Ip's Being Tracked...
(Click here to view the original thread with full colors/images)Posted by: boogster
This is probably for you wizards out there... Just wanted to know if there's any truth to this... Should everyone start using proxies in the future? Does anyone care? Do other artists/record companies do this kind of thing?
Sorry if I'm repeating someone else's post. Checked but couldn't see anything similar.
This is from the Stratovarius.com [=a finnish power-metal band] Forum...
(entire thread: http://www.stratovarius.com/forum/viewtopi...hp?TopicID=2079 (http://www.stratovarius.com/forum/viewtopic.php?TopicID=2079) )
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"Jens Johansson has posted on the Timo Tolkki forum that they are tracking the people who are downloading the album and that they won't tour some places because of that. How can they track that?? And I don't think that's fair!!"
Every IP connection has two endpoints. Elementary, dear Watson. (no pun intended )
I knew this would happen (but not so soon! ) There are a few "honeypot" machines we have set up (all over the world) that show up as "hits" in kazaa, winmx, gnutella, edonkey, ftp search engines, etc. (yes, lots of ports forwarded to the same machine and many servers running concurrently on the same machine! They are all running in vmware "sandboxes" so it doesn't matter much if someone bothers trying any funny stuff!! You could even "format C:", it's only a sandbox and it will be back just like it was the next time the machine reboots)
They are broadband connections so the clients are encouraged to use them as part of a "multi source download" (even if that part of the transfer miraculously never somehow takes place from "our" machines -- the connection often just dies "for some strange reason" after the IP address is logged )
Of course, we do the reverse as well -- search in the client, log other machines that turn up as "hits" -- BTW this is a pain in the ass for some clients but there is a perl module called Win32::Setupsup which is really helpful with this (it can programmatically send any keystrokes you want to a windows app!)
Actually, if anyone of you guys are even thinking of hosting the files on one of your "home machines", I would strongly suggest not to (or i guess: do it from a completely different netblock.) There are not that many subscribers here (about 1000), even with all the posts here it's a very small subset of the total IP number space... and of course the logs from the past are there forever. If you do host them, we will go after you. We have to, unfortunately. I am as serious as cancer.
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Jens.
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Posted by: Ardor
Jens Johansson has posted on the Timo Tolkki forum that they are tracking the people who are downloading the album and that they won't tour some places because of that. How can they track that?? And I don't think that's fair!!"
That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard! The fact that someone downloads their music, means all the more that they have a fan-base in that area, and would/may pay for a live appearance.
Posted by: Bustacap2K2
Seriously. :P
Posted by: Nobody1234
I think if they stop touring in the places that download music they will end up staying home. :D
Posted by: boogster
I didn't mean the not touring part of the post. That IS stupid. And I don't think anyone would care...
Just the thing about them being able track people who download their songs and take legal action in countries
where this is possible... like Denmark, I think, (could be everywhere someday soon).
And. If a band like Stratovarius (most people probably haven't heard about them) do this, won't other bands/record companies do this as well. ARE they doing it now?
Posted by: SuperJude™
If you use LimeWite, you can by default view the IP#'s of whoever you are downloading from and who is downloading from you.
I know there is a way to do this with the new kazaalite, using the datview option, but I haven't really looked into it too much. I mean it does me little good to have an IP#. I mean what am I gonna do, DNS somebody for sharing a fake file?
A proxy likely would not work since most proxies are set up to mask your IP through a web browser and not necessarily a p2p, or so I think. You could play with the #'s on your ethernet mask, change your IP every couple days (nifty trick that works on on cable modem).
As for that band, who the fuck are they? They tour? Wow, I'll be sure not to see them.
This kind of stupid shit is why I will never ever again purchase a Metallica album, after that napster fiasco. Gotta love multi-millionaire musicians who act this way. They never seemed to mind people taping their albums, so what if we file share? It will happen anyway, one way or the other.
-SJ™
Posted by: Nobody1234
If you think a band themselves would try to "take legal action" you are not seeing the whole picture.
Think about it. How much do you think it would cost to take millions of people to court?
Posted by: SuperJude™
No they go after websites and p2p services, but this is the record industry we are talking about here. I would put nothing past them at all.
Just saying I was throughly UN-impressed with Metallica, a band I had paid a lot of money over the years to hear their records and see them live, then they act like nobody ever traded tapes, much the way we now trade files. Fuck them and all their kind, greedy fuckers.
-SJ™