How Can I Stop Being A Leech?

[CadetPher]

Ok one question for anyone out there, maybe you ShareDaddy? I have a firewall up, but I allowed Kazaa full access through it and have about 18 Gigs of stuff in my shared folder, however it seems that everytime someone tries to download something from me, their connection is always at 1.5 K of something rediculous like that even though I'm on a cable modem. I have set the bandwidth for uploads really high in the Kazaa options and still nothing. I just don't want people to think I'm a leech when I'm really conciously trying not to be. Anyone got any advice?

[Number 6]

Remember that there are two computers involved in your connection: your's which is a cable modem, and theirs which may be a dial-up or satellite (typical throughput of these is 1.07Kb/s).

Check your settings under Tools:Options:Traffic:Advanced and make sure that you're not choking your Upload bandwidth (mine is Unlimited).

There's nothing you can do if the connection is choked at their end, but you should find occaisional other people with cable modems/DSL and be giving them 34Kb/s+.

[CadetPher]

well my upload bandwidth is set to unlimited and i figuered that some people would be on slower connections, but every single upload from me in the last month has been at 1.5 K or less, so i think it must be something on my end

[saggydog]

Who cares?!! :-) Point is you are sharing-personally Im happy if Im after something and Im only getting 0.5 off a single user.Times that by 8 or so (hopefully) and its not so bad.Better that than NOTHING !! Seriously though, as a matter of interest,what speeds would your uploads go at if there was say 6 or 10 users on?

[CadetPher]

point taken. thanks for the input people.. glad to know that i'm not an asshole after all :D :D :D :D

[Evil Gemini]

LMAO!!!! :D

[JMN]

You problem is simple Cable internet. You were probably FOOLED by cable internet SPEED and PRICE. You didnt bother to read the fine print.....
A. Cable has a huge DOWNLOAD speed because the downstream networks in this country are huge.
Cable is always used as a huge downstream providing Digital and Analogue NTSC Video.
B. Upstream cable is about as much as isdn (two 56ks or less). Usually, it even less than 56k. Interactive
cable doesnt need huge upload bandwith because its just request for Video or TV Guide download.
Cable companies took advantage of this because they had a tone of bandwith and little users. They
used the rest of their bandwith for Internet use.
C. Internet signals are routed by priority, this depends on how much you pay, you see, Hyperthreading
has only been invented so 1 server can process 2 things at the same time without loosing bandwith.
Intel has the best processors, not AMD, dont be fooled. They are pioneering hyperthreading in their
3.05 chip and their newest BIOS which gives you the ability to run to apps at one time, unlike the regular
processor which you can only perform one function at a time. No, I am not delusional, you can process a
gif animation and run the calculator at the same time, but the processor rations its resources be dividing
them by switching back and forth between operations.
D. Yes, Cable has a huge download speed, but upload suffers and so does reponse. Cable providers
are a mess, thats why so many people can get away with stealing cable, you just need the right equip.
Download is not proritized, Upload has to be. There is a saying, Catching rain in a glass is easy, but
returning it to the sky is the hard part.
The Bianary way cable works gives it a really sucky ping of 500+ in games and etc.
The more you pay the higher the priority the upload, which is more upload speed.

Satelite on the other hand has improved. Satellite is fit to provide HDTV so it can upload/Download at MUCH MUCH highter speeds than Cable at lower priorities. Satellite used to be a Download giant but you'd
have to connect it to a phone line. Now, 2way reciever from DirecTV have hit the market. They are great.
Upload speed is awesome. 1000+ kbs upload and 400kbs+ upload for 69.99 a month and for 99.99 you get T3+ speed. The ping is great too, 17ghz frequency is fast. This is due to an automated reques system.
A satelite dish on you roof send a signal to the satelite, which compacts the signal from you and other customers into 1 signal and beams it to the CO, since this is 1 signal, you do not need thousands of cable modems and servers to complete the request. A signal is beamed back with the request data. Note: Most ground servers are Fiber-Optic.

