How Bout Dem Wizards!!! (NBA)

[Busyman]

They just beat the Lakers in OT!!!

120 - 116

AMAZING GAME!!!

Let me first say that Kobe Bryant is a bonafide stone cold beeotch!!!

He complains about everything. He curse at a ref and of course the ref did not give him a T.

Gilbert Arenas was unstoppable for the Wizards.

The game was so chock full of highlights it was overwhelming. :ohmy:

[spinningfreemanny]

How bout dem SUNS???

aaaah, yes, in clutch time pulling away from the sonics.

20-3

kudos, to the wiz, hope you nice and tired for tomorrow night, gonna have a hard time with phoenix running out of the gym ;)

[Busyman]

How bout dem SUNS???

aaaah, yes, in clutch time pulling away from the sonics.

20-3

kudos, to the wiz, hope you nice and tired for tomorrow night, gonna have a hard time with phoenix running out of the gym ;)
I wanted to watch that game (vs. Sonics). :(

Suns have the best record in the NBA with what, only 3 losses?

btw this ain't the same Wizards ya'll will be playin' so don't count that W yet. ;)

[spinningfreemanny]

Count it! lol

[Busyman]

Count it! lol
STFU!!! :dry:

So what!!!

[Busyman]

They just beat th 27-4 Seattle Supersonics!!!

[Busyman]

We beat the Minnesota Timberwolves


117-114

Kevin Garnett missed his last field goal!!!!

[Busyman]

Oh mannyyyyyyy.

How bout dem Wizards!!!

We got our revenge on the Suns!!! :lol: :lol: :lol:

Count it!! lol

[spinningfreemanny]

awww...

1/2 point given; due to Nash being out.

I wonder after us losing four in a row how far back you still are from us?

[Busyman]

awww...

1/2 point given; due to Nash being out.

I wonder after us losing four in a row how far back you still are from us?
Hey we didn't have Etan Thomas. Your point?

Now we don't have Larry Hughes (the league steal leader). We were down 37 FUCKING POINTS against the Mavericks :(

We lost by 17.

I think it was 115-132 Dallas flavor. :(

[spinningfreemanny]

wait, wait, wait....

are you comparing some scrub called "Etan" to Steve Nash?

Mr. General?

Mr. 18 assists a night?

if so, you have rocks in your head. Look at the suns without him, They're terrible. They just lost to Memphis!

In my mind, Nash is the MVP this year, with maybe Labron James in contention.

[Busyman]

You were missing a starter, we were missing a starter.

Now we are missing Larry Hughes, Mr. NBA steals leader.

You've lost 4 games with Nash. Again, your point? :dry:

[brotherdoobie]

Nash simply rules...that is all.

Peace bd

[Busyman]

Nash simply rules...that is all.

Peace bd
He is one of my top 5 point guards easily.

[kazaaman]

Bla Bla Bla Suns are good but nothing without Nash, they got what 9 losses now?
Wizards aren't much without their steal leader, Larry Hughes. When is he comin back man. Damit.

P.S :: Lakers suck major ballz

[Busyman]

Bla Bla Bla Suns are good but nothing without Nash, they got what 9 losses now?
Wizards aren't much without their steal leader, Larry Hughes. When is he comin back man. Damit.

P.S :: Lakers suck major ballz
Guess what...the Wizards would have had a hard time with Larry.

Keep in mind we played the San Antonio Spurs (who have the best records btw) and the Dallas Mavericks. :dry:

....a whole 2 more lost games.

We've got the Raptors tonight.

[Busyman]

We beat the Indiana Pacers...............95-93

Antawn Jamison hit the game winner leaving 0.4 seconds left!!!1!!!!1!!!1 :w00t:

The Wizards have some exciting nail-biter games!!!!

We did this:

Without Larry Hughes

Without Larry's very able backup Juan Dixon

and only making 20 for 31 free throws (a sorry 64%)

Anthony Peeler hit 4 late 3-pointers. :w00t:

Hey manny....looks like the Suns are on a 6 game buttmark!!! :lol: :P

[kazaaman]

Yea Wizards are doing it now man, I dont know how Jamison made the shot.

Amaaaaazing :)

[Busyman]

I don't fucking believe it.

The Wizards were being totally demolished by the Cavaliers and end up winning by 9

106 - 97

We only scored 30 in the first half and was down by 17.

W....T....F KIND OF TWILIGHT ZONE SHIT IS THIS?

[Busyman]

Hey manny.....

Larry Hughes first games back after missing 20...

He scored 31

Gilbert Arenas scored 33

vs. the Rockets

We win 101 to 98

We got 11 fucking steals!!! :w00t:

[spinningfreemanny]

Ho hum....beat the world champ pistons

nash: 14 assists
STAT: 26 points

no biggie; but a great game, If you wanna try to download it.

[spinningfreemanny]

oh no, B;

Don't tell me the wizards just got monkey stomped by the 4th worst team in the league....

[Busyman]

oh no, B;

Don't tell me the wizards just got monkey stomped by the 4th worst team in the league....
I can't fucking believe it.....at home too!!!! :angry:

I was tivoing the game but now that I know they fucking lost then jus..

ERASE

[Busyman]

THE REFS ARE BITCHES!!!!

I went to the 1st Wizard's playoff home game yesterday and the REFS ARE TOTAL BITCHES!!!!

We already lost the first 2 games to the Chicago Bulls in Chicago. Now the refs are calling nonexistent fouls AT HOME. :frusty:

TOTAL BITCHES!!! :angry:

I'm going on Monday to the second game and I hope they cut that shit out!!!! :angry: :angry:

(other than that, the playoffs have been great)

[spinningfreemanny]

Clean sweep for the suns: 4-0

I want the suns to kick the crap out of yao meek...

[Busyman]

Clean sweep for the suns: 4-0

I want the suns to kick the crap out of yao meek...
I had no doubts tbh.

I just got back from the Wizards game.

We are tied 2 - 2 and headed back to Chicago.

[Busyman]

FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :angry: :angry: :angry: :angry: :angry: :angry: :frusty:

[Busyman]

THAT WAS THE BEST GAME I HAVE EVER SEEN IN MY LIFE!!!!

The Wizards were up by 22 points in Chicago ffs!!!

They blow the lead, miss a TON of free throws and The Bulls hit 3 pointer after to three pointer.

We are only up 110 to 107 because

Pargo hits 2 3 pointers, Hinrick hits one, then with 11.4 seconds left we purposely foul Hinrick.

He misses his first free throw

He misses his second but somehow we manage to NOT GET THE FUCKING REBOUND!!!

Pargo's bitch ass gets the ball and hits ANOTHER FUCKING 3 POINTER!!! :ohmy:

Ties the game 110 to 110 with 5.2 seconds left (hence my above FUUUUUUCK!!! comment)

The Bulls had no timeouts, we had 2.

We inbound the ball over half-court and Gilbert Arenas gets the ball, drives right and pops up for a jump shot with 7 footer Tyson Chandler and Kirk Hinrick jumping to block and.............

HE HITS THE JUMPER AT THE BUZZER!!!

Wizards win 112 - 110:clap:
Wizards are up 3 to 2 on a best of seven series.
Now we head home to Washington to try and close out this series.

I will be there on Friday cheering them on. :01:

The MCI Center will be rockin'

(or should I say Verizon Center, since my company will be buying MCI :unsure: )

[RPerry]

Just wanted to say I agree with busyman, one hell of a game. Hope you Enjoy the next one Busyman, cause that will mean on to the next round :cheers:

[Busyman]

Just wanted to say I agree with busyman, one hell of a game. Hope you Enjoy the next one Busyman, cause that will mean on to the next round :cheers:
.........and have to face Shaq. :( :cry:

I will buy tickets to both games if we make it.

Hell if we go to the championship (faaaaaaaaarfetched) I will keep going to every home game.

Fuck it...I only have 1 month left on my car note. I should have some extra money. :unsure:

[Busyman]

http://www.nba.com/media/wizards/arenas_wallpaper800_buzzer.jpg:clap:

I'm about get to the game!!!

[Busyman]

I am exhasusted!!!

I thought we would lose.

We were down for almost the whole game until we tied it at 91.

Then we catch one break when Jared Jeffries steal the ball and gets a dunk near the end of the game.

http://www.nba.com/media/wizards/jeffries_200_050506.jpg
I almost forgot about a Bulls steal from the league steals leader Larry Hughes. Kirk Hinrick races down to score.

Larry Hughes can't catch him. He lays the ball up but....

Gibert Arenas (the guy in the big picture; previous post) SWATS THE SHIT OUT THAT BALL OFF THE GLASS and we get possession back.
Those were the two tide turners of the game that gave us the win.
The crowd lost their damn minds.

We end up beating the Bulls 4 in a row to take the series 4-2.

We are playing Miami next. Time to beat Shaq.

Right after the game we ran down to box office to Miami Heat tickets.

It was madhouse. People were buying 20+ tickets to sell themselves.

I end up doing the same thing. The lady waiting to buy that was behind me was in a group of 4. She bought 4 tickets to last nights game from a scalper for $600. They were up here from Richmond, VA and to drive back that night (she had work in the morning).

I'm going to put mine on Ebay and make it so the playoff games I'm going to are basically free.

In my line near the front there was also a fight over who was first.

I took multiple pictures at the game (and at the ticket booth afterwards). I will upload them soon.

It's Miami Heat in Washington Thursday then Saturday next week

[RPerry]

I am exhasusted!!!


I wondered when you were going to pop in and tell everyone who didn't know. I knew but wasn't aout to steal your thunder. I figured you were up all night partying. Congrats to you for your team advancing. :cheers:

[Busyman]

I wondered when you were going to pop in and tell everyone who didn't know. I knew but wasn't aout to steal your thunder. I figured you were up all night partying. Congrats to you for your team advancing. :cheers:
Thanks man. There was so much joy in the arena and on the streets that you could explode.

Part of the time afterward I was in a damn ticket line for Miami's game. :(

It was hilarious when this white fella tried to cut in front of this big black fella and his friends.

He had to be on crack or something 'cause he was asking for an ass-whippin'.

