Does This Board Need Rules Of Conduct?
(Click here to view the original thread with full colors/images)Posted by: deckard
I was scanning one of the other boards the other day and they had a list of rules posted at the top of their topics session. There were a lot of them and I thought it was kind of tightassed but that's their business. No porn, for example.
One of the things I like about this board is its openness of expression, and I don't want to screw with that since we seem to be a pretty well-behaved bunch (mostly). However I'm wondering if there are a couple of standards we all could agree on:
1: No racist posts.
That seems like a fairly clear-cut category where there would be very few ambiguous circumstances. The enforcement I would suggest would be on first offense, post or topic deleted and member receives warning. On second offense, banned from the board.
2: No excessive or malicious verbal abuse, including threats of any kind.
I'm not asking for the censorship of profanity, since I enjoy an occasional salty expletive now and again myself...I think it's a useful part of language in moderation. And likewise, we have all engaged in occasional tiffs and squabbles, as any large family will. But I think we all know when the exchange gets out of hand. Unfortunately there's a pretty broad grey area that would have to be left to the better judgment and discretion of the admins and mods. And since that kind of violation is often due to the heat of passion (unlike racism, which is generally premeditated, or at least previously thought out) enforcement should be given broader latitude, again left to the discretion of the mods. Perhaps a three strike policy for consistency, but I'm not sure...
What do you guys think?
Posted by: KinXen
I have a question... And I would really like to know. Whould this be a racist statment?
In chess, we divide it by two classes. The whites, and the blacks... In chess, the whites rule over black, thats because they go first. They are first... For they are white, and the others, they are black... So there are, the white, and the black...
Posted by: Colt Seevers
@Dek - You think too much :lol:
But seriously, I think there is room for improvement.
Your racisim point speaks for itself and believe me things like that just are not tolarated in the slightest, 3 strikes?, heh just try it once and see what happens. *ahem* Not that you would of course.
But yes I agree nothing wrong with a wee set of Do's and Don't's - Although I may be burning my own bridges here! heh!!
@Neo...hmm very shakey ground your standing on there!
Posted by: deckard
I knew there was a reason for those headaches... :lol:
Posted by: Rat Faced
I think all racism and sectarianism or religious bigotry is totally out of order.....
But does that mean I have to stop taking the Mick out of you Yanks???
When does a cheeky/joking statement become a rascist statement?
When will a statement get taken out of context, and a full scale Flame War start?
I think that its generally accepted that Rascisn etc on this board is not welcome, and I cant think of any instanses off hand that I could point to and say this is a race/religion issue...
Why highlight a problem in the real world that does not seem to exist here, and give it a platform to take off from?
There appear to be plenty likes/dislikes on the board, and plenty of Flaming...but these all seem to be on an individual level, and frankly livens up the board (everyone likes a cat fight ;) )
I say...if there is no problem, there is no need for a solution. :blink:
Posted by: deckard
Rat Faced Posted on 2 January 2003 - 20:37
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I think all racism and sectarianism or religious bigotry is totally out of order.....
But does that mean I have to stop taking the Mick out of you Yanks???
That's not racist, and besides, we probably have it coming...
But it's precisely that grey area regarding abusive language that bothers me, too.
Posted by: Colt Seevers
Originally posted by Rat Faced@2 January 2003 - 19:37
I think all racism and sectarianism or religious bigotry is totally out of order.....
Aye!
:D You saying Dekard's 'mixing it'? :lol:
that last comment was for comedy effect only.
If I sit on this fence anymore I will get splinters on my Arse! :P
Posted by: Mivaro
Originally posted by Rat Faced@2 January 2003 - 20:37
I say...if there is no problem, there is no need for a solution. :blink:
...And you can always make rules if it's needed, i don't think it's time for that now....
Mivaro
Posted by: tilen76
If it ain't broken don't fix it.
I believe everything is still "working" here, so no need to change it.
Posted by: Rat Faced
I should run for office...
Vote: "None of the Above"... :P
Posted by: ugluk
Originally posted by Rat Faced@2 January 2003 - 20:37
I say...if there is no problem, there is no need for a solution. :blink:
i agree with that. there is no real problem. if an argument becomes a flame war, that topic gets closed anyway. and racism, well that guy who did that a while ago is no longer around.
i like it open. everybody knows what's acceptable and what's not, and if someone forgets, he will know pretty fast! the addition of the mods solves these problems.
and besides, there's always people who just have to break the rules as soon as they see them!
