Sharman Sues Entertainment Industry
(Click here to view the original thread with full colors/images)Posted by: Sneepboy
:D Here's the article on CNET HERE (http://news.com.com/2100-1023-982344.html?tag=fd_top)
Posted by: Mivaro
Great!! Sharman strikes back! :D
Posted by: 4play
this article has confused me a little. what kazaa is now claiming is that the entertainment industry has an unfair advantage in the file swapping field because they own the copyrights to the files. am i right?
and i do not believe the kazaa network will win a court case with any fair use claim.
still nice to see someone sueing them for a change. I wonder if the riaa is gonna get it next for unfairly protecting the copyright of material. :lol:
Posted by: Zardoz
Wha t a coop
this has to be a delaying tactic
Am i correct in thinking that any suit by the entertainment industry against sharman
can't be concluded upon until this suit sharman is resolved
even if its's a seperate suit and not a counter suit.
Either way it's great to get in the first blow.
Posted by: Sneepboy
Originally posted by 4play@28 January 2003 - 12:44
this article has confused me a little. what kazaa is now claiming is that the entertainment industry has an unfair advantage in the file swapping field because they own the copyrights to the files. am i right?
Yeah, I think you're right. I think it is great though that someone is suing the entertainment industry.
Posted by: The Great Dude
This should be intresting.
Posted by: Mivaro
According to the lawsuit, Sharman and a partner called Altnet met repeatedly with movie and music industry executives over the course of 2002, seeking to license copy-protected content for online distribution. Providing legal, authorized versions of popular entertainment content would help mitigate piracy on the file-swapping system, Sharman and Altnet said.
A few industry executives were interested, but were “repeatedly instructed” not to pursue relationships with Sharman or Altnet by the Recording Industry Association of America and other trade groups, attorneys for Sharman said.
In this piece of text i understand Kazaa and Altnet wanted to do bussiness with a recordcompany(?). If the RIAA blocks that, i would say it's looking like a monopoly issue.
Damn, that English is difficult!
Posted by: zapjb
Excellent! :lol: :lol: :lol:
Posted by: Zardoz
According to the lawsuit, Sharman and a partner called Altnet met repeatedly with movie and music industry executives over the course of 2002, seeking to license copy-protected content for online distribution. Providing legal, authorized versions of popular entertainment content would help mitigate piracy on the file-swapping system, Sharman and Altnet said.
A few industry executives were interested, but were “repeatedly instructed” not to pursue relationships with Sharman or Altnet by the Recording Industry Association of America and other trade groups, attorneys for Sharman said.
In this piece of text i understand Kazaa and Altnet wanted to do bussiness with a recordcompany(?). If the RIAA blocks that, i would say it's looking like a monopoly issue.
Damn, that English is difficult!
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I'm pretty sure that's what the antitrust lawsuit is about
it's not pricefixing this time but limiting access to products to those who play don't ball and
Bush has stated publically that he want's the judiciary to come down hard on this sort of behaviour#
also the entertainment industry ahs been fined very heavily indeed and
ordered to decist from antitrust behaviour until I think 2005
so if they are found guilty it wont just be a slap on the wrist it will be contempt of court also
Posted by: ugluk
Go sharman! :lol:
Posted by: LSA
"Sharman and its cohort Kazaa, which built the world’s largest piracy network....."
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: They think that all that is on Kazaa is pirated files! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Posted by: worthf
I think that this is just as in the beginning when the TV and movie industry tried to stop the VCR. God forbid anyone record a TV show and show it to their friends! They might like it and buy the video compilations they come out with! (X-Files Season 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 and so on) :lol: I know I do! I'm sorry, but they cannot get rid of P2P! :o They would have to get rid of personal Computers, then MS, Dell, HP and Game manufacturers would get involved and have all their asses in court! :lol: But seriously, what I think that the music industry is afraid of is that those $13 CD sales may go down if people can buy just 1 song they want over the NET for much less!
Posted by: telemachus
Sharman is asking the judge to declare the copyright holders guilty of antitrust and related violations, and to bar them from enforcing any of their copyrights.
:o Wow, that seems to really be going for the jugular if it applies accross the board, they definitely apear to have no worries about riling the record labels. Correct me if i'm wrong but if that (and it's admittedly unlikely) goes through won't we have a situation where its perfectly legal to skip around burning cd's and passing them around at will, flagrantly ignoring the record labels. I mean they wouldn't even release any new material if such were the case. Even the smallest possibility of this working must be making them piss their pants :D .
Posted by: Sneepboy
Originally posted by telemachus@28 January 2003 - 21:29
Sharman is asking the judge to declare the copyright holders guilty of antitrust and related violations, and to bar them from enforcing any of their copyrights.
:o Wow, that seems to really be going for the jugular if it applies accross the board, they definitely apear to have no worries about riling the record labels. Correct me if i'm wrong but if that (and it's admittedly unlikely) goes through won't we have a situation where its perfectly legal to skip around burning cd's and passing them around at will, flagrantly ignoring the record labels. I mean they wouldn't even release any new material if such were the case. Even the smallest possibility of this working must be making them piss their pants :D .
You are right, however, I think for a good lawsuit of this kind, you have to go for extreme punishments so a bargain can be reached so that scenario will probably never happen.
I don't know much about law or legalese (and thats admittedly likely) but I think that's how it works.
Posted by: gumbydancin
I'm curious to hear the first response from the lawyers for the opposition/defense. I think we'll be able to see right away by the kind of response they have if they're actually worried about it. Go sharman, though!
Posted by: Katsuro
Originally posted by 4play@28 January 2003 - 19:44
this article has confused me a little. what kazaa is now claiming is that the entertainment industry has an unfair advantage in the file swapping field because they own the copyrights to the files. am i right?
No, not exactly, but I do see what theyre trying to do.
Its like this. Normally to sell or buy music, you have to get it on a CD at a record store, right? But some people see the value of distributing music through file downloads.
An example is the Altnet deal with Kazaa where you can buy a download. Or like some bands did back in the Napster days where they would release a popular or promotional track for free download on Napster as a promotion. Those are legal distribution uses of Kazaa that come in addition to its general file-sharing capabilities.
Basically the sharman folks are saying that by trying to shut down file sharing services, they are in effect forcing people to use the standard CD format for music distribution, and more specifically, force musicians to work with the record companies. Because you cant press your own CDs and get them sold at a record store (for the most part) becaue the stores wont buy them unless theyre from one of the record companies.
And the way that they are trying to shut down the altenative distribution channels is by trying to enforce their copyrights to material that is shared by users over these file sharing services, and is not under the control of the companies that make the software. In so doing, they are using their copyright enforcement to force their competition out of business.
Anti-competative practices == anti-trust case.
Posted by: moonshiner
Well if i did`nt downloaded from sharman do i face their fate?
or can i i still use noncommercial kazaa
and how are they gonna get rid of the whole network?
Posted by: moonshiner
I think its now beyond their control they cant just shut it down.
All they can do is to stop disttributing the programl
And if they want to shut it down they as well may try to shut
all of the f*****ng Internet down....