I wish I had a poster of that Arenas buzzer beater.

.3 seconds..............

[manker]

Wow, these playoff games are really close together. I never realised.


It's a good thing basketball isn't all that physically demanding.

[Busyman]

Wow, these playoff games are really close together. I never realised.


It's a good thing basketball isn't all that physically demanding.
If the Wizards would have swept Chicago they could have had a rest of more than a day ffs.

They have to play Miami today at 3:30pm in Miami. :angry:

One whole day of rest.

You've played basketball before? :blink:

[manker]

I most certainly have.

In school, the girls team won some borough tornament and challenged the boys to a game, we pwned them even tho' we'd never played it before.

[Busyman]

I most certainly have.

In school, the girls team won some borough tornament and challenged the boys to a game, we pwned them even tho' we'd never played it before.
Oh you've played once.

That would have been funny as hell to watch. :lol: :lol:

I didn't play until I was in my last year of high school. You started before me probably.

[Busyman]

Wow!!!

We were down by 17 and come back to within 4.

With 2.9 seconds left in half-time, Larry Hughes throws a hell of a pass to Gilbert Arenas and we score leaving 1.6 seconds left.

Halftime score

Miami 49 Washington 47

We were fucking 17 points down!!!

[Busyman]

Now we did have this.....
http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20050508/capt.aaa10505082201.wizards_heat_aaa105.jpg :w00t: :w00t:
But this sums up our game...
http://www.nba.com/media/heat/hpg0405_050508_shaq2.jpghttp://www.nba.com/media/heat/hpg0405_050508_wade.jpghttp://www.nba.com/media/heat/hpg0405_050508_wade4.jpg
http://www.nba.com/media/heat/hpg0405_050508_ejones3.jpghttp://www.nba.com/media/heat/hpg0405_050508_wade5.jpghttp://www.nba.com/media/heat/hpg0405_050508_wade3.jpg

And finally...............
http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20050508/capt.aaa10805082228.wizards_heat_aaa108.jpg

:angry:
Fuck it. :dry:

[spinningfreemanny]

wow, I can't believe Zo can still get up to block like that...crazy.

[RPerry]

Wow, these playoff games are really close together. I never realised.


It's a good thing basketball isn't all that physically demanding.

You have got to be kidding me :rolleyes:

Playing basketball in the school yard is one thing, playing at a professional pace is totally different. I say this cause in most "pick-up" games, here anyway, they are mostly half-court. Try running around in a full court game :shifty:

[manker]

You have got to be kidding me :rolleyes:

Playing basketball in the school yard is one thing, playing at a professional pace is totally different. I say this cause in most "pick-up" games, here anyway, they are mostly half-court. Try running around in a full court game :shifty:The skill factor regarding shooting/passing probably would give me problems and I expect I'd give away a lot of fouls, what with it being a non-contact sport.

But the physical part? Nah, I play soccer.

[Busyman]

The skill factor regarding shooting/passing probably would give me problems and I expect I'd give away a lot of fouls, what with it being a non-contact sport.

But the physical part? Nah, I play soccer.
I played before I played basketball.

I still played with the Spanish fellas when I was with my ex 2 years ago.
Quite fun. ;)

The thing about soccer is that anyone can pick it up. I said before.....who can't run and kick a ball.

Basketball involves a rule set that is not basic.

From 10 yards away I can easily kick a soccer ball into a net.

From 10 yards away many can't put a basketball through a hoop.

btw mank, tennis is a non-contact sport, basketball is a contact sport.

The fact that there are fouls kinda gives it away. :lol: :lol:

@RPerry - did you see when Tracy McGrady dunked on Shawn Bradley in the first round? It was almost as bad as when Vince Carter dunked on (I think) the French fella in Olympics time before last.

Shawn Bradley is over 7 feet tall ffs.

[Busyman]

You have got to be kidding me :rolleyes:

Playing basketball in the school yard is one thing, playing at a professional pace is totally different. I say this cause in most "pick-up" games, here anyway, they are mostly half-court. Try running around in a full court game :shifty:
Pick up games around here are full court.

I tore both my acl's (and my left meniscus) playing basketball and arthroscopic surgery (mainly to repair the meniscus) only on one knee about 8 years ago.

I never got reconstruction though and continued to play until about 3 weeks ago. I about to see the same orthopedic surgeon in 2 weeks 'cause my left knee was fucking up.

One day I was playing and shot a jumper on a fella and when I came down my knee buckle. I got a sub and tried to walk it off. My team end up losing.

2 games later my dumbass went back on the court limping and the fella that was checking me started talking shit so I got angry and started scoring on him left and right. I was shouting shit like, "You can't even check a cripple!!!"

Even though I scored like crazy (for a short pick up game) we still lost.

Further idiocy.....

The next week I play again..

My knee is still hurting and movement is hindered.

We had only one tall fella on our team against whole teams of mostly taller guys and we won 7 fucking games...and lost the 8th one.

The other teams were pissed that we stayed on the court all fucking day with the team we had.

Needless to say that day I told the fellas you will not see me up there for awhile....a long while. :( I thought about it for this Sunday coming up but yet I get this twinge of pain that let's me know...STAY YOUR ASS HOME.

It's killing me not being able to play. :angry: :frusty:

[spinningfreemanny]

@RPerry - did you see when Tracy McGrady dunked on Shawn Bradley in the first round? It was almost as bad as when Vince Carter dunked on (I think) the French fella in Olympics time before last.

Shawn Bradley is over 7 feet tall ffs.

beautiful... and I hate the rockets.
http://img244.echo.cx/img244/5720/4q6ee86nl.jpg

[RPerry]

@RPerry - did you see when Tracy McGrady dunked on Shawn Bradley in the first round? It was almost as bad as when Vince Carter dunked on (I think) the French fella in Olympics time before last.

Shawn Bradley is over 7 feet tall ffs.

Yes I did :lol:

Did you know Tracy McGrady and I went to the same High School ?

http://img54.echo.cx/img54/9852/photofrontofschool27jt.jpg

no, not at the same time, I'm older than he is :rolleyes:

[manker]

I played before I played basketball.

I still played with the Spanish fellas when I was with my ex 2 years ago.
Quite fun. ;)

The thing about soccer is that anyone can pick it up. I said before.....who can't run and kick a ball.

Basketball involves a rule set that is not basic.

From 10 yards away I can easily kick a soccer ball into a net.

From 10 yards away many can't put a basketball through a hoop.

btw mank, tennis is a non-contact sport, basketball is a contact sport.

The fact that there are fouls kinda gives it away. :lol: :lol: So by that rationale, Football is the easiest sport in the world because you just have to run over a line holding the football. Nice one.

Also, by your rationale, tennis is a contact sport because sometimes the players shake hands during games.

Sometimes breaking everything down makes you sound kinda stoopid :1eye:

In Basketball incidental contact is okay provided it does not cause an advantage. From that I take it that the contact doesn't affect the gameplay and shouldn't affect the result. If it does then the ref hasn't done his job properly.

This is in direct contrast to full contact sports like rugby where contact is part of the gameplay and obviously affects the outcome.

Surely you see the distinction.


I could write more but you're fishing with that shit and it's not particularly subtle :D

[GepperRankins]

From 10 yards away I can easily kick a soccer ball into a net.

From 10 yards away many can't put a basketball through a hoop.

don't you always complain because footy is uneventful? so obviously it's not that easy to score a goal :blink:

[Busyman]

So by that rationale, Football is the easiest sport in the world because you just have to run over a line holding the football. Nice one.

Also, by your rationale, tennis is a contact sport because sometimes the players shake hands during games.

Sometimes breaking everything down makes you sound kinda stoopid :1eye:

In Basketball incidental contact is okay provided it does not cause an advantage. From that I take it that the contact doesn't affect the gameplay and shouldn't affect the result. If it does then the ref hasn't done his job properly.

This is in direct contrast to full contact sports like rugby where contact is part of the gameplay and obviously affects the outcome.

Surely you see the distinction.


I could write more but you're fishing with that shit and it's not particularly subtle :D
Oh wanker you just like being the bitch and showing that you are a dumb illogical piss ant. I said I gave you too much credit before, I guess, thinking you were an intellectual with the grammatafest stuff but you weren't even good at that. You are a polished turd.

I said nothing about the easiest sport in the world. I said soccer is easier to pick up (to play). Soccer's rules are simple and the game doesn't require that much special construction to play. The mechanics of play are simple.

If I take someone and tell them to kick this ball through a net and tell the same one to put this ball through a hole not that much larger than the ball, just 10 feet away, it's easier for him to kick a ball through the net.

This is captainobviously without taking defenders into consideration (seeing that I didn't do the same with basketball).

Your shit example of tennis has nothing to do with it's gameplay.

The object of soccer is not to kick an opposing player in the nuts yet it happens. Soccer has incidental contact and so does basketball. Basketball is a contact sport and so is soccer. You don't have to tackle someone for this to be true dipshit.

Basketball players post other players, set picks, dunk on players, take offensive fouls, purposely commit fouls to stop the clock. It GREATLY affects the outcome.

Once again you are in my pocket. Sometimes I wonder if you are this stupid, simply being a trolling turd, or both. :dry:

[Busyman]

beautiful... and I hate the rockets.
http://img244.echo.cx/img244/5720/4q6ee86nl.jpg
That's funny as shit!!!! :lol: :lol:

[Busyman]

Yes I did :lol:

Did you know Tracy McGrady and I went to the same High School ?

http://img54.echo.cx/img54/9852/photofrontofschool27jt.jpg

no, not at the same time, I'm older than he is :rolleyes:
Interesting.....

He comes out of that same school and makes millions.

What's your occupation? :P

[Busyman]

beautiful... and I hate the rockets.
http://img244.echo.cx/img244/5720/4q6ee86nl.jpg
I just showed this to my co-workers and we're still laughing!!!! :lol: :lol:

[manker]

Oh wanker you just like being the bitch and showing that you are a dumb illogical piss ant. I said I gave you too much credit before, I guess, thinking you were an intellectual with the grammatafest stuff but you weren't even good at that. You are a polished turd.

