Cooling Fans And Thermal Compound
(Click here to view the original thread with full colors/images)Posted by: dbs
okay guys im planning on getting an Asus P4C800-E DELUXE mobo with aIntel Pentium 4/ 3.0C GHz 800MHz FSB, 512KB L2 Cache processor what I was wondering is what cooling fan should I get and what thermal paste should I use, also if you guys can recommend me a better or cheaper substitution for the motherboard that would be great thanks for any help in advance. constructive critiscm is all i really need:D
Posted by: atiVidia
try to get a p4 prescott (3.0e)
and the mobo is fine so...
Zalman CNPS7000A-Cu
here (http://www.silenx.com/productcart/pc/viewCat_Z.asp?idCategory=5)
it should fit.
use this (http://www.newegg.com/app/viewProductDesc.asp?description=35-100-009&depa=0) with it ;)
Posted by: dbs
Thanks atividia :lol: and what do you think of this (http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=13-127-153&depa=0) mobo you think it would do good?
Posted by: clocker
Any Arctic Silver product (3, 5, or Ceramique) will be fine...just be sure that it is real Arctic Silver and not the fakes found all over the place.
I am amazed and pleased by ATI's recommendation of the 7000cu ( I have one myself, but it is not the most popular HS in other forums I frequent), but you should be aware that it's prime design goal was to be a good cooler while also being very quiet.
There are other HSs which will cool slightly better ( maybe) at the cost of higher noise levels, like the Thermalright SP series or even the Gigabyte heatpipe towers.
My current favorite solution, which has all the various factors covered ( good, stable heat dissapation, good looks and quiet operation) is the Zalman Reserator. (http://www.bit-tech.net/review/315/)
My local MicroCenter has had one set up and running for about a week now on the machine that they use as a jukebox in the "Upgrades" area.
Yes, it is kinda pricey ($250), and it is giant, but it is beautifully made and looks great. Completely silent, too.
I burned MBM5 to a CD and talked the department head into loading it and have been checking the temps when I go by.
Much better than the Aquarius III set up they had before ( no surprise there) and so far, dead stable.
I'd get it if I could.
Posted by: abu_has_the_power
clockers rite. i'd go with arctic silver 5, but if u're new at this, ceramque might be better. also, for ur mobo, abit 875 max II will do just bout the same stuff. if u want to spend that much $, the abit 875 max III is really good. i think it's better than the p4c800c, but thats just me
Posted by: dbs
thanks for the reply clocker and ati do you think that the zalman CNPS7000A-Cu will be good for overclocking? i havent overclocked before so ill have to learn more about that.
Posted by: dbs
thanks abu i was thinking about trying it :lol:
Posted by: dbs
I think Ill get a 2.8e prescott and overclock it thatnks for the replys guys
Posted by: clocker
DBS,
I run my 2600+ clocked at 2.3 GHz (I can go higher, but I'd have to raise the vCore, which I don't want to do) and the Zalman does wonderfully well temp-wise.
Any combination that you end up with is going to require a lot of tinkering with to optimise...there is no such thing as perfect-out-of-the-box.
All air-cooled rigs demand some work, it's part of the fun, especially if you plan on clocking up.
Posted by: dbs
thanks clocker. hey abu would it be a big difference in performance if i got the max 3 over the max 2?
Posted by: atiVidia
max3 is better
yes the zalman is amazing for overclocking but when u want to OC it u may also need to set the fan to "normal" speed.
the normal speed may be quite loud, but it is very effective too :-)
here (http://www.newegg.com/app/viewProductDesc.asp?description=13-127-158&depa=0)
it also looks like the site i gave to u at the top carries an amazing reseller rating of 9.74 out of 10
here (http://www.resellerratings.com/seller4906.html)
Posted by: abu_has_the_power
Originally posted by dbs@8 May 2004 - 18:28
thanks clocker. hey abu would it be a big difference in performance if i got the max 3 over the max 2?
max 3 has better cooling, and some extra features and a hefty cost too. max 2 will do u just as well, same bios and ocing features. the asus p4c800e has ai ocing, which doesn't do shit and ups ur vcore like a mad fuck. c my sig? i did all that without uping vcore 1 bit. so don't go with asus. the max2 will be fine
Posted by: bigdawgfoxx
I thought the prescott wasnt that good right now. Only the higher clocked ones would be...
