Jewish settlers leaving the Gaza strip?

[Formula1]

What do you guys think, is it the right thing?

[Rat Faced]

Its a start...

[whypikonme]

It's probably a finish too, can you imagine the fuss if they try to evacuate the West Bank?

l can't understand how they can justify shooting Palestinians for doing the same thing but not the settlers.

l think Israel will regret this move, they think it will lead to the Palestinians agreeing to them keeping what they have stolen in the West Bank, but the Palestinians will never agree to it.

l also don't believe they pulled out for purely peaceful purposes, as Hezbola has claimed, they were kicked out too, too many Israelis killed and impossible to police the place. The West Bank is a different thing, they have built a wall to protect them, and are abandoning the hardest ones to defend.

[maebach]

It's probably a finish too, can you imagine the fuss if they try to evacuate the West Bank?

l can't understand how they can justify shooting Palestinians for doing the same thing but not the settlers.

l think Israel will regret this move, they think it will lead to the Palestinians agreeing to them keeping what they have stolen in the West Bank, but the Palestinians will never agree to it.

l also don't believe they pulled out for purely peaceful purposes, as Hezbola has claimed, they were kicked out too, too many Israelis killed and impossible to police the place. The West Bank is a different thing, they have built a wall to protect them, and are abandoning the hardest ones to defend.

Exactly what I was going to say. But It IS THEIR LAND though isnt it?

[MediaSlayer]

it's probably a good move, the timing is certainly needed to ease tensions on both sides imho. time will tell.

[Rat Faced]

Its already had one huge effect on the Diplomatic front of the Middle East..

Iran, which has never recognised Israels right to exist, has stated that when the withdrawal is complete it will support the 2 State solution.

This is a de-facto recognition of Israel's right as a country from one of the most Islamic of States... I suspect, however that they will wish the internationally recognised borders before formerly recognising Israel.

This will always be the stumbling block... Israel has no intention of giving back the entire West Bank, and the Golam Heights was annexed.

Syria however has stated for years it will forgo its claim on the heights if the rest of the occupied territories were returned. Until that time, it maintains its claim.

[whypikonme]

Syria however has stated for years it will forgo its claim on the heights if the rest of the occupied territories were returned. Until that time, it maintains its claim.

Where did you see that? l can find no such declaration, in fact, Syria was talking about an Israeli pull-out at this year's Arab Summit.

Here's an interesting read .. MEI Perspective. (http://www.mideasti.org/articles/doc289.html)

[peat moss]

All I can add was the brutal picutres of children being dragged from thier homes it was sicking while watching the news last night .:(

[Busyman]

All I can add was the brutal picutres of children being dragged from thier homes it was sicking while watching the news last night .:(
Maybe the parents should have relieved them of such brutality by leaving.

The thing is..this will not appease Islamic extremists.

[whypikonme]

The thing is..this will not appease Islamic extremists.

Or Jewish extremists.

[ruthie]

The thing is..this will not appease Islamic extremists.

Or Jewish extremists.

All true, but is way past time they got out of the occupied territories. They've no right to them. i wish they would give back all the land.

[Rat Faced]

All I can add was the brutal picutres of children being dragged from thier homes it was sicking while watching the news last night .:(
Maybe the parents should have relieved them of such brutality by leaving.

The thing is..this will not appease Islamic extremists.

Better than shooting them, which is what would have happened if they'd been Palestinians.. :rolleyes:

An American impying that Iran isnt run by Islamic extremists.. Go Figure..

[Rat Faced]

Syria however has stated for years it will forgo its claim on the heights if the rest of the occupied territories were returned. Until that time, it maintains its claim.

Where did you see that? l can find no such declaration, in fact, Syria was talking about an Israeli pull-out at this year's Arab Summit.

Here's an interesting read .. MEI Perspective. (http://www.mideasti.org/articles/doc289.html)

I got taught that at school... when the Golan Heights were current affairs instead of History :P

I did say that they would only give up the claim if Israel went back to its pre-1967 borders in total... that wont happen; Syria knows it wont happen and so the claim is, rightfully, kept by Syria.

[Busyman]

Maybe the parents should have relieved them of such brutality by leaving.

The thing is..this will not appease Islamic extremists.

Better than shooting them, which is what would have happened if they'd been Palestinians.. :rolleyes:

An American impying that Iran isnt run by Islamic extremists.. Go Figure..
Bad writing on my part.

I'm saying that Israel leaving the Gaza strip won't appease Islamic extremists.

I even wonder if the whole West Bank and Golan Heights were evacuated would it appease them.

[JPaul]

Or Jewish extremists.

All true, but is way past time they got out of the occupied territories. They've no right to them. i wish they would give back all the land.
Once again I agree.

Further that the Europeans give the land back to the native Americans, Australians, Africans, New Zealanders and all of the rest they took it from.

In fact, let's everyone give the land back to it's indigenous population. At the same time removing all of the technology, investment and infrastructure we imposed on their way of life. It's the only reasonable way to go.

[Rat Faced]

At the same time removing all of the technology, investment and infrastructure we imposed on their way of life. It's the only reasonable way to go.

They are, arent they? (The Israeli's that is)

@ Busyman

Withdrawing from Gaza is great, however to do it at the same time as announcing more settlements in the West Bank as has been done, seems a little mental.

All the good that withdrawing from Gaza did, has been wiped out at a stroke..

Face it,

IMHO the Israeli government doesnt want peace with its neighbours.. that would entail the loss of all those American Dollars that keep the place going.

They will bow to pressure on one front and delibratly create problems to keep the staus quo on another.

Edited:
To add that it was IMHO, and not a fact..

[JPaul]

At the same time removing all of the technology, investment and infrastructure we imposed on their way of life. It's the only reasonable way to go.

They are, arent they? (The Israeli's that is)

I have no idea.

I don't know who the indigenous population of the region is / was.

[Rat Faced]

They werent the Jewish people were they?

Didnt the Jews invade the people already there when they escaped from Egypt to "The Promised Land"?

*reminds everyone that RF isnt a Christian and hasnt read the short story collection that Christians/Jews all rave about...

[JPaul]

They werent the Jewish people were they?

Didnt the Jews invade the people already there when they escaped from Egypt to "The Promised Land"?

*reminds everyone that RF isnt a Christian and hasnt read the short story collection that Christians/Jews all rave about...

Reminds everyone that RF is going thro' his bitter and twisted phase and that being Jewish, or Muslim, or Christian or anything else is a religious thing and has nothing to do with who the indigenous population is.

[whypikonme]

Reminds everyone that RF is going thro' his bitter and twisted phase and that being Jewish, or Muslim, or Christian or anything else is a religious thing and has nothing to do with who the indigenous population is.

It is when you are talking in the context of who settled the place first, as the Jews are considered a race, as well as a religion, and they settled everywhere they ended up, they have no historical 'starting place'.

[RPerry]

*reminds everyone that RF isnt a Christian and hasnt read the short story collection that Christians/Jews all rave about...

