Any Info On Pci-express Mobos...
(Click here to view the original thread with full colors/images)Posted by: Pitbul
anyone know when the first PCI-Express motherboards are supposed to come out? and if any company plans on having both AGP and PCI-Express on the board or not? not PCI-X but PCI-Express theirs a diffrence. :smilie4:
Posted by: Mad Cat
We will be seeing the first PCI-Express compliant motherboards in Spring.
ATi's next cards (R420, codename Loki) is going to be primarily PCI express, but will ship with a PCI-Express to AGP bridge.
nVidia will carry on with AGP for its next card (nV4x) or so, but may create PCI express versions.
EDIT: Oh yes, PCI express isn't really anything special. Its increased bandwith through the PCI slots basically.
You're only going to notice much difference if you max out something like a PCI IDE controller.
Its like the difference between AGP4x and AGP8x.
Posted by: bigdawgfoxx
I think graphics cards should stay AGP...just to not confuse stuff lol
Posted by: Mad Cat
Originally posted by bigdawgfoxx@25 January 2004 - 22:45
I think graphics cards should stay AGP...just to not confuse stuff lol
AGP will probably not be able to handle it all soon, just because PCI express GPUs aren't really need now it doesn't mean they won't be in the future. From what I know, AGP is just accelerated PCI.
Posted by: tesco
Originally posted by Mad Cat+25 January 2004 - 18:26--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Mad Cat @ 25 January 2004 - 18:26)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-bigdawgfoxx@25 January 2004 - 22:45
I think graphics cards should stay AGP...just to not confuse stuff lol
AGP will probably not be able to handle it all soon, just because PCI express GPUs aren't really need now it doesn't mean they won't be in the future. From what I know, AGP is just accelerated PCI. [/b][/quote]
then why cant they just accelerate the agp port more instead of making these pci express video cards? its gonna cause a lot of headaches as noobs get new video cards and cant install them into tehir systems. Its bad enough now that people buy agp and only have pci slots, now there are three types of video cards.
Posted by: adamp2p
Originally posted by Mad Cat@25 January 2004 - 13:26
We will be seeing the first PCI-Express compliant motherboards in Spring.
ATi's next cards (R420, codename Loki) is going to be primarily PCI express, but will ship with a PCI-Express to AGP bridge.
nVidia will carry on with AGP for its next card (nV4x) or so, but may create PCI express versions.
EDIT: Oh yes, PCI express isn't really anything special. Its increased bandwith through the PCI slots basically.
You're only going to notice much difference if you max out something like a PCI IDE controller.
Its like the difference between AGP4x and AGP8x.
I am sorry Mad Cat, but you are completely wrong.
The results will be VERY tangible. Especially when it comes to graphics data.
http://images.anandtech.com/reviews/system/pciexpress/pci-ex-bw.jpg
Posted by: bigdawgfoxx
which one of those is PCI express?
Posted by: bigdawgfoxx
and will we be able to plug our old PCI cards into the new PCI express or what?..will the cards be completly diff and we will have to buy new cards?
And it shouldnt be called pci express..that sounds gay..it needs to be like agx or something cool like that haha..
Posted by: adamp2p
Originally posted by bigdawgfoxx@25 January 2004 - 17:07
and will we be able to plug our old PCI cards into the new PCI express or what?..will the cards be completly diff and we will have to buy new cards?
And it shouldnt be called pci express..that sounds gay..it needs to be like agx or something cool like that haha..
3GIO is PCI Express. It stands for 3rd generation I/O; or third generation INPUT/OUPUT.
I agree that PCI Express is kind of a lame name.
:D
One thing you should know about AGP is that it stands for (Accelerated Graphics Port). You also need to know that AGP is pretty much a one way street to the CPU. The exiting thing about 3GIO is that there is going to be data moving in both direction at very fast speeds. No benchmarks are available yet, of course because everyone who is testing them is under non disclosure agreements.
Posted by: _John_Lennon_
Originally posted by bigdawgfoxx@25 January 2004 - 20:07
and will we be able to plug our old PCI cards into the new PCI express or what?..will the cards be completly diff and we will have to buy new cards?
And it shouldnt be called pci express..that sounds gay..it needs to be like agx or something cool like that haha..
The letters E, and X are way overused already in relation to Extreme alone.........
Posted by: 4th gen
Originally posted by _John_Lennon_+26 January 2004 - 05:01--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (_John_Lennon_ @ 26 January 2004 - 05:01)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-bigdawgfoxx@25 January 2004 - 20:07
and will we be able to plug our old PCI cards into the new PCI express or what?..will the cards be completly diff and we will have to buy new cards?
And it shouldnt be called pci express..that sounds gay..it needs to be like agx or something cool like that haha..