I said nothing about the easiest sport in the world. I said soccer is easier to pick up (to play). Soccer's rules are simple and the game doesn't require that much special construction to play. The mechanics of play are simple.

If I take someone and tell them to kick this ball through a net and tell the same one to put this ball through a hole not that much larger than the ball, just 10 feet away, it's easier for him to kick a ball through the net.

This is captainobviously without taking defenders into consideration (seeing that I didn't do the same with basketball).

Your shit example of tennis has nothing to do with it's gameplay.

The object of soccer is not to kick an opposing player in the nuts yet it happens. Soccer has incidental contact and so does basketball. Basketball is a contact sport and so is soccer. You don't have to tackle someone for this to be true dipshit.

Basketball players post other players, set picks, dunk on players, take offensive fouls, purposely commit fouls to stop the clock. It GREATLY affects the outcome.

Once again you are in my pocket. Sometimes I wonder if you are this stupid, simply being a trolling turd, or both. :dry:I'm stupid, a trolling turd yet still correct.

It's really difficult to argue when the other person is correct, isn't it.

I say that because you didn't counter a single point. You typed a lot but the comments were aimed at me, not my points.

Intentional contact in Basketball is against the rules, in soccer it is not. Bottom line right there :D


Btw, my easiest game in the world comment was taking your rationale to it's logical conclusion, Football is an intensely complicated, tactically intricate game yet all you do to score is carry the ball over the line. Surely you can see that your example is a bit rubbish.

[Busyman]

I'm stupid, a trolling turd yet still correct.

It's really difficult to argue when the other person is correct, isn't it.

I say that because you didn't counter a single point. You typed a lot but the comments were aimed at me, not my points.

Intentional contact in Basketball is against the rules, in soccer it is not. Bottom line right there :D
Those who know basketball are laughing at you right now. You don't know what the fuck you are talking about and may as well shut the fuck up. See below......
Basketball players post other players, set picks, dunk on players, take offensive fouls, purposely commit fouls to stop the clock. It GREATLY affects the outcome.
....RIF ya dipshit. In tennis you don't touch the other player; gameplay doesn't involve touching the other player. In basketball contact is PART OF THE GAME. It directly affects strategy in the game. Talk about what you know, like being a new and fresh turd. :dry:
Consider your shit point uh.......previously countered and countered again.

btw I didn't know you were allowed to intentionally clock someone in the eye in soccer. Maybe I'll start tackling an offensive player when he's about to score. SOundsLikeE..........BULLSHIT!!! :shit:


Btw, my easiest game in the world comment was taking your rationale to it's logical conclusion, Football is an intensely complicated, tactically intricate game yet all you do to score is carry the ball over the line. Surely you can see that your example is a bit rubbish.
WhoTF is talking about tactics?
Football is an easy sport to pick up besides the catching part.

Running and kicking are very basic. We've done it as 3 years-olds. We've played kick the can ffs.

It's one of things that makes soccer one of the easiest games to pick up.
Everyone on this forum knows it. You know it and I know it.

I really don't know what the fuss is. :rolleyes:

[manker]

Those who know basketball are laughing at you right now. You don't know what the fuck you are talking about and may as well shut the fuck up. See below..........RIF ya dipshit. In tennis you don't touch the other player; gameplay doesn't involve touching the other player. In basketball contact is PART OF THE GAME. It directly affects strategy in the game. Talk about what you know, like being a new and fresh turd. :dry:
Consider your shit point uh.......previously countered and countered again.

btw I didn't know you were allowed to intentionally clock someone in the eye in soccer. Maybe I'll start tackling an offensive player when he's about to score. SOundsLikeE..........BULLSHIT!!! :shit:


Btw, my easiest game in the world comment was taking your rationale to it's logical conclusion, Football is an intensely complicated, tactically intricate game yet all you do to score is carry the ball over the line. Surely you can see that your example is a bit rubbish.
WhoTF is talking about tactics?
Football is an easy sport to pick up besides the catching part.

Running and kicking are very basic. We've done it as 3 years-olds. We've played kick the can ffs.

It's one of things that makes soccer one of the easiest games to pick up.
Everyone on this forum knows it. You know it and I know it.

I really don't know what the fuss is. :rolleyes:I'm talking about tactics. I brought it in to see if you could see where your pseudo logic takes you. You can't but it's hardly surprising to me. To cut straight thro' the waffle - I didn't say that you could intentionally elbow a player in the eye, we call that a foul - just like if you intentionally touch a different player in basketball to gain an advantage. The difference being that you can use contact to your advantage legally in soccer, you cannot in basketball.

I really don't know why you're having difficulty with this.

LEGALLY you're not allowed to use contact to your advantage in basketball.

Not sure if writing it twice will help you understand but I'm all for assisting your comprehension. It seems necessary 'cause sometimes if it's drummed in enough times, you seem to get it eventually.


Now, to extrapolate upon your example and eventually equate it to basketball, in soccer it is possible to elbow their star player in the eye. It's not within the rules (I'm calling it illegal, the reason will become clear later - it's for your own benefit, 'k) so you might get sent off but maybe you can use it to your advantage. You can also foul the opposition in other ways to gain advantage. In basketball you can intentionally touch another player but you'll get penalised for it.

This is because within the context of the sport it's illegal. This is the crux of the matter and what I'm trying to explain to you.

Let's put it another way 'cause frankly I don't think you'll understand it otherwise.

In America, it's illegal to steal yet people still do it. If you ask an American policeman, or a member of the general public who understands these matters, if stealing is allowed he'll say NO, stealing is not allowed. That's despite it going on all the time. Similarly in basketball intentional contact happens all the time yet it's illegal but if I, a basketball n00b, asked the ref if it was okay for me to touch the other players to try to gain an advantage, he would say NO, that's not allowed.


There, I managed to get thro' all of that without calling you names. Go me.

[GepperRankins]

i agree with manker. if the rules say no contact it's a non-contact sport.

[manker]

btw I didn't know you were allowed to intentionally clock someone in the eye in soccer. Maybe I'll start tackling an offensive player when he's about to score. SOundsLikeE..........BULLSHIT!!! You're not but tackling someone when they're about to score in soccer? Sounds like an excellent idea :ermm:

Keep reading those tactics books, Busy.

[GepperRankins]

so not being allowed to punch someone in the face makes something a non-contact sport?

[manker]

so not being allowed to punch someone in the face makes something a non-contact sport?I think he was drunk.

[Busyman]

Those who know basketball are laughing at you right now. You don't know what the fuck you are talking about and may as well shut the fuck up. See below..........RIF ya dipshit. In tennis you don't touch the other player; gameplay doesn't involve touching the other player. In basketball contact is PART OF THE GAME. It directly affects strategy in the game. Talk about what you know, like being a new and fresh turd. :dry:
Consider your shit point uh.......previously countered and countered again.

btw I didn't know you were allowed to intentionally clock someone in the eye in soccer. Maybe I'll start tackling an offensive player when he's about to score. SOundsLikeE..........BULLSHIT!!! :shit:



WhoTF is talking about tactics?
Football is an easy sport to pick up besides the catching part.

Running and kicking are very basic. We've done it as 3 years-olds. We've played kick the can ffs.

It's one of things that makes soccer one of the easiest games to pick up.
Everyone on this forum knows it. You know it and I know it.

I really don't know what the fuss is. :rolleyes:I'm talking about tactics. I brought it in to see if you could see where your pseudo logic takes you. You can't but it's hardly surprising to me. To cut straight thro' the waffle - I didn't say that you could intentionally elbow a player in the eye, we call that a foul - just like if you intentionally touch a different player in basketball to gain an advantage. The difference being that you can use contact to your advantage legally in soccer, you cannot in basketball.

I really don't know why you're having difficulty with this.

LEGALLY you're not allowed to use contact to your advantage in basketball.

Not sure if writing it twice will help you understand but I'm all for assisting your comprehension. It seems necessary 'cause sometimes if it's drummed in enough times, you seem to get it eventually.


Now, to extrapolate upon your example and eventually equate it to basketball, in soccer it is possible to elbow their star player in the eye. It's not within the rules (I'm calling it illegal, the reason will become clear later - it's for your own benefit, 'k) so you might get sent off but maybe you can use it to your advantage. You can also foul the opposition in other ways to gain advantage. In basketball you can intentionally touch another player but you'll get penalised for it.

This is because within the context of the sport it's illegal. This is the crux of the matter and what I'm trying to explain to you.

Let's put it another way 'cause frankly I don't think you'll understand it otherwise.

In America, it's illegal to steal yet people still do it. If you ask an American policeman, or a member of the general public who understands these matters, if stealing is allowed he'll say NO, stealing is not allowed. That's despite it going on all the time. Similarly in basketball intentional contact happens all the time yet it's illegal but if I, a basketball n00b, asked the ref if it was okay for me to touch the other players to try to gain an advantage, he would say NO, that's not allowed.


There, I managed to get thro' all of that without calling you names. Go me.
:lol: :lol: :lol:
You don't know what you are talking about.

If don't know the rules of basketball why not STFU?

Basketball is a contact sport. Contact is allowed. Period.

Let me post this again...since you are having a hard time reading.....

Basketball players post other players, set picks, dunk on players, take offensive fouls, purposely commit fouls to stop the clock. It GREATLY affects the outcome.

Hell fouling is part of the game. The Chicago came back from 10 down in a minute 'cause they kept hitting 3-pointers and we were missing our foul shots.

At the very least, talk about a sport that you know.

[Busyman]

You're not but tackling someone when they're about to score in soccer? Sounds like an excellent idea :ermm:

Keep reading those tactics books, Busy.
Well you are the one that said intentional contact in soccer is coowol. :cool:

[GepperRankins]

when i used to play at school, we could be as obstructive as we want but physical contact was out of the question

[manker]

Sure. Intentional contact occurs in a Basketball game to secure an advantage for a team - I think we've established that and its painfully obvious. However, it is not legal and definitely pinpoints a clear distinction between this sport and full contact sports.