I didn't know it was required to be Christian to read that book. :blink:

[MediaSlayer]

I don't have any books near me, I am using a public computer(as i still don't have an ISP of my own) but i would say off hand that after the deluge there existed three "root families" or "root races" that sprung from shem, ham, and japheth. the shem seed would later become refined into the semitic(jewish) people, the ham seed were connected to egypt(because egypt was known as the land of the sons of ham), and the japheth seed is probably the progenitor of modern day russians, chinese, and to a smaller extent the rest of the non-african world. now skipping way ahead, ahraham was born in modern day iraq, and he was a descendant of shem. the family moved around, landing in egypt(i think because of a famine). then they came up out of egypt and displaced the people that were there, like the hittites, the jebusites, ect...


edit:some corrections

[whypikonme]

As Israeli forces removed residents from the last Jewish settlement still to be cleared in the Gaza Strip yesterday, Ariel Sharon sought to win back support from the Israeli right by promising continued expansion of Israel's West Bank colonies and no more unilateral pullouts.
The prime minister's remarks came as troops cleared Netzarim settlement, which Mr Sharon famously declared three years ago was as much part of Israel as Tel Aviv.

Yesterday, security forces removed the settlement's 120 families amid tears and fury but no physical resistance, completing the evacuation of all 21 Jewish settlements in the Gaza Strip in less than a week. The military originally said it would take three times as long.

Embittered Netzarim residents directed their ire at Mr Sharon for going back on his word. In an attempt to reassure the Israeli right, the prime minister told the Jerusalem Post that he will continue expanding Jewish settlements in the West Bank, which are home to about 400,000 people. "There will be building in the settlement blocks," he said. "Each government since 1967, right, left and national unity, has seen strategic importance in specific areas [in the occupied territories] I will build."

The newspaper said Mr Sharon specifically mentioned further construction in Ma'ale Adumim settlement, designed to link it to Jerusalem despite Washington's objections. He said that Ariel settlement, in the heart of the West Bank, would be annexed as "a part of Israel for ever". The prime minister also said there would be no further unilateral withdrawals.

Source. (http://www.guardian.co.uk/israel/Story/0,2763,1554337,00.html)

[whypikonme]

It seems we have nothing to worry about here, the solution has already been worked out.

The Middle East has been in constant turmoil for decades. Many who are following world news wonder what will happen next, and what the final outcome will be. Yet very few realize that Bible prophecy explains in advance the earthshaking events that will lead to greater disasters in the region—and ultimately to World War III!

The Bible outlines end-time events leading up to Jesus Christ’s return. What happens in the Middle East, as His return draws near, will affect your life and the lives of everyone on earth. Understanding those events will help you to take action for your family’s welfare. You can escape the prophesied disasters and judgments (Luke 21:36) upon a warring and God-defying world.

The Middle East seems to bring the world a constant stream of bad news. Bible prophecy shows that this bad news will continue until Jesus Christ’s return. But once the world survives "Armageddon" in the Middle East, a time of good news will follow. Jerusalem will then live up to its name: "City of Peace."

A Millennium of peace and prosperity is coming, under the rulership of the Messiah. As King of kings, Jesus Christ will rule the earth from Jerusalem with justice and righteousness, and all nations on earth will learn a new way of life—the way to peace.

The Middle East in Prophecy. (http://www.tomorrowsworld.org/cgi-bin/tw/booklets/tw-bk.cgi?category=Booklets1&item=1104355314)

So, all we need now is the Messiah, anyone heard when that might be?

[Rat Faced]

I laugh at the writers interpretation of the phrophesies...

The only country that can be said to be a Political, Military and Economic giant is the USA, and yet they say its the EU... which isnt even a country. :blink:

Ergo:
The USA is the home of the Beast; the False Prophet, the Anti-Christ... my bet would still be that its GW Bush... except I'm not a Christian and dont believe in an Anti-Christ...

I just think he's an evil bastard ;)

[Biggles]

I laugh at the writers interpretation of the phrophesies...

The only country that can be said to be a Political, Military and Economic giant is the USA, and yet they say its the EU... which isnt even a country. :blink:

Ergo:
The USA is the home of the Beast; the False Prophet, the Anti-Christ... my bet would still be that its GW Bush... except I'm not a Christian and dont believe in an Anti-Christ...

I just think he's an evil bastard ;)


May I join you for a chuckle? :shifty:

I thought one of the big complaints about Europe is that we spend so little on military things (wasting our money on hippy things like social benefits). The US spends more than the next 20 countries put together. Where is this military super power whilst these other armies are careering around the globe. I think it would be fair to say that the US is also a Northern country.

PS

On topic, I hope things work out for the Palestinians and Israelis on the peace process and that those that want peace actually get an opportunity to build something lasting.

I fear, however, that the sorting out of the West Bank will be a tad more problematical.

[MediaSlayer]

All true, but is way past time they got out of the occupied territories. They've no right to them. i wish they would give back all the land.
Once again I agree.

Further that the Europeans give the land back to the native Americans, Australians, Africans, New Zealanders and all of the rest they took it from.

In fact, let's everyone give the land back to it's indigenous population. At the same time removing all of the technology, investment and infrastructure we imposed on their way of life. It's the only reasonable way to go.



No wait, I've got a better one Jim.

How about we invent a time machine that works. Then we kill all the weak stragglers, the poor saps who weren't clever enough to conjure up such a scheme, leaving only a few hundred humans to put in the time machine. Then we travel back in time to the age of the cavemen and such. Over a period of 50 years or so, we teach them the why it's important to "own land". Because there were fewer inhabitants back then, it would actually be possible and practical to chop up the earth amongst ourselves and be forever committed to those parcels, which we "own". Every family gets a parcel, and if the family grows above 6 members, someone must die. else the parcel would get crowded and we are back to the present muddle.

..

[Busyman]

I laugh at the writers interpretation of the phrophesies...

The only country that can be said to be a Political, Military and Economic giant is the USA, and yet they say its the EU... which isnt even a country. :blink:

Ergo:
The USA is the home of the Beast; the False Prophet, the Anti-Christ... my bet would still be that its GW Bush... except I'm not a Christian and dont believe in an Anti-Christ...

I just think he's an evil bastard ;)
I, for one, was looking closely at the acceptance of the European Constitution. Too bad it didn't work out.....for now. :shifty:

The acceptance would have given Europe, as a unit, more economic might than the US. From there, military and political might ain't far behind.

[Rat Faced]

Economically: The constitution only brought all the existing treaties together, no change.

Militarily: Most of the EU are in NATO, so no need really. Plus we already have the mechanics in the ARRC, so we could do it overnight if we wanted to :P

Politically: We're all far too diverse to agree on the colour of Milk, ranging from VERY Socialist to VERY Nationalist. Hell, you should see some of the stupid things proposed. Politically, the EU is the perfect vehicle to keep bloody stupid politicians busy, and ineffective... bit like Congress ;)

[JPaul]

I laugh at the writers interpretation of the phrophesies...

The only country that can be said to be a Political, Military and Economic giant is the USA, and yet they say its the EU... which isnt even a country. :blink:

Ergo:
The USA is the home of the Beast; the False Prophet, the Anti-Christ... my bet would still be that its GW Bush... except I'm not a Christian and dont believe in an Anti-Christ...

I just think he's an evil bastard ;)
I, for one, was looking closely at the acceptance of the European Constitution. Too bad it didn't work out.....for now. :shifty:

The acceptance would have given Europe, as a unit, more economic might than the US. From there, military and political might ain't far behind.

What makes you think other people want the same sort of mentalist "military might" that the USA wants. It's a huge drain on your resources which could be spent on something like a welfare state.

