happier if I could sustain that also in download speeds -- but it's getting harder to do so...

[Oni]

hmmm is there any way we can book mark the ppl like our good selfs who share flies...or this some thing we can ask the writers at kazaa to think about for the next kazaalite

regards

Oni :ph34r:

[knightstick]

you think people would feel lucky that p2p like kazaa is out there? they get shitloads of stuff free and all they can do is bitch?? taking to long to download for ya? then go out and by it!!
right now i share about 60gb of stuff and your gonna cut me off 'cause you cant read my files? well lucky i'm not the prick some people are and i'll keep sharing, some leeches get some of my shit oh well hope they like it. i know i find what i need. how dumb does it sound when you talk about ethics when your doing something illegal?

to all those that bitch about 56kers and leeches....... move to redmond i'm sure you and bill would get along fine!!!

[siphon]

I know I'll prolly get some flame for this, but it's my opinion.

With a fiber gigabit connection and 3 computers running kazaa sharing about 3000 files, I contribute way more than I actually use Kazaa. I would just like to see that those that have access to high bandwidth are also doing their part. That's what makes the system work so well, that those that have the power, distribute it fairly. Incidently, I don't bother checking slow downloads for participation, as some are modem, I used to be on 56k, I know how it is, and I understand. If you have real bandwidth, your sucking off mine, and you're not sharing yours, then, your a leech, and I catch you on my pc, you won't get the complete file, simple as that. I keep an eye on the download speeds. If guy is downloading a movie from me at 300k per second, and I can't get to his harddrive to see his shared files, then he has none to share. Unfortunately, I would like to see that when I cancel someones download, that I can "ban" them. As of now, if I cancel the download in Kazaa, their pc just restarts again. That leaves us to running auxiliary programs and such to control the leechers, which shouldn't be. This should be incorporated into Kazaa. Just as simply as I can ignore messages from a user, I should be able to be selective about how gets my files.


Cheers to the great freedom of p2p sharing. Efforts to prevent file swapping are futile as quoted from Microsoft researchers themselves. Check out this article (http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/28231.html).

[Switeck]

Many can't "do their part" thanks to serious issues in Kazaa.

If you're behind a LAN/DSL router/Hub/Switch, your internal LAN ip address gets passed to the supernodes as your connection address -- instead of your INTERNET ip address...

This is DOUBLY bad for others on a LAN trying to contact you (or vice versa), as these internal LAN ip addresses requesting connection appear to originate from on the LAN -- so the computer can lockup (rarely, fortunately) trying to find the 'local computer'.

If you're on a LAN, try running this from DOS prompt:
NETSTAT -n 9

One way to avoid some of that is to run outside a lan -- not very useful though...

Or change your LAN's internal ip address to something other than 198.xxx.xxx.xxx or 10.x.x.xxx -- it probably won't make you any easier to contact so others can download from you, but it'll mean you won't be hammered by others also on those same internal LAN ip addresses.

Lastly, USE IP PORT FORWARDING at your router/switch/hardware firewall level! Kazaa typically uses port 1214 -- so forward that directly to your computer's internal LAN ip address.

[.]

People that are complaining about people not sharing are really contributing to a far more serious problem which is the fake files and virus files. If someone needs to have large files to share and share a lot that means that they might post files with fake names or even virus files. So someone spends a lot of time downloading a file only to find they got a different file they have no use for or a virus infected computer.

People downloading by modem sometimes have to turn off sharing just to get the file. If your downloading at 5kb and the file takes 2 days to download i.e. 2 days with no telephone and someone starts to upload that means that the file could take a week to download or the download could even trickle down to .07 and take a year. Also if a person has a modem they are not likely to be on line long enough for anyone to complete and upload of a software or DVD file leaving uploaders with wasted time and half completed files.

Sharing short music files can be fun as you know that the person likes your music, has the same music tastes as you and thus you have something in common with that person especially if its a little known artist you might even know some of the same people in this ever shrinking world

Many file sharers are people who benefit society equalizing the digital divide providing good software, music, and movies to those who could never afford to buy them and thus in no way harm the software, music, and movie industries.

But to these nerds who have no life, whose only life is before a computer, and are critical of people not sharing they should get a life before the frauds and virus spreaders take over file sharing.

[injunpana]

The ones I find are leechers are all KaZaaliteuser@KaZaa.... and that really feels like a betrayal as well

Contrarywise, I find kazaaliteuser@kazaa a very dependable user from whom to download. I'm only on dial-up so when I want to download a long song I always choose him if he has the song I want. he has never quit on me, unlike others, even if downloading a 10 mb mp3 takes forever for me. Besides, we share the same taste in music.

[Maxine]

Originally posted by .@Dec 13 2002, 07:00 AM
People downloading by modem sometimes have to turn off sharing just to get the file. If your downloading at 5kb and the file takes 2 days to download i.e. 2 days with no telephone and someone starts to upload that means that the file could take a week to download or the download could even trickle down to .07 and take a year. Also if a person has a modem they are not likely to be on line long enough for anyone to complete and upload of a software or DVD file leaving uploaders with wasted time and half completed files.
<span style='font-size:8pt;line-height:100%'>People downloading by modem sometimes have to turn off sharing just to get the file. If your downloading at 5kb and the file takes 2 days to download i.e. 2 days with no telephone and someone starts to upload that means that the file could take a week to download or the download could even trickle down to .07 and take a year</span>
Why do you try such big files than. If you are on amodem be glad to get small files. If you want to download faster buy broadband.

Also if a person has a modem they are not likely to be on line long enough for anyone to complete and upload of a software or DVD file leaving uploaders with wasted time and half completed files.
You really know nothing, and start blaming. If you share, someone takes a little from you, a little from me (on 56k modem, yes!) and a lot from someone with dsl. He don't need the whole file from you.

But to these nerds who have no life, whose only life is before a computer, and are critical of people not sharing they should get a life before the frauds and virus spreaders take over file sharing.
You are talking if you are such a guy? Without those "NERDS" there was no filesharing. And you were sitting behind your computer not knowing what to do. Because you have nothing to download for free.
All you have to do if you want to download, is share. Is that to much asked? If everyone shares even you will get your files faster. So i have said it. My 1st post ever. Love reading all this learned a lot. Can't wait till i get DSL. I will be coming here much faster and more.

Love to you all (even you . (dot, not sharing one) :wub:

Maxine