DSL is the same this as Satelite, just uses an 8 wire technology, ISDN is the same as satellite but uses 4 wires. Dual 56ks is 1 ISDN or less and Dual ISDNs is a little less than DSL. T1 / T2 is basically a makeshift DSL using Coax cable which have less electromagnetic loss. T3+ is makeshift coax and now Fiber-Optic.
1 wire can hold one impulse of data. DSL speeds fall because of the loss of signal strengh, by length.
1 fiberoptic line (shaped plexiglass/glass) can hold about 80,000 signal eg each signal can by identified
by light frequency of each laser in nanometers. Sure this is costly, but very efficient. And service is cheap.
Fiberoptic is about the same thing as satellite but there is no data loss because it uses light in a channeled
tube. Fiberoptics is not limited by distance. Distance doesnt matter at all. This also uses one collection device just like satellite.

Below is an impulse chart on 1 data. This is not too accurate.

Dial Up ----_-- -_-- _- - -_---_ - - -_ ---- - -- --_- - - - ---- - ___-- - - _ - -- - _----- - --__- - - -
ISDN --- -- --_ _ _ _ __-- -- --_ _ __ __- -- --- -_ __ __ __-- -- - ---__ _ __ _--- - --_ ___ Cable --------------------------------------------------------________________________------------
DSL -_ -_ - ___ ___ ____ ____ -_- __- _- __ -___ - _ - _- _____ __ ___ -_ - _ - _- _
Satellite -_ -_ -______________-_- _-_- _-_-___ -_- __________ -___- _ -___- _-__-__-___-
T1-2 ---------------------________________-------------______________-----------_________
T3+ -_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_________-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-__________-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_

Key: - Basic Impulse
_ Impulse Contining Imformation
Loss in sign due to cable shielding and length

[CadetPher]

wow. that was a pretty long reply just to tell me things which aren't true. when i fileshare with people that i know, i get upload speeds of 150k+ ... and i don't really know what you're talking about cause my friends ping me usually below 40 when playing unreal or whatever online. hmmmm, kind of sounded like an ad for satellite. hmmmm

[Cedrick]

Originally posted by CadetPher,16 December 2002 - 07:13
wow.  that was a pretty long reply just to tell me things which aren't true.  when i fileshare with people that i know, i get upload speeds of 150k+ ...   and i don't really know what you're talking about cause my friends ping me usually below 40 when playing unreal or whatever online.  hmmmm, kind of sounded like an ad for satellite.  hmmmm
I play Unreal Tournament also! My ping is about 40 too.

That game is the BEST!

My favorite UT site is CTF-Facing worlds. Look for "House of Smegma" in your Capture The Flag section, when uploading UT sites. My user name there is always Smigman.

As a matter of fact, I bought a 50 foot LAN cable (and linksys cards) and connected my computer to another computer (the kid's PC) at home. Unreal tournament is cool on LAN. With 10/100Mb speed my ping is also 40 (on UT) at home. I could actually (if I wanted to) string the LAN cable out my window, and let my neighbor connect up and play a round of UT.

The LAN connection at home is SO FAST, my hard drive recieving the information can't keep up, thus slowing down the the full capabilities of the Linksys cards. My next investment is a HUB. I can get the two computers online with DSL and do some serious Unreal Tournament killing with my kids.

The two computers at home each have a webcam. The kids love playing "Video telephone" with XP's built-in video phone feature. It actually 'rings', and the microphones work too.



FIREWALL. Go to this website https://grc.com/x/ne.dll?bh0bkyd2 and test your computer's firewall!!!!!!!!!!!

WindowsXP users with DSL or Cable will have an advantage (built-in firewall). you'll see wjen you visit the site.

[Switeck]

Originally posted by Cedrick@17 December 2002 - 00:42
[QUOTE=CadetPher,16 December 2002 - 07:13]
The LAN connection at home is SO FAST, my hard drive recieving the information can't keep up, thus slowing down the the full capabilities of the Linksys cards. My next investment is a HUB. I can get the two computers online with DSL and do some serious Unreal Tournament killing with my kids.
Don't get a standard HUB -- get a DSL 10/100 router with at least 4 computer ports.