As to "political might" what do you mean by that. The only thing I can think of is the ability to impose your own political views on other people (because internally "political might" makes little sense).

So what you are left with is a huge military machine, which enables you to impose your political views on other countries, whilst at the same time being unable to provide things like free medical cover for your own people ... oh right, sorry over to you.

[Busyman]

I, for one, was looking closely at the acceptance of the European Constitution. Too bad it didn't work out.....for now. :shifty:

The acceptance would have given Europe, as a unit, more economic might than the US. From there, military and political might ain't far behind.

What makes you think other people want the same sort of mentalist "military might" that the USA wants.
I never gave it thought as to what "other people want". What gave you that impression? The "too bad" comment was CaptainObvious tongue and cheek.


As to "political might" what do you mean by that. The only thing I can think of is the ability to impose your own political views on other people (because internally "political might" makes little sense).
Uniformity as one unit, in dealing with other countries. If a decision is made, it's made by Europe and not splintered.

So what you are left with is a huge military machine, which enables you to impose your political views on other countries, whilst at the same time being unable to provide things like free medical cover for your own people ... oh right, sorry over to you.
Mmmk. That's for the European countries to decide and they seem to have made a decision......for the most part.
Where'd you get the "impose your political views" from? That happens everyday in every country. :blink: Who said you had to impose anything? :1eye:

edit: to add to that....other caveats aside, who the hell doesn't want a strong military? I personally don't like a strong military at the expense of other things. However, any military is budgeted against those "other things".....even good ole Britain's fighter jets. :dry:

[JPaul]

What the feck is "tongue and cheek".

I'd love to read the rest, but that gave me a bad case of "why bother".

[j2k4]

Where exactly does this selective determination of who actually has the right to thus and such land come from?

Hell, none of us lives on land we can claim according to any or every standard which can be laid... :dry:

If some entity with a rooting interest in Palestinian dominance cares to, let them provide entree to whatever is necessary for them to take the land by force, just like we've done for Israel.

[Busyman]

What the feck is "tongue and cheek".

I'd love to read the rest, but that gave me a bad case of "why bother".
What the fuck did you make comment in the first place for? :blink:


What makes you think other people want the same sort of mentalist "military might" that the USA wants

The above was a dumbass question. I didn't say "other people wanted the military might." You did.

I also didn't make the allusion "they" wanted anything like the US.

Maybe you can have a point the next time you post.

[Rat Faced]

If some entity with a rooting interest in Palestinian dominance cares to, let them provide entree to whatever is necessary for them to take the land by force, just like we've done for Israel.

Careful kev, that can be construed as anti-semetic.

Mentioning that Israel has the land by right of arms, without the necessary right of God... :rolleyes:

That implies that Israel is the agressor..can't have that now :P

[JPaul]

If some entity with a rooting interest in Palestinian dominance cares to, let them provide entree to whatever is necessary for them to take the land by force, just like we've done for Israel.

Careful kev, that can be construed as anti-semetic.

Or anti-semitic, which is if anything worse.

[JPaul]

The above was a dumbass question. I didn't say "other people wanted the military might." You did.

No I didn't, I enquired as to why you thought they might.

"What makes you think other people want the same sort of mentalist "military might" that the USA wants."

The clue is in the words and the order in which they are organised. I had assumed you knew how that worked.

[Busyman]

The above was a dumbass question. I didn't say "other people wanted the military might." You did.

No I didn't, I enquired as to why you thought they might.

"What makes you think other people want the same sort of mentalist "military might" that the USA wants."

The clue is in the words and the order in which they are organised. I had assumed you knew how that worked.
Bullshit.

You made assumptions that were wrong.

Nice try to save it though. :lol: :lol: :lol:

The quotes and the make up of the sentence after the word "military".....screwed it up for ya.

Still though, I never said I thought they might have wanted anything.

I have not been J'ismed. :snooty:

[JPaul]

No I didn't, I enquired as to why you thought they might.

"What makes you think other people want the same sort of mentalist "military might" that the USA wants."

The clue is in the words and the order in which they are organised. I had assumed you knew how that worked.
Bullshit.

You made assumptions that were wrong.

Nice try to save it though. :lol: :lol: :lol:

The quotes and the make up of the sentence after the word "military".....screwed it up for ya.

I have not been J'ismed. :snooty:

The sad thing is that you probably believe that.

You suggested that becoming more like the USA was something that the EU may wish to do.

It really isn't.

Most of us find your politics, your "I'm alright Jack" attitude and your cultural / political imperialism to be an anachronism. It is the equivelant of the troglodyte in the playground dominating the other children because of his superior physical strength.

We look at you and it saddens us, to see large sections of your people unable to get basic healthcare, because the money is being spent on weapons. We marvel at the fact that you see Hollywood films as being culturally significant. We are appalled that your sportsmen find it easier to get an education than people who are intellectually capable. They can have their education paid for them, on the basis that they are good at throwing a ball. Whilst someone else, who is just good at thinking has to get a low paid job, because their parents cannot afford it.

It really is a fecked up system and it is not something that the EU aspires to.

[Rat Faced]

Most of us find your politics, your "I'm alright Jack" attitude and your cultural / political imperialism to be an anachronism. It is the equivelant of the troglodyte in the playground dominating the other children because of his superior physical strength.

We look at you and it saddens us, to see large sections of your people unable to get basic healthcare, because the money is being spent on weapons. We marvel at the fact that you see Hollywood films as being culturally significant. We are appalled that your sportsmen find it easier to get an education than people who are intellectually capable. They can have their education paid for them, on the basis that they are good at throwing a ball. Whilst someone else, who is just good at thinking has to get a low paid job, because their parents cannot afford it.

It really is a fecked up system and it is not something that the EU aspires to.


:01: :01: :01:


On the plus side though... the US makes much better burgers than us. We really must get the recipe.. :unsure:

[JPaul]

Most of us find your politics, your "I'm alright Jack" attitude and your cultural / political imperialism to be an anachronism. It is the equivelant of the troglodyte in the playground dominating the other children because of his superior physical strength.

We look at you and it saddens us, to see large sections of your people unable to get basic healthcare, because the money is being spent on weapons. We marvel at the fact that you see Hollywood films as being culturally significant. We are appalled that your sportsmen find it easier to get an education than people who are intellectually capable. They can have their education paid for them, on the basis that they are good at throwing a ball. Whilst someone else, who is just good at thinking has to get a low paid job, because their parents cannot afford it.

It really is a fecked up system and it is not something that the EU aspires to.


:01: :01: :01:


On the plus side though... the US makes much better burgers than us. We really must get the recipe.. :unsure:


:lol:

If we do can we burn it.

[sArA]

Had some of the best quality food I have ever had whilst in the US......and also some of the worst.. :lol:



edit: Ooops naughty me off topic......

I actually think it is the right thing to move the settlers and give this land back to the Palestinians. This should have been done a long time ago. I do not however hold out much hope for greater peace in the region whilst Israel are the greater 'western' power, and their position is seen as untenable by their neighbours.

As usual, compromise on all sides is the most needed and least likely solution.

[j2k4]

If some entity with a rooting interest in Palestinian dominance cares to, let them provide entree to whatever is necessary for them to take the land by force, just like we've done for Israel.

Careful kev, that can be construed as anti-semetic.

Mentioning that Israel has the land by right of arms, without the necessary right of God... :rolleyes:

That implies that Israel is the agressor..can't have that now :P

We can have anything we like, if we'll only pay the price.