In this instance full contact is tautologos and as such should be avoided as a term. Hence to distinguish from sports where contact is allowed, sports where intentional contact is not allowed are termed non-contact. This is not to say that people who call them non-contact sports are naive enough to think that there is no contact throughout the course of a game.
a. A player shall not hold, push, charge into, impede the progress of an oppo-nent by extending a hand, forearm, leg or knee or by bending the body into a posi-tion that is not normal. Contact that results in the re-routing of an opponent is a foul which must be called immediately.
b. Contact initiated by the defensive player guarding a player with the ball is not legal. This contact includes, but is not limited to, forearm, hands, or body check.

Dribbler:

a. A dribbler shall not charge into an opponent who has established a legal guarding position
b. If a defender is able to establish a legal position in the straight line path of the dribbler, the dribbler must avoid contact by changing direction or ending his dribble.

Summation:

If contact committed against a player, with or without the ball, is interpreted to be unnecessary, a flagrant foul--penalty will be assessed

Intentional contact is illegal in basketball. It is not in soccer. That's all I wanted to say and is sure as hell all I'm asserting. As you rightly say, I have no clue about basketball. That said, it seems as if I've taught you something.


Edit: I could have quoted the rules ages ago but you getting het up enough to underpin the opposing argument by calling someone on the interweb a new and fresh turd greatly entertains me.

[Busyman]

Sure. Intentional contact occurs in a Basketball game to secure an advantage for a team - I think we've established that and its painfully obvious. However, it is not legal and definitely pinpoints a clear distinction between this sport and full contact sports.

In this instance full contact is tautologos and as such should be avoided as a term. Hence to distinguish from sports where contact is allowed, sports where intentional contact is not allowed are termed non-contact. This is not to say that people who call them non-contact sports are naive enough to think that there is no contact throughout the course of a game.


Intentional contact is illegal in basketball. It is not in soccer. That's all I wanted to say and is sure as hell all I'm asserting. As you rightly say, I have no clue about basketball. That said, it seems as if I've taught you something.


Edit: I could have quoted the rules ages ago but you getting het up enough to underpin the opposing argument by calling someone on the interweb a new and fresh turd greatly entertains me.
........and I was waiting for teh googling.

What is considered illegal in basketball (the intentional fouls) are part of the strategy of the game.

This is where your book sense (or googlemeistering) doesn't meet up with your common sense.

You see I've played the game. I know your not allowed to push a person to steal the ball. You've added nothing.

Read up on fouls and their application and get back to me.

Also download a video of someone getting a blind-side pick and tell me about contact.

A posting player is allowed to back up to an opposing player. They just can't knock him down or "dislodge" him.

I was the one who established fouls as gaining an advantage for a team. I never said basketball was a full contact sport.

I said it was contact sport and it is.

If you want to technical, in soccer you are not allowed to hold, push, kick, trip, bludgeon opponents either so what are you talking about? Any legal contact is incidental.

In that case neither is a contact sport. :ermm:

I think contact sports involve contact. They don't have to involve tackling ffs.



Saying basketball it is not is like grouping it with tennis.

[GepperRankins]

tackling is contact, no doubt about that.


and why do americans have such a big problem with research?

[manker]

Oooh, how polite :happy:

I was the one who established fouls as gaining an advantage for a team. I never said basketball was a full contact sport.I've already demonstrated that full contact is tautological hence to distinguish where intentional contact is allowed it makes sense. You're arguing semantics, which is pointless.
If you want to technical, in soccer you are not allowed to hold, push, kick, trip, bludgeon opponents either so what are you talking about? Any legal contact is incidentalThat's just the thing; it's not incidental, it's intentional. That's the difference because it's perfectly legal. Also in soccer you are allowed to push, kick and trip your opponents. That's what happens, tho' not every time, when you make a legal tackle.


Now, I've not quoted the rest because either I agree or you've misunderstood what I wrote. Suffice is to say that my original, and only, assertion was that intentional contact is NOT allowed in basketball but is allowed in soccer -- quoting the rules established what I supposed.

That's really all I'm interested in, it's been borne out so I'm completely satisfied :)

[Busyman]

Oooh, how polite :happy:

I've already demonstrated that full contact is tautological hence to distinguish where intentional contact is allowed it makes sense. You're arguing semantics, which is pointless.
If you want to technical, in soccer you are not allowed to hold, push, kick, trip, bludgeon opponents either so what are you talking about? Any legal contact is incidentalThat's just the thing; it's not incidental, it's intentional. That's the difference because it's perfectly legal. Also in soccer you are allowed to push, kick and trip your opponents. That's what happens, tho' not every time, when you make a legal tackle.


Now, I've not quoted the rest because either I agree or you've misunderstood what I wrote. Suffice is to say that my original, and only, assertion was that intentional contact is NOT allowed in basketball but is allowed in soccer -- quoting the rules established what I supposed.

That's really all I'm interested in, it's been borne out so I'm completely satisfied :)
You still must play the ball in a legal tackle. If an NBA player blocks a shot and then knocks an opponent down (after blocking and in the same motion) it's considered a blocked shot, not a foul.

You brought up full contact in the first place. I originally had no interest in arguing it tbh.

[manker]

Oooh, how polite :happy:

I've already demonstrated that full contact is tautological hence to distinguish where intentional contact is allowed it makes sense. You're arguing semantics, which is pointless.
That's just the thing; it's not incidental, it's intentional. That's the difference because it's perfectly legal. Also in soccer you are allowed to push, kick and trip your opponents. That's what happens, tho' not every time, when you make a legal tackle.


Now, I've not quoted the rest because either I agree or you've misunderstood what I wrote. Suffice is to say that my original, and only, assertion was that intentional contact is NOT allowed in basketball but is allowed in soccer -- quoting the rules established what I supposed.

That's really all I'm interested in, it's been borne out so I'm completely satisfied :)
You still must play the ball in a legal tackle. If an NBA player blocks a shot and then knocks an opponent down (after blocking and in the same motion) it's considered a blocked shot, not a foul.

You brought up full contact in the first place. I originally had no interest in arguing it tbh.I only brought it up to illustrate why I, and others, don't use it.

Now, to tackle a player, the object is to get the ball. So of course the tackler has to play the ball, this goes without saying. The incidental contact you refer to isn't a parallel because intentional contact before, during or after a tackle is still allowed in soccer. This is not the case with the other.

I'm tired of this now, obviously intentional contact is allowed in soccer and isn't in basketball, you disputing it my point is futile because it's written in the rules.

[Busyman]

You still must play the ball in a legal tackle. If an NBA player blocks a shot and then knocks an opponent down (after blocking and in the same motion) it's considered a blocked shot, not a foul.

You brought up full contact in the first place. I originally had no interest in arguing it tbh.I only brought it up to illustrate why I, and others, don't use it.

Now, to tackle a player, the object is to get the ball. So of course the tackler has to play the ball, this goes without saying. The incidental contact you refer to isn't a parallel because intentional contact before, during or after a tackle is still allowed in soccer. This is not the case with the other.

I'm tired of this now, obviously intentional contact is allowed in soccer and isn't in basketball, you disputing it my point is futile because it's written in the rules.
In the rules of soccer, intentional contact before the ball is not legal. It is allowed by refs.

How could you tire of something that you intentionally made comment about just to get a response. Oh yeah, I've peeped that long ago.

For one thing, a tackle in football and soccer are entirely different. In football, it's intent is to knock a player down. In soccer it's stealing the ball....if the opposing player is knocked off balance during this...so be it. Seems incidental.

Player to player contact in a sport that involves that contact in it's strategy and affects outcome makes that sport a contact sport.

Tennis - no
Football - yes
Soccer - yes
Bowling - no
Golf - no
Basketball - yes

It's you who argue semantics.

You obviously don't understand the game of basketball yet I understand soccer. That much is captainobvious.

[manker]

In soccer you are allowed shoulder to shoulder contact before you make a tackle, 'k.

[manker]

Meh. I got a while before t'food is done.
In the rules of soccer, intentional contact before the ball is not legal. It is allowed by refs.

Actually it's legal, the refs allow it because it's legal and in the rules of the game.

How could you tire of something that you intentionally made comment about just to get a response. Oh yeah, I've peeped that long ago.

I'm just bored of it, I proved my point a while ago and I've no wish to give you more straws at which to grasp.

For one thing, a tackle in football and soccer are entirely different. In football, it's intent is to knock a player down. In soccer it's stealing the ball....if the opposing player is knocked off balance during this...so be it. Seems incidental.

Well, it depends, sometimes the only way to get the ball is by a sliding tackle whereby you have to knock a player off his feet to get the ball.

Player to player contact in a sport that involves that contact in it's strategy and affects outcome makes that sport a contact sport.

Like I said. I'm not talking about affecting the outcome, I'm talking about THE RULES.

In basketball you're not allowed to make intentional contact with another player, in soccer you are.

Tennis - no
Football - yes
Soccer - yes
Bowling - no
Golf - no
Basketball - yes

Even a handshake could, theoretically, determine the outcome. If a player offers one where it is not warranted then it's possibly gamesmanship and both players mindsets could be affected by this.

It's you who argue semantics.

I know I am but what are you. This line of reasoning is prevalent in your discourse - and it's a bit childish.

You obviously don't understand the game of basketball yet I understand soccer. That much is captainobvious.

I know I am but what are you. This line of reasoning is prevalent in your discourse - and it's a bit childish. Anyway, I understand the rules of soccer with perfect clarity, even the administrative/transfer side of the game.Yawn.

[Busyman]

Meh. I got a while before t'food is done.Yawn.
All this shit comes from you saying basketball isn't a contact sport yet contact is part of the sport and it's strategy.

You are wrong and everyone knows it.

Well, it depends, sometimes the only way to get the ball is by a sliding tackle whereby you have to knock a player off his feet to get the ball.

Like I said. I'm not talking about affecting the outcome, I'm talking about THE RULES.
Well, what you say regarding a sliding tackle is illegal.

[manker]

All this shit comes from you saying basketball isn't a contact sport yet contact is part of the sport and it's strategy.

You are wrong and everyone knows it.