Printers and other peripherals are going to standard ethernet connectors as either their only connection type or as an optional connection type, so even if you only have 2 computers you'll easily be able to tie up all 4 computer links on the DSL router.

Plus, this'll leave a line for a friend to plug into if you want even more players in a UT LAN game! B)

[Ðark Princ€]

damn JMN that was impressive how do you know that?
im not really in to cable or dsl anyway cause you never dissconnect that gives a hacker a better chance of gettin you since your ip will never change!! so i will stick with this slow ass dial up!!

[Switeck]

Originally posted by killa sin@19 December 2002 - 02:33
damn JMN that was impressive how do you know that?
im not really in to cable or dsl anyway cause you never dissconnect that gives a hacker a better chance of gettin you since your ip will never change!! so i will stick with this slow ass dial up!!
My Linksys DSL Router has a built-in hardware firewall -- which although limited gives some ability to shield my computer from direct ip-port connections.

I can disconnect anytime I like with my cablemodem -- I can unplug its power supply, disconnect its ethernet cable from my router or disconnect 1 or more computer's ethernet cables from my router, or just turn the computers off.

On the other hand, a modem can also dial-out silently -- and being that it's probably an internal modem you can't easily disconnect it from the computer -- although you can yank its phone line connection.

[evil] Hackers aren't as big a direct threat as the viruses and trojans they make -- many of these wait till YOU open an internet connection to do much of their dirty work...

Case in point: the adware/spyware in regular Kazaa are trojans that contact the internet. (possibly a lot!)

[chloe_cc2002]

[QUOTE]Number 6: remember there are two computers involved in your connection[QUOTE]

Mine is dial up. Not many people have successfully uploaded from me. Still feeling like a leech, whilst consoling myself that it's unintentional.

**leech

n 1: carnivorous or bloodsucking aquatic or terrestrial worms typically having a sucker at each end [syn: bloodsucker, hirudinean]

[CadetPher]

i run on a cable modem which runs into a linksys wireless access point router. this way, i have 3 comps in the house all running cable speed without having to make a new infastructure of ethernet in the house, since each of the other 2 comps is connected wirelessly. for anyone running a LAN in a somewhat small square foot area i would highly reccommend doing something like this. additionally, the router will have a built in firewall. i would suggest getting norton internet security or personal firewall or something as well, just for the ad blocking, privacy, and intrusion detection features, just make sure that the norton firewall option is off or the whole thing won't work. ok before i ramble on any further.. time to go get some wendy's and go christmas shopping

[CadetPher]

Originally posted by chloe_cc2002@19 December 2002 - 21:29
[QUOTE]Number 6: remember there are two computers involved in your connection[QUOTE]

Mine is dial up. Not many people have successfully uploaded from me. Still feeling like a leech, whilst consoling myself that it's unintentional.

**leech

n 1: carnivorous or bloodsucking aquatic or terrestrial worms typically having a sucker at each end [syn: bloodsucker, hirudinean]
and don't worry... i don't consider u a leech... wow this string got a little off topic

[Switeck]

You can at least block the ads without a firewall...
Ad Aware (or Spybot v1.1), Kazaa Lite, and HOSTS supertrick.

The wireless router adds considerably to your latency and may slow your downloads slightly.
Not as bad as using USB tho...

[Bustacap2K2]

:lol: While this is off topic, what does everyone want for Christmas??! :D

[Rat Faced]