Just so, though-

If Israel is popularly seen as the aggressor, then what harm leveling the playing field, eh?

[JPaul]

As usual, compromise on all sides is the most needed and least likely solution.

I could not agree more.

Tho' I would change that to "only solution", kind of making a mockery of my first sentence.

[Busyman]

Bullshit.

You made assumptions that were wrong.

Nice try to save it though. :lol: :lol: :lol:

The quotes and the make up of the sentence after the word "military".....screwed it up for ya.

I have not been J'ismed. :snooty:

The sad thing is that you probably believe that.

You suggested that becoming more like the USA was something that the EU may wish to do.

It really isn't.

Most of us find your politics, your "I'm alright Jack" attitude and your cultural / political imperialism to be an anachronism. It is the equivelant of the troglodyte in the playground dominating the other children because of his superior physical strength.

We look at you and it saddens us, to see large sections of your people unable to get basic healthcare, because the money is being spent on weapons. We marvel at the fact that you see Hollywood films as being culturally significant. We are appalled that your sportsmen find it easier to get an education than people who are intellectually capable. They can have their education paid for them, on the basis that they are good at throwing a ball. Whilst someone else, who is just good at thinking has to get a low paid job, because their parents cannot afford it.

It really is a fecked up system and it is not something that the EU aspires to.
You are shit at reading unless it's headlines.
Your entire post was meaningless (at least in regards to an actual response to me) simply because I never said that the EU aspires to anything. SO WTF ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?

You made something nonexistent a segway for you to make a couple post to trash talk your some of your perceived faults of my country.

I don't know what "I'm alright Jack" means.

....I'll just regard your post as a jab at my country and not an actual response to anything I've said...

Who marvels at films as being culturally significant? The entire country? You are reading headlines.

Athletes get scholarships, folks high in academia get scholarships. You are reading headlines.

How do you know the reason we don't have universal healthcare is because of weapons? Ya don't. To say that we have a big military = no universal care...doesn't cut it.

If someone that is good at thinking has to get low paying job, it juuuuust might be how shit goes sometimes and even further from that, it might of that persons own actions or inaction.

I'm pretty sure your country has some similar problems and it saddens me that you think it USA exclusive.

[Rat Faced]

BM,

The UK is the 9th in the Social Change index, USA is 10th (This is the ease of which one can move from "poor" to "rich") among the Western Nations.

Our NHS, is beaten by most of Europe at the moment.

The USA is the only country we can say "We're better than you" in these respects at the moment.

Its only natural for us to aim at a bloody big target, when we're already beaten by just about every other player. Dont take it personally. ;)

[Busyman]

BM,

The UK is the 9th in the Social Change index, USA is 10th (This is the ease of which one can move from "poor" to "rich") among the Western Nations.

Our NHS, is beaten by most of Europe at the moment.

The USA is the only country we can say "We're better than you" in these respects at the moment.

Its only natural for us to aim at a bloody big target, when we're already beaten by just about every other player. Dont take it personally. ;)
Oh it's not personal. It's yet another obvious jab at America which, as a response in the context of my posts, came from nowhere.

Besides that, I didn't say FUCK YOU, FUCK BOTH A YOU...now did I? :D

I know that people jab at America because it's a "big target". I wonder do they know it or are they fooling themselves? Pointing out a tid bit about our athletes getting scholarships to college and leaving out the many smart folk that do is textbook bullshit.

Most folk over here that are not mindless know the problem with this country and it starts with the leadership elite and the numerous sheep that follow them.

...and then there are some that ignore the problem to buy the newest BMW 7-series.

Tbh, I rather our country tighten our borders and stay the fuck out of everyone's affairs. We are separated by water from most of the shit over in Eurasia and Africa anyway. If a country gets into trouble, they should deal with it on their own. Ask for help...fuck off. Right?

The problem is it gets sticky in the nuclear age.

If you've got a country in Europe or anywhere with a piss ant military then the more agressive military power can swallow them. Next thing you know, years later, missiles are raining down over here.

Nevertheless, we should mind our own unless it's a direct confrontation against America.

As JP noted, America seems to have unique problems, like basketball scholarships, to take care of.

[Busyman]

Most of us find your politics, your "I'm alright Jack" attitude and your cultural / political imperialism to be an anachronism. It is the equivelant of the troglodyte in the playground dominating the other children because of his superior physical strength.

We look at you and it saddens us, to see large sections of your people unable to get basic healthcare, because the money is being spent on weapons. We marvel at the fact that you see Hollywood films as being culturally significant. We are appalled that your sportsmen find it easier to get an education than people who are intellectually capable. They can have their education paid for them, on the basis that they are good at throwing a ball. Whilst someone else, who is just good at thinking has to get a low paid job, because their parents cannot afford it.

It really is a fecked up system and it is not something that the EU aspires to.


:01: :01: :01:


On the plus side though... the US makes much better burgers than us. We really must get the recipe.. :unsure:
Sure...here goes.

Rip open the plastic the meat is in and take out a handful of ground beef.

Form into patty. Season as necessary. Worsterstershirster sauce, salt, peppa, onion, bread, egg, whateverthefuck.

Cook

Eat.

It's funny hearing our food referred to by country. You should look at it by state. This country is too big and diverse.

Mexican
Tex-Mex
French
Italian
Chinese
Japanese
Pollo Rico
Southern

and of course

Red Lobster (among many others) :P

http://www.redlobster.com/i/discover/hdr_image_200503.jpg

[Busyman]

:01: :01: :01:


On the plus side though... the US makes much better burgers than us. We really must get the recipe.. :unsure:


:lol:

If we do can we burn it.
Only if you hop in the flame with it.

Otherwise, no. We have our dignity and whatnot. :snooty:

[whypikonme]

Or anti-semitic, which is if anything worse.

Does this sentence make sense? Is there a shortage of commas in Scotland?

[j2k4]

Or anti-semitic, which is if anything worse.

Does this sentence make sense? Is there a shortage of commas in Scotland?

It was merely a poke at a spelling error, I think you'll find.

[j2k4]

:01: :01: :01:


On the plus side though... the US makes much better burgers than us. We really must get the recipe.. :unsure:
Sure...here goes.

Rip open the plastic the meat is in and take out a handful of ground beef.

Form into patty. Season as necessary. Worsterstershirster sauce, salt, peppa, onion, bread, egg, whateverthefuck.

Cook

Eat.

It's funny hearing our food referred to by country. You should look at it by state. This country is too big and diverse.

Mexican
Tex-Mex
French
Italian
Chinese
Japanese
Pollo Rico
Southern

and of course

Red Lobster (among many others) :P

http://www.redlobster.com/i/discover/hdr_image_200503.jpg

On the other hand, in America we have no Gaza Strip, and no Jews leaving one.

Life is so ironic sometimes... :huh:

[whypikonme]

Does this sentence make sense? Is there a shortage of commas in Scotland?

It was merely a poke at a spelling error, I think you'll find.

Quite so, it just struck me as amusing that someone would highlight bad spelling using bad grammar.

[j2k4]

It was merely a poke at a spelling error, I think you'll find.

Quite so, it just struck me as amusing that someone would highlight bad spelling using bad grammar.

...and back to you, JPaul...

[manker]

Or anti-semitic, which is if anything worse.