Well, it depends, sometimes the only way to get the ball is by a sliding tackle whereby you have to knock a player off his feet to get the ball.

Like I said. I'm not talking about affecting the outcome, I'm talking about THE RULES.
Well, what you say regarding a sliding tackle is illegal.No it isn't.

[Busyman]

All this shit comes from you saying basketball isn't a contact sport yet contact is part of the sport and it's strategy.

You are wrong and everyone knows it.


Well, what you say regarding a sliding tackle is illegal.No it isn't.
Hmmm......what rules are you using? Australian?

[manker]

No it isn't.
Hmmm......what rules are you using? Australian?No, Busy. That's a different sport.


Say, do you agree that I copied and pasted correctly earlier? Cos that's what it boils down to.

[Busyman]

Hmmm......what rules are you using? Australian?No, Busy. That's a different sport.


Say, do you agree that I copied and pasted correctly earlier? Cos that's what it boils down to.
Would we agree....

book knowledge (or google) versus common sense. :wacko:

What different sport? :huh: I could have said Roman. I was being facetious.

[atiVidia]

The wizards are great, but ive got no clue what their stand is/was against the heat... what are they at now?

[Busyman]

The wizards are great, but ive got no clue what their stand is/was against the heat... what are they at now?
They lost.

They are down 0 - 3.

It was a great game but they fucked up. Shaq didn't play ffs. The Wizards made Alonzo look like Shaq. He had like 5 blocks. :(

I made a killing on tickets though. I bought extras and sold them at a premium. :naughty:

I'm going tonight as well. Game at 8pm. I don't think they'll sweep us.

[GepperRankins]

No, Busy. That's a different sport.


Say, do you agree that I copied and pasted correctly earlier? Cos that's what it boils down to.
Would we agree....

official rules versus what i made up. :wacko:

What different sport? :huh: I could have said Roman. I was being facetious.

sorry. that's just how i read it :shutup:

[Busyman]

Hmmm......what rules are you using? Australian?No, Busy. That's a different sport.


Say, do you agree that I copied and pasted correctly earlier? Cos that's what it boils down to.
tackles an opponent to gain possession of the ball, making contact with the opponent before touching the ball;

[Busyman]

Where's the broom? :(


:angry: :angry: :frusty:

[Busyman]

No, Busy. That's a different sport.


Say, do you agree that I copied and pasted correctly earlier? Cos that's what it boils down to.
tackles an opponent to gain possession of the ball, making contact with the opponent before touching the ball;
I forgot to add that's a penalty from FIFA rules. Maybe you don't use those.

Oh and unlike you (since I actually play the game) I don't need google but since you want to tell me about a game you know shit about, here ya go....

(1) A defender may apply contact with a forearm to an offensive player with the ball who has his back to the basket below the free throw line extend-ed outside the Lower Defensive Box.
(2) A defender may apply contact with a forearm and/or one hand with a bent elbow to an offensive player in a post-up position with the ball in the Lower Defensive Box.
(3) A defender may apply contact with a forearm to an offensive player with the ball at any time in the Lower Defensive Box. The forearm in the above exceptions is solely for the purpose of main-taining a defensive position.
(4) A defender may position his leg between the legs of an offensive player in a post-up position in the Lower Defensive Box for the purpose of main-taining defensive position. If his foot leaves the floor in an attempt to dis-lodge his opponent, it is a foul immediately.
many of the rules are written in general terms while the need for the rule may have been created by specific play situations. This practice eliminates the necessity for many additional rules and provides the officials the latitude and authority to adapt application of the rules to fit conditions of play in any particular game.

Since you captainobviously have never seen an NBA game (or else your argument is rather pointless) and want to use teh web to tell you whether basketball is a contact sport or not, the above blurb gives you a stiff STFU.
Next time don't just look for the word "contact" within a web page and roll with it.

If someone ever wants to put their child in a non-contact sport, don't just read the web about it. Watch a game.

You are in my pocket, once again. :dry:

[manker]

Are you alrite or what.

I've read what you've posted but I'm not sure of it's purpose. I think you're contending my assertion that a player can't make contact with another player before a tackle.

This is clearly nonsense.


Scenario:

A centre forward is running with the ball, his body shielding the ball from opposing players. A defender is running alongside him, shoulder to shoulder, trying to alter the centre forwards body-shape such that he can steal the ball. However the centre forward is too strong for him to do that so he makes a slide-tackle and knocks the ball for a throw-in.

So there you have it. Contact, just before the tackle.

If I've misunderstood your intention, please re-iterate it ad nauseum.



Btw, I don't get it. You deride me for googling and posting rules - saying that common sense and experience > rules and then you post some rules. Seriously, wtf :blink:

[Busyman]

Are you alrite or what.

I've read what you've posted but I'm not sure of it's purpose. I think you're contending my assertion that a player can't make contact with another player before a tackle.

This is clearly nonsense.


Scenario:

A centre forward is running with the ball, his body shielding the ball from opposing players. A defender is running alongside him, shoulder to shoulder, trying to alter the centre forwards body-shape such that he can steal the ball. However the centre forward is too strong for him to do that so he makes a slide-tackle and knocks the ball for a throw-in.

So there you have it. Contact, just before the tackle.

If I've misunderstood your intention, please re-iterate it ad nauseum.



Btw, I don't get it. You deride me for googling and posting rules - saying that common sense and experience > rules and then you post some rules. Seriously, wtf :blink:
Admittedly....

I know about shoulder to shoulder contact (or shoulder charge) however I did what you did...

You conveniently picked out rules that say no contact regarding basketball and left out rules that allow contact (even after I pointed out some reasons ffs)

In essence if soccer is a contact sport then so is basketball.
It's hilarious that you have nothing to say regarding contact in basketball. Maybe you should have watched a game before making comment.

Consider yourself cornered and pocketed. :lol: :lol: :lol:

[manker]

If you say it enough times, it'll be real.

[Busyman]

If you say it enough times, it'll be real.
To bad it's true....in every way in this case.

You shown yourself to be a "shit googler and lack common sense." :lol: :lol:

[manker]

Just because it's a new page, doesn't mean that what I stated on the last didn't happen.

I have no intention of reiterating. I am entirely satisfied with the assertions I made, you could not refute them, choosing instead to skirt around the issue and hurl insults - tho' your grandstanding bravado is commendable .. if you're into that sort of thing.

[Busyman]

Just because it's a new page, doesn't mean that what I stated on the last didn't happen.

I have no intention of reiterating. I am entirely satisfied with the assertions I made, you could not refute them, choosing instead to skirt around the issue and hurl insults - tho' your grandstanding bravado is commendable .. if you're into that sort of thing.
Oooh lord.

You made the assertion that basketball is a non-contact sport. If you have ever watched a game, you'd know this not be true. Yet you quoted rules saying there is no contact....b b b but there rules allowing contact clearly stated.

I then conveniently found rules in soccer not allowing contact but left out one's that do allow it.

The difference is I know soccer since I've played it (watched it). You obviously don't know basketball....which is cool. Keep to your one sport. ;)

[JPaul]

Wasn't he trying to rebut them (your assertions).

[JPaul]

Wasn't he trying to rebut them (your assertions).
That sentence actually doesn't make much sense, or at least the contraction doesn't.

Wasn't is a contracted form of " was not". Which would make the sentence "Was not he trying to rebut them ....

The first sentence in this post " .... doesn't make much sense ...." is fine, as doesn't in that context is a contraction for does not. Which would make the sentence " .... does not make much sense ....".

Point is that "Wasn't" as a contraction can't just be placed anywhere.

Please accept my apologies.

[manker]

You made the assertion that basketball is a non-contact sport.I went to great pains to explain what I was asserting. That wasn't it.

You can either go and read my posts or you can continue thinking the wrong thing, it's up to you.

[manker]

That sentence actually doesn't make much sense, or at least the contraction doesn't.

Wasn't is a contracted form of " was not". Which would make the sentence "Was not he trying to rebut them ....

The first sentence in this post " .... doesn't make much sense ...." is fine, as doesn't in that context is a contraction for does not. Which would make the sentence " .... does not make much sense ....".

Point is that "Wasn't" as a contraction can't just be placed anywhere.

Please accept my apologies.A valuable lesson that could possibly be extrapolated and applied to 'hasn't' and 'doesn't'. Thanks for that.

I also enjoyed your use of 'cabal' and 'schadenfreude' in the other thread.

[Busyman]

Wasn't he trying to rebut them (your assertions).
This all started with him saying basketball is a non-contact sport. I initially thought (giving too much credit again) that he was just trying to be funny but then realized he was serious.

I made the assertions about soccer not allowing contact to parallel his convenient rule pickins'.

He came in this thread hoping to get a squabble going. Unlike others with their precious threads....I don't mind. :rolleyes:

[manker]

Oh was that what I thought. Thanks for clearing it up, I had no idea.


Btw, good try but it's actually spelled parallel.

[Busyman]

I went to great pains to explain what I was asserting. That wasn't it.

You can either go and read my posts or you can continue thinking the wrong thing, it's up to you.
Either way it started with that.

Either way you were wrong. I said that folks that watch and/or play basketball were laughing at you 'cause it's captainobvious to them.

[Busyman]

Oh was that what I thought. Thanks for clearing it up, I had no idea.


Btw, good try but it's actually spelled parallel.
My mistake. :rolleyes: I meant to correct that but only corrected squabble.
I originally had squable.

Oh yeah I peeped that.....
It's a good thing basketball isn't all that physically demanding.
what with it being a non-contact sport.

But the physical part? Nah, I play soccer.

[manker]

Either way it started with that.

Either way you were wrong. I said that folks that watch and/or play basketball were laughing at you 'cause it's captainobvious to them.
I did wonder why you kept banging on about that despite my assertions, which were concise and easily understandable.

Now I see that you only choose to argue that which you you feel confident about, which is commendable and exactly the sort of thing I do. Now we just need to work on your humility, once that's sorted debates of which you're a part might actually go somewhere rather than the disputant wondering if you're reading anything other than your own posts.

[manker]

My mistake. :rolleyes: I meant to correct that but only corrected squabble.
I originally had squable.