Posted by: KinXen
Anyways lets say we have rulez now (btw we do have rulez... dont post requests in the stupid verifieds!), and I insulted someone of the three class's... What do I get for each?
Like, what do I get if I insult a
Member
GM (CornerPocket, El_Jefe, jetje)
Admin (Paul, VB)
Posted by: Colt Seevers
Originally posted by ugluk+2 January 2003 - 19:53--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (ugluk @ 2 January 2003 - 19:53)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Rat Faced@2 January 2003 - 20:37
I say...if there is no problem, there is no need for a solution. :blink:
i agree with that. there is no real problem. if an argument becomes a flame war, that topic gets closed anyway. and racism, well that guy who did that a while ago is no longer around.
i like it open. everybody knows what's acceptable and what's not, and if someone forgets, he will know pretty fast! the addition of the mods solves these problems.
and besides, there's always people who just have to break the rules as soon as they see them! [/b][/quote]
true true!
Posted by: Infested Cats
United States Government Policy: If it's not broken, fix it till it is...
Posted by: ShareDaddy
Speaking from previous experiences as most of you all know well, flaming and such should be allowed, I think so far the flamage is short lived and as RF put it, kind of makes this all feel real. I mean back when guests could post it was worse and normally directed at me, so the change that took place as far as guests posting in a special section is working out well for me. As far as rules against Racism, I say for the moment we stick with what already is in place, there were a few posts and I think those have been taken care of and I have not seen anymore, so as long as future incidents of the same magnitude are handled in a similar manner I think we should be all set. I remember the old saying "Rules were made to be broken", so why make them, rules that are just there without being published can in most instances work better. Just my perogitive.
Posted by: deckard
and besides, there's always people who just have to break the rules as soon as they see them!
You're so right about that...instead of solving a problem (that may not be too pronounced in the first place) it might actually create one...
Posted by: KinXen
I AGREE!
Anyways lets say we have rulez now (btw we do have rulez... dont post requests in the stupid verifieds!), and I insulted someone of the three class's... What do I get for each?
Like, what do I get if I insult a
Member
GM (CornerPocket, El_Jefe, jetje)
Admin (Paul, VB)
Posted by: Colt Seevers
Originally posted by NeoShoyru@2 January 2003 - 20:07
Like, what do I get if I insult a
Member
GM (CornerPocket, El_Jefe, jetje)
Admin (Paul, VB)
nice c+p!
Your really gaggin for an answer aint ye?
Posted by: KinXen
Well, I guess I could try here and now...
Posted by: CornerPocket
Originally posted by NeoShoyru@2 January 2003 - 14:13
Well, I guess I could try here and now...
I'm watching you NeoShoyru B)
I'm sure most of you read through the Terms of Agreement......you guys/gals did review it right? If not you should review the topics listed as Termination & Bulletin Boards and Chat Rooms, pretty much covers some of the thoughts discussed here.....and of course we all know of the common sense rule as well....I'm I right?
Posted by: dekord
Someone once said "rules are meant to be broken" so what happens then? another set of rules takes their place. We all sit back and like to be radical on occaisions,but in reality as most ppl i'm sure are aware, without rules there would be anarchy! So that said I think (as a new boy on the block)that this community is on the most part( :rolleyes: ) pretty decent and those few who start to break the common decency levels will soon be weasled out.Erm.. p.s. is farting ok?he-he.
Posted by: Rat Faced
without rules there would be anarchy!
Anarchy roolz!!!! :P
On the condition that..... ;) ;)
Posted by: Nobody1234
I think things should be left alone. If and when a "situation" arises we (and moderators) can deal with it on a case per case basis.
CornerPocket
I'm watching you NeoShoyruWhat you gonna do to him? :D :lol:
Posted by: El_Jefe
Originally posted by CornerPocket@3 January 2003 - 05:35
I'm sure most of you read through the Terms of Agreement......you guys/gals did review it right? If not you should review the topics listed as Termination & Bulletin Boards and Chat Rooms, pretty much covers some of the thoughts discussed here.....and of course we all know of the common sense rule as well....I'm I right?
From the Terms of Agreement, just in case anybody forgot. :)
You agree, through your use of this service, that you will not use this BB to post any material which is knowingly false and/or defamatory, inaccurate, abusive, vulgar, hateful, harassing, obscene, profane, sexually oriented, threatening, invasive of a person's privacy, or otherwise violative of any law. You agree not to post any copyrighted material unless the copyright is owned by you or by this BB.