Does this sentence make sense? Is Are there a shortage of commas in Scotland?Fixed it for you, grammar boy.

[whypikonme]

Does this sentence make sense? Is Are there a shortage of commas in Scotland?Fixed it for you, grammar boy.

Wrong, smartarse, one shortage so it's 'Is', not 'Are'.

[Busyman]

Fixed it for you, grammar boy.

Wrong, smartarse, one shortage so it's 'Is', not 'Are'.
:lol: :lol: :lol:

As they say....PWNED!!!!

[manker]

Omg! Really!!1

Check the font tags:

link (http://www.filesharingtalk.com/vb3/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=1118902).

I felt like a spot fishing for grammaticasting tiddlers. Thanks for indulging me.

[Busyman]

Omg! Really!!1

Check the font tags:

link (http://www.filesharingtalk.com/vb3/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=1118902).

I felt like a spot fishing for grammaticasting tiddlers. Thanks for indulging me.
It reeeeally doesn't matta with the......

"Haha You're wrong (but you're really right)"

Man you got both of us. :ermm: Maybe you can stick a disclaimer in every one of yer pawsts for teh backtracking. :lol: :lol: :lol:

You are still pwned.

[Busyman]

Fixed it for you, grammar boy.

Wrong, smartarse, one shortage so it's 'Is', not 'Are'.
mankers answer:
"I really knew the really propa grammarspellingdoohicky haha!!1! I got you. It's so funny. I just wanted you to call me a smartarse!!!1! :lol: :lol: :lol: "


Good one mank. :lol: :lol:

[manker]

Are you okay, Busy. You seem a bit over excited :unsure:

It was a simple rod to elicit a response. No reflection on you.

[brenda]

In reply to the original question I think the distinction between RIGHT and WRONG is a very fuzzy one.

For anyone to have to leave their home and their life must be both traumatic and upsetting. Despite the political reasons behind everything that happens in Palastine/Israel I can't help but feel for the individuals who simply what to live their lives, raise their children and practice whichever religion it is that takes their fancy (I don't follow any religion BTW). Yes the land was 'stolen' from the Palastinians and yes evil deeds have been done but I suspect that if it wasn't for extremists on both sides (and by 'extremists' I include certain political figures) I think that REAL people who live their lives by moral - not necessarily religious - standards would be happy to share their communities with each other for the benefit of all.

[whypikonme]

Are you okay, Busy. You seem a bit over excited :unsure:

It was a simple rod to elicit a response. No reflection on you.

Phone your mum and tell her, she'll believe you. :lol:

[Busyman]

Are you okay, Busy. You seem a bit over excited :unsure:

It was a simple rod to elicit a response. No reflection on you.
It's quite alright mank.

You got your response indeed. :rolleyes:

[Rat Faced]

No reflection on you.

Is BM a vampire then? :unsure:

[Busyman]

No reflection on you.

Is BM a vampire then? :unsure:

Of course silly. That's why I work in the daytime and whatnot. :ermm:

I thought we had an agreement you backstabber. You will pay for outing me in blood.

[MediaSlayer]

Yes the land was 'stolen' from the Palastinians...

Just for the record, what is your politically correct opinion on the land stretching from the atlantic to the pacific that was previously occupied by many peoples who would later become known as "indians" because some dumbass thought he landed in pacifica?

But because it doesn't involve jews, it just doesn't interest you, does it?

Back in the day, man spent his time hunting and fishing, gathering food to feed his family, protecting himself and his family/tribe from harm.

With the advent of true "civilization" he now has way too much free time, and this is how he spends it, trying to keep track of who owns what land and how much he should get, and so on.

So much energy spent on trying to make things appear well, and not enough on things that count. Like advances in medicine, more focus on education, the growing threat of nuclear war, pollution, ect...

edit:added a brief (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trail_of_tears) on some more injustices

[whypikonme]

Yes the land was 'stolen' from the Palastinians...

Just for the record, what is your politically correct opinion on the land stretching from the atlantic to the pacific that was previously occupied by many peoples who would later become known as "indians" because some dumbass thought he landed in pacifica?
...

What does this have to do with Israel\Palestine? To say every country should give land back they occupied over the last thousands of years is to say that stealing land is lawful and justified, when in fact it's neither. At the end of WW2 an organisation of sovereign nations was put together to deal with disputes of this sort, Israel was a signatory, thereby accepting the rules. But, in typical fashion, they want these rules obeyed by everyone else except themselves. They should get the fuck out, they know it, and the rest of the world knows it.

[MediaSlayer]

With this many people in the world, and with enough time, no nation would respect true borders forever.

[MediaSlayer]

And also what my post has to do with the current conflict is this, it's not actually a question of land being stolen, and that is why i posted that. it's a matter of certain people, like you for instance, feeling that israel just plain does not have a right to exist, anywhere. it is not possible, that i know of, to read someone's mind. so right now, whypikonme, why don't you close your eyes and imagine all the jewish people in the world living on an artificial island in the ocean. would you be happy then? only you know the answer.

[whypikonme]

And also what my post has to do with the current conflict is this, it's not actually a question of land being stolen, and that is why i posted that. it's a matter of certain people, like you for instance, feeling that israel just plain does not have a right to exist, anywhere. it is not possible, that i know of, to read someone's mind. so right now, whypikonme, why don't you close your eyes and imagine all the jewish people in the world living on an artificial island in the ocean. would you be happy then? only you know the answer.

Don't put words in my mouth!

Israel can exist as far as l'm concerned, within the 1967 borders. According to the Geneva Convention, any land occupied during an armed conflict is not to be annexed, and the welfare of it's people becomes the responsibility of the occupying nation, Israel has failed miserably on both counts.

It's people like you who believe Israel has a right to exist anywhere they choose that are prolonging this saga.

[MediaSlayer]

It's not me you have to convince, so relax, I have no idea how you really feel about this, and have no way to tell. For the question of where should they exist, I believe both of those nations would do well to share the land with each other, and co-exist, because the alternatives are bleak. It's people like you who are addicted to these dualities that are prolonging the saga, IMHO.

[whypikonme]

It's people like you who are addicted to these dualities that are prolonging the saga, IMHO.

That's your honest opinion? l don't think so. You just don't want Israel to hand back the land they stole and comply with UN resolutions. Why should the Palestinians share the little bit of land they have left? More than 30% of Israelis hold dual nationality, they have somewhere else to live but they choose to live on stolen land, why should anyone feel sorry for them. Get the fuck out of the occupied territories.

Even though the Israelis have removed the settlers from Gaza, they are far from leaving altogether, they will retain control of all the borders, including the border between Gaza and Egypt. They will retain control over the coastline of Gaza, as well as the airspace.

[j2k4]

You just don't want Israel to hand back the land they stole and comply with UN resolutions.


The fact of U.N. resolutions into the bargain is reason enough to ignore them.

Until the U.N. limits itself to it's chartered activities and does a thorough house-cleaning, screw it's resolutions; nobody else abides by them, why should Israel?

Every country acts in it's own-interests, or to the detriment of a select few.

The U.N. has hosted anti-Semitic orgies of rhetoric in the past few years, and frankly, I don't recall hearing of any similar blanket denunciations of, say, Islam, during the same period, so fuck 'em.

I advocate pushing the whole shebang right into Turtle Bay, just like they solidly back those who wish to push the Israelis into the Red Sea.