It runs hotter and not any faster really right?
Posted by: clocker
Originally posted by atiVidia@8 May 2004 - 16:41
yes the zalman is amazing for overclocking but when u want to OC it u may also need to set the fan to "normal" speed.
the normal speed may be quite loud, but it is very effective too :-)
ATI,
You have a 7000 also?
I didn't know that.
I recently modded mine and swapped out the fan for a higher output Sunon 92mm.
More CFM and LOWER RPM.
It's worth doing, I think.
Posted by: dbs
oh yeah I forgot to ask what videocard I should use with the abit max3, but i would prefer one thats inexpensive as am running short on money after buying all of this, plus are you sure about the proccessor is that the best choice for me?
Posted by: abu_has_the_power
if ur running low, don't get the max 3 and get the max2
Posted by: dbs
well so far this is all costing me $410 without the ram and the vid card and I have about 550 to spend so do ya guys have any suggestions on the ram and the vid card that i should get?
Posted by: abu_has_the_power
if u want to oc, ur ram will prob be around $100
Posted by: bigdawgfoxx
I knocked the shittt outa my self today..
I was riding on the back of a 4wheller..and started to fall off...and like my feet were on the rack and my head was dragging and digging in the pavement...i was nocked out then came to and shit was spinnnnning...had to go to er and they pulled some rocks out...hurts like hell lol
Posted by: tesco
Originally posted by bigdawgfoxx@8 May 2004 - 19:29
I knocked the shittt outa my self today..
I was riding on the back of a 4wheller..and started to fall off...and like my feet were on the rack and my head was dragging and digging in the pavement...i was nocked out then came to and shit was spinnnnning...had to go to er and they pulled some rocks out...hurts like hell lol
:lol: u ok? lol
dbs, any radeon 9500 or higher, or any geforce fx 5200 or higher are all good, and the price should be coming down a lot on them...
if you dont game AT ALL and dont plan to game at all, then an mx440 would be just fine, the 5200 is around teh same performance, but has direct x 9 support so its more expensive. i woudlnt recomend buying it.
Posted by: dbs
will I have to get an abit one for the vid card or will it not matter what kind I get?
Posted by: tesco
Originally posted by dbs@8 May 2004 - 20:02
will I have to get an abit one for the vid card or will it not matter what kind I get?
any new motherboard out will support agp 4x and 8x cards, and all teh new videocards out are agp 4x or 8x, so your good.
Posted by: clocker
Originally posted by dbs@8 May 2004 - 17:25
well so far this is all costing me $410 without the ram and the vid card and I have about 550 to spend so do ya guys have any suggestions on the ram and the vid card that i should get?
You are cutting it pretty fine now.
In order to OC at all, and really, just to have a decent, stable system, you are going to need at least 512MB of halfway decent RAM.
Depending on your choice, that may only leave you with pennies left from your remaining $140.
Do you have any sort of vid card that you can limp by with until you raise more cash?
If you try to stretch the $140 to cover RAM and video, you'll end end up with mediocre examples of both...hate life, be unhappy and ultimately, probably kill your dog.
We don't want that, do we?
Posted by: dbs
lol clocker well i think ill get mediocre ram and will hold off on the oc'ing until my next paycheck. so I guess that'll work. hey clocker do ya think that the presscott 2.8e with ht is a good idea? whadda ya THink?
Posted by: atiVidia
Originally posted by dbs@8 May 2004 - 19:08
oh yeah I forgot to ask what videocard I should use with the abit max3, but i would prefer one thats inexpensive as am running short on money after buying all of this, plus are you sure about the proccessor is that the best choice for me?
lol u willing to spend 400 bucks?
my local compUSA is gonna sell the X800 pro starting may 9 until may 12 (i dont believe they will receive another shipment untim late june :P)
anyhow, this may apply to all compUSA stores. so...
otherwise, pick up a 9800xt from newegg. i think theyre at 270 not ;)
Posted by: atiVidia
Originally posted by dbs@8 May 2004 - 20:18
lol clocker well i think ill get mediocre ram and will hold off on the oc'ing until my next paycheck. so I guess that'll work. hey clocker do ya think that the presscott 2.8e with ht is a good idea? whadda ya THink?
2.4e
when u get the chance to OC it, and u pick up a 7000cu, u can make it hit 3.2ghz
Posted by: dbs
thanks atividia but wouldnt the 2.8e overclock even higher? And oh yeah Im getting the 7000A-Cu with the whole package
Posted by: Virtualbody1234
Have you considered AMD instead of Intel?
Posted by: dbs
yeah I have virtual but I just wanted to go with intel for some strange reason, why what would you reccomend.
Posted by: tesco
Originally posted by dbs@8 May 2004 - 22:25
yeah I have virtual but I just wanted to go with intel for some strange reason, why what would you reccomend.
well amd is a lot chaeper for the same perforamnce of chip, or atleast close.
at the moment, 64bit is the best amd processors. but the best deal out there is to buy an athlon xp 2500+, i think they are $90 us, and some pc3200 ram, and oc the 2500+ to 3200+ speeds. It is possible using the stock heatsync, along with some arctic silver 5 thermal paste, and the bare minumum of fans (my opinion of the bare minimum; one intake, one exhaust) many members on this forum have done that, and i did it to my aunts computer. it wasn't hard at all. her temps are like 40 idle, 45 load.
Posted by: Keikan
It is very possible using stock cooling, many members on this forum have done that
o sure that sounds good but in reality nata.
Posted by: tesco
Originally posted by Keikan@8 May 2004 - 22:39
It is very possible using stock cooling, many members on this forum have done that
o sure that sounds good but in reality nata.
?
what do you mean?
nvm i get it, i edited the post.
Posted by: bigdawgfoxx
Ok...every review ive seen has said dont get the prescott yet, wait for higher speeds, because there is not any performance increase, and they run alot hotter...
Posted by: Keikan
well people say you can oc a 2500+ to 3200+...with a stock heatsink
What do you mean by 'stock heatsink'? In order to do this with a 'stock heatsink' u gotta take out the pad put some artic silver. Well it isn't a 'stock heatsink' or 'stock cooling' anymore is it?
it sort of a gimmick really, thats why i'm at 2ghz with a true stock heatsink
Posted by: tesco
Originally posted by bigdawgfoxx@8 May 2004 - 22:55
Ok...every review ive seen has said dont get the prescott yet, wait for higher speeds, because there is not any performance increase, and they run alot hotter...
and they are more expensive...
well people say you can oc a 2500+ to 3200+...with a stock heatsink
What do you mean by 'stock heatsink'? In order to do this with a 'stock heatsink' u gotta take out the pad put some artic silver. Well it isn't a 'stock heatsink' or 'stock cooling' anymore is it?
it sort of a gimmick really, thats why i'm at 2ghz with a true stock heatsink
What I call a stock heatsync is the 60mm*60mm hunk of metal that comes with a retail cpu. It doesnt matter (to me) if the fan has been changed, or the thermal paste has been changed. its still a stock heatsync.
Posted by: atiVidia
heatsink, rossco.
unless u live outside the US, its spelled "heatsink" as in, its a sink for draining heat ;)
@dbs: the 2.4 would OC more. the 2.4 chips from intel are known all over for their supreme OCability :teehee:
its also cheaper. lastly, make sure u get the 2.4e
Posted by: tesco
Originally posted by atiVidia@8 May 2004 - 23:15
heatsink, rossco.
unless u live outside the US, its spelled "heatsink" as in, its a sink for draining heat ;)
lol
i know, i prefer to spell it heatsync, and i do live outside the us, im in canada, but i dobt it makes any difference. ;)
Posted by: Virtualbody1234
Originally posted by Keikan@8 May 2004 - 21:56
well people say you can oc a 2500+ to 3200+...with a stock heatsink
What do you mean by 'stock heatsink'? In order to do this with a 'stock heatsink' u gotta take out the pad put some artic silver. Well it isn't a 'stock heatsink' or 'stock cooling' anymore is it?
it sort of a gimmick really, thats why i'm at 2ghz with a true stock heatsink
A 2500+ with the heatsink, fan and thermal paste all stock can be overclocked to 3200+ speeds. I have tested that myself.