Okay, so these are broken on a daily basis(I even break some of these :ph34r: ), and if something posted really bothers some one, contact a moderator or admin.
Posted by: mobboss01
I don't think we need to do it just because the other forums have it. Legally, if we need it, we should have it. I just think it would become a nuisance if it was in our faces all the time. Just my 2 cents.
Posted by: El_Jefe
Originally posted by Nobody1234@3 January 2003 - 06:17
CornerPocket
I'm watching you NeoShoyruWhat you gonna do to him? :D :lol:
Ever see Deliverance?
"You sure got a purty mouth"...........
"squeal like a pig, boy" :lol:
Uh oh, did I just break any of the rules? :unsure:
Posted by: chloe_cc2002
If there were to be some 'code of conduct' or 'rules' would there be a right of appeal from any decision which adversely affected a person? If so, would it be an independent forum? Who would this be comprised of? Would they be bound by the rules of administrative law?
Presumably these 'informal rules' wouldn't be enforced arbitrarily or capriciously. :)
Posted by: pete3003uk
Wow thats a mouthful Chloe try saying them words after the New Years Eve Refreshments :lol:
But yes if there is a rule to thumb then it has to fair to both parties as mitigations and appeals should be allowed.
Posted by: deckard
I think the consensus is pretty clear here, even from these few posts. Self-governance is preferred, and the abuse clause in the terms of agreement covers what was really my main concern.
Racist posts/topics seem to be dealt with quickly and effectively by the members themselves.
So I agree! Not needed!
Posted by: chloe_cc2002
Well its just that any terms or provisions in a contract, or any rules of conduct, whether legislative or found in some policy are still usually subject to interpretation and scrutiny.
Somebody raised punitive measures, and I was just wondering whether principles of punishment, eg rehabilitation, general and special deterrence, etc etc were to be taken into account in the broad exercise of discretion and if so, in what order :) Would insanity defences be considered? If so what types of conundrums would arise with self represented persons? What of other defences such as irresistible impulse', 'automatism', 'self defence' , 'provocation' etc. I am just intellectualising of course . I am not foreshadowing any particular scenarios? :)
Most prosecutorial bodies state for instance that it is their policy not to bring charges unless there is a reasonable prospect of conviction and it is in the public interest. The stated reason is that the 'community' would lose confidence in the justice system if decisions weren't seen to be made consistently and without any apparent or actual bias etc etc.
Posted by: pete3003uk
I think a warning should be pinned in the FAQs about certain taboos and that the 3 strikes and your out rule comes into place.
The moderators are entitled to PM users and warn them of there conduct and if it still continues then the warning can be posted for all to see.
If it takes 3 posted warnings then I guess thats it your out.
Posted by: Rat Faced
Originally posted by chloe_cc2002@2 January 2003 - 22:26
Well its just that any terms or provisions in a contract, or any rules of conduct, whether legislative or found in some policy are still usually subject to interpretation and scrutiny.
Somebody raised punitive measures, and I was just wondering whether principles of punishment, eg rehabilitation, general and special deterrence, etc etc were to be taken into account in the broad exercise of discretion and if so, in what order :) Would insanity defences be considered? If so what types of conundrums would arise with self represented persons? What of other defences such as irresistible impulse', 'automatism', 'self defence' , 'provocation' etc. I am just intellectualising of course . I am not foreshadowing any particular scenarios? :)
Most prosecutorial bodies state for instance that it is their policy not to bring charges unless there is a reasonable prospect of conviction and it is in the public interest. The stated reason is that the 'community' would lose confidence in the justice system if decisions weren't seen to be made consistently and without any apparent or actual bias etc etc.
Can I put myself up as Defence Consule.....
Cheap Rates ;) :rolleyes:
Posted by: chloe_cc2002
LOL@RF Can I put myself up as Defence Consule.....
Cheap Rates
What are your connections to the powers that be? Do you do pro bono or participate in the barter system? Are you multi-skilled? Are there any conflicts of interest?
How did you know that I was hinting at putting myself forward.......as Defence Consort..sorry Counsul...Counsel.. :rolleyes:
Posted by: Rat Faced
Originally posted by chloe_cc2002@2 January 2003 - 23:12
LOL@RF Can I put myself up as Defence Consule.....
Cheap Rates *
What are your connections to the powers that be? Do you do pro bono or participate in the barter system? Are you multi-skilled? Are there any conflicts of interest?