Just my opinion, of course. :)

[whypikonme]

Just my opinion, of course. :)

Of which you cannot be called an anti-semite l suppose, as only the Jews are considered Semites, noenetheless, that's exactly what you are. So your 'opinion' means diddly squat. Perhaps you should write to the peanut brain in charge of your country and ask why he sends US soldiers to their deaths to enforce UN resolutions.

[Tikibonbon]

Just my opinion, of course. :)

Of which you cannot be called an anti-semite l suppose, as only the Jews are considered Semites, noenetheless, that's exactly what you are. So your 'opinion' means diddly squat. Perhaps you should write to the peanut brain in charge of your country and ask why he sends US soldiers to their deaths to enforce UN resolutions.

One week they bitch about not embracing the UN, next week they bitch about enforcing UN resolutions....

[MediaSlayer]

That's your honest opinion? l don't think so. You just don't want Israel to hand back the land they stole and comply with UN resolutions.

If it makes you happy to hear it, YES, I SUPPORT ISRAEL FOR BETTER OR FOR WORSE AND NO MATTER HOW IMPARTIAL I TRY TO BE, I DO IDENTIFY WITH THEM AND FEEL IT IS MY DUTY TO BE SUPPORTIVE OF THE THINGS THEY DO. This, however, does not mean I am pleased with all the things they do, and that I approve of all of them. Maybe you want some examples. I do approve of the west bank pullout, I don't approve of ariel sharon being prime minister, ehud olmert would be a stronger leader, I do approve of closer ties with Israel's arab neighbors, and I don't approve of fighting the animalistic tactics of hamas(sucide bombings) with "set-ups" made to look like a sucide bomber accidentally blew himself up while making a bomb.

quote:Why should the Palestinians share the little bit of land they have left?

It's called peace, a lesson that they would benefit to learn. Hopefully the gaza pullout will improve the chances of peace.

Last but not least, I have a movie recommendation for you, if you can put up with black and white. The movie is called "broken arrow" and stars James Stewart, it is an old western movie, but you'll find that the message is timeless.

Don't tear into me too hard now, I don't know if I can log on tommorrow:)(i had to drive all the way across the city to send this one).

[whypikonme]

It's called peace, a lesson that they would benefit to learn.

The price of peace has been known for decades, withdrawal to the 1967 borders. Israel has no desire for peace or they would never have allowed settlements in the occupied territories.

[JPaul]

Indeed, there is only one way to peace, your way.

Don't bother looking at other places in the World where compromise has led to peace. Rather than sticking to stubbornly entrenched positions.

[whypikonme]

Indeed, there is only one way to peace, your way.

Don't bother looking at other places in the World where compromise has led to peace. Rather than sticking to stubbornly entrenched positions.

So give us your ideas, O wise one.

[Rat Faced]

The U.N. has hosted anti-Semitic orgies of rhetoric in the past few years, and frankly, I don't recall hearing of any similar blanket denunciations of, say, Islam, during the same period, so fuck 'em.

They dont have blanket denunciations of Jews or Chrisrians either...

Its the United Nations, not the United Religions.

Plenty of Islamic States have had United Nations resolutions against them, as have many Christian... how is it different if the nation happens to be Jewish?

[Rat Faced]

I do approve of the west bank pullout

As would i, if it ever happened.

Maybe you missed the news that Sharron is increasing the number of settlers in the West Bank, not reducing them or pulling them out...

[Rat Faced]

Indeed, there is only one way to peace, your way.

Don't bother looking at other places in the World where compromise has led to peace. Rather than sticking to stubbornly entrenched positions.

So give us your ideas, O wise one.


I have an idea..

As the US and Israel keep saying that Europe supports the Palestinians, because we report both sides..

I think the EU should supply the Palestinians and any Arabs that wish to fight for them (only fair as the Jews in Israel come from Brooklyn etc) with Modern weapons, Jets, Tanks and of course Nukes (as the US helped Israel develope them, against all anti-proliferation agreements)...

We should then give them all huge amounts of ammo, count to three and let them get on with it.

Winner takes it all...

[j2k4]

Just my opinion, of course. :)

Of which you cannot be called an anti-semite l suppose, as only the Jews are considered Semites, noenetheless, that's exactly what you are. So your 'opinion' means diddly squat. Perhaps you should write to the peanut brain in charge of your country and ask why he sends US soldiers to their deaths to enforce UN resolutions.

Much as I am loathe to bow to even historically incorrect uses of speech, I admit to a knowledgable mis-use of the term; it seems, however, that you are not aware it actually refers to all other Arab peoples as well... :huh:

By the way, if my opinion means "diddly squat", perhaps you might explain how your own opinion (including the one about MY opinion) could possibly be of any greater value?

Lastly, this:

'...ask why he sends US soldiers to their deaths to enforce UN resolutions..."

-doesn't parse well at all; I thought "peanut brain" sent them in lieu of a more forthright U.N.-could you clarify?

[MediaSlayer]

I do approve of the west bank pullout

As would i, if it ever happened.

Maybe you missed the news that Sharron is increasing the number of settlers in the West Bank, not reducing them or pulling them out...


No, it was just a simple mistake. I am a little rusty after all this time, so bear with me:) I meant to say gaza and said west bank instead. I did see the news about the increase in west bank settlements, but i didn't have to, i figured they would do that. Do i support that too? No, it's a stangely familiar scene though, it seems like just yesterday planes flew into the world trade center, vigils were held all over the world in support of the U.S., and we threw it all away for some oil. In like manner, the good that the gaza pullout is doing is being thrown away by an increase in west bank settlements.

[JPaul]

Of which you cannot be called an anti-semite l suppose, as only the Jews are considered Semites, noenetheless, that's exactly what you are. So your 'opinion' means diddly squat. Perhaps you should write to the peanut brain in charge of your country and ask why he sends US soldiers to their deaths to enforce UN resolutions.

Much as I am loathe to bow to even historically incorrect uses of speech, I admit to a knowledgable mis-use of the term; it seems, however, that you are not aware it actually refers to all other Arab peoples as well... :huh:

By the way, if my opinion means "diddly squat", perhaps you might explain how your own opinion (including the one about MY opinion) could possibly be of any greater value?

Lastly, this:

'...ask why he sends US soldiers to their deaths to enforce UN resolutions..."

-doesn't parse well at all; I thought "peanut brain" sent them in lieu of a more forthright U.N.-could you clarify?
Remember you are dealing with a chap who posted " ... as the Jews are considered a race, as well as a religion ...". Which can only really mean that the true meaning of words is how they are commonly perceived, as opposed to their dictionary definition.

So to use anti-semite in it's accepted sense should not be that difficult for him.

Unless I am misunderstanding his earlier point and there is some historical basis for "Jew" referring to a race rather than a religion. Which I doubt, as there appear to be Jews from most, if not all, races.

Let's face it, he is the anti-semite, as we all already know.

[j2k4]

Unless I am misunderstanding his earlier point...

He/she she had a point?

When?

Where?

For God's sake take it away from him/her before he/she loses an eye...

[JPaul]

Unless I am misunderstanding his earlier point...

He/she she had a point?

When?

Where?

For God's sake take it away from him/her before he/she loses an eye...
Just because someone has a point does not mean that said point is not mentalist.

[Rat Faced]

In like manner, the good that the gaza pullout is doing is being thrown away by an increase in west bank settlements.