Originally posted by JMN@16 December 2002 - 06:03
You problem is simple Cable internet. You were probably FOOLED by cable internet SPEED and PRICE. You didnt bother to read the fine print.....
A. Cable has a huge DOWNLOAD speed because the downstream networks in this country are huge.
Cable is always used as a huge downstream providing Digital and Analogue NTSC Video.
B. Upstream cable is about as much as isdn (two 56ks or less). Usually, it even less than 56k. Interactive
cable doesnt need huge upload bandwith because its just request for Video or TV Guide download.
Cable companies took advantage of this because they had a tone of bandwith and little users. They
used the rest of their bandwith for Internet use.
C. Internet signals are routed by priority, this depends on how much you pay, you see, Hyperthreading
has only been invented so 1 server can process 2 things at the same time without loosing bandwith.
Intel has the best processors, not AMD, dont be fooled. They are pioneering hyperthreading in their
3.05 chip and their newest BIOS which gives you the ability to run to apps at one time, unlike the regular
processor which you can only perform one function at a time. No, I am not delusional, you can process a
gif animation and run the calculator at the same time, but the processor rations its resources be dividing
them by switching back and forth between operations.
D. Yes, Cable has a huge download speed, but upload suffers and so does reponse. Cable providers
are a mess, thats why so many people can get away with stealing cable, you just need the right equip.
Download is not proritized, Upload has to be. There is a saying, Catching rain in a glass is easy, but
returning it to the sky is the hard part.
The Bianary way cable works gives it a really sucky ping of 500+ in games and etc.
The more you pay the higher the priority the upload, which is more upload speed.

Satelite on the other hand has improved. Satellite is fit to provide HDTV so it can upload/Download at MUCH MUCH highter speeds than Cable at lower priorities. Satellite used to be a Download giant but you'd
have to connect it to a phone line. Now, 2way reciever from DirecTV have hit the market. They are great.
Upload speed is awesome. 1000+ kbs upload and 400kbs+ upload for 69.99 a month and for 99.99 you get T3+ speed. The ping is great too, 17ghz frequency is fast. This is due to an automated reques system.
A satelite dish on you roof send a signal to the satelite, which compacts the signal from you and other customers into 1 signal and beams it to the CO, since this is 1 signal, you do not need thousands of cable modems and servers to complete the request. A signal is beamed back with the request data. Note: Most ground servers are Fiber-Optic.

DSL is the same this as Satelite, just uses an 8 wire technology, ISDN is the same as satellite but uses 4 wires. Dual 56ks is 1 ISDN or less and Dual ISDNs is a little less than DSL. T1 / T2 is basically a makeshift DSL using Coax cable which have less electromagnetic loss. T3+ is makeshift coax and now Fiber-Optic.
1 wire can hold one impulse of data. DSL speeds fall because of the loss of signal strengh, by length.
1 fiberoptic line (shaped plexiglass/glass) can hold about 80,000 signal eg each signal can by identified
by light frequency of each laser in nanometers. Sure this is costly, but very efficient. And service is cheap.
Fiberoptic is about the same thing as satellite but there is no data loss because it uses light in a channeled
tube. Fiberoptics is not limited by distance. Distance doesnt matter at all. This also uses one collection device just like satellite.

Below is an impulse chart on 1 data. This is not too accurate.

Dial Up ----_-- -_-- _- - -_---_ - - -_ ---- - -- --_- - - - ---- - ___-- - - _ - -- - _----- - --__- - - -
ISDN --- -- --_ _ _ _ __-- -- --_ _ __ __- -- --- -_ __ __ __-- -- - ---__ _ __ _--- - --_ ___ Cable --------------------------------------------------------________________________------------
DSL -_ -_ - ___ ___ ____ ____ -_- __- _- __ -___ - _ - _- _____ __ ___ -_ - _ - _- _
Satellite -_ -_ -______________-_- _-_- _-_-___ -_- __________ -___- _ -___- _-__-__-___-
T1-2 ---------------------________________-------------______________-----------_________
T3+ -_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_________-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-__________-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_

Key: - Basic Impulse
_ Impulse Contining Imformation
Loss in sign due to cable shielding and length
:blink: :blink: :blink:

[Rat Faced]

Chloe, your not a LEECH...you share.

Not your fault you dont have what others want. ;)

[Tzven]

I use a cable modem. My download bandwith is around 80 megabits per second, and upload is 128 kilobits per second. When I had upload bandwith set to unlimited, I could barely share anything; people would unexepectedly get cut off from me, and I would occasionaly get kicked from my ISP. And other people on my network would yell at me because they couldnt upload things either. [SIZE=1]As if their petty uploads are more important than sharing.[SIZE=7]

To fix this, all I did was set the upload bandwith to 24. And maximum users to 2. Now each user uploading from me gets a steady 3 kb/s. I dont get yelled at, and my participation level is up to a wopping 4!

-Tzven

[Crazycol]

Originally posted by Tzven@22 December 2002 - 02:18
I use a cable modem. My download bandwith is around 80 megabits per second, and upload is 128 kilobits per second. When I had upload bandwith set to unlimited, I could barely share anything; people would unexepectedly get cut off from me, and I would occasionaly get kicked from my ISP. And other people on my network would yell at me because they couldnt upload things either. [SIZE=1]As if their petty uploads are more important than sharing.[SIZE=7]

To fix this, all I did was set the upload bandwith to 24. And maximum users to 2. Now each user uploading from me gets a steady 3 kb/s. I dont get yelled at, and my participation level is up to a wopping 4!

-Tzven
80 megabits per second, it must cost you a fortune!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Tzven]

Ack, sorry, this is what I get for staying up at 4 am. its around 800 kilobits, I have no idea where I got the megabits from.

[Switeck]

Originally posted by Tzven@21 December 2002 - 20:18
I use a cable modem.  My download bandwith is around 80 megabits per second, and upload is 128 kilobits per second.  When I had upload bandwith set to unlimited, I could barely share anything; people would unexepectedly get cut off from me, and I would occasionaly get kicked from my ISP. And other people on my network would yell at me because they couldnt upload things either.  [SIZE=1]As if their petty uploads are more important than sharing.[SIZE=7]

To fix this, all I did was set the upload bandwith to 24. And maximum users to 2. Now each user uploading from me gets a steady 3 kb/s. I dont get yelled at, and my participation level is up to a wopping 4!

-Tzven
Um, that sucks dude!

That's not 24kbps to EACH user, that's 24kbps TOTAL upload bandwidth -- which in your case means 1.5KB/sec for each one AT BEST!

I share at 108kbps on my cablemodem with 128kbps upload and have it set to 3 upload slots usually. It still sucks on the upload side, but at least I know I'm sharing almost as fast as I can. If I set it any higher I see packetloss climb rapidly and lots of unstable connections. I can manage 112kbps or even 116kbps if extremely little else is going on and I only have 1 or 2 slow downloads in kazaa lite++.

At least give 64kbps upload speed a chance -- and 32kbps if that's 'too painful'.

[Tzven]

Well, the point was that setting the upload bandwith to higher then your maximum can produce very erratic results. Lowering it can actually improve performance. That doesn't change the fact that some of us our greedy pigs, like me, who loathe giving up valuable bandwith. :D

-Tzven

[lurker]

You're on cable, you won't be losing bandwith as long as you set uling to below max capacity. Try setting it to 116 and see if it affects your speed. Cause if it's not hurting you, why not?

[Tzven]

Unfortunately, I'm not the only one that uses the cable modem. There are three other computers which run constantly. So 3k per upload may not be great, but its better then nothing.

[Switeck]

Originally posted by Tzven@22 December 2002 - 06:36
Unfortunately, I'm not the only one that uses the cable modem. There are three other computers which run constantly. So 3k per upload may not be great, but its better then nothing.
If anyone else sharing the connection is running a real-time online game, I can understand -- those soak up major upload bandwidth! Also, emailing large file attachments eats up lots of upload bandwidth -- but only briefly while sending the attachment/s to the email server.

But for general surfing and even pretty heavy downloading, the others should be using pretty minimal upload bandwidth.

I'm on a LAN too with 3 computers -- my mom's, the Kazaa machine (a celeron 400Mhz), and mine. And they've all been online at the same time downloading/in chats/surfing the web all at once and it still wasn't laggy with Kazaa Lite sharing at 64kbps or greater.

You should be ok at 32kbps upload and possibly even 64kbps unless the others are really heavy internet users. How about set it higher during "off-hours"?