I then removed it and applied Arctic silver and an 80MM fan with a fan adaptor but it does work completely stock.
Posted by: tesco
Originally posted by Virtualbody1234+8 May 2004 - 23:30--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Virtualbody1234 @ 8 May 2004 - 23:30)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Keikan@8 May 2004 - 21:56
well people say you can oc a 2500+ to 3200+...with a stock heatsink
What do you mean by 'stock heatsink'? In order to do this with a 'stock heatsink' u gotta take out the pad put some artic silver. Well it isn't a 'stock heatsink' or 'stock cooling' anymore is it?
it sort of a gimmick really, thats why i'm at 2ghz with a true stock heatsink
A 2500+ with the heatsink, fan and thermal paste all stock can be overclocked to 3200+ speeds. I have tested that myself.
I then removed it and applied Arctic silver and an 80MM fan with a fan adaptor but it does work completely stock. [/b][/quote]
yes i know, but me and keiken were having an argument becuase he could not get his to overclock that far, his temps are really high, so i decided to edit the post just to be certain...
but ya, when I did my aunts I had the stock heatsink and fan, and an intake fan, and an exhaust fan, and used the thermal pad. the temps were about 45 idle so i decided to put on some arctic silver 5, and the temps are around 40 now...i beleive.
Posted by: Keikan
myself i have an all stock heatsink, 1 intake fan and 2 exsaust fans at the back
cpu is about 48-50 degrees idle, heavens know what it is loaded.
case temp is 24-28 degrees
on a hot day the cpu can go to about 57 degrees
Posted by: bigdawgfoxx
This is a completly different core. The 2.4C would overclock a ton, but how do you know the 2.4E will?
Plus they run hotter...wouldnt he be better of getting a 2.4C just because it is cooler. Reviews have said there is no performance increase...
Posted by: atiVidia
Originally posted by bigdawgfoxx@9 May 2004 - 08:00
This is a completly different core. The 2.4C would overclock a ton, but how do you know the 2.4E will?
Plus they run hotter...wouldnt he be better of getting a 2.4C just because it is cooler. Reviews have said there is no performance increase...
rofl forget the 2.4E its on a 533mhz bus <_<
get a 2.8E
how come i didnt know that :huh:
Posted by: bigdawgfoxx
Wouldnt 2.8C be better?
ATI, you say your not an nvidia fanboy, but in your avatar you say you want a 6800Ultra, even though the ATI X800XT is a better card. Whats up with that? And dont say its not a better card...because everyone thinks it is.
Posted by: dbs
crap now im confused! what do I get the 2.4c or the 2.4e or do i get the 2.8e or the 2.8c? holy shit someone help me!
Posted by: bigdawgfoxx
On a review I saw, it says that the best bet would be a 2.8C, because it runs cooler and just as fast as the 2.8E. Cooler means better for overclocking.
Posted by: dbs
thanks bigdawg :D
Posted by: bigdawgfoxx
I would wait for some more answers though...
Posted by: dbs
waiting....
Posted by: bigdawgfoxx
On toms hardware...the 2.8C wins some test, 2.8E wins others...the 1Mb of L2 cache really help..but makes it alot hotter so here is what I would do.
If I was gona overclock I would get a 2.8C
If I wasnt gona overclock, I would get 2.8E
I dont know if 2.8E is good for overclocking or not.
Posted by: atiVidia
id say 2.8e
yu can still OC it, and the extra cache really helps for speed :)
Posted by: dbs
thanks for the help guys , i guess ill wait to see if i get some more answers
Posted by: dbs
more answers....
Posted by: dbs
waiting... :helpsmile:
Posted by: clocker
What answers are you looking for?
Posted by: SciManAl
clear
Posted by: atiVidia
2.8e and thats my final answer :)
Posted by: dbs
ok then 2.8e it is... i think
Posted by: SciManAl
clear
Posted by: tesco
Originally posted by SciManAl@15 May 2004 - 08:43
i am no p4 man, but looking at the boards etc i thin thats pretty true...
what a useless post <_<
just like this post :lol:
Posted by: SciManAl
clear
Posted by: dbs
thanks for the help ( and the useless post)