Totally True..

And then he'll wonder why the country keeps getting hit, and the neighbours wont even recognise its existance. :(

[whypikonme]

Remember you are dealing with a chap who posted " ... as the Jews are considered a race, as well as a religion ...". Which can only really mean that the true meaning of words is how they are commonly perceived, as opposed to their dictionary definition.

If this made sense l might be able to comment on it, but, as usual, when you have nothing to say, you feel compelled to do so anyway.

So to use anti-semite in it's accepted sense should not be that difficult for him.

Unless I am misunderstanding his earlier point and there is some historical basis for "Jew" referring to a race rather than a religion. Which I doubt, as there appear to be Jews from most, if not all, races.

Again, nonsensical jabber, do you even know what you're talking about?

Let's face it, he is the anti-semite, as we all already know.

Ah, now we understand, another pathetic personal attack from Mr Squeaky Clean.

l would have thought l was a little old to be stalked, but there you go.

[whypikonme]

'...ask why he sends US soldiers to their deaths to enforce UN resolutions..."

-doesn't parse well at all; I thought "peanut brain" sent them in lieu of a more forthright U.N.-could you clarify?

Bush refused to go back to the UN, claiming they already had permission from them to invade.

[JPaul]

Remember you are dealing with a chap who posted " ... as the Jews are considered a race, as well as a religion ...". Which can only really mean that the true meaning of words is how they are commonly perceived, as opposed to their dictionary definition.

If this made sense l might be able to comment on it, but, as usual, when you have nothing to say, you feel compelled to do so anyway.

So to use anti-semite in it's accepted sense should not be that difficult for him.

Unless I am misunderstanding his earlier point and there is some historical basis for "Jew" referring to a race rather than a religion. Which I doubt, as there appear to be Jews from most, if not all, races.

Again, nonsensical jabber, do you even know what you're talking about?

Let's face it, he is the anti-semite, as we all already know.

Ah, now we understand, another pathetic personal attack from Mr Squeaky Clean.

l would have thought l was a little old to be stalked, but there you go.
:lol:

Again with the claims of me stalking you Billy, based on what, I quoted something you posted earlier in the same thread. A predictable tactic which you use when you can't think of a way to answer. It always gives you away, if there was still any doubt.

Tell me this, if Judaism is a race and a black American converts to Judaism, does she change her race.

You say "anti-semite" to j2 and it's OK, I say it to you and it's " ... another pathetic personal attack ...". How does that work, back to one rule for you one rule for others.

You're a pathetic trolling coward, who doesn't even have the courage to admit who he really is.

[whypikonme]

Again with the claims of me stalking you Billy,

Now l understand, it's this Billy character again, isn't it? You stalk me because you think l'm Billy. He must be really pretty, has he turned you down?

Tell me this, if Judaism is a race and a black American converts to Judaism, does she change her race.

The way you can make so many 'points' on a misrepresentation is a credit to you. l said this ... " ... as the Jews are considered a race, as well as a religion ..." and you turn it into jews are and race and NOT a religion, well done.

You say "anti-semite" to j2 and it's OK, I say it to you and it's " ... another pathetic personal attack ...". How does that work, back to one rule for you one rule for others.

Take it up with the local Stalkers Union, l trust you're a paid up member?

You're a pathetic trolling coward, who doesn't even have the courage to admit who he really is.

l like the other JP best, at least he's funny.


:sleeping:

[j2k4]

'...ask why he sends US soldiers to their deaths to enforce UN resolutions..."

-doesn't parse well at all; I thought "peanut brain" sent them in lieu of a more forthright U.N.-could you clarify?

Bush refused to go back to the UN, claiming they already had permission from them to invade.

Your interpretation of events differs from mine, then, and I can't be arsed to square them, why...me.

You have your story, and I have mine.

Funny how you and your like continue with this "We should have given the resolutions time to work..." especially in light of what we now know about "Oil-for-Food", etc.

I find the level of naivete stunning, but then, I'm an American, right?

[whypikonme]

Your interpretation of events differs from mine, then, and I can't be arsed to square them, why...me.

Yes, of course, your story is that Iraq was full of WMDs, and Hussein was harbouring al Qaeda terrorists.

You have your story, and I have mine.

Funny how you and your like continue with this "We should have given the resolutions time to work..." especially in light of what we now know about "Oil-for-Food", etc.

As opposed to what we know about WMDs.

I find the level of naivete stunning, but then, I'm an American, right?

Really? l never would have guessed.

[JPaul]

Tell me this, if Judaism is a race and a black American converts to Judaism, does she change her race.

The way you can make so many 'points' on a misrepresentation is a credit to you. l said this ... " ... as the Jews are considered a race, as well as a religion ..." and you turn it into jews are and race and NOT a religion, well done.

You say "anti-semite" to j2 and it's OK, I say it to you and it's " ... another pathetic personal attack ...". How does that work, back to one rule for you one rule for others.

Take it up with the local Stalkers Union, l trust you're a paid up member?


:lol:

So if Judaism is a race and a religion, when the black woman converts and changes her religion (obvious the first time round) does she also change her race.

I know you can't answer this and will simply deflect from it (or more likely ignore it) but I thought I'd try to see if you could make some sort of sense out of your ridiculous statement "... as the Jews are considered a race, as well as a religion ..." .

(I quoted it from you there, but it actually doesn't make any difference, as you are well aware.)

[j2k4]

Your interpretation of events differs from mine, then, and I can't be arsed to square them, why...me.

Yes, of course, your story is that Iraq was full of WMDs, and Hussein was harbouring al Qaeda terrorists.

Saddam had dealings with them and supported their "ideals"; whether this is qualifies as "harboring" is a matter of perception.

BTW-You apparently haven't kept up with the Joseph Wilson/Niger/yellow-cake story, have you?

Ah, well-it's not for me to relieve you of your ignorance.

You have your story, and I have mine.

Funny how you and your like continue with this "We should have given the resolutions time to work..." especially in light of what we now know about "Oil-for-Food", etc.

As opposed to what we know about WMDs.

You accord this belief to me?

You should know that I couldn't care less about WMD vis a vis Iraq; I'm all for spreading democracy in the mideast-Saddam was too damn convenient a target to ignore, and your beloved U.N.'s thumb was up it's ass, so there you go...

You apparently have no problem with Oil-for-Food?

O.K.-your bias is hanging out in the breeze, too. ;)


I find the level of naivete stunning, but then, I'm an American, right?

Really? l never would have guessed.


It figures that you'd be the one member I could fool. :lol:

[Rat Faced]

Saddam had dealings with them and supported their "ideals"; whether this is qualifies as "harboring" is a matter of perception.

Their bases were in the Kurds area, ie: North East Iraq, where Hussain had no control. The people that supported them have now reverted to bombing the hell out of Turkey again. I think only Bush and Limburgh still go on about this now..

BTW-You apparently haven't kept up with the Joseph Wilson/Niger/yellow-cake story, have you?

Ah, well-it's not for me to relieve you of your ignorance.

This is the one whereby the Whitehouse broke the law re: CIA agents identities I believe, and can do that with impunity.. but hell to pay if anyone else even looks dirty, such as the UN..

You have your story, and I have mine.

Funny how you and your like continue with this "We should have given the resolutions time to work..." especially in light of what we now know about "Oil-for-Food", etc.