How did you know that I was hinting at putting myself forward.......as Defence Consort..sorry Counsul...Counsel.. :rolleyes:
I know what I said 'Consule'...thats what I meant (As in Consulate)
I was only planning on letting them moan at me and take their money for the Cheap Rates.
If they want me to RERESENT them.. it'll cost more ;)
Posted by: KinXen
Hey guys, im gona take my chances and insult everyone...
YOU ALL SMELL LIKE CHEETOS!
Hm... I think this insult kinda sucks...
Posted by: Skweeky
sucks on what? (referring to El Jefe's post)
to get back to the topic: we don't need new rules, if anyone breaks the standard rules of human manners he/she is quickly reprimanded by the other members.
Posted by: KinXen
Wait wait, let me try again...
YOU ALL LOOK LIKE CHICKEN BOOGERS!
Wait, that sucked to...
Anyways we do not need extra rulez for everyone here is very very nice... WE are one big happy family... :D
Posted by: Paul
Why would we need rules?
Everybody clearly knows when he/she crosses the line line of what is accepted.
Besides, there will always be people who break the rules.
That's why we got such an excellent moderating team. :P
Posted by: jetje
Freedom of speech is important. What fun would you have if you always 1st have to think if it's tolerated, not offending or whatsoever. The fun of a lot of spontanious posts will be lost. Think everyone on the board has a right to say what he/she wants. There are just some frontiers (somewhere), everyone with a bit of common sense knows that. So i like it the way it is now B) .
Posted by: bowiz
... I vote for: more women on the forum ... :P
Posted by: UKMan
Rulez Rulez Rulez - i dont need any more damn rulez - got enough of them in my everyday life Goddammit!!
Rulez are made up by power hungry sons of bitches and assume ignorance - and i aint ignorant right!? <_<
Posted by: KinXen
Now that I think about it, we do need more rulez... We need more women... Ages 1 and over... Wait...
Posted by: gumby
deckard, I believe your moment of truth has come.
Check out the post labeled "Random Jokes" in the Jokes section. I'm not Jewish myself, but I believe this dude has crossed that line of which you speakith.
Posted by: El_Jefe
Originally posted by gumby@5 January 2003 - 19:24
deckard, I believe your moment of truth has come.
Check out the post labeled "Random Jokes" in the Jokes section. I'm not Jewish myself, but I believe this dude has crossed that line of which you speakith.
I edited it out. I figure that if there's a question on whether a post has gone too far( at least on this subject), then it's best if it is edited or removed.
Posted by: deckard
Actually I never read the Jokes forum, everything else is funny enough (or not).
What, did I miss something exciting?
Posted by: gumby
Yeah, I'd say so. I mean, making fun of genocide to that extent. I'll tell you in private message, but I feel like I need a bath just mentioning it.
Posted by: deckard
Not important, let it go. Let them go.
Seriously. Unless it shows up again, let them go.
Just let them go.
Posted by: UKMan
Originally posted by gumby@5 January 2003 - 11:24
deckard, I believe your moment of truth has come.
Check out the post labeled "Random Jokes" in the Jokes section. I'm not Jewish myself, but I believe this dude has crossed that line of which you speakith.
Speakith?? - Now thats a word that should be banned straight away :D
(UKMan thinks silent thoughts..."should be spelt speaketh..but who's worried about silly things like that?")
Posted by: gumby
Hey, man. You takin' the mick on my Yank arse?
(BTW, that was my second lame attempt at Brit-speak for the day, for those keeping score at home :) )
Posted by: UKMan
Originally posted by gumby@5 January 2003 - 13:33
Hey, man. You takin' the mick on my Yank arse?
(BTW, that was my second lame attempt at Brit-speak for the day, for those keeping score at home :) )
Of course not, it was my New Years Resolution not to take the micky out of Yanks that cant talk proper :D
Only kidding of course - gotta keep the peace with our allies ;)
Posted by: deckard
I think a silly grammar argument would be helpful here...shouldn't it be 'thou shouldst speaketh'...? And correctly, referring to the (admittedly metaphorical) octopus of racism, shouldn't the precise phrase be "Ocktopoots Done Hath Got Me!"? I admit I don't know much about literary iconography but I guess it could be represented by a Rhinocerous as well, in which case the accepted phrase would be: "Rhineocklewurses did begat me!"
