Amends?

[DWk]

Well I've been out for a couple of days cuz I've been busy in the "real world" :o :rolleyes:

Anyhow, I came back here to check on the topics that matter (ATM). So I come inside this section of the forum and see SO MANY closed topics it frightens me :ghostface:

So here's some stuff I have had to say a long time before. As far as I see where this is turning to, BB already said that has turned into a fascism. JP was also right by saying that it was a non-democracy. However, JP, the rest of your speech just seems like a load of bs to me. You know all the time I've had a conversation with yourself, it has been in a courteous and respectful way, and this won't be an exception. I do feel, however, that you have been standing on the "authority"'s side for too long. Your last posts in this section of the forum sound like those of a child trying (desperately) to be chosen as the "new mod". You do, however, say that we are allowed to leave if you want to or not (for example, the way you told that to MM). I do think that you are over your head there. Do you any idea of the contribution of MM to this forum and to the unliving-KLB? All he has done here is help people that need it. Comments such as You will be happier and so will we. Which part is hard to understand. are some of an ignorant person of what has happened here. A LOT of people wouldn't be happy if MM left. All his guides help people. I do remember the time when you came into Hardwareworld and asked some questions. The same way we were helping you there is the kind of help MM gives here (or at least did give). So please, refrain from the comments you say until you get facts straight :)

Moving on to other things, I hoped to find some change(s) regarding rules, anti-spam, or any other of the problems that happen over here. All I come to find is that another person was banned, and more topics were closed. Regarding the banned people (and mostly haxor), I have the need to say one of the reasons again, since most people still don't know: ALL of us that wore (or still wear) a KLT (KoolLite Tools) sig were asked to removed our links from the sig (after they told us to NOT post links, just point to our sigs :blink: ). Since some of us didn't remove the links, they were forcely removed by mods (or admins). After that, they changed the rules, which currently ARE just being enforced on us (the KLT "crew"). I'm talking about rule #4 4. It is not allowed to use this board to promote your own website or forum. You may however place a link to your personal (non-commercial) website in your signature, as long as it doesn't contain any illegal material or excessive advertising. You must however remove such a link when the moderation team decides that you can't use it in your signature. Links to forums (with similar subjects as FST) are not allowed, unless a moderator or administrator gives you explicit permission. This permission can be revoked at any time by the moderation team. .

There are a LOT of people who still have links (not just in their sigs, but in their posts as well) which point to FST-related sites (such as Bawa, nothing personal but the only one on top of my head). This is something YOU (mods and admins) should start enforcing fair and square, for the sake of FST and it's near future.

Third thing is about the topic about giving banned members a 2nd chance. Sorry but this is UNACCEPTABLE. First of all, the chances are given BEFORE a member is banned, and second of all, the ban should be definitive. This topic came right after Celery was banned, and I presume was just FOR his own unbanning. You guys are losing the GOOD members, however. For example, if you guys were smart enough, you would know that haxor could be one of the guys that could fix the "anti-spam problem". You need to stop waiting for the last admin to fix things. Learn some shit and get to work! :frusty:

About the last thing I would like to say would be regarding mods. I usually hold great respect for the mods in a forum since they are the ones that keep things without chaos. I do feel that some mods here don't deserve this respect. Why? Well, that would be because the mods are supposed to be people of trust with the admin(s), people that can enforce the rules when the admins can't. Since I don't hold high the admins in this forum (anymore), I don't think the current mods would be the adequate people to do modding jobs. Some mods still do the wise thing and stay out of the way, but some mods insist of getting inside the action and trying to act as the "pacifist". So please, and you know of WHO I'm talking about.... stay the f**k out and stop messing things more than they are.

I don't intend this post to change anything. I do however feel that I must express my opinion, at least in a time where this is still possible (although I know this could and probably WILL be closed in no-time).

Peace out
DWk

[GHOST 1337]

Originally posted by DWk@2 May 2004 - 04:13
Well I've been out for a couple of days cuz I've been busy in the "real world" :o :rolleyes:

Anyhow, I came back here to check on the topics that matter (ATM). So I come inside this section of the forum and see SO MANY closed topics it frightens me :ghostface:

So here's some stuff I have had to say a long time before. As far as I see where this is turning to, BB already said that has turned into a fascism. JP was also right by saying that it was a non-democracy. However, JP, the rest of your speech just seems like a load of bs to me. You know all the time I've had a conversation with yourself, it has been in a courteous and respectful way, and this won't be an exception. I do feel, however, that you have been standing on the "authority"'s side for too long. Your last posts in this section of the forum sound like those of a child trying (desperately) to be chosen as the "new mod". You do, however, say that we are allowed to leave if you want to or not (for example, the way you told that to MM). I do think that you are over your head there. Do you any idea of the contribution of MM to this forum and to the unliving-KLB? All he has done here is help people that need it. Comments such as You will be happier and so will we. Which part is hard to understand. are some of an ignorant person of what has happened here. A LOT of people wouldn't be happy if MM left. All his guides help people. I do remember the time when you came into Hardwareworld and asked some questions. The same way we were helping you there is the kind of help MM gives here (or at least did give). So please, refrain from the comments you say until you get facts straight :)

Moving on to other things, I hoped to find some change(s) regarding rules, anti-spam, or any other of the problems that happen over here. All I come to find is that another person was banned, and more topics were closed. Regarding the banned people (and mostly haxor), I have the need to say one of the reasons again, since most people still don't know: ALL of us that wore (or still wear) a KLT (KoolLite Tools) sig were asked to removed our links from the sig (after they told us to NOT post links, just point to our sigs :blink: ). Since some of us didn't remove the links, they were forcely removed by mods (or admins). After that, they changed the rules, which currently ARE just being enforced on us (the KLT "crew"). I'm talking about rule #4 4. It is not allowed to use this board to promote your own website or forum. You may however place a link to your personal (non-commercial) website in your signature, as long as it doesn't contain any illegal material or excessive advertising. You must however remove such a link when the moderation team decides that you can't use it in your signature. Links to forums (with similar subjects as FST) are not allowed, unless a moderator or administrator gives you explicit permission. This permission can be revoked at any time by the moderation team. .

There are a LOT of people who still have links (not just in their sigs, but in their posts as well) which point to FST-related sites (such as Bawa, nothing personal but the only one on top of my head). This is something YOU (mods and admins) should start enforcing fair and square, for the sake of FST and it's near future.

Third thing is about the topic about giving banned members a 2nd chance. Sorry but this is UNACCEPTABLE. First of all, the chances are given BEFORE a member is banned, and second of all, the ban should be definitive. This topic came right after Celery was banned, and I presume was just FOR his own unbanning. You guys are losing the GOOD members, however. For example, if you guys were smart enough, you would know that haxor could be one of the guys that could fix the "anti-spam problem". You need to stop waiting for the last admin to fix things. Learn some shit and get to work! :frusty:

About the last thing I would like to say would be regarding mods. I usually hold great respect for the mods in a forum since they are the ones that keep things without chaos. I do feel that some mods here don't deserve this respect. Why? Well, that would be because the mods are supposed to be people of trust with the admin(s), people that can enforce the rules when the admins can't. Since I don't hold high the admins in this forum (anymore), I don't think the current mods would be the adequate people to do modding jobs. Some mods still do the wise thing and stay out of the way, but some mods insist of getting inside the action and trying to act as the "pacifist". So please, and you know of WHO I'm talking about.... stay the f**k out and stop messing things more than they are.

I don't intend this post to change anything. I do however feel that I must express my opinion, at least in a time where this is still possible (although I know this could and probably WILL be closed in no-time).

Peace out
DWk
ok DWK, im gonna tell you whats gonna happen here.

J'Pol's going to come in here and post some smart ass comment like he always does, your going to get flamed by a few members, and the mods are going to say something stupid and try to defend themselves. And before you can reply to any of it, this topic will be closed, like all the others.

;) :)

[4th gen]

Generally when I see a post as long as the above, I either can't br arsed reading any of it or will skim it looking for pertinent facts/points. However, I read your entire post and all I can say is shut the fuck up. Stop your whining and piss off

[DWk]

Originally posted by 4th gen@1 May 2004 - 21:20
Generally when I see a post as long as the above, I either can't br arsed reading any of it or will skim it looking for pertinent facts/points. However, I read your entire post and all I can say is shut the fuck up. Stop your whining and piss off
Another breakthrough smart comment.

Clichè, anyone? ;)

[4th gen]

Originally posted by DWk+2 May 2004 - 03:32--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (DWk @ 2 May 2004 - 03:32)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-4th gen@1 May 2004 - 21:20
Generally when I see a post as long as the above, I either can't br arsed reading any of it or will skim it looking for pertinent facts/points. However, I read your entire post and all I can say is shut the fuck up. Stop your whining and piss off
Another breakthrough smart comment.

Clichè, anyone? ;) [/b][/quote]
Thanks. It took me literally seconds to think it up

[Rat Faced]

1st off..

After reading this post, I have to confess that you seem to contradict yourself in it a number of times... I also have to admit I just woke up and havent had a coffee yet, so that may just be me.


First of all, the chances are given BEFORE a member is banned, and second of all, the ban should be definitive. This topic came right after Celery was banned, and I presume was just FOR his own unbanning.

Are you actually For Haxors banning or not, as you appear to be saying he should be banned here; and yet the rest of the post implies he shouldnt be..

Can you actually write clearly what you think instead of the (and it is appreciated that this attempt was made) attempt at Diplomacy?


The only point that I did understand straight off:

Third thing is about the topic about giving banned members a 2nd chance. Sorry but this is UNACCEPTABLE. First of all, the chances are given BEFORE a member is banned, and second of all, the ban should be definitive. This topic came right after Celery was banned, and I presume was just FOR his own unbanning.

I dont agree with you.

Why shouldnt people be allowed to give their point of view in a constructive way? When i left yesterday, that thread hadnt turned into a flame war or pointless excercise, although I admit I have just woke up and havent checked the Team Room or the thread this morning yet...this may have changed.

The thread also quite clearly says "Bannings", this is not a singualr expression, but means more than one.

The Topic Title quite clearly says its about recent Bannings and does not mention any particular members... its therefore a general thread, not one devoted to Celery.


As to "Interfering Mods"....

I will continue to speak my mind, in matters that have not been discussed and agreed by the team. Although I do, and should, take collective responsibility for decisions that the Team have made, irrespective of whether I agree with them or not.

Beliee it or not, Im a member of this board too :angry:


Maybe i'll come back after my coffee, or maybe I'll not...as im 12 hours out of date in this soap, and things may have changed...in which case i just made a big fool of myself. ;)

[DWk]

Originally posted by Rat Faced@2 May 2004 - 07:17
1st off..

After reading this post, I have to confess that you seem to contradict yourself in it a number of times... I also have to admit I just woke up and havent had a coffee yet, so that may just be me.


First of all, the chances are given BEFORE a member is banned, and second of all, the ban should be definitive. This topic came right after Celery was banned, and I presume was just FOR his own unbanning.

Are you actually For Haxors banning or not, as you appear to be saying he should be banned here; and yet the rest of the post implies he shouldnt be..

Can you actually write clearly what you think instead of the (and it is appreciated that this attempt was made) attempt at Diplomacy?


The only point that I did understand straight off:

Third thing is about the topic about giving banned members a 2nd chance. Sorry but this is UNACCEPTABLE. First of all, the chances are given BEFORE a member is banned, and second of all, the ban should be definitive. This topic came right after Celery was banned, and I presume was just FOR his own unbanning.

I dont agree with you.

Why shouldnt people be allowed to give their point of view in a constructive way? When i left yesterday, that thread hadnt turned into a flame war or pointless excercise, although I admit I have just woke up and havent checked the Team Room or the thread this morning yet...this may have changed.

The thread also quite clearly says "Bannings", this is not a singualr expression, but means more than one.

The Topic Title quite clearly says its about recent Bannings and does not mention any particular members... its therefore a general thread, not one devoted to Celery.


As to "Interfering Mods"....

I will continue to speak my mind, in matters that have not been discussed and agreed by the team. Although I do, and should, take collective responsibility for decisions that the Team have made, irrespective of whether I agree with them or not.

Beliee it or not, Im a member of this board too :angry:


Maybe i'll come back after my coffee, or maybe I'll not...as im 12 hours out of date in this soap, and things may have changed...in which case i just made a big fool of myself. ;)
Heh. Ok then. Before I elucidate my post for you, I have to say one thing:

YOU aren't one of the interfering mods. There are just two mods here (one is you), that is fair and square, trying to give opportunities to people that deserve them. I won't mention about the other one since it's too early. Just remember, there are a LOT of people that stand by your side when it comes to the "team" stuff :smilie4:

As for haxor's ban: NO I think his banning was unfair. I do, however, think that he shouldn't be unbanned because it would make the team look weak and malleable by "a few" (although there are a lot of people, not just few).

His unbanning would solve nothing since the problem would still persist (the rules were changed, we would still be f***ed :) )

Why shouldnt people be allowed to give their point of view in a constructive way?

Never said they couldn't. However, every topic that refers to the current situation of certain members or the rules, is being closed (and I fear that this will too). You say people should be allowed to give their point in a constructive way.... well did you read what 4th gen said in this topic? This is were the mods should step in and regulate expressions such as "shut the f**k off" and let the topic continue in a constructive way.

Lates

BTW, if I wanted for the team to unban haxor, I would have a "free haxor" sig.... but I would be banned already tho :smilie4:

[J'Pol]

Let me make this perfectly clear, I post what I believe. If I disagree with decisions I will say so. If I agree with them I will say so. Those who have been here for a while can confirm this.

I would not be a mod here under any circumstances. It is of absolutely no interest to me. I genuinely cannot think why people are willing to do it, far less want to do it. I can think of no better way to spoil my fun.

To describe the way this board is run as fascism is an insult to those who have suffered under fascist regimes.

[Rat Faced]

YOU aren't one of the interfering mods. There are just two mods here (one is you), that is fair and square, trying to give opportunities to people that deserve them.

There are 2 that have spoke out on the board maybe, although i think more than that have, to a greater or lesser extent.

There are certainly more than 2 that have spoke out in Team Chat, and no I wont say who.. it is for them to decide their position and whether to make it public.

There are other Mods that have not commented one way or another, and that is also their right. They may well be thinking things through and looking through the evidence before expressing themselves, or maybe have not been here since this all started.


What made me speak out was that the Team was getting slagged off for something the Team has not been a party too, this is unfair.

BOT, in particualr has taken a lot of crap he doesnt deserve.

Thanks for clearing your points up, I understand them now, even if i dont personally support tem all ;)


Peace

Paul

[MagicNakor]

Quite frankly, I'm getting sick and tired of being accused of being unfair, and dishonest, unhonourable, a power-hungry child, and wound too tightly. I've been lambasted for posting a "dissenting" opinion before, but to hell with it.

I have always followed the "guidelines" that are supposed to regulate moderation and warning and bannings and the like. I can't, and I won't, speak for others who do not follow these guidelines, because it's not to me to try to justify their actions.

Warnings / Ban Requests
1st Warning: offense good talk or warning by pm
2nd Wanring: 1 day moderation
3rd Warning: 1 week moderation
4th Warning: 2 weeks moderation
5th Warning: Post a ban request

I generally do not get past step 1. I've got a personal "step" before that, which is basically just another PM asking what's going on, or explaining the problem, depending on the person. If it's something out-of-character for (what I know of) them, I'll ask what's going on. Eight "official" PMs I've sent out, most of which deal with sig/avatar sizes. I've only had to place one person under moderation, and I believe it was for three days. While three days isn't on that little chart, it was, I felt, an appropriate amount of time. How power-hungry of me. How tightly-wound I am.

I also don't feel that any of the bans (since I've been a mod) have really been appropriate. And I've said as much in the mod-board. I've also asked numerous times about the removal of anti-spam, but I've gotten nothing but silence. Granted, 7th put it in and he's stateside. I find it difficult to believe that whatever motel 7th is staying at doesn't have internet access, when the one around by me does. For those of you who don't know, I live in the mountains, in a rural area, in a village. That's its designation; it's not big enough to be called a town, or a municipality.

The entire whole of the mods weren't consulted about haxor and celery's banning. I found out about it through one of ad's posts. I certainly don't support them. But I suppose that's me being unfair again.

I'm also fairly sure that I haven't been abusive of any "mod powers." But maybe that's because I'm dishonest, and everything I've said here is a fabrication.

But I do bet I get lambasted again. Odds are 2:1, so place 'em now.

:ninja:

[Chevy]

Originally posted by MagicNakor@3 May 2004 - 01:07
I've been lambasted for posting a "dissenting" opinion before, but to hell with it.

:lol: just google image searched what lambast meant

http://194.204.30.64/sakala/failid/165/051102lamms.jpg


Also, I think it's clear that the mods are not to blame for the bannings or the antispam :)

[MagicNakor]

Poor sheep. :( He's got some sort of infection.

Lambast is to censure severely or angrily. ;)

:ninja:

[Chevy]

Originally posted by MagicNakor@3 May 2004 - 02:51
Poor sheep. :( He's got some sort of infection.

Lambast is to censure severely or angrily. ;)

I was gonna phone the RSPCA :ph34r:

- until I realised you are not in the UK :lol:




:P

[DWk]

MN, I have never pointed any fingers. I do however feel that, given the circumstances, even though you are different people, there should be a general agreement between the team, since it really comes up to THE TEAM for someone to be banned or not (AFAIK, this has to be discussed in team chat, therefore all, or at least most, of the teams participates and gives his/her opinion).

From your comment regarding Marc and his absence, I think 'tis the time to make a decision and get on one side. On one side, there's Marc and the rest of "absentee landlords", which quite frankly don't seem to have any interest whatsoever for even FST (not KLB). The other side, is us. All we wanted from the start is for the team/the rules to be fair and square with EVERYONE. We still do, although some of the mods don't act like trying to solve anything.

This is what pisses me off. The un-interest for FST.

This thread has nothing to do with the anti-spam feature or even with the people that were banned, but simply with the fact that we few (not just few....) want something better for this.

If we want to change something, we need to DO SOMETHING. Even though I don't want to sound in a "bushist" way, I think it comes up to whether you are on this or that side. You want change or you agree for this nonsense to continue.

I love FST (KLB, more like it), it's one of the reasons I love the net so much. Losing something so great for such a dumb thing is something I don't want to.

:)

[Busyman]

The only thing that I find weird is what is called modding style.

Follow the damn rules as a mod and then have fun.

If someone is breaking the rules call them on it.
What happens most of the time is one person is picked on for something that happens all the time.

(hinthint talking about me) :lol: :lol:

That's the only problem I've had with any mod.

However, it's still not that big of a deal that we need to make endless posts about this. (like I just did <_< )

Different mods treat situations differently and it ain't always "fair". Leave it at that.
Stop thinking of them as all fair and knowing. They are not.

We don't know how they were picked. It's obvious it wasn't a complex algorithm.

Post about some movies or music and SHUT THE FUCK UP!!!

Please close this shit!!! Like the other ones. <_<

[Virtualbody1234]

Originally posted by DWk@2 May 2004 - 21:33
MN, I have never pointed any fingers. I do however feel that, given the circumstances, even though you are different people, there should be a general agreement between the team, since it really comes up to THE TEAM for someone to be banned or not (AFAIK, this has to be discussed in team chat, therefore all, or at least most, of the teams participates and gives his/her opinion).


@DWk, you still don't get it. We had no say whatsoever about Haxor or Celery's banning. The admin just went ahead and did that without mentioning it in team chat. How are we supposed to prevent that? We can discuss it until we are blue in the face but that doesn't prevent it.

[DWk]

Busyman... I've never liked you and don't think I ever will.

So, whenever you tell me to stfu, KNOW what you're actually saying. This isn't Movie or Musicworld, it got with everything related TO this board. Your post would be considered spam ;), so please zip it and take 5 :frusty:


VB.... as I JUST said in my previous post, I said that this thread had NOTHING to do with the people banned (being whoever that would be). So you say you guys didn't have a say with their bans? Assuming you usually DO have a say when it comes to bans, why is this time different? Taking it that you guys always say that you are members as well (not just "mods"), then why don't you take action with this?

I would step down as a mod if it were me. I would not consider myself cheap enough to ban someone without a reason, or at least be the scapegoat (no offense) of an admin that doesn't give reasons for his doings. This, my friend, is a no-no.

[I.am]

DWk, Dont put mods in a situation that will make them more uncomfortable than they are already in. :)

The actions are clear and the mods had nothing to do with it...

IMHO Making two sides wont solve a problem either...only complex the situation in this case.

-
I.am

[Virtualbody1234]

So you say you guys didn't have a say with their bans? Assuming you usually DO have a say when it comes to bans, why is this time different?
As I already said, the admin just went ahead and did it without posting a thing.

then why don't you take action with this?
We are discussing it in chat as we speak.

I would step down as a mod if it were me. I would not consider myself cheap enough to ban someone without a reason, or at least be the scapegoat (no offense) of an admin that doesn't give reasons for his doings. This, my friend, is a no-no.

About the "stepping down"... I'm pretty upset by this matter. I will see how things turn out before making any decisions about it at this stage.

He has given reasons, after the fact, but that still doesn't change the fact that we didn't have a say in the matter.

[EDSF]

Originally posted by Virtualbody1234@3 May 2004 - 04:07
How are we supposed to prevent that?
I imagine replacing the admins hasn't crossed your mind? :huh:



There are soo many options open to people who genuinely care. You might not need to resort to Hoffa style tactics but it wouldn't hurt to take an interest in some of the methods and successes demonstrated by various trade labour movements in the past.

I don't think you'll get far without anchoring your members support for you very firmly at the beginning though.

As many administrators have learned the hard way, both labour and management, an unsupported authority is very easily replaced.

A poll and follow up discussions are usually nice touches to begin with when you want to show a group you're listening.

Just make sure you're sincere in your resolve and prepared to act on the outcome. ;)


Of course if you don't care, a typically smartass and flippant remark here wouldn't be unexpected either.

[Busyman]

Originally posted by DWk+3 May 2004 - 00:16--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (DWk @ 3 May 2004 - 00:16)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Busyman... I've never liked you and don't think I ever will.

[/b]
Join the club. <_< ....and do KNOW I said STFU. Mmmmk thanks :D .

<!--QuoteBegin-Dick I mean DWk
So, whenever you tell me to stfu, KNOW what you're actually saying. This isn't Movie or Musicworld, it got with everything related TO this board. Your post would be considered* spam ;), so please zip it and take 5 :frusty: [/quote]

Well your post is nothing new. Some of the mods have said they had nothing to do with the recent bannings and you are still talking shit.

Even if they did admit to it then what.

What you don't get is if me or you got banned it would be like we were kidnapped and there were no police to investigate.

Eventually if the members think it bad enough they will leave en masse.

Some of these bannings are a surprise to me too.

[Virtualbody1234]

Originally posted by EDSF+2 May 2004 - 22:25--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (EDSF @ 2 May 2004 - 22:25)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Virtualbody1234@3 May 2004 - 04:07
How are we supposed to prevent that?
I imagine replacing the admins hasn't crossed your mind? :huh:



There are soo many options open to people who genuinely care. You might not need to resort to Hoffa style tactics but it wouldn't hurt to take an interest in some of the methods and successes demonstrated by various trade labour movements in the past.

I don't think you'll get far without anchoring your members support for you very firmly at the beginning though.

As many administrators have learned the hard way, both labour and management, an unsupported authority is very easily replaced.

A poll and follow up discussions are usually nice touches to begin with when you want to show a group you're listening.

Just make sure you're sincere in your resolve and prepared to act on the outcome. ;)


Of course if you don't care, a typically smartass and flippant remark here wouldn't be unexpected either. [/b][/quote]
Thanks for you input, b*.

But for now, I think I'll let things be. I don't see it serious enough to go to that length at this point.

[atiVidia]

@ vb, i know u didnt have any say... which is why i suggest using rookie crd 1 to remove error as i believe he is responsible for whats going on here.

2: i cant believe i missed this thread.

3: nakor u didnt convey a single thing with ur post

4: lamsey should be made admin

5: im tired :P

6: dwk how long did it take u to type all dat owt?

7: why is it that the mods are dodging every important question we have?

8: why was h4x0r banned? i will ask this again every time a mod or admon gives me an inconclusive answer. id like to know the EXACT details. dont say its not my business cuz it very much is. it is the right of everyone on this forum to know why a member was banned. we all know why dean was banned. we know why cely was banned (be practically forced the admins to ban him :P) but why h4x0r?

again, i will check by and if the answer is inconclusive i will ask again...

[Busyman]

Originally posted by atiVidia@3 May 2004 - 00:31
@ vb, i know u didnt have any say... which is why i suggest using rookie crd 1 to remove error as i believe he is responsible for whats going on here.

2: i cant believe i missed this thread.

3: nakor u didnt convey a single thing with ur post

4: lamsey should be made admin

5: im tired :P

6: dwk how long did it take u to type all dat owt?

7: why is it that the mods are dodging every important question we have?

8: why was h4x0r banned? i will ask this again every time a mod or admon gives me an inconclusive answer. id like to know the EXACT details. dont say its not my business cuz it very much is. it is the right of everyone on this forum to know why a member was banned. we all know why dean was banned. we know why cely was banned (be practically forced the admins to ban him :P) but why h4x0r?

again, i will check by and if the answer is inconclusive i will ask again...
I think Haxor made accounts titled something like FuckFST OR rookiesuckdick or something.

I don't think he posted with those accounts though.

[MagicNakor]

Heh.

If you believe that my previous post isn't "taking sides," or not conveying anything so be it. It's not written ambiguously. Read it again, if you wish.

A general agreement is usually made. But a general agreement doesn't mean that everyone agrees on what's being done. It means that the majority agress on what's being done.

Why is this time regarding bannings different? Hell if I know.

Much of what I've thought about the current issues isn't public. Or not posted at all. I don't believe that I need to publicly contribute to the ill-will that's permeating the board. As I said, I've been checked before for doing so a number of times (although not all from here). The only reason I posted in the first place was because I'm sick of being a scapegoat simply because I've got some blue stars.

As for quitting being a mod? I've considered it. It's still up in the air.

:ninja:

[DWk]

Originally posted by MagicNakor@2 May 2004 - 21:35
The only reason I posted in the first place was because I'm sick of being a scapegoat simply because I've got some blue stars.
My point precisely :)

[MagicNakor]

It's not the first time I've posted about this. Far, far from it. ;)

It's the first time I've posted in this particular section about it.

:ninja:

[DWk]

Yeps, I know that. Although I posted this HERE and not somewhere else (ie, the spam-lounge), for it to actually GET somewhere. :)

I be back in 10.

[EDSF]

Originally posted by Virtualbody1234@3 May 2004 - 04:30
I don't see it serious enough to go to that length at this point.
Then you should really step back and take another look. :)

It's been that serious for quite some time.

What do the current admins offer that keeps everyone so contented to "eat shit" on a daily basis? Ads? Bad attitudes? Posturing, bullshit, and promises?



You obviously have no way of knowing all the details that led to the current state of misadministration. And I may have had too much access to those details :lol:

Let's just say the options for this forum are in no way limited. Some of the offers made probably still stand and even if they don't, quality hosting for this board could be secured within 5 days tops!

Leave the crap logo right where it is and take the members and spirit of this forum and move on.
It's not inconcievable that you might even be able to secure a copy of the database to restart with. Even if it's only used as a read only archive.

Now I suppose I've just become an unfriendly account to someone and the usual kneejerk reaction will follow.......


Give it some thought though. ;)

[Chevy]

The thread from the other guy who hadn't read back at all was deleted. This one is useless. Read back DWK!!!


It's not a "mod" thing that caused all this and the antispam is detested by members and mod's alike. The mods also are actually talking about all this to sort it out and appear to have the same opinion as the members. One admin has banned the members (and that can be deducted) in the heat of the moment. It is being debated - but not here although the mods have made their opinions clear on the process. Why would they step down: they are here for the good of the place and if they go it get's a bigger problem.

Let them off the hook and move on :01:

btw: is my sig better now or worse?

[DWk]

Originally posted by Chevy@2 May 2004 - 21:50
The thread from the other guy who hadn't read back at all was deleted. This one is useless. Read back DWK!!!
It still hasn't been closed, so I presume it still hasn't been spammed by certain individuals :rolleyes:

[Chevy]

Originally posted by DWk+3 May 2004 - 04:56--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (DWk @ 3 May 2004 - 04:56)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin-Chevy@2 May 2004 - 21:50
The thread from the other guy who hadn't read back at all was deleted. This one is useless. Read back DWK!!!
It still hasn't been closed, so I presume it still hasn't been spammed by certain individuals :rolleyes:[/b][/quote]
Rookiecrd made a topic but it was deleted after it was realised he didn't know the situation through not reading back :rolleyes:

[atiVidia]

why was h4x0r banned?

im still lacking an answer.


nakor i couldnt make out anything better then a pile of BULL SH_T in all of your posts. u mind clarifying? what is this about not revealing why u banned someone? did h4x0r make u get emotional? anything personal? did u request the ban? seems like u siipped the 1 and 2 week moderation periods son ;)

[Chevy]

Originally posted by atiVidia@3 May 2004 - 05:01
why was h4x0r banned?

im still lacking an answer.


nakor i couldnt make out anything better then a pile of BULL SH_T in all of your posts. u mind clarifying? what is this about not revealing why u banned someone? did h4x0r make u get emotional? anything personal? did u request the ban? seems like u siipped the 1 and 2 week moderation periods son ;)
only admin's can ban someone and MN has made it clear where he stands on it.

It has been said time and time again that haxor was banned without conultation from the staff by an obvious certain person although that was in the heat of the moment and it is getting sorted out.

I joined this forum and was intrieged by all the drastic topics etc.., but when people post without reading what's already beeen said it just feels dumb

[I.am]

atiVidia, you obviously havent read and made sense of any of the post by any of the mods :lol:

Bottom Line:

Error banned him without consulting any mods!

So why go after fellow members/mods when they had nothing to do in the situation...I am sure they are doing what they can in the team chat...why stir up shit against the few good one's we have. ;)

[DWk]

Originally posted by Chevy+2 May 2004 - 22:08--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Chevy @ 2 May 2004 - 22:08)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-atiVidia@3 May 2004 - 05:01
why was h4x0r banned?

im still lacking an answer.


nakor i couldnt make out anything better then a pile of BULL SH_T in all of your posts. u mind clarifying? what is this about not revealing why u banned someone? did h4x0r make u get emotional? anything personal? did u request the ban? seems like u siipped the 1 and 2 week moderation periods son ;)
only admin's can ban someone and MN has made it clear where he stands on it.

It has been said time and time again that haxor was banned without conultation from the staff by an obvious certain person although that was in the heat of the moment and it is getting sorted out.

I joined this forum and was excited by all the drama etc.., but when people post without reading what's already beeen said it just feels dumb [/b][/quote]
You haven't been here enough ;)

[atiVidia]

Originally posted by Chevy+3 May 2004 - 00:08--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Chevy @ 3 May 2004 - 00:08)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin-atiVidia@3 May 2004 - 05:01
why was h4x0r banned?

im still lacking an answer.


nakor i couldnt make out anything better then a pile of [b]BULL SH_T in all of your posts. u mind clarifying? what is this about not revealing why u banned someone? did h4x0r make u get emotional? anything personal? did u request the ban? seems like u siipped the 1 and 2 week moderation periods son ;)
only admin's can ban someone and MN has made it clear where he stands on it.

It has been said time and time again that haxor was banned without conultation from the staff by an obvious certain person although that was in the heat of the moment and it is getting sorted out.

I joined this forum and was excited by all the drama etc.., but when people post without reading what's already beeen said it just feels dumb[/quote]
read my post again chevs... ;)

[Chevy]

Originally posted by atiVidia+3 May 2004 - 05:09--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (atiVidia @ 3 May 2004 - 05:09)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by Chevy@3 May 2004 - 00:08
<!--QuoteBegin-atiVidia@3 May 2004 - 05:01
why was h4x0r banned?

im still lacking an answer.


nakor i couldnt make out anything better then a pile of [b]BULL SH_T in all of your posts. u mind clarifying? what is this about not revealing why u banned someone? did h4x0r make u get emotional? anything personal? did u request the ban? seems like u siipped the 1 and 2 week moderation periods son ;)
only admin's can ban someone and MN has made it clear where he stands on it.

It has been said time and time again that haxor was banned without conultation from the staff by an obvious certain person although that was in the heat of the moment and it is getting sorted out.

I joined this forum and was excited by all the drama etc.., but when people post without reading what's already beeen said it just feels dumb
read my post again chevs... ;) [/quote]
You addressed it to MN and I responded accordingly in that it was not a "mod" decision.

@DWK - I have been around during this and read the posts back liek you obviously havn't

[DWk]

"This" started MONTHS ago, so please stop posting nonsense or this thread will get closed and I will be forced to start another ;)

[atiVidia]

Originally posted by Chevy+3 May 2004 - 00:12--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Chevy @ 3 May 2004 - 00:12)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by atiVidia@3 May 2004 - 05:09
Originally posted by Chevy@3 May 2004 - 00:08
<!--QuoteBegin-atiVidia@3 May 2004 - 05:01
why was h4x0r banned?

im still lacking an answer.


nakor i couldnt make out anything better then a pile of [b]BULL SH_T in all of your posts. u mind clarifying? what is this about not revealing why u banned someone? did h4x0r make u get emotional? anything personal? did u request the ban? seems like u siipped the 1 and 2 week moderation periods son ;)
only admin's can ban someone and MN has made it clear where he stands on it.

It has been said time and time again that haxor was banned without conultation from the staff by an obvious certain person although that was in the heat of the moment and it is getting sorted out.

I joined this forum and was excited by all the drama etc.., but when people post without reading what's already beeen said it just feels dumb
read my post again chevs... ;)
You addressed it to MN and I responded accordingly in that it was not a "mod" decision.

@DWK - I have been around during this and read the posts back liek you obviously havn't [/quote]
ok flaming aside: error did the ban as he was here longer than the rest of us. whatever u (or nakor) says, i think 1( if not many) mod(s) were involved.

[Chevy]

Originally posted by DWk@3 May 2004 - 05:16
"This" started MONTHS ago, so please stop posting nonsense or this thread will get closed and I will be forced to start another ;)
I havn't read back that much so if I have missing something I am sorry.

My point was that, from what I have had chance to read back on (and only now posted), that all the complaints I have seen have been the bannings and the anti-spam: both issues are not down to the mods at all and they seem to agree with the general consensus of the members.

Bannings -: is getting sorted out in "talk".

Anti-spam - Will get sorted out if the old admin returns.

Any other issues I am not aware of I offer "no comment"



speak to "error" for bannings, and "7th" for anti-spam :)

(how many times do the mods have to say "I agree" for you to see they agree)

[MagicNakor]

Try reading again atiVidia.

Firstly, I can't ban anyone, so I haven't banned anyone. Secondly, I don't really even know who haxor is, as he frequented areas of the board that I don't. Thirdly, I don't feel that any of the bans that have been implemented during my time as a mod here are appropriate.

Talk about knee-jerk reactions.

:ninja:

[EDSF]

Originally posted by I.am@3 May 2004 - 05:08
Error banned him without consulting any mods!

So why go after fellow members/mods when they had nothing to do in the situation...I am sure they are doing what they can in the team chat...why stir up shit against the few good one's we have.* ;)
They may be discussing it but error doesn't give a shit what they come up with.
He doesn't discuss things with minions and never did.

He doesn't have what it takes to be an admin and he can't stay out of moderating the board so this will continue as long as he thinks this is his board, a throwback to when kazaa lite was strong.

Is his codec pack worth the price of his continued arrogance and spite?

Maybe his permissions shuold be rolled back a bit to include just the development forum since he really isn't an admin anyway. Or split him and his development forum to some other location and board altogether.

It isn't hard to do, just export the tables form that forum into a new board and plunk his ass down there instead. :)



Edit by RF:

Like you dont identify yourself?
Why dont you let everyone know who your better known as?
Maybe people will then read the post in that light?
Posting that, just makes it certain that people shouldnt trust you... I wish your employers could read how you treat sensitive information that you receive in confidence.

[DWk]

:o Lol.

EDIT - Bleh hit the reply button before posting. - Chevy: this problem extends far from any recent bans or the anti-spam feature ;)

[Chevy]

Originally posted by DWk@3 May 2004 - 05:44
:o Lol.

EDIT - Bleh hit the reply button before posting. - Chevy: this problem extends far from any recent bans or the anti-spam feature ;)
Like I said "I'm sorry if I missed a point on here" but I only see you talking about antispam and the bannings of Cely and Haxor. I have read back on this this weekend and that is all I am talking about (as it seems you are).

If there are deeper levels to this I would be grateful if you could link me because I have read back so much (e.g. "gep") and enough is enough.

[DWk]

Originally posted by DWk@2 May 2004 - 21:16
VB.... as I JUST said in my previous post, I said that this thread had NOTHING to do with the people banned (being whoever that would be).
:blink:

C'mon now..... you said you read a lot. BTW, for you to understand this problems you have to have been here. This ain't something that was posted, but something that HAPPENED.

[Chevy]

Originally posted by DWk+3 May 2004 - 05:58--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (DWk @ 3 May 2004 - 05:58)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin-DWk@2 May 2004 - 21:16
VB.... as I JUST said in my previous post, I said that this thread had NOTHING to do with the people banned (being whoever that would be).
:blink:

C'mon now..... you said you read a lot. BTW, for you to understand this problems you have to have been here. This ain't something that was posted, but something that HAPPENED.[/b][/quote]
I guess you meant to quote me.


I have been a member of other forums for a long time and understand your feelings .

My point was "how many times do the mods have to say "I agree" for you to see they do.

[DWk]

Chevy, no, I didn't mean to quote you, I quoted exactly what I said before....

I haven't seen more than 4 mods agree with what I'm talking about. I hope you do realize that there are 11 mods here, plus 3 admins (or rightfuly said, 2 admins and 1 co-admin). You're missing the big picture here, since your knowledge regarding this case is very limited.

EDIT - I'm out for the night, I come back tomorrow B)

[Chevy]

Originally posted by DWk@3 May 2004 - 06:06
Chevy, no, I didn't mean to quote you, I quoted exactly what I said before....

I haven't seen more than 4 mods agree with what I'm talking about. I hope you do realize that there are 11 mods here, plus 3 admins (or rightfuly said, 2 admins and 1 co-admin). You're missing the big picture here, since your knowledge regarding this case is very limited.
That doesn't make sence (your reply to the post you made).

4 out of 11 (some not been online, some not wating to comment yet, some feeling out of their depth) I think you have the consensus ;)

It was that your initial post was asking questions that had been answered so many times

:frusty:


I may be new but I read back before responding to any of this and as stated the arguaments are the one's I have adressed and read back.

If you have a problem outside;bannings, antispam, the arcade, the pronworld, etc...

[Busyman]

Originally posted by Chevy@3 May 2004 - 00:50
The thread from the other guy who hadn't read back at all was deleted. This one is useless. Read back DWK!!!


It's not a "mod" thing that caused all this and the antispam is detested by members and mod's alike. The mods also are actually talking about all this to sort it out and appear to have the same opinion as the members. One admin has banned the members (and that can be deducted) in the heat of the moment. It is being debated - but not here although the mods have made their opinions clear on the process. Why would they step down: they are here for the good of the place and if they go it get's a bigger problem.

Let them off the hook and move on :01:

btw: is my sig better now or worse?
Well said Fletch.

[Chevy]

Originally posted by Busyman+3 May 2004 - 06:23--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Busyman @ 3 May 2004 - 06:23)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin-Chevy@3 May 2004 - 00:50
The thread from the other guy who hadn't read back at all was deleted. This one is useless. Read back DWK!!!


It's not a "mod" thing that caused all this and the antispam is detested by members and mod's alike. The mods also are actually talking about all this to sort it out and appear to have the same opinion as the members. One admin has banned the members (and that can be deducted) in the heat of the moment. It is being debated&nbsp; - but not here although the mods have made their opinions clear on the process. Why would they step down: they are here for the good of the place and if they go it get's a bigger problem.

Let them off the hook and move on&nbsp; :01:

btw: is my sig better now or worse?
Well said Fletch.[/b][/quote]
did you mean my sig is better now that I "have to spell it out" or better b4?


and yes - in 2006 I will be posting in the "best trilogy" topic that fletch 1-3 are teh greatest :D

[Busyman]

Originally posted by Chevy+3 May 2004 - 02:43--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Chevy @ 3 May 2004 - 02:43)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by Busyman@3 May 2004 - 06:23
<!--QuoteBegin-Chevy@3 May 2004 - 00:50
The thread from the other guy who hadn't read back at all was deleted. This one is useless. Read back DWK!!!


It's not a "mod" thing that caused all this and the antispam is detested by members and mod's alike. The mods also are actually talking about all this to sort it out and appear to have the same opinion as the members. One admin has banned the members (and that can be deducted) in the heat of the moment. It is being debated* - but not here although the mods have made their opinions clear on the process. Why would they step down: they are here for the good of the place and if they go it get's a bigger problem.

Let them off the hook and move on* :01:

btw: is my sig better now or worse?
Well said Fletch.
did you mean my sig is better now that I "have to spell it out" or better b4?


and yes - in 2006 I will be posting in the "best trilogy" topic that fletch 1-3 are teh greatest :D [/b][/quote]
It won't be a trilogy

It's a duology and prequel.

[Chevy]

Originally posted by Busyman+3 May 2004 - 06:49--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Busyman @ 3 May 2004 - 06:49)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by Chevy@3 May 2004 - 02:43
<!--QuoteBegin-Busyman@3 May 2004 - 06:23

Well said Fletch.
did you mean my sig is better now that I "have to spell it out" or better b4?


and yes - in 2006 I will be posting in the "best trilogy" topic that fletch 1-3 are teh greatest :D
It won't be a trilogy

It's a duology and prequel.[/b][/quote]
Not sure what makes a "trilogy other than 3 sucessive movies about the same characer " but it will be a 3 part film and although the third was a prelude - so was godfather 2 :P




Chevy not in this one though :(

[Cheese]

Originally posted by Chevy+3 May 2004 - 06:06--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Chevy @ 3 May 2004 - 06:06)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by Busyman@3 May 2004 - 06:49
Originally posted by Chevy@3 May 2004 - 02:43
<!--QuoteBegin-Busyman@3 May 2004 - 06:23

Well said Fletch.
did you mean my sig is better now that I "have to spell it out" or better b4?


and yes - in 2006 I will be posting in the "best trilogy" topic that fletch 1-3 are teh greatest :D
It won't be a trilogy

It's a duology and prequel.
Not sure what makes a "trilogy other than 3 sucessive movies about the same characer " but it will be a 3 part film and although the third was a prelude - so was godfather 2 :P




Chevy not in this one though :( [/b][/quote]
I'm sure they'll try and get some sort of lame cameo appearance from him. ;)

I haven't seen more than 4 mods agree with what I'm talking about. I hope you do realize that there are 11 mods here, plus 3 admins (or rightfuly said, 2 admins and 1 co-admin). You're missing the big picture here, since your knowledge regarding this case is very limited.

You can't seriously expect all the mods to respond to your topic can you?

And I think it has to be said that Chevy lacking prior knowledge of what has gone on here does have something else going for him and that is neutrality, he is looking at things with an unbiased eye.

Your 'lot' have a problem with this board at the moment and nothing anyone can say is going to do anything about that. The mods can talk to you until they're blue in the face but I suspect unless they lay down and give you guys access to the admin panel you are never going to be happy.

When all the dust settles from these recent bannings I think you and others should have a think about whether you really should and want to remain part of a community that is so seemingly failing you in so many ways. If I, myself, was so unhappy with the way things were going I'd have left a long time ago.

It's an old argument I know but there are a huge range of forums out there that cater to many, many different tastes. Though I suspect you won't have to look too far...

[atiVidia]

Originally posted by MagicNakor+3 May 2004 - 00:25--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (MagicNakor @ 3 May 2004 - 00:25)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Try reading again atiVidia.

Firstly, I can't ban anyone, so I haven't banned anyone. Secondly, I don't really even know who haxor is, as he frequented areas of the board that I don't. Thirdly, I don't feel that any of the bans that have been implemented during my time as a mod here are appropriate.

Talk about knee-jerk reactions.

:ninja: [/b]
oh god damnit can ANYONE READ!!????

in my post i sed REQUEST A BAN not THROW THEM OUT god damnit no one in this friggin place can read can they??? :

<!--QuoteBegin-atiVidia@3 May 2004 - 00:01
why was h4x0r banned?

im still lacking an answer.


nakor i couldnt make out anything better then a pile of BULL SH_T in all of your posts. u mind clarifying? what is this about not revealing why u banned someone? did h4x0r make u get emotional? anything personal? did u request the ban? seems like u siipped the 1 and 2 week moderation periods son ;)[/quote]

[MagicNakor]

Why would I request a ban on someone I don't know? How could I have skipped any moderation on a decision that wasn't even made by me? How could I not reveal the reasons on banning someone when I can't ban anyone in the first place?

And I've likely got quite a number of years on you, atiVidia, so I doubt very much I'd be your son's age.

:ninja:

[ITouchMyself]

SO is there an update on the actual negotiations of our banned members??

Have the admins and mods had their nice cup of tea and come to an agreement or is this likely to be dragged out through the courts??

Just wondering, seeing this is all everyone talks about lately :D

Thanks
Brenda...

[DanB]

Originally posted by ITouchMyself@3 May 2004 - 14:31
SO is there an update on the actual negotiations of our banned members??

Have the admins and mods had their nice cup of tea and come to an agreement or is this likely to be dragged out through the courts??

Just wondering, seeing this is all everyone talks about lately :D

Thanks
Brenda...
What happened to Brenda Brenda? :blink: :blink:

[ITouchMyself]

Well if u replied to my pm's then you would of found out i was in a lesbian relationship with a girl called brenda aswell

so thats why my nickname was brenda_brenda but seeing we have broken up im now going solo so i though this is the most appropriate name

but enough about me and back on topic

Thanks
Brenda...

[DanB]

Ah well I guess that makes sense :rolleyes:


I think they are still having deliberating the verdicts btw :)

[atiVidia]

Originally posted by MagicNakor@3 May 2004 - 08:12
And I've likely got quite a number of years on you, atiVidia, so I doubt very much I'd be your son's age.

:ninja:
rofl i never said that.

i got my answer so im gonna stop my BSing. sorry for teh crap i said to u nakor :)

hope u accept my apology...

[thewizeard]

Originally posted by EDSF@3 May 2004 - 05:27
Edited by nigel123

====================================================

Also edited by nigel123&nbsp; :(

====================================================
Why dont you just grow up, and get over all your past problems with the board and move on.

[Rat Faced]

Originally posted by EDSF+3 May 2004 - 05:27--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (EDSF @ 3 May 2004 - 05:27)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-I.am@3 May 2004 - 05:08
Error banned him without consulting any mods!

So why go after fellow members/mods when they had nothing to do in the situation...I am sure they are doing what they can in the team chat...why stir up shit against the few good one's we have.* ;)
They may be discussing it but error doesn't give a shit what they come up with.
He doesn't discuss things with minions and never did.

He doesn't have what it takes to be an admin and he can't stay out of moderating the board so this will continue as long as he thinks this is his board, a throwback to when kazaa lite was strong.

Is his codec pack worth the price of his continued arrogance and spite?

Maybe his permissions shuold be rolled back a bit to include just the development forum since he really isn't an admin anyway. Or split him and his development forum to some other location and board altogether.

It isn't hard to do, just export the tables form that forum into a new board and plunk his ass down there instead. :)



Edit by RF:

Like you dont identify yourself?
Why dont you let everyone know who your better known as?
Maybe people will then read the post in that light?
Posting that, just makes it certain that people shouldnt trust you... I wish your employers could read how you treat sensitive information that you receive in confidence. [/b][/quote]
I quoted this, as I have no doubt the member will re-edit his post again.

If he does this, then he will of course be Moderated, however I wished everyone to read what I had added to his post before he removes it.


As to "EDSF"... what exactly is "The next level"?

You going to attack the board?

That really shows you care about it, doesnt it?

[EDSF]

Alright I'll play your game and not re edit my post, although I have every right to.

The next level that you have decided to twist to your own agenda would be the release of information to the members.

Information which demonstrates the inner workings of this "team", the Name Game being played by admins, broken rules, distorted truths, etc, etc, etc.

You claim fairness and concern Rat Faced but you don't adhere to your stated principles unless it suits you too.

You know quite well that posts are not to be edited without the "edited by" line.

You've gotten on a soap box about it before.

Where exactly DO you stand? None of this " I'm so great and humble" crap, You've just proven that to be a falacy. ;)

So is it it censorship at your discretion now? Or is this a "team" decision? <_<

[sArA]

Originally posted by EDSF@3 May 2004 - 22:05
Alright I'll play your game and not re edit my post, although I have every right to.

The next level that you have decided to twist to your own agenda would be the release of information to the members.

Information which demonstrates the inner workings of this "team", the Name Game being played by admins, broken rules, distorted truths, etc, etc, etc.

You claim fairness and concern Rat Faced but you don't adhere to your stated principles unless it suits you too.

You know quite well that posts are not to be edited without the "edited by" line.

You've gotten on a soap box about it before.

Where exactly DO you stand? None of this " I'm so great and humble" crap, You've just proven that to be a falacy. ;)

So is it it censorship at your discretion now? Or is this a "team" decision? <_<
Whilst I understand some of your frustration here, I must admit that to know who you really are would help context. Your knowledge is clearly formidable about the inner circle of the board and your style is vaguely familiar but I have no real clue who you could be.

Having said this, perhaps is it justified to remain annonymous so that you are able to post your opinion without fear of come-back... :ph34r:

I guess it's your call but the curiosity is killing me!! :lol:

[Rat Faced]

Originally posted by EDSF@3 May 2004 - 22:05
Alright I'll play your game and not re edit my post, although I have every right to.

The next level that you have decided to twist to your own agenda would be the release of information to the members.

Information which demonstrates the inner workings of this "team", the Name Game being played by admins, broken rules, distorted truths, etc, etc, etc.

You claim fairness and concern Rat Faced but you don't adhere to your stated principles unless it suits you too.

You know quite well that posts are not to be edited without the "edited by" line.

You've gotten on a soap box about it before.

Where exactly DO you stand? None of this " I'm so great and humble" crap, You've just proven that to be a falacy. ;)

So is it it censorship at your discretion now? Or is this a "team" decision? <_<
Not really.

We all agreed to protect someones privacy.

Obviously this confidence, that you were privy to, means nothing to you... you cannot be trusted with a confidence obviously.

You never objected at the time, you want blab now... I wonder why?

At the same time, you seem unwilling to let everyone know who they know you better as?

Again, i wonder why?

Maybe, just maybe, they will see through you then?

My feelings on the current situation are right in the open for anyone to read or not read as they wish.

I may step down over it, i feel so strongly.

If i do though, I have enough honour in me to keep the privacy of others to myself, irrespective of my feelings.

I hope this satisfies you...but i doubt it....

:rolleyes:

[EDSF]

well I guess that answers my question doesn't it. ;)

The members don't have the right to post the truth or to read it.

So when the members are reading anything on this forum, it might be an idea to keep in mind that Rat Faced and others are freely modifying the contents of your posts, often without the "edited by" line. What appears to an unaltered post could quite possibly have been edited to reflect "the party line".

Names and events changed to protect the guilty ;)

Holy Moscow! You're all more corrupt than I would have thought possible.

[Rat Faced]

Originally posted by EDSF@3 May 2004 - 22:23
well I guess that answers my question doesn't it. ;)

The members don't have the right to post the truth or to read it.

So when the members are reading anything on this forum, it might be an idea to keep in mind that Rat Faced and others are freely modifying the contents of your posts, often without the "edited by" line. What appears to an unaltered post could quite possibly have been edited to reflect "the party line".

Names and events changed to protect the guilty ;)

Holy Moscow! You're all more corrupt than I would have thought possible.
Thats a little slanted.

The only thing I have removed from your post concerns someone elses privacy...even though you are attacking this board, the Mods (inc me personally), Admin...

I havent even identified you to the membership, again, thats a matter for you to decide.

The same thing applies, privacy.

[Mathea]

EDSF:

1. it's obvious that if you know so much about the board that you aren't a newcomer, and furthermore use another name that people would recognice. RF has already pointed that out and you have yet to deny it, so why not tell us who you are?

2. Apparently you were given information in confidence, and for whatever reason decided to break that trust. Which leads back to #1: who are you? Why is it ok to hide your identity yet blow someone else's up?

And what's up with a threat? Is your life so bad that you have to makes threats on a board? Come on man, it's the internet. Get over it.

[EDSF]

Oh, and all this concern about who I am? As if that vindicates you, your "team" and your actions somehow?

I am Ian Dasky and I have exposed a few sites that operated in this manner.

What are my qualifications?

I currently host or admin over 450 sites and forums, none of them allowed to do business the way this one does <_<

[Cheese]

Which one of the mods has been editing my posts? I make these great posts and some corrupt mod comes along and replaces it with spam goddamnit. :angry:

[DanB]

Originally posted by EDSF@3 May 2004 - 23:34
Oh, and all this concern about who I am? As if that vindicates you, your "team" and your actions somehow?

I am Ian Dasky and I have exposed a few sites that operated in this manner.

What are my qualifications?

I currently host or admin over 450 sites and forums, none of them allowed to do business the way this one does <_<
Surely you should be busy with them then rather than stirring up trouble here <_<

[Mathea]

Originally posted by EDSF@3 May 2004 - 22:34
I currently host or admin over 450 sites and forums, none of them allowed to do business the way this one does <_<
well then maybe you should concern yourself more with those 450 sites and forums. Or better yet since this one is so corrupt, how about you make your very own and everyone can follow you there if you wish. It still doesn't give you the right to release private information about someone when it was given to you in the confidence that you wouldn't give it out. It is their business and when they want it told they can do it themselves.

[sArA]

Originally posted by Mathea+3 May 2004 - 22:44--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Mathea @ 3 May 2004 - 22:44)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-EDSF@3 May 2004 - 22:34
I currently host or&nbsp; admin over 450 sites and forums, none of them allowed to do business the way this one does&nbsp; <_<
well then maybe you should concern yourself more with those 450 sites and forums. Or better yet since this one is so corrupt, how about you make your very own and everyone can follow you there if you wish. It still doesn't give you the right to release private information about someone when it was given to you in the confidence that you wouldn't give it out. It is their business and when they want it told they can do it themselves. [/b][/quote]
:lol: Good point, however, whistleblowers can be important too if they end up revealing dishonesty, fraud etc... :lol:

I would add however, that I am just being provocative! B)

[EDSF]

If you only had a clue :lol:

What confidence? As I said before, **** doesn't consult with anyone and therefore there was nothing said about protecting any identity.

The flat denials and censorship of posts is coming from one or two mods who have assumed something and taken it upon themselves to cover something up.

My sites are currently running so smoothly that I do have the time to inform people that they have rights and options.
The only trouble that could possibly "stir up" is with your twisted concience and loyalties.

I really don't want members like yourself at any of my sites but there are others who may be salvageable, reasonable, intelligent, looking for answers and options.

Is it up to you now to say what members can or cannot read and post? <_<

[Mathea]

Originally posted by sara5564@3 May 2004 - 22:50
:lol: Good point, however, whistleblowers can be important too if they end up revealing dishonesty, fraud etc...&nbsp; :lol:


Yes but I don't think there is anything good to come from this. He's just trying to start shit. He was told something that obviously was requested he not share and decided to do it anyway. Furthermore he KNEW that it would be edited out, and he changed it back anyway... I believe he did it only to cry abuse of power and censorship etc.

I'm not about to go into what's been going on with the board right now cuz god knows there's plenty of threads about it all anyway... but I don't see what he hopes to achieve thru this besides causing more tension n upset.

[callum]

Originally posted by Rat Faced@3 May 2004 - 22:27
I havent even identified you to the membership, again, thats a matter for you to decide.

Does his username begin with bal...?

[muchspl2]

wow this is great, I mean damn this sucks
I don't know what to believe, whats going on
a mod is changing/altering post and getting people banned, or is it just the admin bannedbanning people without consulting the team members
this is pretty serous if mods are talking about stepping down, I'd like to know more but fear we will never know the whole truth

[Mathea]

Originally posted by EDSF@3 May 2004 - 22:56
If you only had a clue :lol:

Keep laughing. I caught your posts BEFORE they were changed. I do know what they said and I don't see why you felt the need to do it.

[Chevy]

Originally posted by EDSF@3 May 2004 - 22:34
Oh,&nbsp; and all this concern about who I am?&nbsp; As if that vindicates you, your "team"&nbsp; and your actions somehow?

I am Ian Dasky and I have exposed a few sites that operated in this manner.

What are my qualifications?

I currently host or&nbsp; admin over 450 sites and forums, none of them allowed to do business the way this one does&nbsp; <_<
http://filesharingtalk.com/index.php?act=S...&highlite=dasky (http://filesharingtalk.com/index.php?act=Search&CODE=show&searchid=e16bfb6fbce8eb385a92ee01111a58c2&search_in=posts&result_type=posts&highlite=dasky)

http://members.shaw.ca/dasky/wenpigsfly/badair.gif

http://members.shaw.ca/dasky/wenpigsfly/

http://s89291739.onlinehome.us/shadowed/index.php

http://s89291739.onlinehome.us/shadowed/lo...101318283398483 (http://s89291739.onlinehome.us/shadowed/load.php?mod=en_board&board=Site%20Info&act=viewmsg&id=39836060101318283398483)

http://filesharingtalk.com/index.php?act=Members

http://filesharingtalk.com/index.php?showuser=17589

[thewizeard]

I mean when was the last time you really respected anyone for being a Emotional Disorders Sharing Forum member now anyway?

I kinda feel sorry for anyone when I find out they're a member there. It's a bit like the internet equivalent of finding out someone has AIDS or Leprosy.

balamm, you should practise what you preach.

nigel

[DanB]

Originally posted by callum+4 May 2004 - 00:00--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (callum @ 4 May 2004 - 00:00)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Rat Faced@3 May 2004 - 22:27
I havent even identified you to the membership, again, thats a matter for you to decide.

Does his username begin with bal...? [/b][/quote]
Oui monsieur :blink:

[EDSF]

Well, for one thing, when you accept donations under false pretenses or false identities, the contributors have a need, a right, to know!

Is this any different from any of the other sleazy scams perpetrated on the internet daily?

I don't think so!

You all howl with disgust when some other site or person is found to be fraudulent so why is this any different?

You can't know what you're pretending to understand but just continue if you enjoy playing the fool that much.

[sArA]

Originally posted by EDSF@3 May 2004 - 23:12
Well, for one thing, when you accept donations under false pretenses or false identities, the contributors have a need, a right, to know!

Is this any different from any of the other sleazy scams perpetrated on the internet daily?

I don't think so!

You all howl with disgust when some other site or person is found to be fraudulent so why is this any different?

You can't know what you're pretending to understand but just continue if you enjoy playing the fool that much.
So what's the problem? You keep giving hints that there is some kind of major dishonesty here but you are not giving specifics. Does this explain the heavy handedness of the Admins?

[muchspl2]

I want to know how far the rabbit hole goes, PM me

[EDSF]

Yes it does. Every time I post the truth, It's edited out.

@nigel123, would you abandon another human being because they had leprosy or aids?

Is your own wellbeing and smug satisfaction more important than that of everyone else's?

It's time you thought globally rather than selfishly.

[Rat Faced]

I want to know where the "Donate" button is <_<

We had one on the old homepage, and i think there was one for about 3 days on here....

Otherwise I assume your talking about the mirrors?


Unless he's talking about Danb's sig.... :rolleyes:

[DanB]

Originally posted by Rat Faced@4 May 2004 - 00:21
I want to know where the "Donate" button is&nbsp; <_<
In my sig. Get clicking :angry: :P


Seriously is there some major thing happening here or is just bluster? :unsure:

[Mathea]

EDSF: ok what I wanna know is by sharin that info what are you hoping to achieve? What brought on this desire to break trust someone had in you? What is ur ultimate goal?

Saying that the ppl need to know isn't the answer... what is your specific goal that will have this huge impact on people?

[sArA]

Yeah...sorry RF but this thread has gone this far, and maybe we should know the truth now.

Is it so serious as to be a genuine threat to the continuation of the board or as Danb asks is it all just bluster and BS?

[muchspl2]

I bet the team chat is a good read about now

[zapjb]

Some people are trying to turn this into a TRX type thing. It's not. Chill. :bag:

[Rat Faced]

The only thing going on in Team Chat is what you all know about anyway.

The great "Celery and HaXor" debate, and the discussion of new Mod Guidelines to make sure this type of thing doesnt happen again.


I mean, hardly world shattering stuff, is it?

[Mathea]

Originally posted by Rat Faced@3 May 2004 - 23:37
I mean, hardly world shattering stuff, is it?
to me it is!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

/me dies

now look what u mods have done. good going :angry:

[muchspl2]

yea but this thread has had implications that go farther than banning a few wankers that probably deserved it anyway

[sArA]

Originally posted by muchspl2@3 May 2004 - 23:41
yea but this thread has had implications that go farther than banning a few wankers that probably deserved it anyway
Agreed

[DanB]

Originally posted by muchspl2@4 May 2004 - 00:41
yea but this thread has had implications that go farther than banning a few wankers that probably deserved it anyway
True, this smacks of corruption at board level

[EDSF]

Are you even remotely familiar with the meaning of "trust"?

It's a 2 way street.

It's not something that can be dictated. It's something that should be earned.
Well, this "team" hasn't earned it and neither have the admins.

Are you aware that there are people who "tithe" regularly to support the cost of running this forum.

Do you have any idea what it costs to run a forum like this?

$0.00 ;)

Any hosting company would gladly take it on just for the exposure it gives them.
And that is exactly the situation here at present.

The money is accepted under false pretense.

There are no bandwidth costs, no server costs.
Co hosting and reseller accounts more than offset any loss they might incurr from hosting this forum. And losses are highly unlikely when all things are factored in.
The crap banner ads alone could pay for dedicated hosting on a site with this many hits.

What do i hope to achieve though sharing this info? :blink:

A cleaner internet maybe? More informed surfers maybe?
I can't think of any thing more satisfying except maybe a good dump. :)

[Rat Faced]

Originally posted by EDSF@3 May 2004 - 23:44
Are you even remotely familiar with the meaning of "trust"?

It's a 2 way street.

It's not something that can be dictated. It's something that should be earned.
Well, this "team" hasn't earned it and neither have the admins.

Are you aware that there are people who "tithe" regularly to support the cost of running this forum.

Do you have any idea what it costs to run a forum like this?

$0.00 ;)

Any hosting company would gladly take it on just for the exposure it gives them.
And that is exactly the situation here at present.

The money is accepted under false pretense.

There are no bandwidth costs, no server costs.
Co hosting and reseller accounts more than offset any loss they might incurr from hosting this forum. And losses are highly unlikely when all things are factored in.
The crap banner ads alone could pay for dedicated hosting on a site with this many hits.

What do i hope to achieve though sharing this info? :blink:

A cleaner internet maybe? More informed surfers maybe?
I can't think of any thing more satisfying except maybe a good dump. :)
I have no idea if this is true, I have never admined a forum or attempted to find out.

However, where is the Tithe?

I've never paid a penny, and i doubt many have.... like i said, i cant even see a "Donate" button.

[J'Pol]

Originally posted by muchspl2@4 May 2004 - 00:41
yea but this thread has had implications that go farther than banning a few wankers that probably deserved it anyway
That's a bit harsh.

[thewizeard]

Originally posted by EDSF@3 May 2004 - 23:20
Yes it does. Every time I post the truth, It's edited out.

@nigel123, would you abandon another human being because they had leprosy or aids?

Is your own wellbeing and smug satisfaction more important than that of everyone else's?

It's time you thought globally rather than selfishly.
My point is balamm, why no just post under your normal account and why keep opening accounts when you are feeling disgruntled with unpopular decisions that have been made.

I suppose the one good thing to say for you is that at least you came clean in the end.

Also, why post your truths now, you have had plenty of time to get these truths out into the open. That is what I meant in regards to your hidden agenda.

[muchspl2]

maybe J'Pol but if mods are really thinking of stepping down over events,
smoke = fire damn I don't want to sound like bulio inc

[Lamsey]

Originally posted by EDSF@3 May 2004 - 23:44
What do i hope to achieve though sharing this bullshit? :blink:
Perhaps it will sooth your still-raging bitterness? ;)

I mean come on, you could hardly be said to be impartial... :lol:

[J'Pol]

Originally posted by muchspl2@4 May 2004 - 00:53
maybe J'Pol but if mods are really thinking of stepping down over events,
smoke = fire damn I don't want to sound like bulio inc
Only if you are convinced that the "wankers" deserved it.

I remain uncomfortable with straight bans, particularly if done by admin and not mods.

In fact the mods I know would not have requested a ban. They would have used the normal system.

[EDSF]

I see you still haven't removed the link to your site. The one that contains copyrighted material, displayed without permission. <_<

Oh, you're a star alright :lol:

[Lamsey]

Originally posted by EDSF@4 May 2004 - 00:00
I see you still haven't removed the link to your site. The one that contains copyrighted material, displayed without permission. <_<

Oh, you're a star alright :lol:
I have permission, and I don't go around forcing people to sign my guestbook before I help them ;)

Incidentally if you'd care to point me at any copyrighted material on the site, and prove that the copyright holders wish for the offending articles to be removed, I'll be very surprised.

Anyway, enough sideswiping... if you're still that bitter then that's your problem and I probably shouldn't exacerbate it.

[Cheese]

Originally posted by Lamsey+3 May 2004 - 23:05--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Lamsey @ 3 May 2004 - 23:05)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-EDSF@4 May 2004 - 00:00
I see you still haven't removed the link to your site.&nbsp; The one that contains copyrighted material, displayed without permission.&nbsp; <_<

Oh, you're a star alright&nbsp; :lol:
I have permission, and I don't go around forcing people to sign my guestbook before I help them ;)

Incidentally if you'd care to point me at any copyrighted material on the site, and prove that the copyright holders wish for the offending articles to be removed, I'll be very surprised.

Anyway, enough sideswiping... if you're still that bitter then that's your problem and I probably shouldn't exacerbate it. [/b][/quote]
I hope you do have the copyrighters permission because I frown harshly on anyone breaking copyright laws on this forum, and that goes for anyone alse here at Filesharing Talk.

[J'Pol]

Copyrighted - really, doesn't sound right to me.

[EDSF]

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[Lamsey]

Originally posted by EDSF@4 May 2004 - 00:10
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get a fucking life, man. If this is how you spend your evenings (nitpicking at someone you obviously feel begrudged towards for some bizarre reason, and on a forum which you seem to dedicate a lot of time to publicly hating), then I would say you either need to get out more or see a psychiatrist. It's not normal.

[EDSF]

You've been exposed and your excuses are weak. Who's bitter?

Remove the link! It's the right thing to do and it applies to you the same as it applies to anyone else here.

[Lamsey]

Originally posted by EDSF@4 May 2004 - 00:21
You've been exposed and your excuses are weak. Who's bitter?

Remove the link! It's the right thing to do and it applies to you the same as it applies to anyone else here.
OMfG d00d i here the internet police at my door already!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11111

Mods, I realise this counts as trolling towards the emotionally unstable - if that means moderation fair enough, but don't ban me ;)


oh, and
Who's bitter?
That would be you, balamm old mate :rolleyes:

[EDSF]

Self promotion any any cost eh? Nothing new here ;)

Special rules for Lamesy while everyone else gets banned for the same. <_<

[namzuf9]

Originally posted by J'Pol@4 May 2004 - 01:08
Copyrighted - really, doesn't sound right to me.
I believe we may have had this discussion before :rolleyes:

I really dont like whats going on in here at all. Its becoming an us versus them situation and it stands against everything this board was built on. This board has always been very open and easy going whilst executing rules and guildlines with common sense.
I've been away for a while and have come back to find various threads kicking up a huge stink about how this forum is operating. I am uneasy with a few of the things mentioned and I would like to throw them into the discussion (sorry if these have already been addressed but I have been absent from the board for a month or so.)

As far as I can tell the recent bannings were done by an admin of this board.
Has admin admitted and jusitfied their actions? I ask this because the mods still seem to be under attack for something they had no control over (as far as I can tell from the mods that have posted).

We have a member, that a lot of us recongnise, posting under a second account and speaking of ill-gotten gains and truths that we need to know. The claim is that his posts have been edited to remove essiential infomation.
A question to the mod who edited the posts-was it nessacary to edit or in hindsight do you think it may have fanned the flames (understand that I do respect you as a long standing member of this board.)

An open question to all members of the board that are concerned with all the problems at the moment-what do you think the best resolution is?

@JP feel free to correct any spelling/grammitcal errors you come across :P :D

[Lamsey]

Originally posted by namzuf9@4 May 2004 - 00:35
An open question to all members of the board that are concerned with all the problems at the moment-what do you think the best resolution is?
1024x768




Sorry, couldn't resist it.

[muchspl2]

http://members.cox.net/dodger1954/pics/nomodrama.jpg

[Cheese]

Originally posted by muchspl2@3 May 2004 - 23:53
http://members.cox.net/dodger1954/pics/nomodrama.jpg
Then how else will we be entertained of a week night? :blink:

[namzuf9]

http://www.IMGSpot.com/uploads/finger_NAMZUF9.jpg

[DWk]

Man this has turned into something else...

Even though I suppose we could all point fingers, this and that, if the rules apply to certain members and not mods as well (even though they say they are members firsthand), this gets stupid.

It's time for a change, and even though it's a hard time to come, we are ready! :01:

[atiVidia]

[Removed]

i bet you anything i just got myself into a deep hole. i deeply regret flaming like this in a place other than the lounge, but when worse comes to worse, this is what happens. :'(

@ dwk, im ready too :)

[kAb]

Originally posted by atiVidia@3 May 2004 - 22:10
[Removed]

i bet you anything i just got myself into a deep hole. i deeply regret flaming like this in a place other than the lounge, but when worse comes to worse, this is what happens. :'(

@ dwk, im ready too :)
Feel better now? :lol:


Censure the administration!

[atiVidia]

Originally posted by kAb+4 May 2004 - 00:14--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (kAb @ 4 May 2004 - 00:14)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-atiVidia@3 May 2004 - 22:10
[Removed]

i bet you anything i just got myself into a deep hole. i deeply regret flaming like this in a place other than the lounge, but when worse comes to worse, this is what happens. :'(

@ dwk, im ready too :)
Feel better now? :lol:


Censure the administration! [/b][/quote]
agreed... wait a sec!



how bout just overthrowing them? lol when 7th comes back we beg him to boot error (rookie hasnt done anything wrong) and demote a *forum star* down to member status :)

[kAb]

rookie hasn't done anything wrong cause he doesn't know where the Admin Panel is :lol:

[DWk]

Honestly, I doubt "7th" is coming back. And if he does come back, I doubt he does any of what you said.

Only some people on the team are honest enough to be part of the change. The rest, they are just sheep :smilie4:

EDIT - grammar.....omg WTF is wrong with my language :angry:

[Rip The Jacker]

@atiVidia
I think you need to calm down.

@balamm
If you have something to say, why not say it using your own account? :unsure:

[DWk]

Originally posted by Rip The Jacker@3 May 2004 - 22:30
@balamm
If you have something to say, why not say it using your own account? :unsure:
I though balamm's account was banned.... i mean deleted :rolleyes:

[Rip The Jacker]

Originally posted by DWk+3 May 2004 - 21:32--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (DWk @ 3 May 2004 - 21:32)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Rip The Jacker@3 May 2004 - 22:30
@balamm
If you have something to say, why not say it using your own account? :unsure:
I though balamm's account was banned.... i mean deleted :rolleyes: [/b][/quote]
http://filesharingtalk.com/index.php?showuser=17589

:huh:

[EDSF]

I think VB was asked to ban or delete that account but he didn't think it would look good for them at the time.

Hmm... Maybe if I was accepting donations under an assumed name...

nah, if an admin can do it then wtf!

I gotta go set up a paypal account to cover my posting expenses :lol:

[Rat Faced]

Originally posted by EDSF@4 May 2004 - 06:15


Hmm...&nbsp; Maybe if I was accepting donations under an assumed name...


And yet again....


Where is this mythical "Donations" button?


I asure you Danb is not error, and Danb's PayPal button doesnt work anyway :P

[Cheese]

Originally posted by Rat Faced+4 May 2004 - 07:16--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Rat Faced @ 4 May 2004 - 07:16)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-EDSF@4 May 2004 - 06:15


Hmm...* Maybe if I was accepting donations under an assumed name...


And yet again....


Where is this mythical "Donations" button?


I asure you Danb is not error, and Danb's PayPal button doesnt work anyway :P [/b][/quote]
Yeah, right. That swine has had shed loads of my hardly-earned cash through me accidently pressing that button... :lol:

[sArA]

So...I return after a night tossing and turning in my bed, unable to sleep because of the worry over the board and the overnight developments.... :blink: :lol: :lol:

To find that we have actually got no further than before...ho hum...another endless circle where nothing gets sorted, nothing of substance revealed and people start taking pops at each other rather than discussing the issues at hand...

I thought this was to do with some SERIOUSLY dishonest dealings from some members (dont know who) of the board team!

Is this how it gets done here now huh? Vague responses and personal attacks to detract from the problems highlighted by Ballam.

Now, I don't have ANY interest in defending ANY individual member over what's been happening here, but surely if there is a problem, then the members should know what they are dealing with so that we can make up our own minds.

This whole thing needs discussion and resolving without personal attacks but based on the issues which are still unclear IMO.

[DanB]

Originally posted by Withcheese+4 May 2004 - 09:43--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Withcheese @ 4 May 2004 - 09:43)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by Rat Faced@4 May 2004 - 07:16
<!--QuoteBegin-EDSF@4 May 2004 - 06:15


Hmm...&nbsp; Maybe if I was accepting donations under an assumed name...


And yet again....


Where is this mythical "Donations" button?


I asure you Danb is not error, and Danb's PayPal button doesnt work anyway :P
Yeah, right. That swine has had shed loads of my hardly-earned cash through me accidently pressing that button... :lol: [/b][/quote]
Yes thanks Cheese, that new pc you hard earned ash bought me is being delivered