We also know about the Whitehouse lying through its teeth about a few things and causing 1000's of innocent deaths, plus filling their pockets at the same time.. whats up? OK for yanks to be corrupt but no-one else?

At least their is investigations and charges being brought against the UN figures.. when will this happen in the US?

And about the Resolutions being "Given time to work"... how? Sell him some more WMD so he could destroy them? How, exactly was he going to destroy what he didnt have, what the UN inspectors said they suspected he didnt have, and the US/UK blocked the technological equipment to prove he didnt have?

Seems that he was just put over a barrel and shafted to me...

You accord this belief to me?

You should know that I couldn't care less about WMD vis a vis Iraq; I'm all for spreading democracy in the mideast-Saddam was too damn convenient a target to ignore, and your beloved U.N.'s thumb was up it's ass, so there you go...


We know that.

Like your government you just wanted to kick some ass and ruin your countries reputation through most of the world as being about freedom, democracy and justice.

Hows that late Constitution coming on by the way? I here the shi'ites are killing each other now, so its not just the sunni that are revolting..

Nice way to create a civil war.. which is always the nastiest type of war. And, of course, while that goes on.. Oil Prices will remain high.. Good for the Bush family business huh? What is it now their companies flog it at... $68 a barrel?? Wow, they're really making a killing from all this arent they? :)

You apparently have no problem with Oil-for-Food?

Yes I do.

However i also have a problem with all the corruption, whereas yours appears to be only about the corruption regarding a few UN officials. It appears to be fine if it happens in Congress, The Senate or The Whitehouse..

O.K.-your bias is hanging out in the breeze, too.

And, as i am pissed about ALL the corruption, whereas yours is only "Oil For Food".. the bias is where? :rolleyes:


I find the level of naivete stunning, but then, I'm an American, right?

I was often stunned by your supposed naivete, then i realised that you just didnt answer threads which criticised the Right, but you actually agreed with. ;)

I am quite appalled by your naivete with regard to Iraq however, and always have been...

So far, everything i said 3 years ago has come to pass, or looks like coming to pass... I must see if i can find a job as an Oracle... :ph34r:

Nah... this one was just so bloody obvious, even then :dry:

[j2k4]

Saddam had dealings with them and supported their "ideals"; whether this is qualifies as "harboring" is a matter of perception.

Their bases were in the Kurds area, ie: North East Iraq, where Hussain had no control. The people that supported them have now reverted to bombing the hell out of Turkey again. I think only Bush and Limburgh still go on about this now..

BTW-You apparently haven't kept up with the Joseph Wilson/Niger/yellow-cake story, have you?

Ah, well-it's not for me to relieve you of your ignorance.

This is the one whereby the Whitehouse broke the law re: CIA agents identities I believe, and can do that with impunity.. but hell to pay if anyone else even looks dirty, such as the UN..

You have your story, and I have mine.

Funny how you and your like continue with this "We should have given the resolutions time to work..." especially in light of what we now know about "Oil-for-Food", etc.

We also know about the Whitehouse lying through its teeth about a few things and causing 1000's of innocent deaths, plus filling their pockets at the same time.. whats up? OK for yanks to be corrupt but no-one else?

At least their is investigations and charges being brought against the UN figures.. when will this happen in the US?

And about the Resolutions being "Given time to work"... how? Sell him some more WMD so he could destroy them? How, exactly was he going to destroy what he didnt have, what the UN inspectors said they suspected he didnt have, and the US/UK blocked the technological equipment to prove he didnt have?

Seems that he was just put over a barrel and shafted to me...

You accord this belief to me?

You should know that I couldn't care less about WMD vis a vis Iraq; I'm all for spreading democracy in the mideast-Saddam was too damn convenient a target to ignore, and your beloved U.N.'s thumb was up it's ass, so there you go...


We know that.

Like your government you just wanted to kick some ass and ruin your countries reputation through most of the world as being about freedom, democracy and justice.

Hows that late Constitution coming on by the way? I here the shi'ites are killing each other now, so its not just the sunni that are revolting..

Nice way to create a civil war.. which is always the nastiest type of war. And, of course, while that goes on.. Oil Prices will remain high.. Good for the Bush family business huh? What is it now their companies flog it at... $68 a barrel?? Wow, they're really making a killing from all this arent they? :)

You apparently have no problem with Oil-for-Food?

Yes I do.

However i also have a problem with all the corruption, whereas yours appears to be only about the corruption regarding a few UN officials. It appears to be fine if it happens in Congress, The Senate or The Whitehouse..

O.K.-your bias is hanging out in the breeze, too.

And, as i am pissed about ALL the corruption, whereas yours is only "Oil For Food".. the bias is where? :rolleyes:


I find the level of naivete stunning, but then, I'm an American, right?

I was often stunned by your supposed naivete, then i realised that you just didnt answer threads which criticised the Right, but you actually agreed with. ;)

I am quite appalled by your naivete with regard to Iraq however, and always have been...

So far, everything i said 3 years ago has come to pass, or looks like coming to pass... I must see if i can find a job as an Oracle... :ph34r:

Nah... this one was just so bloody obvious, even then :dry:



I see you haven't kept up either, Rat.

The Whitehouse/Karl Rove/Joe Wilson/Niger/Valerie Plame/Robert Novak issue turns out to be a non-issue; nobody in the Whitehouse lied.

Even our media has abandoned their attempts to do in Rove, Novak or anybody else over it, as they see they've been misled.

I believe you are the only one still banging on about it now.

[Rat Faced]

J2...

This is what i mean..

The Law was broken, but because of the embarasment it would cause to the hierarchy, it is a "non-issue"...while the Journalist stays in prison.

No questions are asked (nor answered) why Ashcroft refused to recuse himself, for months, from something he was personally involved in..

No questions asked (nor answered) why a personal friend of Bush is now in charge of the investigation, following Comeys leaving for a new job...

Your naivete is the thing that shows here..



You know, the President and all his men are Civil SERVANTS.. Their actions are supposed to be, above approach.

Not just honest, but above the appearance of impropriaty...


Its people's refusal to question, that has let him and his croneys literally get away with murder.

[j2k4]

J2...

This is what i mean..

The Law was broken, but because of the embarasment it would cause to the hierarchy, it is a "non-issue"...while the Journalist stays in prison.

No questions are asked (nor answered) why Ashcroft refused to recuse himself, for months, from something he was personally involved in..

No questions asked (nor answered) why a personal friend of Bush is now in charge of the investigation, following Comeys leaving for a new job...

Your naivete is the thing that shows here..



You know, the President and all his men are Civil SERVANTS.. Their actions are supposed to be, above approach.

Not just honest, but above the appearance of impropriaty...


Its people's refusal to question, that has let him and his croneys literally get away with murder.

Again, you misunderstand, Rat.

Events have transpired and evidence taken that absolves the Whitehouse, and the journalist remains encarcerated because she won't give up her source, which has been determined by those investigating, I'll say again, not to be a Whitehouse functionary.

It turns out that Wilson's wife had not been a CIA operative for 10-15 years, her current livelihood was not a secret, Cheney had nothing to do with Wilson going to Niger, and the CIA itself disavowed the report he produced, and Rove did not make any critical reference to Valerie Plame's work-status.

[Rat Faced]

If these are the Conclusions, then how is there an ongoing investigation?

Surely you are not reporting the events before they happen. :blink: