World trade center video

[Smith]

Clicky (http://70.84.33.210/~infomedi/video/previews/170305martialpreview2.wmv)
Sorry its 30mb.

This vid has some interesting info on the trade center colapsing. Its very interesting, some stuff i never knew.

Well worth the download.

Sorry if its a repost :(

[GepperRankins]

despite the overwhelming evidence to suggest this is true and the official story is impossible, that's a wacky theory and you should be ashamed.

[Rat Faced]

Despite the fact that Bush's brothers contract finished that day, when no other planes were allowed in the air apart from the Saudi's, Bush wouldn't testify under oath, there were numerous eyewitnesses that helped the FBI load up the missing black-boxes and the fact that the damage by the planes was not enough to make them collapse... plus this additional taped evidence that the fires were under control and nearly out etc etc etc..

Even if they have found the Firefighters tapes that were suppressed...



I agree with GepperRankins that you should be ashamed for implying that there is a coverup. :snooty:

Its quite obviously something produced and made by some unpatriotic, anti-semetic, towel-head lover... :ph34r:






You know that those you have to convince would never, under any circumstances, actually watch video and audio evidence against there hero's.. :ph34r:

[GepperRankins]

i bet you could force them to watch it clockwork orange style and they wouldn't believe.

[Rat Faced]

i bet you could force them to watch it clockwork orange style and they wouldn't believe.


You could have them admit in court, with video of the planning and cackling at the millions they are gonna make.... and some people would still say they were being framed ;)

[Tikibonbon]

Despite the fact that Bush's brothers contract finished that day, when no other planes were allowed in the air apart from the Saudi's, Bush wouldn't testify under oath, there were numerous eyewitnesses that helped the FBI load up the missing black-boxes and the fact that the damage by the planes was not enough to make them collapse... plus this additional taped evidence that the fires were under control and nearly out etc etc etc..

Even if they have found the Firefighters tapes that were suppressed...



I agree with GepperRankins that you should be ashamed for implying that there is a coverup. :snooty:

Its quite obviously something produced and made by some unpatriotic, anti-semetic, towel-head lover... :ph34r:






You know that those you have to convince would never, under any circumstances, actually watch video and audio evidence against there hero's.. :ph34r:


So you are now blaming Bush for the deaths of the 3,000 people?

Granted, I am by no means whatsoever a supporter of Bush, but come now man. Are you finally going off the deep end?

[Rat Faced]

Have to admit... didnt think it'd be you...

http://www.randgraphics.org/photoshop/source_orca.jpg



And about Bush... he knew a lot more than he admits. Which is not the same as saying he is responsible ;)

[Tikibonbon]

I agree wholly that he knows a lot more. Obviously, in his position he would.

And I wasn't "fishing", I just typed what came to my mind after reading your post. Upon rereading, perhaps it was a bit silly, but anyways.

But I was wondering, are you or the person that makes the statement "wasn't enough damage to cause a collapse", capable of making this statement? What are the structural credentials for making this statement? I mean come on, it was A FRIGGIN' PLANE! They don't just doddle along the airways you knows.

Anyways, even if someone knew, whether Bush, or if it was still Clinton, or even H. Ross Perot, does it excuse the people who commited these acts since whoever knows things that the media doesn't have access to?

[GepperRankins]

it certainly doesn't excuse those who had it in their power to prevent it.

[Tikibonbon]

it certainly doesn't excuse those who had it in their power to prevent it.

Kinda like the London bombings, eh?

[GepperRankins]

i suppose, in a kind of not at all way.


howcome the important people were told to get off the WTC site. howcome WTC7 was already rigged to be demolished neatly. howcome the owner admitted this. it was obvious that someone on "our" side knew about 11th september before, so it could have been prevented.

apparently the london bombings were by a few people who could easily keep their plan secret. there was nothing special about the day they happened.


so who had it in their power to prevent the london bombings?


edit: unless the london bombs were part of a well written play :rolleyes:

[LegendaryU2K]

Nobody has power to prevent violence, only GOD, not man. Please try understanding that. If you think man can protect you , then i guess yal need to stop sleeping under the rock and crawl out and take a close look at the world and outside of the world.

And who gives a **** about some damn towers. Thats the thing that bother me alot on that day, people going around and being more concern about some damn buildings then people lives, shame on you humans.

[GepperRankins]

rodding was cool until everybody started doing it :dry:

[DanB]

Nobody has power to prevent violence, only GOD, not man. Please try understanding that. If you think man can protect you , then i guess yal need to stop sleeping under the rock and crawl out and take a close look at the world and outside of the world.

:lol:


so where has he been while all this stuff has been happening?

[Tikibonbon]

And who gives a **** about some damn towers.

I would imagine the 3k people who died in it, and their families and friends.

Dave, you might want to learn more about the believed "mastermind" behind the July 7 bombing. Seems he has more then a few dealings with MI6. Enough they sent him to the U.S. in 1999 for firearms and poison training.

You might want to ring up the Sheffield bus folks and ask them why all buses were delayed for more than a hour after being rerouted back to the depot to be checked for bombs, this on TUESDAY morning. Tuesday being the 5th. And also ask them of the news black out about the threats and why police were stopping red Suburus all over the city.

Did government officials in Sheffield and possibly other cities heed the warning that Blair chose to ignore?

[Smith]

Still, even if this isnt one big conspiracy, why would they demo the 7th building?

[Tikibonbon]

And what is up with some of the photos of one of the suspected bombers?

Take a look:

http://www.infowars.com/images2/London_attacks/250705fake3.jpg

http://www.infowars.com/images2/London_attacks/250705fake.jpg

http://www.infowars.com/images2/London_attacks/250705fake2.jpg

[cpt_azad]

wtf, some messed up pics u got there :blink:

[GepperRankins]

i'll read into it. i'd say those photos were just accidents of the light though

[Busyman]

I heard some of the same conspiracy theories about building 6.

I heard conspriracy theories about the North and South Towers as well.

I believe in heart that the plane in PA was shot down.......and that is was justified.

I don't believe Bush would be involved in a plot to bring down the towers...which allows the formation of the Patriot Act and segways to Iraq and probably more....that's just mad talk and I can't believe anyone has suggested it. :unsure:

If that's all true then Bush is truly Darth Sidious. Check the paralells.
Let's see if he votes himself in for more terms.

Maybe there will be some sudden national crisis during election time that prohibits...well...the election.

Anti-Christ like indeed.

I hope I'm not killed for writing this like the movie The Pelican Brief.

The Anti-Christ will claim to be devoutly religious and will have many followers based on his supposed belief.

Maybe there are movies chronicling this stuff on the humble.

In the Omen, Damian was sheperded through by people who knew who he was. The same with Rosemary's Baby.

A man that was supposed to strenghen our military but has greatly weakened it...unnecessarily. :tank:

Oh come heed fortheth and whatnot. The Tribulations are coming!!!!

:fear2: :sneaky: :devil: Muahahahahaha!!! :devil: :sneaky: :fear2:

[ziggyjuarez]

But fuck the mass media it’s lame like leprosy// it’s faker then a fame seeking celebrity// just turn the news off it’s just bs Government propaganda complicity// here’s one thing they don’t talk about, it was covered up instantly// it’s not given any air-time although the government say “it’s collapse is a mystery”// Cus it was hit by no plane// but at 5:20pm still fell all the same// 6.5 seconds straight down playing gravity, like it's a game// the 47 story collapse of WTC 7 is the name// to this lil rhyme that’s got no ticket to fame// cus the mass media has been locked down all the same// by the Bush-government who can not take the blame// cus that would be un-patriotic for a county that’s vain// despite the fact that the building had a CIA domain// with bullet proof windows on two floors// internal air and water supply, Iris scan doors// a sophisticated building with really no engineering flaws//
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/SMALL_wtc-7_1_.gif(WTC7)
[color=blue]The truth is 9/11 was a messy inside job, they fucked up at every stage// like the wrong house busted in a police drug raid// with clues literally littered everywhere like a ticker-tape parade// but the propaganda so skilfully conducted using the power the media has to persuade// switching the peoples attention to fanatical Islamists like a mixer cross-fade!

[Busyman]

In the Omen, Damian was sheperded through by people who knew who he was. The same with Rosemary's Baby.

Damien was in Rosemary's Baby? :huh:
Good point.

The baby was sheparded through in uh..Rosemary's Baby. :lol: :lol:

[ziggyjuarez]

Ok, this is to all of the people who still believe 9/11 was the work of 19 Arabic Hijackers and an operation entirely masterminded by Osama Bin Laden, mainly because he hates our freedom’s and disagrees with American Liberalism. Despite all of their hard work, the United States Government simply could not see the attack coming.

When one considers all of the hardcore facts, there is no way this excuse holds even a grain of truth in it. The official story is impossible and simply does not stand up to scrutiny. Even more laughable is the excuse given by government officials that it was simply a "failure of intelligence" and the attack could not be averted. Politicians should not even form their mouths to even use an incompetence excuse. Warnings were received by the US by at least 18 other countries, and agents in the CIA, and the FBI were warned. The FAA got warnings too. In fact,

Prior Knowledge:

CIA had high-jacker details (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/3516233.stm)
Taliban warned the US of huge attack (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/2242594.stm)
FBI warned of plot to high-jack planes in 1995 (http://archives.cnn.com/2001/US/09/18/inv.hijacking.philippines/index.html)
FBI warned of Suspicious flight student last year (http://www.thedossier.ukonline.co.uk/Web%20Pages/FOX%20NEWS_FBI%20Agent%20Warned%20of%20Suspicious%20Flight%20Students%20Last%20Summer.html)CIA ignorned warnings of Al-Queda (http://www.thedossier.ukonline.co.uk/Web%20Pages/FINANCIAL%20TIMES_CIA%20'ignored%20warning'%20on%20al%20Qaeda.htm)
US knew of Suicide highjack threat in 1995 (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,47133,00.html)
The airlift of evil (http://www.thedossier.ukonline.co.uk/Web%20Pages/MSNBC_The%20airlift%20of%20evil.htm)
Threat of US attacks passed Taliban weeks before the attacks (http://www.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,3604,556254,00.html)
US clamps secrecy on attacks before 911 (http://www.thedossier.ukonline.co.uk/Web%20Pages/NEWS%20DAY_US%20Clamps%20Secrecy%20on%20Warnings%20Before%209-11.htm)


It seems that there were so many warnings, that


"The information provided by European intelligence services prior to 9/11 was so extensive that it is no longer possible for either the CIA or FBI to assert a defence of incompetence." Micheal Meacher, Tony Blairs former environmental advisor until 2003. London Guardian (http://politics.guardian.co.uk/iraq/comment/0,12956,1036687,00.html)

In addition to these Government officials and other people received individuals warnings as well. Mayor Willie Brown of San Francisco was warned a full eight hours before the attack not to fly on 911, author Salmon Rushdie was publicly banned from flying before 911, and John Ashcroft former Attorney General stopped flying commercially six months before 911. Even some people working inside of the towers got instant messages, telling them to evacuate the WTC.

We must ask ourselves, where did all this prior knowledge come from, and why was it all ignored? Is it possible for that this much information of this magnitude of importance to get tangled up in a beaurecratic web of telephone lines? The answer is NO, people in side of the Trade Towers got INSTANT MESSAGES telling them the buildings were going to be destroyed two hours before it happened. You’re going to tell me someone can get an INSTANT MESSAGE to someone inside the World Trade Center two hours before the attack, but no one can get the message to the President of the United States? Impossible, this is the equivalent to saying people who work in the WTC have access to better inteligence than the president does. Someone calls up calls Mayor Willie Brown eight hours before the attack, and tells him not to fly, BUT THEY CAN'T CONTACT THE AIR TRAFFIC CONTROLERS AND WARN THEM AHEAD OF TIME?!??!

Sources:

Odigo Says Workers Were Warned of the Attack (http://www.haaretzdaily.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=77744&contrassID=/has%5C)
San Francisco Chronicle - Mayor Willie Brown got Low-Key Warning about Air Travel (http://www.sfgate.com/today/0912_chron_mnreport.shtml)
The Truth Seeker-Condi Lisa Rice Warned Willie Brown and Told him not to fly on 911 (http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=1000)
CBS News - Ashcroft Flying High (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2001/07/26/national/main303601.shtml)


In addition there are over 600 smoking gun holes and unanswered questions in the official story of 911; I'm only going to scratch the surface, w/ some of the main ones.

First thing is the NORAD stand down order.

"The first hijacking was suspected at not later than 8.20am, and the last hijacked aircraft crashed in Pennsylvania at 10.06am. Not a single fighter plane was scrambled to investigate from the US Andrews airforce base, just 10 miles from Washington DC, until after the third plane had hit the Pentagon at 9.38 am. Why not? There were standard FAA intercept procedures for hijacked aircraft before 9/11. Between September 2000 and June 2001 the US military launched fighter aircraft on 67 occasions to chase suspicious aircraft" (AP, August 13 2002)
guardian, once again (http://politics.guardian.co.uk/iraq/comment/0,12956,1036687,00.html)

NORAD completely stood down, this is a clear violation of FAA flight regulations, and NORAD could have probably stopped the attack, at least partially. The morning of 911 NORAD was training in a war game of flying hijacked aircrafts into buildings ON the Morning of 911. On the Morning of 911??!?! Yep, the drill stopped just 50 minutes before the Hi-Jacking began. No wonder there was no Military Response, NORAD was told that the planes being Hijacked were just part of a drill. That's why they stood down.

What are the chances of this happening? It's just a coincidence that they were running a war-game drill, mirroring the same monumental event to be documented in history books for centuries? Of course it’s possible, but very VERY unlikely.

This is so weird to have happened, and even weirder is the fact that this type of a wargame is going on the morning of 911. This type of event would be simmilar to seeing Oswald and the CIA training how to kill Kennedy in Dealy Plaza an hour before it happened.

Yahoo News - Agency planned exercise on Sept. 11 built around a plane crashing into a building (http://www.thedossier.ukonline.co.uk/Web%20Pages/YAHOO%20NEWS_Agency%20planned%20exercise%20on%20Sept%2011%20built%20around%20a%20plane%20crashing%20into%20a%20building.htm)
USA Today - NORAD has drills to use jets as weapons (http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2004-04-18-norad_x.htm)
Associated Press - Exercise built around crashing planes into buildings (http://www.boston.com/news/packages/sept11/anniversary/wire_stories/0903_plane_exercise.htm)



In addition, the list of the 19 hijackers and their picture identification was assembled and aired just hours after the attack. How do we jump to the accusations that 19 suspects are guilty of 3,000 American murders when most, if not all of the evidence, is twisted metal and degenerated ashes that used to be people? Actually by the time the hijackers had their mug shots aired on TV, all of the crime scenes had been destroyed. Buildings one and two collapsed, as well as the mysterious building seven collapsing on its own, the plane that hit the pentagon decentegrated, and flight 93 was likely shot down, hours later we miraculously post all of their mug shots on the news? Damn, we must be good.

So how exactly did the United States leap to their allegations of guilt?

A travel bag belonging to one of the 911 hijackers was found at the airport after the attacks, absolutely ruling beyond any doubt, that this was the work of Al-Queda.

Question: Why would a hijacker, planning to commit suicide, even BRING A BAG? Let alone pack it w/ incriminating evidence sure to unleash a fire storm of military hell on all of his fellow Mid Eastern people? The bag contained enough evidences to precisely tie the perpetrators to the Taliban and Al-Queda justify the assault in Afghanistan.


Answer: this is MANUFACTURED EVIDENCE


Now BBC has began running stories that many of these men have shown up as being still alive. The 911 Hijackers steal our planes to suicide attack us because were apparently not in sync with what the Qu'ran says, and then they show up still being alive. So that means that at least five of the men on the hi-jackers list cannot be the same men who were on the plane. But the government has stuck to their official story on this, and no one in the mainstream media has ever brought this up, or challenged them on it. Many of the hijackers are now appearing on television in their countries and professing their innocence. A lot of information like this has been circulating around other parts of the world, and it is likely part of the reason why America's image has dropped from negative to terrible. Most people in other countries know this is going on, but Americans are sleeping.


The Truth is unleashed in other parts of the world but it’s concealed from American eyes as a way to demonize Americans to the rest of the world, while American media demonizes the rest of the world (particularly Arabs) to America, this is a way of polarizing both side to inspire conflict on both sides.

Sources:


High JAck Suspects alive and well (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/1559151.stm)
High Jack Suspects Alive in Morroco (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/1558669.stm)


Bombs in the Towers


http://www.prisonplanet.tv/images/may2004/050504collapse.jpg

___ This next part is important, because it's hardcore vissual evidence of government involvement in 9/11 and is nearly impossible to deny.

Building seven, first of all, was the third building to collapse within the World Trade Center Complex. According to the government’s official story, building seven was destroyed from fire, along with buildings one and two.

Videos Show Building 7's 6.5 second symmetrical collapse

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/SMALL_wtc-7_1_.gif

First of all it’s important to say that fire has never once brought a steel structure down. Out of 100 uncontrolled fires in the last 50 years NEVER has fire collapsed a steel building, only earthquakes and explosives have been able to flatten these modern structures.

So, why is building seven so significant? It’s important because building seven collapsed without being struck by an airplane or anything else, almost as if it were the wind that knocked it over.

Several videos have been salvaged which show building seven's collapse and shocking evidence has surfaced from scrutiny.

CBS Broadcast of Buildinding Seven's fall - Dan Rather admits it looks like Explosives (http://www.wtc7.net/vdocs/wtc_7_cbs.mpg)
Building Seven's Collapase from a mile away (http://wtc7.net/vdocs/wtc7_collapse.mpg)
Building Seven's Colapse from 1000 feet away, this is very obvious (http://www.wtc7.net/vdocs/wtc7_collapse2.mpg)

You see, building seven DECENTEGRATED INTO RUBBLE in a vertical symmetrical fashion in 6.5 seconds. If building seven was taken down by an aircraft impact (even though it was not) it would have thrown back horizontally, transferring the energy away from the airplane impacts. And if it was fire, eventhough the flames would have had to have burnt exponentically hotter for a much longer time, we would have seen the structure reduced into liquid metal, and the streets would be a river of flame. But this building simply fell straight to the ground and crumbled.

I need to explain something about controlled demolition. First of all, when buildings are demolished the explosives are placed in the central column, so the structure falls inwards and does not damage other surrounding buildings. So they only way the building can fall like this or fall period is through the use of explosives.

THE FEMA REPORT ON WORLD TRADE CENTER 7 COLLAPSE IS A TOTAL JOKE. (http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/fema_report.html)

http://wtc7.net/docs/streamers.jpg

“Each of the following videos shows the entire visible portion of the building falling with a vertical precision otherwise seen only in controlled demolition. Moreover, they show that the collapse took only about 6.5 seconds from start to finish. That rate of fall is within a second of the time it would take an object to fall from the building's roof with no air resistance”

http://www.propagandamatrix.com/WTCDemol.jpg

http://www.propagandamatrix.com/WTC-bomb-frame048enhanced.jpg

BUT, building seven is even more important because the offical story of building seven collapse is because it was damaged from fire, HOWEVER, Larry Silverstine the owner of buildings one, two, and seven, got on televiosn on America Rebuilds on PBS, and slipped up, ADMITTING, THAT HE BLEW UP BUILDING SEVEN, He Said "WE PULLED THE BUILDING!" Here's the video from the PBS documentary.

http://infowars.com/Video/911/wtc7_pbs.WMV

Here's another clip where a demolitions expert describes "PULL IT" As a controlled demolition.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/pullit2.mp3

NOW, it's extremely important to mention that rigging buildins with explosives is a tiresom and very time consuming process, and to properly plant explosives in amathematicaly harmonious fasion to create a smooth symetrical drop. Actually it would take weeks to prepare for the demolition. So not only does Larry Silverstine, the owner of the complex admit to blowing up building seven, But building seven COULD NOT have been demolished on such short notice. Weeks of demolitions planning does not jive well with Osama's suprise attack. In fact it's impossible.

Another particularly important part of this is to note that Towers one, two, and seven have all of the 10 chartecteristics of a controlled demolition, a building collapseing from fire and plane impact damage having one of the charecteristics of controlled demolition is astronomically rare, the chances of this damage haveing all 10 charecteristics of a controlled demolition and not being a controled demolition is next to nil. These charecteristics are.

1. Each collapse occurred at virtually free fall speed;
2. Each building collapsed straight down, for the most part onto its own footprint;
3. Virtually all the concrete was turned into very fine dust;
4. In the case of the Twin Towers, the dust was blown out horizontally for 200 feet or more;
5. The collapses were total, leaving no steel columns sticking up hundreds of feet into the air;
6. Videos of the collapses reveal "demolition waves", meaning "confluent rows of small explosions";
7. Most of the steel beams and columns came down in sections that were no more than 30 feet long;
8. According to many witnesses, explosions occurred within the buildings;
9. Each collapse was associated with detectable seismic vibrations (suggestive of underground explosions);
10.Each collapse produced molten steel (which would be produced by explosives), resulting in "hot spots" that remained for months.?

Source:

Professor David Ray Griffin
http://www.rbnlive.com/absentia_trial.html

Good lookin to Dem Bruce Lee Stylez, and his MIGHTY nine eleven thread right here (http://immortal-technique.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=4020&st=0)

Historical Comparison

http://www.historyproject.net/images/vol01/28-1125a.jpg

----The Burning of the Reichstag



In 1933 Adolph Hitler wanted to seize dictotorial powers and turn Germany into a police state. So he set the massive governmental building on fire, that is known as the Reichstag (German Parliament) the blazing infernos sent the population into a state of petrified fear. Adolph Hitler and his party won by a landslide in the election just weeks later and later on was able to merge the Chancellor’s powers with that of the Presidents, and this is the origin of where his dictatorial power came from. Hitler also blamed the terrorist attack on the communists, and recived a pretext, or a reason, to attack them.


The real Pretext

Hitler’s conspiratorial tactic of burning the Reichstag to receive dictatorial power, and a pretext to attack his enemies is a method that is known as the Hegelian Dialectic, which is translated simply as problem, reaction, solution. The Hegelian Dialectic is a tactic that was developed by the 19th century German philosopher George Wilhelm Fredric Hegel. The way this works is, you create a crisis, the population is thrown into fear, and then you, the creator of the crisis, step in with a pre-organized solution, and pose as the savior. As soon as 911 occurred, literally while the smoke was still streaming from the building, politicians began targeting us with Doublethink approaches to get us to give up our freedom for security.

I don't want to digress too much, but this is important.

Doublethink is the practice of misrepresenting something bad as something good, such as pushing identity theft propaganda in order to get the people wanting a national ID card. This was the phrase coined in George Orwell's book 1984, which psychologically persuaded the population to relinquish there freedom unto big brother and simultaneously be happy about it. We see doublethink utilized daily by politicians.

The Hegelian Dialectic fused with the double think approach has given ruthless men an unbelievably effective tactic of power consolidation. But this time it's bigger,

http://www.redrat.net/BUSH_WAR/New-World-Order.jpg


PNAC(Project For a New American Centeury

The Project for a New American Century (PNAC) was founded by Dick Chenney, Donald Rumsfeld, Paul Wolfowitz, Lewis Libby and others in 2000. This is a pro-globalization neo-con think tank. On his website Dick Cheney lays out a Blueprint for America to invade many of it's neighbors and construct a "global command and control system" Cheney sites Syria, Libya, and North Korea as terrorist regimes, and uses their existence to justify invasions and restructuring there powers under a Pax America. It's strange, earlier in the year, Rumsfeld was selling Nuclear Reactors to North Korea. Now he's sitting in meetings at PNAC calling them a dangerous regime. HaHa, who made them more dangerous, Mr. Rumsfeld?
This document also mentions that public support would be very difficult to rally for these upcoming wars, and that a "Pearl Harbor Like Attack" would be very helpful. Now this is a public document, saying we need helpful Pearl Harbor attacks, that's motive, and practically admittance.

Sources:

PNAC offical site (http://www.newamericancentury.org/) read the documents.
Meacher talks about PNAC too (http://politics.guardian.co.uk/iraq/comment/0,12956,1036687,00.html)
Guardian UK - The Two Faces of Rumseld (http://www.guardian.co.uk/korea/article/0,2763,952289,00.html)

Not only this, but


"the US and the UK, are running dangerously low on hydrocarbon energy supplies. And by 2010 the Muslim world will control as much as 60% of the worlds oil production, and 95% of the remaining exportable oil. "

Protecting oil supplies in a crisis (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/937573.stm)
Taliban to Texas for Oil Talks (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/west_asia/36735.stm)
Bottom of the Barrel, the world is runnin out of oil, why do Politicans refuse to talk about it? (http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,3604,1097622,00.html)
Threats of US to strike Taliban weeks before the attacks (http://www.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,3604,556254,00.html)



Cui Bono(Who Benefits?)
Bush restricts 911 probes (http://www.thedossier.ukonline.co.uk/Web%20Pages/WASHINGTON%20POST_Bush%20Seeks%20To%20Restrict%20Hill%20Probes%20Of%20Sept%2011.htm)Top Taladan leader freed by US (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2003/10/09/wtal09.xml)
911 study hindered (http://www.sptimes.com/2002/05/09/Worldandnation/Graham__911_study_hin.shtml)
Bush trying to hide 911 information (http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/news/nation/5993628.htm)
911 documents to sensitive for realse (http://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/10/27/bush.911/)
Bush discourages 911 investagations (http://archives.cnn.com/2002/ALLPOLITICS/01/29/inv.terror.probe/)
Times of India - Bush took FBI agents off the Trail of Bin Ladens (http://www1.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/cms.dll/articleshow?art_id=1030259305)
Guardian UK - Agent Blasts FBI over 11 Sept 'cover up' (http://observer.guardian.co.uk/waronterrorism/story/0,1373,722426,00.html)


Goes on and on


Prominent 911 whistle blowers

One might wonder, if all of this evidence which literally swiss chesses the offical story being in existene, why has there not been more of an outcry about it? Well, there has, famous people all over the world have been questioning and exposeing the 911 coverup.

Micheal Meacher MP, former enviromental advisor in the British Government - This War on Terrorism is Bogus
former UK Government Minister speaks out about the standdown of NORAD on September 11th, PNAC and the pre-planned wars in Afghanistan and Iraq.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,...1036571,00.html (http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,3604,1036571,00.html)
http://www.prisonplanet.tv/audio/070204meacher.htm

Andre Van Buelow
Von Buelow is the former German Defense Minister and Minister of Technology. Von Buelow went public to say the US government carried out 9/11. His book is one of the bestsellers across Europe.
http://www.prisonplanet.com/021104vonbuelow.html
http://www.prisonplanet.com/020804vonbuelow.html

Robert Wright, FBI special Agent,
http://www.prisonplanet.com/FBI_agent_I_wa...error_probe.htm (http://www.prisonplanet.com/FBI_agent_I_was_stymied_in_terror_probe.htm)

Cynthia Mckinney (Representative D-GA) Grills Rumsfeld on wargames going on the morning of 9/11, he does not deny
http://www.infowars.com/articles/us/mckinn...ls_rumsfeld.htm (http://www.infowars.com/articles/us/mckinney_grills_rumsfeld.htm)

Morgan Reynolds, (former chief economist for the Department of Labor during President George W. Bush's first term) says 911 Offical story is a fruad
http://washingtontimes.com/upi-breaking/20...02755-6408r.htm (http://washingtontimes.com/upi-breaking/20050613-102755-6408r.htm)
http://www.lewrockwell.com/reynolds/reynolds7.html
http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=44787


AND, Jimmy Walters the billionaire activist has gone so far as to, run commericals on televission, showing the evidence behinde building seven, and has also offered a $100,000 reward to any enginner who can proove that the towers fell the way they were said to have fallen in the offical story.

http://inn.globalfreepress.com/modules/new...hp?storyid=1013 (http://inn.globalfreepress.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=1013)
September 11 conspiracy theorist offers prize - Reuters (http://reopen911.org/Yahoo!%20News%20-%20September%2011%20conspiracy%20theorist%20offers%20prize.htm)






Summary:


911 was such a cataclysmic event, it galvanized both the idiots and the intellectuals of America into a flag waving frenzy for nearly five years. 911 has become a never ending excuse to fight any war over seas, and implement any authoritarian rule domestically. Politicians were so quick to exploit this event, jumping in there tanks and battle suits while rushing 1000 page bills through the Senate and House. One has to wonder, why the knee jerk reaction of this attack was to shift into throwing a doublethink deception at the people, telling them to give up freedom for liberty before the smoke had yet to even clear from the air.

Giving up freedom for Liberty is a False Paradigm. No Liberty = Tyranny.

As the Roman judges used to say when a crime was committed, “key bono?”, or who benefits? The globalists who masterminded this attack want authoritarian control of America, invasion into uncontrolled Arab states, and overall a world climate that is so dangerous and unstable, the people will beg them for a one world government. A government ruled by them. Order out of chaos.

I've developed quite a case here, and I think my arguments are supported extremely well, even without all of my information on the towers; this is very strong evidence that we are being lied too, almost on a daily basis. Most of this literally proves the official story is a fraud and there's a lot of things I chose not to talk about, like 100s of Al-Queda and Taliban being flown out after 911, Insider trading right before 911, or Bush pulling FBI agents off of the Trail of the Bin Laden right before 911 (Edit: I did touch on that) and signing documents to protect them. However I've come to the conclusion that in this instance, the problem is there is actually TOO MUCH evidence here, so I won't even bother with the links for my last claims.

If you think I've made a compelling case, than I urge you learn more about this, because if I'm even remotely correct, and this New World Order aka the "Global Union" is created, by the same creatures who carried out this attack, I don't think your going to want to live under the tyranny grids they've constructed for you. I'm not charging the government with carrying this out, but these Rogue elements with tentacles into our government, who live in families who are worth five times as much as our countries annual budget. If you look more into this, I know you'll see that what I'm saying is true, this is what has happened with me. So please spread this thread around as much as you can, watch some of these movies I post at the bottom, PLEASE look into this more. I know when you find out what I'm saying is real, you'll fight it with even more compassion.

In the past only small pockets of people have had information on this subject, which served to cloak events in a protective secrecy. But lately a plethora of new information has been consolidated, creating an incredibly chaotic environment for the globalist where the risk of mass exposure is becoming very real. So once you learn, please spread this information on to others.

This is an information war, against elites with 90% of the wealth trying to control the political and financial systems to control mankind, and doing it for there own selfish desires. And information of this type is so much more powerful than any gun or grenade or tank or anything. Every single word we spew of resistance is a bullet, discharged from a chamber and sent into the heart of the New World Order Demon, and it will take a lot to kill it, but humanity will prevail.

911 Documentaries


Martial Law: 911 Rise of the Police State (The best damn 911 movie ever made)
http://www.prisonplanet.tv/images/march2005/040305martialcover.jpg
Windows Media Player:
Broadband:

http://www.revradio.org/movies/ml.wmv

Dial up:

http://www.revradio.org/movies/ml56k.wmv

Stream:

Broadband:

http://www.revradio.org/movies/ml.wmx

Dial up:

http://www.revradio.org/movies/ml56k.wmx

911- The Road To Tyranny (http://www.archive.org/movies/details-db.php?collection=independent_news&collectionid=911theRoadtoTyranny)

Paineful Deceptions
Painful Deceptions DVD Part 1 (pentagon) (http://reopen911.org/video/painful_deceptions-an_analysis_of_the_911_attack_part1.wmv)
Painful Deceptions DVD Part 2 (building 7 and the two towers) (http://reopen911.org/video/painful_deceptions-an_analysis_of_the_911_attack_part2.wmv)
Painful Deceptions DVD Part 3 (media propaganda) (http://reopen911.org/video/painful_deceptions-an_analysis_of_the_911_attack_part3.wmv)

The Masters of terror
2:00:09
http://thewebfairy.com/video/collected/Mas...ror_128KBps.wmv

911 Truth and Lies 4 parts

http://www.illuminaticonspiracy.org/files/...ndLiesPart1.wmv
http://www.illuminaticonspiracy.org/files/...ndLiesPart2.wmv
http://www.illuminaticonspiracy.org/files/...ndLiesPart3.wmv
http://www.illuminaticonspiracy.org/files/...ndLiesPart4.wmv

Michael Parenti-Terrorism, Globalism and Conspiracy
http://www.workingtv.com/media5/parenti1.wmv
http://www.workingtv.com/media5/parenti2.wmv
http://www.workingtv.com/media5/parenti3.wmv
http://www.workingtv.com/media5/parenti4.wmv
http://www.workingtv.com/media5/parenti5.wmv

Illuminazi 9-11
http://www.nwowatcher.com/downloads/illuminazi.wmv

The Microchip
http://www.nwowatcher.com/downloads/The%20Microchip.wmv

Free ebooks

The Secret Rituals of the O.T.O. (Illuminati, Templars, Freemasons, etc.).pdf (http://www.nwowatcher.com/ebooks/The%20Secret%20Rituals%20of%20the%20O.T.O.%20(Illuminati,%20Templars,%20Freemasons,%20etc.).pdf)
Order Out of Chaos - Paul Joseph Watson (http://www.nwowatcher.com/ebooks/Order%20Out%20of%20Chaos%20-%20By%20Paul%20Joseph%20Watson.pdf)
A Chronological History of the New World Order - Denis Cuddy (http://www.nwowatcher.com/ebooks/Chronological%20History%20of%20The%20New%20World%20Order%20-%20By%20Dennis%20Cuddy.pdf)
Conspiracy ebook - The New World Order - Milton William Cooper (http://www.nwowatcher.com/ebooks/conspiracy%20ebook%20-%20New%20World%20Order%20by%20Milton%20William%20Cooper.pdf)
Global Tyranny Step by Step - By WIlliam F. Jasper (http://www.nwowatcher.com/ebooks/Global%20Tyranny%20Step%20By%20Step%20-%20By%20William%20F%20Jasper.pdf)


A shit load more Documentaries and ebooks can be found here (http://www.nwowatcher.com/downloads.html)

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Ok, this is to all of the people who still believe 9/11 was the work of 19 Arabic Hijackers and an operation entirely masterminded by Osama Bin Laden, mainly because he hates our freedom’s and disagrees with American Liberalism. Despite all of their hard work, the United States Government simply could not see the attack coming.

When one considers all of the hardcore facts, there is no way this excuse holds even a grain of truth in it. The official story is impossible and simply does not stand up to scrutiny. Even more laughable is the excuse given by government officials that it was simply a "failure of intelligence" and the attack could not be averted. Politicians should not even form their mouths to even use an incompetence excuse. Warnings were received by the US by at least 18 other countries, and agents in the CIA, and the FBI were warned. The FAA got warnings too. In fact,

Prior Knowledge:

CIA had high-jacker details (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/3516233.stm)
Taliban warned the US of huge attack (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/2242594.stm)
FBI warned of plot to high-jack planes in 1995 (http://archives.cnn.com/2001/US/09/18/inv.hijacking.philippines/index.html)
FBI warned of Suspicious flight student last year (http://www.thedossier.ukonline.co.uk/Web%20Pages/FOX%20NEWS_FBI%20Agent%20Warned%20of%20Suspicious%20Flight%20Students%20Last%20Summer.html)CIA ignorned warnings of Al-Queda (http://www.thedossier.ukonline.co.uk/Web%20Pages/FINANCIAL%20TIMES_CIA%20'ignored%20warning'%20on%20al%20Qaeda.htm)
US knew of Suicide highjack threat in 1995 (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,47133,00.html)
The airlift of evil (http://www.thedossier.ukonline.co.uk/Web%20Pages/MSNBC_The%20airlift%20of%20evil.htm)
Threat of US attacks passed Taliban weeks before the attacks (http://www.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,3604,556254,00.html)
US clamps secrecy on attacks before 911 (http://www.thedossier.ukonline.co.uk/Web%20Pages/NEWS%20DAY_US%20Clamps%20Secrecy%20on%20Warnings%20Before%209-11.htm)


It seems that there were so many warnings, that


"The information provided by European intelligence services prior to 9/11 was so extensive that it is no longer possible for either the CIA or FBI to assert a defence of incompetence." Micheal Meacher, Tony Blairs former environmental advisor until 2003. London Guardian (http://politics.guardian.co.uk/iraq/comment/0,12956,1036687,00.html)

In addition to these Government officials and other people received individuals warnings as well. Mayor Willie Brown of San Francisco was warned a full eight hours before the attack not to fly on 911, author Salmon Rushdie was publicly banned from flying before 911, and John Ashcroft former Attorney General stopped flying commercially six months before 911. Even some people working inside of the towers got instant messages, telling them to evacuate the WTC.

We must ask ourselves, where did all this prior knowledge come from, and why was it all ignored? Is it possible for that this much information of this magnitude of importance to get tangled up in a beaurecratic web of telephone lines? The answer is NO, people in side of the Trade Towers got INSTANT MESSAGES telling them the buildings were going to be destroyed two hours before it happened. You’re going to tell me someone can get an INSTANT MESSAGE to someone inside the World Trade Center two hours before the attack, but no one can get the message to the President of the United States? Impossible, this is the equivalent to saying people who work in the WTC have access to better inteligence than the president does. Someone calls up calls Mayor Willie Brown eight hours before the attack, and tells him not to fly, BUT THEY CAN'T CONTACT THE AIR TRAFFIC CONTROLERS AND WARN THEM AHEAD OF TIME?!??!

Sources:

Odigo Says Workers Were Warned of the Attack (http://www.haaretzdaily.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=77744&contrassID=/has%5C)
San Francisco Chronicle - Mayor Willie Brown got Low-Key Warning about Air Travel (http://www.sfgate.com/today/0912_chron_mnreport.shtml)
The Truth Seeker-Condi Lisa Rice Warned Willie Brown and Told him not to fly on 911 (http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=1000)
CBS News - Ashcroft Flying High (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2001/07/26/national/main303601.shtml)


In addition there are over 600 smoking gun holes and unanswered questions in the official story of 911; I'm only going to scratch the surface, w/ some of the main ones.

First thing is the NORAD stand down order.

"The first hijacking was suspected at not later than 8.20am, and the last hijacked aircraft crashed in Pennsylvania at 10.06am. Not a single fighter plane was scrambled to investigate from the US Andrews airforce base, just 10 miles from Washington DC, until after the third plane had hit the Pentagon at 9.38 am. Why not? There were standard FAA intercept procedures for hijacked aircraft before 9/11. Between September 2000 and June 2001 the US military launched fighter aircraft on 67 occasions to chase suspicious aircraft" (AP, August 13 2002)
guardian, once again (http://politics.guardian.co.uk/iraq/comment/0,12956,1036687,00.html)

NORAD completely stood down, this is a clear violation of FAA flight regulations, and NORAD could have probably stopped the attack, at least partially. The morning of 911 NORAD was training in a war game of flying hijacked aircrafts into buildings ON the Morning of 911. On the Morning of 911??!?! Yep, the drill stopped just 50 minutes before the Hi-Jacking began. No wonder there was no Military Response, NORAD was told that the planes being Hijacked were just part of a drill. That's why they stood down.

What are the chances of this happening? It's just a coincidence that they were running a war-game drill, mirroring the same monumental event to be documented in history books for centuries? Of course it’s possible, but very VERY unlikely.

This is so weird to have happened, and even weirder is the fact that this type of a wargame is going on the morning of 911. This type of event would be simmilar to seeing Oswald and the CIA training how to kill Kennedy in Dealy Plaza an hour before it happened.

Yahoo News - Agency planned exercise on Sept. 11 built around a plane crashing into a building (http://www.thedossier.ukonline.co.uk/Web%20Pages/YAHOO%20NEWS_Agency%20planned%20exercise%20on%20Sept%2011%20built%20around%20a%20plane%20crashing%20into%20a%20building.htm)
USA Today - NORAD has drills to use jets as weapons (http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2004-04-18-norad_x.htm)
Associated Press - Exercise built around crashing planes into buildings (http://www.boston.com/news/packages/sept11/anniversary/wire_stories/0903_plane_exercise.htm)



In addition, the list of the 19 hijackers and their picture identification was assembled and aired just hours after the attack. How do we jump to the accusations that 19 suspects are guilty of 3,000 American murders when most, if not all of the evidence, is twisted metal and degenerated ashes that used to be people? Actually by the time the hijackers had their mug shots aired on TV, all of the crime scenes had been destroyed. Buildings one and two collapsed, as well as the mysterious building seven collapsing on its own, the plane that hit the pentagon decentegrated, and flight 93 was likely shot down, hours later we miraculously post all of their mug shots on the news? Damn, we must be good.

So how exactly did the United States leap to their allegations of guilt?

A travel bag belonging to one of the 911 hijackers was found at the airport after the attacks, absolutely ruling beyond any doubt, that this was the work of Al-Queda.

Question: Why would a hijacker, planning to commit suicide, even BRING A BAG? Let alone pack it w/ incriminating evidence sure to unleash a fire storm of military hell on all of his fellow Mid Eastern people? The bag contained enough evidences to precisely tie the perpetrators to the Taliban and Al-Queda justify the assault in Afghanistan.


Answer: this is MANUFACTURED EVIDENCE


Now BBC has began running stories that many of these men have shown up as being still alive. The 911 Hijackers steal our planes to suicide attack us because were apparently not in sync with what the Qu'ran says, and then they show up still being alive. So that means that at least five of the men on the hi-jackers list cannot be the same men who were on the plane. But the government has stuck to their official story on this, and no one in the mainstream media has ever brought this up, or challenged them on it. Many of the hijackers are now appearing on television in their countries and professing their innocence. A lot of information like this has been circulating around other parts of the world, and it is likely part of the reason why America's image has dropped from negative to terrible. Most people in other countries know this is going on, but Americans are sleeping.


The Truth is unleashed in other parts of the world but it’s concealed from American eyes as a way to demonize Americans to the rest of the world, while American media demonizes the rest of the world (particularly Arabs) to America, this is a way of polarizing both side to inspire conflict on both sides.

Sources:


High JAck Suspects alive and well (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/1559151.stm)
High Jack Suspects Alive in Morroco (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/1558669.stm)


Bombs in the Towers


http://www.prisonplanet.tv/images/may2004/050504collapse.jpg

___ This next part is important, because it's hardcore vissual evidence of government involvement in 9/11 and is nearly impossible to deny.

Building seven, first of all, was the third building to collapse within the World Trade Center Complex. According to the government’s official story, building seven was destroyed from fire, along with buildings one and two.

Videos Show Building 7's 6.5 second symmetrical collapse

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/SMALL_wtc-7_1_.gif

First of all it’s important to say that fire has never once brought a steel structure down. Out of 100 uncontrolled fires in the last 50 years NEVER has fire collapsed a steel building, only earthquakes and explosives have been able to flatten these modern structures.

So, why is building seven so significant? It’s important because building seven collapsed without being struck by an airplane or anything else, almost as if it were the wind that knocked it over.

Several videos have been salvaged which show building seven's collapse and shocking evidence has surfaced from scrutiny.

CBS Broadcast of Buildinding Seven's fall - Dan Rather admits it looks like Explosives (http://www.wtc7.net/vdocs/wtc_7_cbs.mpg)
Building Seven's Collapase from a mile away (http://wtc7.net/vdocs/wtc7_collapse.mpg)
Building Seven's Colapse from 1000 feet away, this is very obvious (http://www.wtc7.net/vdocs/wtc7_collapse2.mpg)

You see, building seven DECENTEGRATED INTO RUBBLE in a vertical symmetrical fashion in 6.5 seconds. If building seven was taken down by an aircraft impact (even though it was not) it would have thrown back horizontally, transferring the energy away from the airplane impacts. And if it was fire, eventhough the flames would have had to have burnt exponentically hotter for a much longer time, we would have seen the structure reduced into liquid metal, and the streets would be a river of flame. But this building simply fell straight to the ground and crumbled.

I need to explain something about controlled demolition. First of all, when buildings are demolished the explosives are placed in the central column, so the structure falls inwards and does not damage other surrounding buildings. So they only way the building can fall like this or fall period is through the use of explosives.

THE FEMA REPORT ON WORLD TRADE CENTER 7 COLLAPSE IS A TOTAL JOKE. (http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/fema_report.html)

http://wtc7.net/docs/streamers.jpg

“Each of the following videos shows the entire visible portion of the building falling with a vertical precision otherwise seen only in controlled demolition. Moreover, they show that the collapse took only about 6.5 seconds from start to finish. That rate of fall is within a second of the time it would take an object to fall from the building's roof with no air resistance”

http://www.propagandamatrix.com/WTCDemol.jpg

http://www.propagandamatrix.com/WTC-bomb-frame048enhanced.jpg

BUT, building seven is even more important because the offical story of building seven collapse is because it was damaged from fire, HOWEVER, Larry Silverstine the owner of buildings one, two, and seven, got on televiosn on America Rebuilds on PBS, and slipped up, ADMITTING, THAT HE BLEW UP BUILDING SEVEN, He Said "WE PULLED THE BUILDING!" Here's the video from the PBS documentary.

http://infowars.com/Video/911/wtc7_pbs.WMV

Here's another clip where a demolitions expert describes "PULL IT" As a controlled demolition.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/pullit2.mp3

NOW, it's extremely important to mention that rigging buildins with explosives is a tiresom and very time consuming process, and to properly plant explosives in amathematicaly harmonious fasion to create a smooth symetrical drop. Actually it would take weeks to prepare for the demolition. So not only does Larry Silverstine, the owner of the complex admit to blowing up building seven, But building seven COULD NOT have been demolished on such short notice. Weeks of demolitions planning does not jive well with Osama's suprise attack. In fact it's impossible.

Another particularly important part of this is to note that Towers one, two, and seven have all of the 10 chartecteristics of a controlled demolition, a building collapseing from fire and plane impact damage having one of the charecteristics of controlled demolition is astronomically rare, the chances of this damage haveing all 10 charecteristics of a controlled demolition and not being a controled demolition is next to nil. These charecteristics are.

1. Each collapse occurred at virtually free fall speed;
2. Each building collapsed straight down, for the most part onto its own footprint;
3. Virtually all the concrete was turned into very fine dust;
4. In the case of the Twin Towers, the dust was blown out horizontally for 200 feet or more;
5. The collapses were total, leaving no steel columns sticking up hundreds of feet into the air;
6. Videos of the collapses reveal "demolition waves", meaning "confluent rows of small explosions";
7. Most of the steel beams and columns came down in sections that were no more than 30 feet long;
8. According to many witnesses, explosions occurred within the buildings;
9. Each collapse was associated with detectable seismic vibrations (suggestive of underground explosions);
10.Each collapse produced molten steel (which would be produced by explosives), resulting in "hot spots" that remained for months.?

Source:

Professor David Ray Griffin
http://www.rbnlive.com/absentia_trial.html

Good lookin to Dem Bruce Lee Stylez, and his MIGHTY nine eleven thread right here (http://immortal-technique.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=4020&st=0)

Historical Comparison

http://www.historyproject.net/images/vol01/28-1125a.jpg

----The Burning of the Reichstag



In 1933 Adolph Hitler wanted to seize dictotorial powers and turn Germany into a police state. So he set the massive governmental building on fire, that is known as the Reichstag (German Parliament) the blazing infernos sent the population into a state of petrified fear. Adolph Hitler and his party won by a landslide in the election just weeks later and later on was able to merge the Chancellor’s powers with that of the Presidents, and this is the origin of where his dictatorial power came from. Hitler also blamed the terrorist attack on the communists, and recived a pretext, or a reason, to attack them.


The real Pretext

Hitler’s conspiratorial tactic of burning the Reichstag to receive dictatorial power, and a pretext to attack his enemies is a method that is known as the Hegelian Dialectic, which is translated simply as problem, reaction, solution. The Hegelian Dialectic is a tactic that was developed by the 19th century German philosopher George Wilhelm Fredric Hegel. The way this works is, you create a crisis, the population is thrown into fear, and then you, the creator of the crisis, step in with a pre-organized solution, and pose as the savior. As soon as 911 occurred, literally while the smoke was still streaming from the building, politicians began targeting us with Doublethink approaches to get us to give up our freedom for security.

I don't want to digress too much, but this is important.

Doublethink is the practice of misrepresenting something bad as something good, such as pushing identity theft propaganda in order to get the people wanting a national ID card. This was the phrase coined in George Orwell's book 1984, which psychologically persuaded the population to relinquish there freedom unto big brother and simultaneously be happy about it. We see doublethink utilized daily by politicians.

The Hegelian Dialectic fused with the double think approach has given ruthless men an unbelievably effective tactic of power consolidation. But this time it's bigger,

http://www.redrat.net/BUSH_WAR/New-World-Order.jpg


PNAC(Project For a New American Centeury

The Project for a New American Century (PNAC) was founded by Dick Chenney, Donald Rumsfeld, Paul Wolfowitz, Lewis Libby and others in 2000. This is a pro-globalization neo-con think tank. On his website Dick Cheney lays out a Blueprint for America to invade many of it's neighbors and construct a "global command and control system" Cheney sites Syria, Libya, and North Korea as terrorist regimes, and uses their existence to justify invasions and restructuring there powers under a Pax America. It's strange, earlier in the year, Rumsfeld was selling Nuclear Reactors to North Korea. Now he's sitting in meetings at PNAC calling them a dangerous regime. HaHa, who made them more dangerous, Mr. Rumsfeld?
This document also mentions that public support would be very difficult to rally for these upcoming wars, and that a "Pearl Harbor Like Attack" would be very helpful. Now this is a public document, saying we need helpful Pearl Harbor attacks, that's motive, and practically admittance.

Sources:

PNAC offical site (http://www.newamericancentury.org/) read the documents.
Meacher talks about PNAC too (http://politics.guardian.co.uk/iraq/comment/0,12956,1036687,00.html)
Guardian UK - The Two Faces of Rumseld (http://www.guardian.co.uk/korea/article/0,2763,952289,00.html)

Not only this, but


"the US and the UK, are running dangerously low on hydrocarbon energy supplies. And by 2010 the Muslim world will control as much as 60% of the worlds oil production, and 95% of the remaining exportable oil. "

Protecting oil supplies in a crisis (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/937573.stm)
Taliban to Texas for Oil Talks (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/west_asia/36735.stm)
Bottom of the Barrel, the world is runnin out of oil, why do Politicans refuse to talk about it? (http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,3604,1097622,00.html)
Threats of US to strike Taliban weeks before the attacks (http://www.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,3604,556254,00.html)



Cui Bono(Who Benefits?)
Bush restricts 911 probes (http://www.thedossier.ukonline.co.uk/Web%20Pages/WASHINGTON%20POST_Bush%20Seeks%20To%20Restrict%20Hill%20Probes%20Of%20Sept%2011.htm)Top Taladan leader freed by US (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2003/10/09/wtal09.xml)
911 study hindered (http://www.sptimes.com/2002/05/09/Worldandnation/Graham__911_study_hin.shtml)
Bush trying to hide 911 information (http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/news/nation/5993628.htm)
911 documents to sensitive for realse (http://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/10/27/bush.911/)
Bush discourages 911 investagations (http://archives.cnn.com/2002/ALLPOLITICS/01/29/inv.terror.probe/)
Times of India - Bush took FBI agents off the Trail of Bin Ladens (http://www1.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/cms.dll/articleshow?art_id=1030259305)
Guardian UK - Agent Blasts FBI over 11 Sept 'cover up' (http://observer.guardian.co.uk/waronterrorism/story/0,1373,722426,00.html)


Goes on and on


Prominent 911 whistle blowers

One might wonder, if all of this evidence which literally swiss chesses the offical story being in existene, why has there not been more of an outcry about it? Well, there has, famous people all over the world have been questioning and exposeing the 911 coverup.

Micheal Meacher MP, former enviromental advisor in the British Government - This War on Terrorism is Bogus
former UK Government Minister speaks out about the standdown of NORAD on September 11th, PNAC and the pre-planned wars in Afghanistan and Iraq.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,...1036571,00.html (http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,3604,1036571,00.html)
http://www.prisonplanet.tv/audio/070204meacher.htm

Andre Van Buelow
Von Buelow is the former German Defense Minister and Minister of Technology. Von Buelow went public to say the US government carried out 9/11. His book is one of the bestsellers across Europe.
http://www.prisonplanet.com/021104vonbuelow.html
http://www.prisonplanet.com/020804vonbuelow.html

Robert Wright, FBI special Agent,
http://www.prisonplanet.com/FBI_agent_I_wa...error_probe.htm (http://www.prisonplanet.com/FBI_agent_I_was_stymied_in_terror_probe.htm)

Cynthia Mckinney (Representative D-GA) Grills Rumsfeld on wargames going on the morning of 9/11, he does not deny
http://www.infowars.com/articles/us/mckinn...ls_rumsfeld.htm (http://www.infowars.com/articles/us/mckinney_grills_rumsfeld.htm)

Morgan Reynolds, (former chief economist for the Department of Labor during President George W. Bush's first term) says 911 Offical story is a fruad
http://washingtontimes.com/upi-breaking/20...02755-6408r.htm (http://washingtontimes.com/upi-breaking/20050613-102755-6408r.htm)
http://www.lewrockwell.com/reynolds/reynolds7.html
http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=44787


AND, Jimmy Walters the billionaire activist has gone so far as to, run commericals on televission, showing the evidence behinde building seven, and has also offered a $100,000 reward to any enginner who can proove that the towers fell the way they were said to have fallen in the offical story.

http://inn.globalfreepress.com/modules/new...hp?storyid=1013 (http://inn.globalfreepress.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=1013)
September 11 conspiracy theorist offers prize - Reuters (http://reopen911.org/Yahoo!%20News%20-%20September%2011%20conspiracy%20theorist%20offers%20prize.htm)






Summary:


911 was such a cataclysmic event, it galvanized both the idiots and the intellectuals of America into a flag waving frenzy for nearly five years. 911 has become a never ending excuse to fight any war over seas, and implement any authoritarian rule domestically. Politicians were so quick to exploit this event, jumping in there tanks and battle suits while rushing 1000 page bills through the Senate and House. One has to wonder, why the knee jerk reaction of this attack was to shift into throwing a doublethink deception at the people, telling them to give up freedom for liberty before the smoke had yet to even clear from the air.

Giving up freedom for Liberty is a False Paradigm. No Liberty = Tyranny.

As the Roman judges used to say when a crime was committed, “key bono?”, or who benefits? The globalists who masterminded this attack want authoritarian control of America, invasion into uncontrolled Arab states, and overall a world climate that is so dangerous and unstable, the people will beg them for a one world government. A government ruled by them. Order out of chaos.

I've developed quite a case here, and I think my arguments are supported extremely well, even without all of my information on the towers; this is very strong evidence that we are being lied too, almost on a daily basis. Most of this literally proves the official story is a fraud and there's a lot of things I chose not to talk about, like 100s of Al-Queda and Taliban being flown out after 911, Insider trading right before 911, or Bush pulling FBI agents off of the Trail of the Bin Laden right before 911 (Edit: I did touch on that) and signing documents to protect them. However I've come to the conclusion that in this instance, the problem is there is actually TOO MUCH evidence here, so I won't even bother with the links for my last claims.

If you think I've made a compelling case, than I urge you learn more about this, because if I'm even remotely correct, and this New World Order aka the "Global Union" is created, by the same creatures who carried out this attack, I don't think your going to want to live under the tyranny grids they've constructed for you. I'm not charging the government with carrying this out, but these Rogue elements with tentacles into our government, who live in families who are worth five times as much as our countries annual budget. If you look more into this, I know you'll see that what I'm saying is true, this is what has happened with me. So please spread this thread around as much as you can, watch some of these movies I post at the bottom, PLEASE look into this more. I know when you find out what I'm saying is real, you'll fight it with even more compassion.

In the past only small pockets of people have had information on this subject, which served to cloak events in a protective secrecy. But lately a plethora of new information has been consolidated, creating an incredibly chaotic environment for the globalist where the risk of mass exposure is becoming very real. So once you learn, please spread this information on to others.

This is an information war, against elites with 90% of the wealth trying to control the political and financial systems to control mankind, and doing it for there own selfish desires. And information of this type is so much more powerful than any gun or grenade or tank or anything. Every single word we spew of resistance is a bullet, discharged from a chamber and sent into the heart of the New World Order Demon, and it will take a lot to kill it, but humanity will prevail.

911 Documentaries


Martial Law: 911 Rise of the Police State (The best damn 911 movie ever made)
http://www.prisonplanet.tv/images/march2005/040305martialcover.jpg
Windows Media Player:
Broadband:

http://www.revradio.org/movies/ml.wmv

Dial up:

http://www.revradio.org/movies/ml56k.wmv

Stream:

Broadband:

http://www.revradio.org/movies/ml.wmx

Dial up:

http://www.revradio.org/movies/ml56k.wmx

911- The Road To Tyranny (http://www.archive.org/movies/details-db.php?collection=independent_news&collectionid=911theRoadtoTyranny)

Paineful Deceptions
Painful Deceptions DVD Part 1 (pentagon) (http://reopen911.org/video/painful_deceptions-an_analysis_of_the_911_attack_part1.wmv)
Painful Deceptions DVD Part 2 (building 7 and the two towers) (http://reopen911.org/video/painful_deceptions-an_analysis_of_the_911_attack_part2.wmv)
Painful Deceptions DVD Part 3 (media propaganda) (http://reopen911.org/video/painful_deceptions-an_analysis_of_the_911_attack_part3.wmv)

The Masters of terror
2:00:09
http://thewebfairy.com/video/collected/Mas...ror_128KBps.wmv

911 Truth and Lies 4 parts

http://www.illuminaticonspiracy.org/files/...ndLiesPart1.wmv
http://www.illuminaticonspiracy.org/files/...ndLiesPart2.wmv
http://www.illuminaticonspiracy.org/files/...ndLiesPart3.wmv
http://www.illuminaticonspiracy.org/files/...ndLiesPart4.wmv

Michael Parenti-Terrorism, Globalism and Conspiracy
http://www.workingtv.com/media5/parenti1.wmv
http://www.workingtv.com/media5/parenti2.wmv
http://www.workingtv.com/media5/parenti3.wmv
http://www.workingtv.com/media5/parenti4.wmv
http://www.workingtv.com/media5/parenti5.wmv

Illuminazi 9-11
http://www.nwowatcher.com/downloads/illuminazi.wmv

The Microchip
http://www.nwowatcher.com/downloads/The%20Microchip.wmv

Free ebooks

The Secret Rituals of the O.T.O. (Illuminati, Templars, Freemasons, etc.).pdf (http://www.nwowatcher.com/ebooks/The%20Secret%20Rituals%20of%20the%20O.T.O.%20(Illuminati,%20Templars,%20Freemasons,%20etc.).pdf)
Order Out of Chaos - Paul Joseph Watson (http://www.nwowatcher.com/ebooks/Order%20Out%20of%20Chaos%20-%20By%20Paul%20Joseph%20Watson.pdf)
A Chronological History of the New World Order - Denis Cuddy (http://www.nwowatcher.com/ebooks/Chronological%20History%20of%20The%20New%20World%20Order%20-%20By%20Dennis%20Cuddy.pdf)
Conspiracy ebook - The New World Order - Milton William Cooper (http://www.nwowatcher.com/ebooks/conspiracy%20ebook%20-%20New%20World%20Order%20by%20Milton%20William%20Cooper.pdf)
Global Tyranny Step by Step - By WIlliam F. Jasper (http://www.nwowatcher.com/ebooks/Global%20Tyranny%20Step%20By%20Step%20-%20By%20William%20F%20Jasper.pdf)


A shit load more Documentaries and ebooks can be found here (http://www.nwowatcher.com/downloads.html)


Where's the cliff notes version? :lol:

[ziggyjuarez]

Ok, this is to all of the people who still believe 9/11 was the work of 19 Arabic Hijackers and an operation entirely masterminded by Osama Bin Laden, mainly because he hates our freedom’s and disagrees with American Liberalism. Despite all of their hard work, the United States Government simply could not see the attack coming.

When one considers all of the hardcore facts, there is no way this excuse holds even a grain of truth in it. The official story is impossible and simply does not stand up to scrutiny. Even more laughable is the excuse given by government officials that it was simply a "failure of intelligence" and the attack could not be averted. Politicians should not even form their mouths to even use an incompetence excuse. Warnings were received by the US by at least 18 other countries, and agents in the CIA, and the FBI were warned. The FAA got warnings too. In fact,

Prior Knowledge:

CIA had high-jacker details (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/3516233.stm)
Taliban warned the US of huge attack (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/2242594.stm)
FBI warned of plot to high-jack planes in 1995 (http://archives.cnn.com/2001/US/09/18/inv.hijacking.philippines/index.html)
FBI warned of Suspicious flight student last year (http://www.thedossier.ukonline.co.uk/Web%20Pages/FOX%20NEWS_FBI%20Agent%20Warned%20of%20Suspicious%20Flight%20Students%20Last%20Summer.html)CIA ignorned warnings of Al-Queda (http://www.thedossier.ukonline.co.uk/Web%20Pages/FINANCIAL%20TIMES_CIA%20'ignored%20warning'%20on%20al%20Qaeda.htm)
US knew of Suicide highjack threat in 1995 (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,47133,00.html)
The airlift of evil (http://www.thedossier.ukonline.co.uk/Web%20Pages/MSNBC_The%20airlift%20of%20evil.htm)
Threat of US attacks passed Taliban weeks before the attacks (http://www.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,3604,556254,00.html)
US clamps secrecy on attacks before 911 (http://www.thedossier.ukonline.co.uk/Web%20Pages/NEWS%20DAY_US%20Clamps%20Secrecy%20on%20Warnings%20Before%209-11.htm)


It seems that there were so many warnings, that


"The information provided by European intelligence services prior to 9/11 was so extensive that it is no longer possible for either the CIA or FBI to assert a defence of incompetence." Micheal Meacher, Tony Blairs former environmental advisor until 2003. London Guardian (http://politics.guardian.co.uk/iraq/comment/0,12956,1036687,00.html)

In addition to these Government officials and other people received individuals warnings as well. Mayor Willie Brown of San Francisco was warned a full eight hours before the attack not to fly on 911, author Salmon Rushdie was publicly banned from flying before 911, and John Ashcroft former Attorney General stopped flying commercially six months before 911. Even some people working inside of the towers got instant messages, telling them to evacuate the WTC.

We must ask ourselves, where did all this prior knowledge come from, and why was it all ignored? Is it possible for that this much information of this magnitude of importance to get tangled up in a beaurecratic web of telephone lines? The answer is NO, people in side of the Trade Towers got INSTANT MESSAGES telling them the buildings were going to be destroyed two hours before it happened. You’re going to tell me someone can get an INSTANT MESSAGE to someone inside the World Trade Center two hours before the attack, but no one can get the message to the President of the United States? Impossible, this is the equivalent to saying people who work in the WTC have access to better inteligence than the president does. Someone calls up calls Mayor Willie Brown eight hours before the attack, and tells him not to fly, BUT THEY CAN'T CONTACT THE AIR TRAFFIC CONTROLERS AND WARN THEM AHEAD OF TIME?!??!

Sources:

Odigo Says Workers Were Warned of the Attack (http://www.haaretzdaily.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=77744&contrassID=/has%5C)
San Francisco Chronicle - Mayor Willie Brown got Low-Key Warning about Air Travel (http://www.sfgate.com/today/0912_chron_mnreport.shtml)
The Truth Seeker-Condi Lisa Rice Warned Willie Brown and Told him not to fly on 911 (http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=1000)
CBS News - Ashcroft Flying High (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2001/07/26/national/main303601.shtml)


In addition there are over 600 smoking gun holes and unanswered questions in the official story of 911; I'm only going to scratch the surface, w/ some of the main ones.

First thing is the NORAD stand down order.

"The first hijacking was suspected at not later than 8.20am, and the last hijacked aircraft crashed in Pennsylvania at 10.06am. Not a single fighter plane was scrambled to investigate from the US Andrews airforce base, just 10 miles from Washington DC, until after the third plane had hit the Pentagon at 9.38 am. Why not? There were standard FAA intercept procedures for hijacked aircraft before 9/11. Between September 2000 and June 2001 the US military launched fighter aircraft on 67 occasions to chase suspicious aircraft" (AP, August 13 2002)
guardian, once again (http://politics.guardian.co.uk/iraq/comment/0,12956,1036687,00.html)

NORAD completely stood down, this is a clear violation of FAA flight regulations, and NORAD could have probably stopped the attack, at least partially. The morning of 911 NORAD was training in a war game of flying hijacked aircrafts into buildings ON the Morning of 911. On the Morning of 911??!?! Yep, the drill stopped just 50 minutes before the Hi-Jacking began. No wonder there was no Military Response, NORAD was told that the planes being Hijacked were just part of a drill. That's why they stood down.

What are the chances of this happening? It's just a coincidence that they were running a war-game drill, mirroring the same monumental event to be documented in history books for centuries? Of course it’s possible, but very VERY unlikely.

This is so weird to have happened, and even weirder is the fact that this type of a wargame is going on the morning of 911. This type of event would be simmilar to seeing Oswald and the CIA training how to kill Kennedy in Dealy Plaza an hour before it happened.

Yahoo News - Agency planned exercise on Sept. 11 built around a plane crashing into a building (http://www.thedossier.ukonline.co.uk/Web%20Pages/YAHOO%20NEWS_Agency%20planned%20exercise%20on%20Sept%2011%20built%20around%20a%20plane%20crashing%20into%20a%20building.htm)
USA Today - NORAD has drills to use jets as weapons (http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2004-04-18-norad_x.htm)
Associated Press - Exercise built around crashing planes into buildings (http://www.boston.com/news/packages/sept11/anniversary/wire_stories/0903_plane_exercise.htm)



In addition, the list of the 19 hijackers and their picture identification was assembled and aired just hours after the attack. How do we jump to the accusations that 19 suspects are guilty of 3,000 American murders when most, if not all of the evidence, is twisted metal and degenerated ashes that used to be people? Actually by the time the hijackers had their mug shots aired on TV, all of the crime scenes had been destroyed. Buildings one and two collapsed, as well as the mysterious building seven collapsing on its own, the plane that hit the pentagon decentegrated, and flight 93 was likely shot down, hours later we miraculously post all of their mug shots on the news? Damn, we must be good.

So how exactly did the United States leap to their allegations of guilt?

A travel bag belonging to one of the 911 hijackers was found at the airport after the attacks, absolutely ruling beyond any doubt, that this was the work of Al-Queda.

Question: Why would a hijacker, planning to commit suicide, even BRING A BAG? Let alone pack it w/ incriminating evidence sure to unleash a fire storm of military hell on all of his fellow Mid Eastern people? The bag contained enough evidences to precisely tie the perpetrators to the Taliban and Al-Queda justify the assault in Afghanistan.


Answer: this is MANUFACTURED EVIDENCE


Now BBC has began running stories that many of these men have shown up as being still alive. The 911 Hijackers steal our planes to suicide attack us because were apparently not in sync with what the Qu'ran says, and then they show up still being alive. So that means that at least five of the men on the hi-jackers list cannot be the same men who were on the plane. But the government has stuck to their official story on this, and no one in the mainstream media has ever brought this up, or challenged them on it. Many of the hijackers are now appearing on television in their countries and professing their innocence. A lot of information like this has been circulating around other parts of the world, and it is likely part of the reason why America's image has dropped from negative to terrible. Most people in other countries know this is going on, but Americans are sleeping.


The Truth is unleashed in other parts of the world but it’s concealed from American eyes as a way to demonize Americans to the rest of the world, while American media demonizes the rest of the world (particularly Arabs) to America, this is a way of polarizing both side to inspire conflict on both sides.

Sources:


High JAck Suspects alive and well (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/1559151.stm)
High Jack Suspects Alive in Morroco (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/1558669.stm)


Bombs in the Towers


http://www.prisonplanet.tv/images/may2004/050504collapse.jpg

___ This next part is important, because it's hardcore vissual evidence of government involvement in 9/11 and is nearly impossible to deny.

Building seven, first of all, was the third building to collapse within the World Trade Center Complex. According to the government’s official story, building seven was destroyed from fire, along with buildings one and two.

Videos Show Building 7's 6.5 second symmetrical collapse

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/SMALL_wtc-7_1_.gif

First of all it’s important to say that fire has never once brought a steel structure down. Out of 100 uncontrolled fires in the last 50 years NEVER has fire collapsed a steel building, only earthquakes and explosives have been able to flatten these modern structures.

So, why is building seven so significant? It’s important because building seven collapsed without being struck by an airplane or anything else, almost as if it were the wind that knocked it over.

Several videos have been salvaged which show building seven's collapse and shocking evidence has surfaced from scrutiny.

CBS Broadcast of Buildinding Seven's fall - Dan Rather admits it looks like Explosives (http://www.wtc7.net/vdocs/wtc_7_cbs.mpg)
Building Seven's Collapase from a mile away (http://wtc7.net/vdocs/wtc7_collapse.mpg)
Building Seven's Colapse from 1000 feet away, this is very obvious (http://www.wtc7.net/vdocs/wtc7_collapse2.mpg)

You see, building seven DECENTEGRATED INTO RUBBLE in a vertical symmetrical fashion in 6.5 seconds. If building seven was taken down by an aircraft impact (even though it was not) it would have thrown back horizontally, transferring the energy away from the airplane impacts. And if it was fire, eventhough the flames would have had to have burnt exponentically hotter for a much longer time, we would have seen the structure reduced into liquid metal, and the streets would be a river of flame. But this building simply fell straight to the ground and crumbled.

I need to explain something about controlled demolition. First of all, when buildings are demolished the explosives are placed in the central column, so the structure falls inwards and does not damage other surrounding buildings. So they only way the building can fall like this or fall period is through the use of explosives.

THE FEMA REPORT ON WORLD TRADE CENTER 7 COLLAPSE IS A TOTAL JOKE. (http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/fema_report.html)

http://wtc7.net/docs/streamers.jpg

“Each of the following videos shows the entire visible portion of the building falling with a vertical precision otherwise seen only in controlled demolition. Moreover, they show that the collapse took only about 6.5 seconds from start to finish. That rate of fall is within a second of the time it would take an object to fall from the building's roof with no air resistance”

http://www.propagandamatrix.com/WTCDemol.jpg

http://www.propagandamatrix.com/WTC-bomb-frame048enhanced.jpg

BUT, building seven is even more important because the offical story of building seven collapse is because it was damaged from fire, HOWEVER, Larry Silverstine the owner of buildings one, two, and seven, got on televiosn on America Rebuilds on PBS, and slipped up, ADMITTING, THAT HE BLEW UP BUILDING SEVEN, He Said "WE PULLED THE BUILDING!" Here's the video from the PBS documentary.

http://infowars.com/Video/911/wtc7_pbs.WMV

Here's another clip where a demolitions expert describes "PULL IT" As a controlled demolition.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/pullit2.mp3

NOW, it's extremely important to mention that rigging buildins with explosives is a tiresom and very time consuming process, and to properly plant explosives in amathematicaly harmonious fasion to create a smooth symetrical drop. Actually it would take weeks to prepare for the demolition. So not only does Larry Silverstine, the owner of the complex admit to blowing up building seven, But building seven COULD NOT have been demolished on such short notice. Weeks of demolitions planning does not jive well with Osama's suprise attack. In fact it's impossible.

Another particularly important part of this is to note that Towers one, two, and seven have all of the 10 chartecteristics of a controlled demolition, a building collapseing from fire and plane impact damage having one of the charecteristics of controlled demolition is astronomically rare, the chances of this damage haveing all 10 charecteristics of a controlled demolition and not being a controled demolition is next to nil. These charecteristics are.

1. Each collapse occurred at virtually free fall speed;
2. Each building collapsed straight down, for the most part onto its own footprint;
3. Virtually all the concrete was turned into very fine dust;
4. In the case of the Twin Towers, the dust was blown out horizontally for 200 feet or more;
5. The collapses were total, leaving no steel columns sticking up hundreds of feet into the air;
6. Videos of the collapses reveal "demolition waves", meaning "confluent rows of small explosions";
7. Most of the steel beams and columns came down in sections that were no more than 30 feet long;
8. According to many witnesses, explosions occurred within the buildings;
9. Each collapse was associated with detectable seismic vibrations (suggestive of underground explosions);
10.Each collapse produced molten steel (which would be produced by explosives), resulting in "hot spots" that remained for months.?

Source:

Professor David Ray Griffin
http://www.rbnlive.com/absentia_trial.html

Good lookin to Dem Bruce Lee Stylez, and his MIGHTY nine eleven thread right here (http://immortal-technique.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=4020&st=0)

Historical Comparison

http://www.historyproject.net/images/vol01/28-1125a.jpg

----The Burning of the Reichstag



In 1933 Adolph Hitler wanted to seize dictotorial powers and turn Germany into a police state. So he set the massive governmental building on fire, that is known as the Reichstag (German Parliament) the blazing infernos sent the population into a state of petrified fear. Adolph Hitler and his party won by a landslide in the election just weeks later and later on was able to merge the Chancellor’s powers with that of the Presidents, and this is the origin of where his dictatorial power came from. Hitler also blamed the terrorist attack on the communists, and recived a pretext, or a reason, to attack them.


The real Pretext

Hitler’s conspiratorial tactic of burning the Reichstag to receive dictatorial power, and a pretext to attack his enemies is a method that is known as the Hegelian Dialectic, which is translated simply as problem, reaction, solution. The Hegelian Dialectic is a tactic that was developed by the 19th century German philosopher George Wilhelm Fredric Hegel. The way this works is, you create a crisis, the population is thrown into fear, and then you, the creator of the crisis, step in with a pre-organized solution, and pose as the savior. As soon as 911 occurred, literally while the smoke was still streaming from the building, politicians began targeting us with Doublethink approaches to get us to give up our freedom for security.

I don't want to digress too much, but this is important.

Doublethink is the practice of misrepresenting something bad as something good, such as pushing identity theft propaganda in order to get the people wanting a national ID card. This was the phrase coined in George Orwell's book 1984, which psychologically persuaded the population to relinquish there freedom unto big brother and simultaneously be happy about it. We see doublethink utilized daily by politicians.

The Hegelian Dialectic fused with the double think approach has given ruthless men an unbelievably effective tactic of power consolidation. But this time it's bigger,

http://www.redrat.net/BUSH_WAR/New-World-Order.jpg


PNAC(Project For a New American Centeury

The Project for a New American Century (PNAC) was founded by Dick Chenney, Donald Rumsfeld, Paul Wolfowitz, Lewis Libby and others in 2000. This is a pro-globalization neo-con think tank. On his website Dick Cheney lays out a Blueprint for America to invade many of it's neighbors and construct a "global command and control system" Cheney sites Syria, Libya, and North Korea as terrorist regimes, and uses their existence to justify invasions and restructuring there powers under a Pax America. It's strange, earlier in the year, Rumsfeld was selling Nuclear Reactors to North Korea. Now he's sitting in meetings at PNAC calling them a dangerous regime. HaHa, who made them more dangerous, Mr. Rumsfeld?
This document also mentions that public support would be very difficult to rally for these upcoming wars, and that a "Pearl Harbor Like Attack" would be very helpful. Now this is a public document, saying we need helpful Pearl Harbor attacks, that's motive, and practically admittance.

Sources:

PNAC offical site (http://www.newamericancentury.org/) read the documents.
Meacher talks about PNAC too (http://politics.guardian.co.uk/iraq/comment/0,12956,1036687,00.html)
Guardian UK - The Two Faces of Rumseld (http://www.guardian.co.uk/korea/article/0,2763,952289,00.html)

Not only this, but


"the US and the UK, are running dangerously low on hydrocarbon energy supplies. And by 2010 the Muslim world will control as much as 60% of the worlds oil production, and 95% of the remaining exportable oil. "

Protecting oil supplies in a crisis (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/937573.stm)
Taliban to Texas for Oil Talks (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/west_asia/36735.stm)
Bottom of the Barrel, the world is runnin out of oil, why do Politicans refuse to talk about it? (http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,3604,1097622,00.html)
Threats of US to strike Taliban weeks before the attacks (http://www.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,3604,556254,00.html)



Cui Bono(Who Benefits?)
Bush restricts 911 probes (http://www.thedossier.ukonline.co.uk/Web%20Pages/WASHINGTON%20POST_Bush%20Seeks%20To%20Restrict%20Hill%20Probes%20Of%20Sept%2011.htm)Top Taladan leader freed by US (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2003/10/09/wtal09.xml)
911 study hindered (http://www.sptimes.com/2002/05/09/Worldandnation/Graham__911_study_hin.shtml)
Bush trying to hide 911 information (http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/news/nation/5993628.htm)
911 documents to sensitive for realse (http://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/10/27/bush.911/)
Bush discourages 911 investagations (http://archives.cnn.com/2002/ALLPOLITICS/01/29/inv.terror.probe/)
Times of India - Bush took FBI agents off the Trail of Bin Ladens (http://www1.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/cms.dll/articleshow?art_id=1030259305)
Guardian UK - Agent Blasts FBI over 11 Sept 'cover up' (http://observer.guardian.co.uk/waronterrorism/story/0,1373,722426,00.html)


Goes on and on


Prominent 911 whistle blowers

One might wonder, if all of this evidence which literally swiss chesses the offical story being in existene, why has there not been more of an outcry about it? Well, there has, famous people all over the world have been questioning and exposeing the 911 coverup.

Micheal Meacher MP, former enviromental advisor in the British Government - This War on Terrorism is Bogus
former UK Government Minister speaks out about the standdown of NORAD on September 11th, PNAC and the pre-planned wars in Afghanistan and Iraq.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,...1036571,00.html (http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,3604,1036571,00.html)
http://www.prisonplanet.tv/audio/070204meacher.htm

Andre Van Buelow
Von Buelow is the former German Defense Minister and Minister of Technology. Von Buelow went public to say the US government carried out 9/11. His book is one of the bestsellers across Europe.
http://www.prisonplanet.com/021104vonbuelow.html
http://www.prisonplanet.com/020804vonbuelow.html

Robert Wright, FBI special Agent,
http://www.prisonplanet.com/FBI_agent_I_wa...error_probe.htm (http://www.prisonplanet.com/FBI_agent_I_was_stymied_in_terror_probe.htm)

Cynthia Mckinney (Representative D-GA) Grills Rumsfeld on wargames going on the morning of 9/11, he does not deny
http://www.infowars.com/articles/us/mckinn...ls_rumsfeld.htm (http://www.infowars.com/articles/us/mckinney_grills_rumsfeld.htm)

Morgan Reynolds, (former chief economist for the Department of Labor during President George W. Bush's first term) says 911 Offical story is a fruad
http://washingtontimes.com/upi-breaking/20...02755-6408r.htm (http://washingtontimes.com/upi-breaking/20050613-102755-6408r.htm)
http://www.lewrockwell.com/reynolds/reynolds7.html
http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=44787


AND, Jimmy Walters the billionaire activist has gone so far as to, run commericals on televission, showing the evidence behinde building seven, and has also offered a $100,000 reward to any enginner who can proove that the towers fell the way they were said to have fallen in the offical story.

http://inn.globalfreepress.com/modules/new...hp?storyid=1013 (http://inn.globalfreepress.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=1013)
September 11 conspiracy theorist offers prize - Reuters (http://reopen911.org/Yahoo!%20News%20-%20September%2011%20conspiracy%20theorist%20offers%20prize.htm)






Summary:


911 was such a cataclysmic event, it galvanized both the idiots and the intellectuals of America into a flag waving frenzy for nearly five years. 911 has become a never ending excuse to fight any war over seas, and implement any authoritarian rule domestically. Politicians were so quick to exploit this event, jumping in there tanks and battle suits while rushing 1000 page bills through the Senate and House. One has to wonder, why the knee jerk reaction of this attack was to shift into throwing a doublethink deception at the people, telling them to give up freedom for liberty before the smoke had yet to even clear from the air.

Giving up freedom for Liberty is a False Paradigm. No Liberty = Tyranny.

As the Roman judges used to say when a crime was committed, “key bono?”, or who benefits? The globalists who masterminded this attack want authoritarian control of America, invasion into uncontrolled Arab states, and overall a world climate that is so dangerous and unstable, the people will beg them for a one world government. A government ruled by them. Order out of chaos.

I've developed quite a case here, and I think my arguments are supported extremely well, even without all of my information on the towers; this is very strong evidence that we are being lied too, almost on a daily basis. Most of this literally proves the official story is a fraud and there's a lot of things I chose not to talk about, like 100s of Al-Queda and Taliban being flown out after 911, Insider trading right before 911, or Bush pulling FBI agents off of the Trail of the Bin Laden right before 911 (Edit: I did touch on that) and signing documents to protect them. However I've come to the conclusion that in this instance, the problem is there is actually TOO MUCH evidence here, so I won't even bother with the links for my last claims.

If you think I've made a compelling case, than I urge you learn more about this, because if I'm even remotely correct, and this New World Order aka the "Global Union" is created, by the same creatures who carried out this attack, I don't think your going to want to live under the tyranny grids they've constructed for you. I'm not charging the government with carrying this out, but these Rogue elements with tentacles into our government, who live in families who are worth five times as much as our countries annual budget. If you look more into this, I know you'll see that what I'm saying is true, this is what has happened with me. So please spread this thread around as much as you can, watch some of these movies I post at the bottom, PLEASE look into this more. I know when you find out what I'm saying is real, you'll fight it with even more compassion.

In the past only small pockets of people have had information on this subject, which served to cloak events in a protective secrecy. But lately a plethora of new information has been consolidated, creating an incredibly chaotic environment for the globalist where the risk of mass exposure is becoming very real. So once you learn, please spread this information on to others.

This is an information war, against elites with 90% of the wealth trying to control the political and financial systems to control mankind, and doing it for there own selfish desires. And information of this type is so much more powerful than any gun or grenade or tank or anything. Every single word we spew of resistance is a bullet, discharged from a chamber and sent into the heart of the New World Order Demon, and it will take a lot to kill it, but humanity will prevail.

911 Documentaries


Martial Law: 911 Rise of the Police State (The best damn 911 movie ever made)
http://www.prisonplanet.tv/images/march2005/040305martialcover.jpg
Windows Media Player:
Broadband:

http://www.revradio.org/movies/ml.wmv

Dial up:

http://www.revradio.org/movies/ml56k.wmv

Stream:

Broadband:

http://www.revradio.org/movies/ml.wmx

Dial up:

http://www.revradio.org/movies/ml56k.wmx

911- The Road To Tyranny (http://www.archive.org/movies/details-db.php?collection=independent_news&collectionid=911theRoadtoTyranny)

Paineful Deceptions
Painful Deceptions DVD Part 1 (pentagon) (http://reopen911.org/video/painful_deceptions-an_analysis_of_the_911_attack_part1.wmv)
Painful Deceptions DVD Part 2 (building 7 and the two towers) (http://reopen911.org/video/painful_deceptions-an_analysis_of_the_911_attack_part2.wmv)
Painful Deceptions DVD Part 3 (media propaganda) (http://reopen911.org/video/painful_deceptions-an_analysis_of_the_911_attack_part3.wmv)

The Masters of terror
2:00:09
http://thewebfairy.com/video/collected/Mas...ror_128KBps.wmv

911 Truth and Lies 4 parts

http://www.illuminaticonspiracy.org/files/...ndLiesPart1.wmv
http://www.illuminaticonspiracy.org/files/...ndLiesPart2.wmv
http://www.illuminaticonspiracy.org/files/...ndLiesPart3.wmv
http://www.illuminaticonspiracy.org/files/...ndLiesPart4.wmv

Michael Parenti-Terrorism, Globalism and Conspiracy
http://www.workingtv.com/media5/parenti1.wmv
http://www.workingtv.com/media5/parenti2.wmv
http://www.workingtv.com/media5/parenti3.wmv
http://www.workingtv.com/media5/parenti4.wmv
http://www.workingtv.com/media5/parenti5.wmv

Illuminazi 9-11
http://www.nwowatcher.com/downloads/illuminazi.wmv

The Microchip
http://www.nwowatcher.com/downloads/The%20Microchip.wmv

Free ebooks

The Secret Rituals of the O.T.O. (Illuminati, Templars, Freemasons, etc.).pdf (http://www.nwowatcher.com/ebooks/The%20Secret%20Rituals%20of%20the%20O.T.O.%20(Illuminati,%20Templars,%20Freemasons,%20etc.).pdf)
Order Out of Chaos - Paul Joseph Watson (http://www.nwowatcher.com/ebooks/Order%20Out%20of%20Chaos%20-%20By%20Paul%20Joseph%20Watson.pdf)
A Chronological History of the New World Order - Denis Cuddy (http://www.nwowatcher.com/ebooks/Chronological%20History%20of%20The%20New%20World%20Order%20-%20By%20Dennis%20Cuddy.pdf)
Conspiracy ebook - The New World Order - Milton William Cooper (http://www.nwowatcher.com/ebooks/conspiracy%20ebook%20-%20New%20World%20Order%20by%20Milton%20William%20Cooper.pdf)
Global Tyranny Step by Step - By WIlliam F. Jasper (http://www.nwowatcher.com/ebooks/Global%20Tyranny%20Step%20By%20Step%20-%20By%20William%20F%20Jasper.pdf)


A shit load more Documentaries and ebooks can be found here (http://www.nwowatcher.com/downloads.html)


Where's the cliff notes version? :lol:
its not that long is it.I read it:shutup:

[Rat Faced]

There were also a lot of people with high flying friends and relatives that were told not to fly on the Lockerbie flight 15 or so years ago..

And no-ones ever explained how 20 plus FBI Agents were on the scene removing evidence within 1 hour of that crash... or even why they were allowed to, as they have no authority in the UK.

1 Hour for an International Flight, thats some doing... London-Lockerbie on a private Jet would be over 2.5 hours, considering the closest airfields are Carlisle or Glasgow.. :rolleyes:

Of course, there was a CIA guy on there that was returning unexpectedly with some urgent news that he wouldnt trust to the communication systems... about some CIA operation.



J2... you were the one i meant when i said "wouldnt watch it" :P

There was a TV interview of the owner saying that the firemen rang him and told him they were going to demolish building 7.. plus audio tapes of the firemen saying the fires were under control, plus video footage of controlled explosions demolishing the twin towers ;)

'Course, that could never be the case :ph34r:

[GepperRankins]

Still, even if this isnt one big conspiracy, why would they demo the 7th building?

Building 7 was destabilized by the falling towers, and, as I remember, fell by itself about 5pm on the 11th.
:lol: :lol:



you serious?

[Everose]

So let me try to understand this. America has a problem with listening to the FBI and CIA. We never listen when we should and when we do listen, we shouldn't have.

We are damned if we do and damned if we don't.


DAMNIT!!!! :lol:

[ziggyjuarez]

So let me try to understand this. America has a problem with listening to the FBI and CIA. We never listen when we should and when we do listen, we shouldn't have.

We are damned if we do and damned if we don't.


DAMNIT!!!!
:huh: watch the video again and my reply

[Rat Faced]

Thats the thing Everose... just like the rest of us.

Their Job is to protect us, so we should listen to them.

They also have other interests, such as protecting their own and their friends ass's... unfortunatly this often takes precedance for the ones in charge. (shit rises here, as in everywhere else)



We are all in a no-win situation... welcome to the real world ;)

[ziggyjuarez]

Thats the thing Everose... just like the rest of us.

Their Job is to protect us
Thats some hippy love shit.They dont give a shit about you.they do what the people above tell them.

[Smith]

Did you not see the pics, it was perfectally fine. Why would that building "fall" and the buildings right next to the trade towers not?

[Rat Faced]

Thats the thing Everose... just like the rest of us.

Their Job is to protect us
Thats some hippy love shit.They dont give a shit about you.they do what the people above tell them.

They also have other interests, such as protecting their own and their friends ass's... unfortunatly this often takes precedance for the ones in charge. (shit rises here, as in everywhere else)

Quote all of it, not just a part of it.

Read the whole, then see what i'm saying..

Can't do this from part of a post.. Tsk Tsk

[Busyman]

Thats the thing Everose... just like the rest of us.

Their Job is to protect us, so we should listen to them.

They also have other interests, such as protecting their own and their friends ass's... unfortunatly this often takes precedance for the ones in charge. (shit rises here, as in everywhere else)



We are all in a no-win situation... welcome to the real world ;)
Dominion Heresy. Look it up.

[ziggyjuarez]

Thats some hippy love shit.They dont give a shit about you.they do what the people above tell them.

They also have other interests, such as protecting their own and their friends ass's... unfortunatly this often takes precedance for the ones in charge. (shit rises here, as in everywhere else)

Quote all of it, not just a part of it.

Read the whole, then see what i'm saying..

Can't do this from part of a post.. Tsk Tsk
precedence (http://rds.yahoo.com/S=2766679/K=precedance/v=2/SID=w/l=WSPT/KC=precedence/;_ylt=AjX1d47RdN4gYutOp1bep8RXNyoA/SIG=158e0gh6o/EXP=1123529514/*-http%3A//search.yahoo.com/search?p=precedence&sp=1&toggle=1&ei=UTF-8&fr=FP-tab-web-t-280&SpellState=n-729733595_q-jZOEzK%2FfES%2FdyE0FzeYI6QABAA%40%40)
you still making them look like the good guys.
Tsk Tsk Tsk:ermm:

[Rat Faced]

Precedence: Priority claimed or received because of preeminence or superiority...



So how is protecting their own and friends/bosses asses taking priority over doing what they are there for making them look good, exactly? :blink:

[ziggyjuarez]

Precedence: Priority claimed or received because of preeminence or superiority...



So how is protecting their own and friends/bosses asses taking priority over doing what they are there for making them look good, exactly? :blink:
Because it sounds like your making it out as if you think they only knew about it and protected their bosses.They helped in it. so saying


Their Job is to protect us, so we should listen to them

they could have stoped the whole thing.but that wasent apart of the plan.it was a goal not Precedence.

[GepperRankins]

i think he means thir job is supposed to be to protect us

[Everose]

:lol: Thank you for your welcome, RF, but I have been living in it and discouraged and frustrated by it for years now. I see very clearly that America is often singled out but often not alone in its foibles. And try as we may, I don't see any real change in the future. :(

Ziggy........I am sorry, I have read so many conspiracy theories about this And on the other side of the coin, I have read many articles that tear apart those theories bit by bit. One of my favorites was the Popular Mechanic article that Hobbes posted in here, as I felt it did address a lot of the issues and dispelled them. I guess we each have to read, compare, tear apart, and come up with our own conclusions. And that, fine sir, does take a lot of time. :frusty:

I don't take anything I read, hear or even see at face value anymore. I am a natural optimist who refuses to put her head in the sand. Sucks being me sometimes. :lol:

[Rat Faced]

US is often singled out, merely because they have the largest impact being the major player on the international scene.

I cant really think of any country that isnt affected by the same crap from their own Government/Security services. :(

[Everose]

Life sucks. Lets go have a beer. :D

[GepperRankins]

i'd love to see someone refute the WTC7 thing

[Everose]

If I remember right, Gepper, it was addressed in the Popular Mechanics article. But you will have to go look for it.........I can't be bothered. (thank you.......I have wanted to use the 'can't be bothered' phrase for some time...... :lol: ) Then you can let me know why you think their reasoning is wrong. ;) Unless you can't be bothered, in which case, I am cool with it. :D

[Skizo]

This vid has some interesting info on the trade center colapsing. Its very interesting, some stuff i never knew.

Well worth the download.

i'd love to see someone refute the WTC7 thing

This video gives consipracy theorists a bad name. Not since "Fahrenheit 9/11" have I seen such bombastic, utterly laughable garbage purporting to be "truth".

As for WTC 7? Watch the History Channel's presentation of Greatest Engineering Disasters in their Modern Marvels series and all of this is explained. There were no preplanted explosives or any other such nonsense.

[GepperRankins]

i'd love to see someone refute the WTC7 thing

This video gives consipracy theorists a bad name. Not since "Fahrenheit 9/11" have I seen such bombastic, utterly laughable garbage purporting to be "truth".

As for WTC 7? Watch the History Channel's presentation of Greatest Engineering Disasters in their Modern Marvels series and all of this is explained. There were no preplanted explosives or any other such nonsense.
anyone know where i can download this Greatest engineering disasters program?


i find it hard to believe a design flaw can make the owner and police lie, or make a building collapse in perfect fitting with controlled demolition because of small fires.

[Busyman]

i'd love to see someone refute the WTC7 thing

This video gives consipracy theorists a bad name. Not since "Fahrenheit 9/11" have I seen such bombastic, utterly laughable garbage purporting to be "truth".

As for WTC 7? Watch the History Channel's presentation of Greatest Engineering Disasters in their Modern Marvels series and all of this is explained. There were no preplanted explosives or any other such nonsense.
First rule of the internet...

When something is presented as fact it is fact.
There is no need for further research.
We've got the answer already, dumbshit.

[GepperRankins]

hey busy, i'm asking for sources to refute this. as far as i see it's impossible to make the building collapse like this. even if it was made out of wood (so fire could break it), it could not have collapsed so perfectly.


unlike others here. i like to see the whole story before deciding someone is wrong.

so does anyone have anything that says it didn't involve well placed explosives? republican blogs that call me crazy without confronting any accusations don't count

[Everose]

WTC 7 Collapse
CLAIM: Seven hours after the two towers fell, the 47-story WTC 7 collapsed. According to 911review.org: "The video clearly shows that it was not a collapse subsequent to a fire, but rather a controlled demolition: amongst the Internet investigators, the jury is in on this one."

FACT: Many conspiracy theorists point to FEMA's preliminary report, which said there was relatively light damage to WTC 7 prior to its collapse. With the benefit of more time and resources, NIST researchers now support the working hypothesis that WTC 7 was far more compromised by falling debris than the FEMA report indicated. "The most important thing we found was that there was, in fact, physical damage to the south face of building 7," NIST's Sunder tells PM. "On about a third of the face to the center and to the bottom--approximately 10 stories--about 25 percent of the depth of the building was scooped out." NIST also discovered previously undocumented damage to WTC 7's upper stories and its southwest corner.

NIST investigators believe a combination of intense fire and severe structural damage contributed to the collapse, though assigning the exact proportion requires more research. But NIST's analysis suggests the fall of WTC 7 was an example of "progressive collapse," a process in which the failure of parts of a structure ultimately creates strains that cause the entire building to come down. Videos of the fall of WTC 7 show cracks, or "kinks," in the building's facade just before the two penthouses disappeared into the structure, one after the other. The entire building fell in on itself, with the slumping east side of the structure pulling down the west side in a diagonal collapse.

According to NIST, there was one primary reason for the building's failure: In an unusual design, the columns near the visible kinks were carrying exceptionally large loads, roughly 2000 sq. ft. of floor area for each floor. "What our preliminary analysis has shown is that if you take out just one column on one of the lower floors," Sunder notes, "it could cause a vertical progression of collapse so that the entire section comes down."

There are two other possible contributing factors still under investigation: First, trusses on the fifth and seventh floors were designed to transfer loads from one set of columns to another. With columns on the south face apparently damaged, high stresses would likely have been communicated to columns on the building's other faces, thereby exceeding their load-bearing capacities.

Second, a fifth-floor fire burned for up to 7 hours. "There was no firefighting in WTC 7," Sunder says. Investigators believe the fire was fed by tanks of diesel fuel that many tenants used to run emergency generators. Most tanks throughout the building were fairly small, but a generator on the fifth floor was connected to a large tank in the basement via a pressurized line. Says Sunder: "Our current working hypothesis is that this pressurized line was supplying fuel [to the fire] for a long period of time."

WTC 7 might have withstood the physical damage it received, or the fire that burned for hours, but those combined factors--along with the building's unusual construction--were enough to set off the chain-reaction collapse.



This is from the Popular Mechanics 'Debunking the Myths' article, Gepper. They consulted 300 experts for their article, and listed them at the end. I am not convinced anyone is an 'expert' at what happens when planes fly into buildings, though, as most experts become that way based on experience, and these experts don't have much but hypothesis. After reading the whole article, though, I think they have more experience in these things than the people writing the conspiracy articles. But to each his own. :)

[ziggyjuarez]

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/SMALL_wtc-7_1_.gif