The letters E, and X are way overused already in relation to Extreme alone......... [/b][/quote]
Exactly :)
Posted by: adamp2p
Originally posted by 4th gen+25 January 2004 - 22:06--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (4th gen @ 25 January 2004 - 22:06)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by _John_Lennon_@26 January 2004 - 05:01
<!--QuoteBegin-bigdawgfoxx@25 January 2004 - 20:07
and will we be able to plug our old PCI cards into the new PCI express or what?..will the cards be completly diff and we will have to buy new cards?
And it shouldnt be called pci express..that sounds gay..it needs to be like agx or something cool like that haha..
The letters E, and X are way overused already in relation to Extreme alone.........
Exactly :)[/b][/quote]
Of course, you mean EXactly
Posted by: 4th gen
Originally posted by adamp2p+26 January 2004 - 05:30--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (adamp2p @ 26 January 2004 - 05:30)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by 4th gen@25 January 2004 - 22:06
Originally posted by _John_Lennon_@26 January 2004 - 05:01
<!--QuoteBegin-bigdawgfoxx@25 January 2004 - 20:07
and will we be able to plug our old PCI cards into the new PCI express or what?..will the cards be completly diff and we will have to buy new cards?
And it shouldnt be called pci express..that sounds gay..it needs to be like agx or something cool like that haha..
The letters E, and X are way overused already in relation to Extreme alone.........
Exactly :)
Of course, you mean EXactly [/b][/quote]
EXpertly noted :)
Posted by: _John_Lennon_
Originally posted by 4th gen+26 January 2004 - 01:37--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (4th gen @ 26 January 2004 - 01:37)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by adamp2p@26 January 2004 - 05:30
Originally posted by 4th gen@25 January 2004 - 22:06
Originally posted by _John_Lennon_@26 January 2004 - 05:01
<!--QuoteBegin-bigdawgfoxx@25 January 2004 - 20:07
and will we be able to plug our old PCI cards into the new PCI express or what?..will the cards be completly diff and we will have to buy new cards?
And it shouldnt be called pci express..that sounds gay..it needs to be like agx or something cool like that haha..
The letters E, and X are way overused already in relation to Extreme alone.........
Exactly :)
Of course, you mean EXactly
EXpertly noted :) [/b][/quote]
EXceptionaly well done pun as well.
Posted by: Pitbul
hmm... :( ...not for another 2 months at least, DAMMIT i wanna build a new computer NOW! eh i still gotta wait for Windows Elements, and 64-bit Prescott.
Posted by: atiVidia
i read somewhere (i think XBit Labs) that SiS will release a pci-express compatible southbridge copatible with ALL their current chipsets
yes, this will be in spring.
Posted by: Mad Cat
Originally posted by adamp2p+26 January 2004 - 00:52--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (adamp2p @ 26 January 2004 - 00:52)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Mad Cat@25 January 2004 - 13:26
We will be seeing the first PCI-Express compliant motherboards in Spring.
ATi's next cards (R420, codename Loki) is going to be primarily PCI express, but will ship with a PCI-Express to AGP bridge.
nVidia will carry on with AGP for its next card (nV4x) or so, but may create PCI express versions.
EDIT: Oh yes, PCI express isn't really anything special. Its increased bandwith through the PCI slots basically.
You're only going to notice much difference if you max out something like a PCI IDE controller.
Its like the difference between AGP4x and AGP8x.
I am sorry Mad Cat, but you are completely wrong.
The results will be VERY tangible. Especially when it comes to graphics data.
http://images.anandtech.com/reviews/system/pciexpress/pci-ex-bw.jpg [/b][/quote]
Adam, I wasn't saying the bandwith difference wasn't so large. It is, and that is the whole point of PCI express. What I meant was that it won't really make a direct impact on graphics cards today. Once graphics cards start requiring more bandwith, this is when PCI express will be extremely useful.
Posted by: Mad Cat
Originally posted by Pitbul@26 January 2004 - 18:38
hmm... :( ...not for another 2 months at least, DAMMIT i wanna build a new computer NOW! eh i still gotta wait for Windows Elements, and 64-bit Prescott.
I heard 64 bit Intel is going to be a long time coming, but I'm not all that sure.
This article maybe of interest to you. Its a few months old, but here it is:
http://www.prweb.com/releases/2003/10/prweb85870.htm
Posted by: Pitbul
Originally posted by Mad Cat+26 January 2004 - 14:57--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Mad Cat @ 26 January 2004 - 14:57)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Pitbul@26 January 2004 - 18:38
hmm... :( ...not for another 2 months at least, DAMMIT i wanna build a new computer NOW! eh i still gotta wait for Windows Elements, and 64-bit Prescott.
I heard 64 bit Intel is going to be a long time coming, but I'm not all that sure.
This article maybe of interest to you. Its a few months old, but here it is:
http://www.prweb.com/releases/2003/10/prweb85870.htm [/b][/quote]
actually theirs been a very selected few japanese sites that have tested Prescott chips.
i dont know if its the 64-bit chip or just 32 bit prescotts (if their are 32-bit prescotts)