Oh yeah I peeped that.....
It's a good thing basketball isn't all that physically demanding.
what with it being a non-contact sport.

But the physical part? Nah, I play soccer.
NPs on the error, it happens to to the best of us - I've first hand experience.

Shortly after I made that post, I explained exactly why I termed it non-contact. I take it that you're not calling my reasoning into question any more. Cool.

[Busyman]

I did wonder why you kept banging on about that despite my assertions, which were concise and easily understandable.

Now I see that you only choose to argue that which you you feel confident about, which is commendable and exactly the sort of thing I do. Now we just need to work on your humility, once that's sorted debates of which you're a part might actually go somewhere rather than the disputant wondering if you're reading anything other than your own posts.
Well the weird thing is I actually knew what I was talking about, on both sports.

You went off half-cocked. You assumed it was non-contact. I corrected you, citing experience playing and watching the sport. Still on your high horse, you cited google, and only looked for what bolstered your argument and ignored the rest of the website....so bad infact that the part citing contact was right under the part you cited. :blink:

It is easy to make mistakes. You were mistaken. Fair enough but sometimes trust that someone that plays the sport might know a little bit more about it than you before showing your ass.

Basketball is a contact sport. :)

Speaking of humility....

It's really difficult to argue when the other person is correct, isn't it.
Not sure if writing it twice will help you understand but I'm all for assisting your comprehension. It seems necessary 'cause sometimes if it's drummed in enough times, you seem to get it eventually.

This is the crux of the matter and what I'm trying to explain to you.

Let's put it another way 'cause frankly I don't think you'll understand it otherwise.
I think he was drunk.
That said, it seems as if I've taught you something.
you disputing it my point is futile because it's written in the rules.

Say, do you agree that I copied and pasted correctly earlier? Cos that's what it boils down to.

[Busyman]

My mistake. :rolleyes: I meant to correct that but only corrected squabble.
I originally had squable.

Oh yeah I peeped that.....

what with it being a non-contact sport.

But the physical part? Nah, I play soccer.
NPs on the error, it happens to to the best of us - I've first hand experience.

Shortly after I made that post, I explained exactly why I termed it non-contact. I take it that you're not calling my reasoning into question any more. Cool.
Actually yes I did. You read what you wanted to read to bolster your "no turning back" argument. When you put yourself out there so much it's hard take being humbled.

[manker]

Well the weird thing is I actually knew what I was talking about, on both sports.

You went off half-cocked. You assumed it was non-contact. I corrected you, citing experience playing and watching the sport. Still on your high horse, you cited google, and only looked for what bolstered your argument and ignored the rest of the website....so bad infact that the part citing contact was right under the part you cited. :blink:

It is easy to make mistakes. You were mistaken. Fair enough but sometimes trust that someone that plays the sport might know a little bit more about it than you before showing your ass.

Basketball is a contact sport. :)

Speaking of humility....

It's really difficult to argue when the other person is correct, isn't it.
Not sure if writing it twice will help you understand but I'm all for assisting your comprehension. It seems necessary 'cause sometimes if it's drummed in enough times, you seem to get it eventually.

This is the crux of the matter and what I'm trying to explain to you.

Let's put it another way 'cause frankly I don't think you'll understand it otherwise.
I think he was drunk.
That said, it seems as if I've taught you something.
you disputing it my point is futile because it's written in the rules.

Say, do you agree that I copied and pasted correctly earlier? Cos that's what it boils down to.:lol:

You just copied and pasted the best bits out of all of my posts on this matter. Cheers and well summarised.

[Snee]

Basketball is, per definition, a non-contact sport. I don't see what all the fuss is about.

Random (http://www.topendsports.com/sport/basketball/basics.htm) sites (http://www.maxim-magazine.co.uk/?%2Ftruthandlies%2Frelish%2Frelish.php%3Ffb%3D1%26id%3D14615) found (http://us.commercial.lifefitness.com/content.cfm/basketballstrengthandconditioningprogram) through (http://www.ideoplex.com/blog/2005/02/27.html) google all say the same thing. Since it's how people all over the world define it, why bother arguing the point?

I've played it, btw. 'twas all right, though it's hardly the best game in the world.

Nice to see your team have been doing all right though (at least at times), busy.

[Busyman]

Basketball is, per definition, a non-contact sport. I don't see what all the fuss is about.

Random (http://www.topendsports.com/sport/basketball/basics.htm) sites (http://www.maxim-magazine.co.uk/?%2Ftruthandlies%2Frelish%2Frelish.php%3Ffb%3D1%26id%3D14615) found (http://us.commercial.lifefitness.com/content.cfm/basketballstrengthandconditioningprogram) through (http://www.ideoplex.com/blog/2005/02/27.html) google all say the same thing. Since it's how people all over the world define it, why bother arguing the point?

I've played it, btw. 'twas all right, though it's hardly the best game in the world.

Nice to see your team have been doing all right though (at least at times), busy.
Oh jeez.....google AGAIN? :lol: :lol: :lol:

Dude you could propbably find sites that say basketball is a non-contact sport, a contact sport, a semi-contact sport and the same with soccer.
(I bet when you googled, you probably saw contact sport with basketball and didn't post it :ermm: )

If a website told you soccer was a non-contact sport, would you agree, or use your own brain? :blink:

Book knowledge versus common sense. :dry:

btw as I said before (regarding the Wizards), where's the broom?

They got swept by Miami (without Shaq for the Wizard's home games). :angry:

I think basketball is the best game probably due to it's rapid fire scoring.....there's a highlight almost every half-a-minute and I'm never disappointed. There is so much scoring and different ways that it happens that I'm usually exhausted at the end.

I like football but there can be much disappointment. I once went to game that ended in a tie at 7 and froze my ass off in nose-bleed seats. :angry:

[Snee]

Oh ffs, I said I've played it too, it isn't a contact sport and that's that, 'cos of the rules see, and no, I didn't find any sites that expressively said it was a contact sport, though I did find a somewhat bewildered-sounding fellow in a blog who might have an opinion in that direction, possibly, not really sure what he wanted to say. But I just picked a few at random, I've no doubt there are more people who don't read books, or the rules, so there are probably people out there who'd say it was a contact sport.

It really doesn't matter to me whether it is or not, but it's defined as a non-contact sport on the web, and so it was when I played it in school, and that wasn't just once.

I'm not really tall enough though, I did learn how to shoot all right, but I never got into the game.

One could argue that non-contact sports might require more skills. In contact sports, like hockey, it seems to me that a team can sometimes win through brute force, you can't do that with basketball, 'cos you aren't allowed to mangle the opposition. I dunno' about you but that's a good thing in my book.

Good for your team, though.

[Busyman]

Oh ffs, I said I've played it too, it isn't a contact sport and that's that, 'cos of the rules see, and no, I didn't find any sites that expressively said it was a contact sport, though I did find a somewhat bewildered-sounding fellow in a blog who might have an opinion in that direction, possibly, not really sure what he wanted to say. But I just picked a few at random, I've no doubt there are more people who don't read books, or the rules, so there are probably people out there who'd say it was a contact sport.

It really doesn't matter to me whether it is or not, but it's defined as a non-contact sport on the web, and so it was when I played it in school, and that wasn't just once.

I'm not really tall enough though, I did learn how to shoot all right, but I never got into the game.

One could argue that non-contact sports might require more skills. In contact sports, like hockey, it seems to me that a team can sometimes win through brute force, you can't do that with basketball, 'cos you aren't allowed to mangle the opposition. I dunno' about you but that's a good thing in my book.

Good for your team, though.
That's what I'm talking about. You read the rules and if you really understood the game dynamic (or watched an NBA game) you'd understand what I mean about contact.

When you played you might have called a foul at the slightest touch 'cause of the rules. However, that is not how the game is played. Did you learn about boxing out, posting a player, driving in for a basket when time is winding down to purposely get fouled, purposely fouling a player to stop the clock to make him shoot free throws to get the ball back? If I block a shot and knock a player down afterwards...it's not a foul, it's a block. If I miss the shot and knock him down, it's a foul.

I even said that if a person terms basketball as non-contact then soccer has to be as well.

If a parent is trying to get their child into a non-contact sport, I wouldn't recommend tennis or basketball. I'd recommend tennis.
My 2 torn ACL's, 1 torn meniscus, temporary blindness in one eye from an elbow, numerous blindside picks, sprained ankles, hip-pointers, bruised shins and thighs, knock downs, smacks, fractured and sprained (fat) fingers, and scratches won't allow a basketball recommendation. :dry:

I think that's the reason that this all makes me laugh.

Book knowledge versus common sense.

[Snee]

I figure the rules sort of define the game. Since you aren't really supposed to touch, officially, then it isn't a contact sport. But sure, inofficially you may get away with a certain amount of physical contact.

When I played football, tackles weren't allowed (I wasn't that old then) so at that point it wasn't really a contact sport either, what's different with proper footie as it's played by adults, and what makes footie different from basketball, is that the rules regulate what's proper and what is improper contact. That you can't punch someone, with or without him being in possesion of the ball, but that you can tackle him if he has the ball is something that's stated in the rules, the same isn't true for basketball.

I see physical contact in basketball more like insulting someone with the purpose of psyching them when playing football. You aren't really supposed to do it, but it still happens, as the refs can't really blow the whistle every time someone slips a little, or the game will never get played.

Contact or non-contact are just words anyway, and I don't reckon it's entirely possible to say exactly where one starts and another begins, so I'll go by what seems to be the official definition, if I'm uncertain. In this case though, I don't think it's a contact sport period.

Anyways, I don't really see one as inferior to the other of the two terms, and I don't really understand how I came to write this much about it. It's up to you if you wanna' re-write the dictionary, but I'm not sure how common sense comes into that.

[Busyman]

I figure the rules sort of define the game. Since you aren't really supposed to touch, officially, then it isn't a contact sport. But sure, inofficially you may get away with a certain amount of physical contact.

When I played football, tackles weren't allowed (I wasn't that old then) so at that point it wasn't really a contact sport either, what's different with proper footie as it's played by adults, and what makes footie different from basketball, is that the rules regulate what's proper and what is improper contact. That you can't punch someone, with or without him being in possesion of the ball, but that you can tackle him if he has the ball is something that's stated in the rules, the same isn't true for basketball.

I see physical contact in basketball more like insulting someone with the purpose of psyching them when playing football. You aren't really supposed to do it, but it still happens, as the refs can't really blow the whistle every time someone slips a little, or the game will never get played.

Contact or non-contact are just words anyway, and I don't reckon it's entirely possible to say exactly where one starts and another begins, so I'll go by what seems to be the official definition, if I'm uncertain. In this case though, I don't think it's a contact sport period.

Anyways, I don't really see one as inferior to the other of the two terms, and I don't really understand how I came to write this much about it. It's up to you if you wanna' re-write the dictionary, but I'm not sure how common sense comes into that.
Common sense comes in where by watching the game you can see there's contact.

Common sense comes in where by playing the game there's contact.

Book knowledge comes in where in the rules, there is contact allowed in basketball (shown earlier with the forearm thingie and also not shown is that the hand is part of ball). Also in the rules, or better yet not in the rules, it doesn't say too much about folks without the ball (Ever see 2 players fighting for position in a post?). It says nothing about a shooter being hit after his shot is blocked.

In soccer you are not allowed (according to the rules at least) to do anything besides shoulder-to-shoulder contact before touching the ball.

Common sense comes in where if the dictionary said basketball is a non-contact and yet your child comes home fucked up from contact, you'll be scratching your head instead of using the aforementioned...common sense.

Basketball is also slightly different in that penalties are part of play and game strategy.

If a known shit foul shooter is about to win the game on a dunk with time at the last second, it would smart to foul him purposely to increase your teams chances of winning. One fella on the Phoenix Suns (NBA Playoffs), Joe Johnson was going for a dunk, and Jerry Stackhouse of the Dallas Stackhouse fouled him and now Joe Johnson is out for the rest of the playoff season (he fell on his back).

This is the reason why simple reading is not the end all be all answer and a simple watch of the game tells the story rather easily (which I'm sure all of you have seen). :dry:

[RPerry]

btw as I said before (regarding the Wizards), where's the broom?

They got swept by Miami (without Shaq for the Wizard's home games). :angry:


Yeah, what happened there ? I was working for most of the games. I figured Miami would win the series with the Wizards ( I actually am picking them to win the championship), but wasn't figuring on another sweep.

[Busyman]

Yeah, what happened there ? I was working for most of the games. I figured Miami would win the series with the Wizards ( I actually am picking them to win the championship), but wasn't figuring on another sweep.
I still can't believe they played like that and a missing Shaq.

While at the games I did notice a trend in the foul calling in Miami's favor and I am really speaking from logical standpoint.

I look for stuff like that even if they miss a call against the Wizards.

You should have seen the number of times Wade went to the charity stripe.

The Wizards mounted an amazing comeback near the end of the last game. It was exciting as ever!!

Unfortunately we fell short. :(

If Miami plays this good without Shaq they are a shoe in to win the whole thing with him.

The rest of the contenders are in fierce battles.

Indiana/Detroit are tied at 2, San Antonio/Seattle tied at 2, Dallas/Phoenix tied at 2.....

Miami is now resting, Shaq has rested for their last 2 games...

And the way it looks, they will be resting for awhile. The others look to go the full 7 games.

Your team is now my favorite to win the whole thing as well. ;)

[manker]

If a parent is trying to get their child into a non-contact sport, I wouldn't recommend tennis or basketball. I'd recommend tennis.Yeah, same here :blink:

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Busy, I know I said I have no intention of re-iterating my point but you seem to be in a wonderful, magical world of your own where only your posts are relevant. Maybe you really did forget this.

No-one is saying that contact doesn't happen in Basketball. However, intentional contact is specifically forbidden by the rules. You keep saying about fouls - they're specifically forbidden by the rules too.

A player is forbidden from trying to gain an advantage by using contact, if he tries to do so, he will be penalised. This is what distinguishes it from soccer and other contact sports.

Surely - you cannot disagree with this :huh:

[Snee]

Busy, just because people manipulate a system it doesn't alter what the system is supposed to be if it works as it's intended.

If one sets a given system of rules as the norm, then how can circumventions of the rules be what the system is defined by?

I'll agree that basketball is a contact sport the day the rules say it is, and since they don't, yet, I don't.

[RPerry]

Your team is now my favorite to win the whole thing as well. ;)

Just wanted to let you know Miami wasn't my team, they were just my pick to win it all. Unfortunately, Orlando is my team ( yeah, the ones who drafted and lost Shaq) and I still have a love for the man who made The Magic good, if only to leave before we got our championship. I cannot gripe though, All of my teams have won championships recently ( with Atlanta Braves being the most distant) The others are The Buccaneers, and Tamap Bay Lightning

[Busyman]

Yeah, same here :blink:

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Busy, I know I said I have no intention of re-iterating my point but you seem to be in a wonderful, magical world of your own where only your posts are relevant. Maybe you really did forget this.

No-one is saying that contact doesn't happen in Basketball. However, intentional contact is specifically forbidden by the rules. You keep saying about fouls - they're specifically forbidden by the rules too.

A player is forbidden from trying to gain an advantage by using contact, if he tries to do so, he will be penalised. This is what distinguishes it from soccer and other contact sports.

Surely - you cannot disagree with this :huh:
Busy, just because people manipulate a system it doesn't alter what the system is supposed to be if it works as it's intended.

If one sets a given system of rules as the norm, then how can circumventions of the rules be what the system is defined by?

I'll agree that basketball is a contact sport the day the rules say it is, and since they don't, yet, I don't.

1) A defender may apply contact with a forearm to an offensive player with the ball who has his back to the basket below the free throw line extend-ed outside the Lower Defensive Box.
(2) A defender may apply contact with a forearm and/or one hand with a bent elbow to an offensive player in a post-up position with the ball in the Lower Defensive Box.
(3) A defender may apply contact with a forearm to an offensive player with the ball at any time in the Lower Defensive Box. The forearm in the above exceptions is solely for the purpose of main-taining a defensive position.
(4) A defender may position his leg between the legs of an offensive player in a post-up position in the Lower Defensive Box for the purpose of main-taining defensive position. If his foot leaves the floor in an attempt to dis-lodge his opponent, it is a foul immediately.

This is allowed and it used to gain an advantage by the poster and/or the person being posted.
It is contact.
It is not incidental.
It is intentional.

It just doesn't say, "This can be used to gain an advantage."

Book knowledge versus common sense.

Also Snny, fouls are intended to be a penalty yet it is not circumventing the system when a player purposely fouls another. It can be a penalty for the person fouled....yet the rules don't state this (yet it is within the rules).

Book knowledge versus common sense.

[Snee]

Do you think it becomes more true if you say it a lot?

What you are quoting means that the ref doesn't have to blow the whistle if it happens, not that the player should strive to do it. If he happens to come into contact with someone when he's trying to block them, 'cos they are moving against him, then that's cool, it doesn't mean that he's supposed reach out and touch someone on purpose.

More: Purposefully breaking the rules can't be part of the rules. You can't break a rule while acting within the rules, that isn't common sense, sorry.

[RPerry]

Do you think it becomes more true if you say it a lot?

IWhat you are quoting means that the ref doesn't have to blow the whistle if it happens, not that the player should strive to do it. If he happens to come into contact with someone when he's trying to block them, 'cos they are moving against him, then that's cool, it doesn't mean that he's supposed reach out and touch someone on purpose.

the disagreement here is becoming pointless. whether or not contact is allowed by the rules does not matter. Fact is it happens, and more often then you could ever imagine, and thats in the pro's. Atleast they are more careful of fouls, so they won't be ejected out of the game. Thats why one of my first posts was asking about pick-up games. If you play out here, you run a good chance of being injured. Most of the people I played with could care less about an "accidental elbow" to the face or anything else, because the was no ref out there making calls. Arguing over it isn't going to change the facts, especially since most of the people arguing have never played an organized game of Basketball in their life :rolleyes:

[manker]

:lol: :D

So contact is allowed for a defender as long as it's a really soft prod with a bent elbow or a forearm. Gawd, now I really think they're a bunch of sissy girls. From what I see there, that's all about a defender maintaining his position and not having to yield to the attacker.

It also says that ... these exceptions above ... .

This infers to me that the rule is that no intentional contact is allowed.

Surely, you're not going to let the exceptions over-ride the rule, are you. That really would be illogical.

[manker]

the disagreement here is becoming pointless.
Thanks for the ruling.

If you think another discussion that I'm involved with is in danger of becoming pointless, please ensure to let me know and I can take appropriate action.

[Snee]

the disagreement here is becoming pointless. whether or not contact is allowed by the rules does not matter. Fact is it happens, and more often then you could ever imagine, and thats in the pro's. Atleast they are more careful of fouls, so they won't be ejected out of the game. Thats why one of my first posts was asking about pick-up games. If you play out here, you run a good chance of being injured. Most of the people I played with could care less about an "accidental elbow" to the face or anything else, because the was no ref out there making calls. Arguing over it isn't going to change the facts, especially since most of the people arguing have never played an organized game of Basketball in their life :rolleyes:
I've played it, a lot. Multiple tournaments in two schools (and a lot of "unorganized" games as well).

And since there are only three of us "arguing" about it... :blink:

I agree though, the argument isn't going to change anything.


It won't change that the fact of the matter is that it isn't, according to the rules, a contact sport.
And the rules of the game go before how people break them, when defining the game. In fact, any breaking of the rules is outside the system, and shouldn't come into the definition of it.

That's just how it is. In fact, the "legal" contact in the game from busy's quotes, is referred to as exceptions, ie deviations from the norm, and last I checked no system was defined by whatever deviations from the norm existed within it.

[RPerry]

Thanks for the ruling.

If you think another discussion that I'm involved with is in danger of becoming pointless, please ensure to let me know and I can take appropriate action.

The only danger I see is the possibilty that you could be hit it the head with a basketball, and would argue it was soccer :rolleyes:

[manker]

The only danger I see is the possibilty that you could be hit it the head with a basketball, and would argue it was soccer :rolleyes:I guess you can play soccer with a basketball. So it's possible :unsure:

[RPerry]

I guess you can play soccer with a basketball. So it's possible :unsure:

:lol:

[Busyman]

:lol: :D

So contact is allowed for a defender as long as it's a really soft prod with a bent elbow or a forearm. Gawd, now I really think they're a bunch of sissy girls. From what I see there, that's all about a defender maintaining his position and not having to yield to the attacker.

It also says that ... these exceptions above ... .

This infers to me that the rule is that no intentional contact is allowed.

Surely, you're not going to let the exceptions over-ride the rule, are you. That really would be illogical.
Uh yeah just like it's a rule in soccer that you can knock down a player as long as you contact the ball first. :rolleyes:

Exceptions to a rule are just that. The exceptions in basketball allow contact.
That contact is actually used (more times) to the advantage of the offensive player.
He puts weight on the defensive players to get his position. He can spin off him, or fade away based on this.

This is intentional contact and it's in the rules. If the player is dislodged it's an offensive foul. Many players "flop" to get the call.

[Busyman]

Do you think it becomes more true if you say it a lot?

What you are quoting means that the ref doesn't have to blow the whistle if it happens, not that the player should strive to do it. If he happens to come into contact with someone when he's trying to block them, 'cos they are moving against him, then that's cool, it doesn't mean that he's supposed reach out and touch someone on purpose.

More: Purposefully breaking the rules can't be part of the rules. You can't break a rule while acting within the rules, that isn't common sense, sorry.
That's funny that you can't grasp that breaking this rule IS part of the rules. What happened is that since NBA.com didn't say, "Players can commit fouls to gain an advantage," you don't buy it. :lol: :lol:

You son gets hacked going to the basket, falls on his back, misses his foul shots and his team loses because of it.

You, the parent, complains that the other team broke the rules and shouldn't gain because of it....yet they did and you still are dumbfounded. :lol: :lol: :lol:
Hmmmm....the other team broke rules yet somehow played within the rules.....HOW THE FUCK IS THAT?

Book knowledge vs. common sense.

[manker]

Uh yeah just like it's a rule in soccer that you can knock down a player as long as you contact the ball first. :rolleyes:

Exceptions to a rule are just that. The exceptions in basketball allow contact.
That contact is actually used (more times) to the advantage of the offensive player.
He puts weight on the defensive players to get his position. He can spin off him, or fade away based on this.

This is intentional contact and it's in the rules. If the player is dislodged it's an offensive foul. Many players "flop" to get the call.So I take it from the green bit that you agree that the rule in basketball stipulates that no intentional contact is allowed. I am assuming that you don't believe that exceptions should be allowed to take precident over any general rules. 'Cause like I said, that's plain illogical.

Great stuff. Glad I could help.

[Busyman]

So I take it from the green bit that you agree that the rule in basketball stipulates that no intentional contact is allowed. I am assuming that you don't believe that exceptions should be allowed to take precident over any general rules. 'Cause like I said, that's plain illogical.

Great stuff. Glad I could help.
Wrap your head around it....

It seems the exception does allow contact.
It means a foul is not called when this contact is made.
It means it does take precedent over the general rules about contact.

It means you are wrong.

Great stuff. Glad I could help. :lol: :lol:

[manker]

So you do think that exceptions take precedence over the general rule.

Glad we're clear.


Seems little point in me taking this further, you simply will not listen to reason.

[Busyman]

So you do think that exceptions take precedence over the general rule.

Glad we're clear.


Seems little point in me taking this further, you simply will not listen to reason.
You say intentional contact is not allowed yet.....in this exception it is.

I don't need reason. I have common sense. It's right in front of your face.

You can't be that dense. An exception is a rule.

[manker]

I totally agree, you definitely don't need reason to argue a point.

I notice you hardly ever use it, certainly I've seen little evidence of it in this thread.

[Busyman]

I totally agree, you definitely don't need reason to argue a point.

I notice you hardly ever use it, certainly I've seen little evidence of it in this thread.
Whatever....it's just not your reason.

You threw google rules in front of my face yet when shown a rule that contradicts your point, you say it doesn't.

This is not opinion. It is fact.

Contact is allowed. Wrap your head around it. You are wrong and it the reason you skirt the captainobvious. :mellow:

[JPaul]

Firstly, just so we are clear, I find basketball tedious and wholly American. The whole idea of inventing a game that is ideal for TV and for people who must see a score every minute or so is bizarre to me. If it's all highlights then it has no highlights.

Secondly, the argument is really over the definition of what a contact sport is. Football is designed as such and the players are often in physical contact with each other. Probably most of the time defender touch-tight to attacker etc.

Basketball on the other hand has occasional contact, due to the fact that you have several really large men in a relatively small area. This is accepted as part of the game, as is deliberately conceding a foul. Otherwise known as cheating where I come from.

I would venture that football is a contact sport, basketball is a sport with some contact.

Thirdly, to define a game by it's rules is much more reasonable than to define it by "common sense".

Lastly, the NBA is the richest league in the world with all of the best players, however one does not have to watch the NBA to watch basketball. No more than one has to watch any specific league to watch association football.

[Busyman]

Firstly, just so we are clear, I find basketball tedious and wholly American. The whole idea of inventing a game that is ideal for TV and for people who must see a score every minute or so is bizarre to me. If it's all highlights then it has no highlights.

Secondly, the argument is really over the definition of what a contact sport is. Football is designed as such and the players are often in physical contact with each other. Probably most of the time defender touch-tight to attacker etc.

Basketball on the other hand has occasional contact, due to the fact that you have several really large men in a relatively small area. This is accepted as part of the game, as is deliberately conceding a foul. Otherwise known as cheating where I come from.

I would venture that football is a contact sport, basketball is a sport with some contact.

Thirdly, to define a game by it's rules is much more reasonable than to define it by "common sense".

Lastly, the NBA is the richest league in the world with all of the best players, however one does not have to watch the NBA to watch basketball. No more than one has to watch any specific league to watch association football.
Good post. However, in regards to basketball everywhere, deliberately fouling isn't cheating.

I guess watching and/or playing the game leads to my common sense thingie.

Weirdly enough, everyone here has seen a basketball game so my thought is that the common sense should kinda kick in. We aren't robots.

In the rules as well it states that refs have ultimate control over what is called.

many of the rules are written in general terms while the need for the rule may have been created by specific play situations. This practice eliminates the necessity for many additional rules and provides the officials the latitude and authority to adapt application of the rules to fit conditions of play in any particular game.

Regarding opinions of the sport, it's seems to be the fastest growing sport in the world. Watching soccer in contrast is tedious with very little highlights.

If I miss a soccer match (I have watched occasionally) I really could watch Sportcenter for 10 seconds and get the jist of what happened. Watching a game tie at 1 is tedious.

Watching a game where the Bulls mount amazing come back only to have..........

http://www.nba.com/media/wizards/arenas_wallpaper800_buzzer.jpg

Is hardly tedious.

To each his own.

[manker]

In essence, a ref deems what is intentional or not.Huzzah :01:

So if he decides intentional, it's a foul and therefore against the rules - apart from the exception. If he decides unintentional, no foul and therefore within the rules.

See. I knew we'd get there.

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Nice one, JP.

[Busyman]

Huzzah :01:

So if he decides intentional, it's a foul and therefore against the rules - apart from the exception. If he decides unintentional, no foul and therefore within the rules.

See. I knew we'd get there.

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Nice one, JP.
When you break rules is that cheating?

[JPaul]

Deliberately (if that is what you meant) breaking the rules is, in my opinion cheating.

The fact that it is accepted and part of the game changes this fact not one jot.

I don't subscribe to the whole "professional foul" thing. Deliberately breaking the rules, to seek an advantage is cheating.

This goes for any sport or game. Perhaps it's just because I have the Olympian spirit, rather than the "win at all costs" mentality.

[manker]

Depends.

If I mis-time a tackle in a genuine attempt to get the ball, that's not cheating. If I handle the ball on the line to prevent the ball crossing, then it's cheating.

Breaking the rules on purpose is cheating and worthy of derision, breaking the rules thro' lack of guile is not.

Anyway, why?

[manker]

hi2u, JP. It appears that we decided to post almost the same thing at more or less the same time. How fortunate that neither of us are devoid of the Olympian spirit.

We should engage in simultaneous back-slapage.

[JPaul]

How fortunate that neither of us are deviod of the Olympian spirit.

It is sad indeed that "win at all costs" has for many people replaced it.

[Snee]

Busy, I really think you could do with some of that dreaded book-learning you have such issues with.

Not only do you have problems with the definition of what a contact sport is, but you don't seem to understand the concept of rules either. It can't possibly be a rule that you should break the rules. Rules are meant to be followed, period. If teams in the NBA have made it a habit of determining the outcome of a game through un-sportsmanlike behavior/breaking the rules then that's up to them, it doesn't mean that it's acceptable according to the rules.

This is shaping up to be the silliest argument I've ever had online :lol:

[Busyman]

Deliberately (if that is what you meant) breaking the rules is, in my opinion cheating.

The fact that it is accepted and part of the game changes this fact not one jot.

I don't subscribe to the whole "professional foul" thing. Deliberately breaking the rules, to seek an advantage is cheating.

This goes for any sport or game. Perhaps it's just because I have the Olympian spirit, rather than the "win at all costs" mentality.
Well in basketball it isn't. Opinion doesn't change that fact.

It has nothing to do with win at all costs. This is why players must learn to shoot fouls shots. They aren't called free throws for nothin'.

The mere fact that you don't understand this explains the contact/non-contact doohicky.

I've never heard the term "professional foul" before. :blink:

[manker]

What an odd answer. So merely because players practice free-throws, breaking the rules on purpose isn't cheating. You do know that players practice penalty shots in all sports, don't you.

Excelled yourself there, mate.

[Busyman]

Depends.

If I mis-time a tackle in a genuine attempt to get the ball, that's not cheating. If I ha