Unless it was Eleaphumps. I mean Heffalumps.
shit. I gotta go to work. :angry:
Where is Chloe now that we need her?
Posted by: UKMan
Originally posted by deckard@5 January 2003 - 13:57
I think a silly grammar argument would be helpful here...shouldn't it be 'thou shouldst speaketh'...? *And correctly, referring to the (admittedly metaphorical) octopus of racism, shouldn't the precise phrase be "Ocktopoots Done Hath Got Me!"? *I admit I don't know much about literary iconography but I guess it could be represented by a Rhinocerous as well, in which case the accepted phrase would be: "Rhineocklewurses did begat me!"
Unless it was Eleaphumps. *I mean Heffalumps. *
shit. *I gotta go to work. :angry:
Where is Chloe now that we need her?
no no no no.....
The correct grammer is "....thou wouldest speaketh....." :P
"Ocktopoots Done Hath Got Me!" - that was good though ;)
PS:
Anyone who starts a racial statement on this board dos'nt deserve a comment anyway - so i will leave that one alone <_<
Posted by: gumby
LOL. :)
Posted by: Đark Princ€
deckard i agree there should be sum rules!!!!!! but gettin in to flaming wars are apart of life!!!! but i agree!! but if the admins make to many rules that might drive ppl away like me cause the reason why i came to this site was you didnt need to watch your mouth and if sumone pissed me off i could flame on!!!!! there are to many sites with strict rules that make it so you gotta watch everything you do and i do not think that this site should be that way!!! but a few rules will be good!!
but on bigots i think that there should be sum rules but ppl gotta understand that i use words like NIGGA in my passwords(sumtimes) or my name for kazaa dosnt mean that im a bigot shit when have you seen sum one that dresses like a black person and listens to rap and sumtimes acts like a black person in the KKK its unheard of!!!! lol but i understand that sum ppl might take offence to my different names and such passwords but as i say all the time if you dont like the word or you take offence to the word then you must be one and i also say if you dont want me to use that word then black ppl should not use it either!!
i might be on shaky ground but hey thats the way i feel bout that!!! oppinions are like ass holes everybodys got one!!!!!!!!!!
gumby Posted on 5 January 2003 - 03:41
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Yeah, I'd say so. I mean, making fun of genocide to that extent. I'll tell you in private message, but I feel like I need a bath just mentioning it.
as far as that goes ummmmmmm i agree with you!!! that is sumthing i would not make fun of!!!!
Posted by: Yusuke
Originally posted by killa sin@5 January 2003 - 16:28
but i agree!! but if the admins make to many rules that might drive ppl away like me cause the reason why i came to this site was you didnt need to watch your mouth and if sumone pissed me off i could flame on!!!!! there are to many sites with strict rules that make it so you gotta watch everything you do and i do not think that this site should be that way!!! but a few rules will be good!!
ermm.....I really doubt flaming is allowed here, if for no other reason, cause it just wastes precious space on this forum and the server hosting it....but a mod/admin could tell you a definitive answer on that..
Posted by: Đark Princ€
(killa sin @ 5 January 2003 - 16:28)
but i agree!! but if the admins make to many rules that might drive ppl away like me cause the reason why i came to this site was you didnt need to watch your mouth and if sumone pissed me off *i could flame on!!!!! there are to many sites with strict rules that make it so you gotta watch everything you do and i do not think that this site should be that way!!! but a few rules will be good!!
ermm.....I really doubt flaming is allowed here, if for no other reason, cause it just wastes precious space on this forum and the server hosting it....but a mod/admin could tell you a definitive answer on that..
if ppl would'nt act like assholes it would not happin at all!!!! i could name a few and i could also name some that have been kool as shit like nobody/share daddy/mobboss/paul and vb!!!!! i mean i hav'nt been perfect either but some ppl just go out their way to be an ass!!!!!
Posted by: Yusuke
Originally posted by killa sin@5 January 2003 - 21:03
if ppl would'nt act like assholes it would not happin at all!!!! i could name a few and i could also name some that have been kool as shit like nobody/share daddy/mobboss/paul and vb!!!!! i mean i hav'nt been perfect either but some ppl just go out their way to be an ass!!!!!
Yeah, I agree with ya that some people go way overboard, but just ignore them, that's the easiest thing to do...
Starting a flame war with them does nothing but keeps them overboard and also makes you go overboard by flaming them...
Posted by: KinXen
Ya, never flame with a flamer... Cause, um, uh, cause I said so...